<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Tuesday Open Thread</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:11:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: dis beyazlatma</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-1091949</link> <dc:creator>dis beyazlatma</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:16:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-1091949</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;dis beyazlatma...&lt;/strong&gt;This is my Excerpt...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>dis beyazlatma&#8230;</strong></p><p>This is my Excerpt&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: film izle</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-1059127</link> <dc:creator>film izle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:33:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-1059127</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;film izle...&lt;/strong&gt;I saw this really good post today....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>film izle&#8230;</strong></p><p>I saw this really good post today&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: property and casualty insurance companies</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-557535</link> <dc:creator>property and casualty insurance companies</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-557535</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;The best website…...&lt;/strong&gt;[...]here are some links to sites that we link to because we think they are worth visiting[...]…...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The best website…&#8230;</strong></p><p>[...]here are some links to sites that we link to because we think they are worth visiting[...]…&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Plantsmantx</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-334161</link> <dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:44:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-334161</guid> <description>&quot;Good faith would&#039;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good. No problem with that.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Damn, it&#039;s pretty presumptious to define your own opinion as what should be someone else&#039;s good faith argument.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good faith would&#39;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good. No problem with that.&#8221;</p><p>Damn, it&#39;s pretty presumptious to define your own opinion as what should be someone else&#39;s good faith argument.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Plantsmantx</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324700</link> <dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:44:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324700</guid> <description>&quot;Good faith would&#039;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good. No problem with that.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Damn, it&#039;s pretty presumptious to define your own opinion as what should be someone else&#039;s good faith argument.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good faith would&#39;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good. No problem with that.&#8221;</p><p>Damn, it&#39;s pretty presumptious to define your own opinion as what should be someone else&#39;s good faith argument.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: storm529</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324588</link> <dc:creator>storm529</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:18:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324588</guid> <description>Amen and Thank you, Allah.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and Thank you, Allah.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LTMidnight</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324390</link> <dc:creator>LTMidnight</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:55:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324390</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/12/21/jane-kill/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/12/21/ja...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That link does the job of explaining my argument for the bill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But you say &quot;kill the bill&quot;, and then what?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/12/21/jane-kill/" rel="nofollow">http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/12/21/ja&#8230;</a></p><p>That link does the job of explaining my argument for the bill.</p><p>But you say &#8220;kill the bill&#8221;, and then what?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324388</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:37:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324388</guid> <description>Mother Surprised, Disappointed To Hear That Obama Didn&#039;t Produce Pony for Child&#039;s Christmas Present</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mother Surprised, Disappointed To Hear That Obama Didn&#39;t Produce Pony for Child&#39;s Christmas Present</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324387</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:31:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324387</guid> <description>*snicker*</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*snicker*</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dthomas_85</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324384</link> <dc:creator>dthomas_85</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:21:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324384</guid> <description>Yea it helps some people, but hurts more. That&#039;s why people are saying Kill the Bill.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea it helps some people, but hurts more. That&#39;s why people are saying Kill the Bill.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dthomas_85</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324381</link> <dc:creator>dthomas_85</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:19:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324381</guid> <description>&quot;A lot of white people would disagree with that especially when Obama opened his mouth about Prof Gates.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please....Obama caved into the outrage white folks and the police  department of Cambridge  had over that and decided to have  a beer  and act all buddy/buddy with a cop that did act &quot;stupidly&quot; on the job. I don&#039;t know many black people  that would get treated so nicely by the president if they acted &quot;stupidly&quot; on the job. Also imagine the message this back peddling by Obama sent to other cops around the country that abuse ordinary blacks on the daily. And I think Obama defending gates was more a class/buppie black thing more than speaking out against racial profiling. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Believe me If Obama stands up for black people on an issue(which he will never intentionally do, he was silent on Sean Bell, Jena 6 and other things) , white folks will stand down in support of him - it&#039;s that simple. This is what I meant when I said that Obama&#039;s political viability is based on supporting white racism and white supremacy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Peace</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lot of white people would disagree with that especially when Obama opened his mouth about Prof Gates.&#8221;</p><p>Please&#8230;.Obama caved into the outrage white folks and the police  department of Cambridge  had over that and decided to have  a beer  and act all buddy/buddy with a cop that did act &#8220;stupidly&#8221; on the job. I don&#39;t know many black people  that would get treated so nicely by the president if they acted &#8220;stupidly&#8221; on the job. Also imagine the message this back peddling by Obama sent to other cops around the country that abuse ordinary blacks on the daily. And I think Obama defending gates was more a class/buppie black thing more than speaking out against racial profiling.</p><p>Believe me If Obama stands up for black people on an issue(which he will never intentionally do, he was silent on Sean Bell, Jena 6 and other things) , white folks will stand down in support of him &#8211; it&#39;s that simple. This is what I meant when I said that Obama&#39;s political viability is based on supporting white racism and white supremacy.</p><p>Peace</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LTMidnight</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324376</link> <dc:creator>LTMidnight</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:08:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324376</guid> <description>But you at least admit it does help people, right?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you at least admit it does help people, right?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dthomas_85</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324374</link> <dc:creator>dthomas_85</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:01:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324374</guid> <description>&quot;Good faith would&#039;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good. No problem with that.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The bad does outweigh the good in the plan, and as a  result the bill is not worth passing.  Everything that was really good in the bill was taken out. The bill has been compromised over and over again and it hasn&#039;t been a give-take negotiation - it&#039;s just been take!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; At first Obama and the Dems supported a robust public option for everyone, but then they reduced it to being eligible to just 10 percent of people under Obama&#039;s revised plan. To further compromise with the depraved elements of the senate,  they gutted the Public option all together, and replaced it with the medicare buy in. As if gutting the Public Option all together wasn&#039;t enough, they then take the medicare buy out of the bill leaving only private insurers to get health coverage from with a few bs tweeks here and there. There&#039;s no choice. There&#039;s no real cost control over rising premiums. And there is a mandate to buy this type of service.  Getting rid of preexisting conditions (even though the insurers can charge more for  sickly and older people) , and giving some subsidies to poor people to  buy this crappy product, doesn&#039;t  offset all the other bad this bill does. for America. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Peace.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good faith would&#39;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good. No problem with that.&#8221;</p><p>The bad does outweigh the good in the plan, and as a  result the bill is not worth passing.  Everything that was really good in the bill was taken out. The bill has been compromised over and over again and it hasn&#39;t been a give-take negotiation &#8211; it&#39;s just been take!</p><p> At first Obama and the Dems supported a robust public option for everyone, but then they reduced it to being eligible to just 10 percent of people under Obama&#39;s revised plan. To further compromise with the depraved elements of the senate,  they gutted the Public option all together, and replaced it with the medicare buy in. As if gutting the Public Option all together wasn&#39;t enough, they then take the medicare buy out of the bill leaving only private insurers to get health coverage from with a few bs tweeks here and there. There&#39;s no choice. There&#39;s no real cost control over rising premiums. And there is a mandate to buy this type of service.  Getting rid of preexisting conditions (even though the insurers can charge more for  sickly and older people) , and giving some subsidies to poor people to  buy this crappy product, doesn&#39;t  offset all the other bad this bill does. for America.</p><p>Peace.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mon_dieu_ishmael</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324364</link> <dc:creator>mon_dieu_ishmael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:22:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324364</guid> <description>I am very happy that the Medicare buy in went down.  Medicare should just be for the 65 and older set.&lt;br&gt;I am hoping that the Medicare trust fund is not used to fund the &quot;reform&quot; bill and that Medicare taxes are increased to cover the costs of the baby boomers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very happy that the Medicare buy in went down.  Medicare should just be for the 65 and older set.<br />I am hoping that the Medicare trust fund is not used to fund the &#8220;reform&#8221; bill and that Medicare taxes are increased to cover the costs of the baby boomers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LTMidnight</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324356</link> <dc:creator>LTMidnight</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324356</guid> <description>Disagreeing with Krugman isn&#039;t the hypocrisy.  The hypocrisy is in the opposition in the current Senate bill itself.  dthomas and people who think like him didn&#039;t start their argument in good faith.  Good faith would&#039;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good.  No problem with that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Instead, most people who oppose the bill, especially kill-billers like Jane Hamsher, only talk about the bad stuff in the bill and ignore the good stuff as if it doesn&#039;t exist.  This is disingenuous at best, and at worst, downright manipulative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone who is passionate about HCR needs to really look deep down into themselves and question exactly what they want to accomplish.  Do they really want to help people or do they just want to stick it to the insurance industry.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagreeing with Krugman isn&#39;t the hypocrisy.  The hypocrisy is in the opposition in the current Senate bill itself.  dthomas and people who think like him didn&#39;t start their argument in good faith.  Good faith would&#39;ve been saying while there are good things in the bill they feel the bad outweighs the good.  No problem with that.</p><p>Instead, most people who oppose the bill, especially kill-billers like Jane Hamsher, only talk about the bad stuff in the bill and ignore the good stuff as if it doesn&#39;t exist.  This is disingenuous at best, and at worst, downright manipulative.</p><p>Everyone who is passionate about HCR needs to really look deep down into themselves and question exactly what they want to accomplish.  Do they really want to help people or do they just want to stick it to the insurance industry.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Guns3000</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324354</link> <dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:01:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324354</guid> <description>&quot;I&#039;ve always believed that Obama goes out of his way to prove to whites that he&#039;s not aligned with blacks on any black specific issue even if it&#039;s needed (actually the entire viability of his presidency is a byproduct of apealing to white racism and capitulating to white supremacy, but that&#039;s another issue).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A lot of white people would disagree with that especially when Obama opened his mouth about Prof Gates.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#39;ve always believed that Obama goes out of his way to prove to whites that he&#39;s not aligned with blacks on any black specific issue even if it&#39;s needed (actually the entire viability of his presidency is a byproduct of apealing to white racism and capitulating to white supremacy, but that&#39;s another issue).&#8221;</p><p>A lot of white people would disagree with that especially when Obama opened his mouth about Prof Gates.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: trose1</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324351</link> <dc:creator>trose1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:54:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324351</guid> <description>April Ryan interviews the President.  Does anyone knows if she has ever interviewed any President&#039;s before PBO?&lt;br&gt;Did anyone read her questions?  &lt;br&gt;Last question:  Do we have any Black Journalists who know  how to ask open ended questions and then do follow up questions???????&lt;br&gt;Another last question:  Do we have any Black journalists who know how to ask specific questions that are relevant?&lt;br&gt;sigh</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>April Ryan interviews the President.  Does anyone knows if she has ever interviewed any President&#39;s before PBO?<br />Did anyone read her questions? <br />Last question:  Do we have any Black Journalists who know  how to ask open ended questions and then do follow up questions???????<br />Another last question:  Do we have any Black journalists who know how to ask specific questions that are relevant?<br />sigh</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LTMidnight</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324348</link> <dc:creator>LTMidnight</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324348</guid> <description>So would you be okay with a triggered public option?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So would you be okay with a triggered public option?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Plantsmantx</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324346</link> <dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:36:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324346</guid> <description>As far as I can tell, dthomas isn&#039;t being hypocritical. He/she just disagrees with Krugman. I don&#039;t see what&#039;s hypocritical about that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, dthomas isn&#39;t being hypocritical. He/she just disagrees with Krugman. I don&#39;t see what&#39;s hypocritical about that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dthomas_85</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/12/tuesday-open-thread-76/comment-page-1/#comment-324344</link> <dc:creator>dthomas_85</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:23:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=18918#comment-324344</guid> <description>Yes he is. I think he caucuses with the Dems... but then again,  so does Lieberman supposedly. I disagree with his decision however.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes he is. I think he caucuses with the Dems&#8230; but then again,  so does Lieberman supposedly. I disagree with his decision however.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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