Comments on: Thursday Open Thread http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:30:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Guns3000http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-335699 Guns3000 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:16:01 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-335699 I hear exactly what you are saying and youhave every right to highlight the things that your President is "capitulating" on. I just the think when they get to the WH it's a whole different ballgame. Every President goes through what Obama is going through right now. The first Bush said,"Read my lips now new taxes." And he raised taxes. And he only had one term. The balancing act once you get elected is a tough one. I hear exactly what you are saying and youhave every right to highlight the things that your President is “capitulating” on. I just the think when they get to the WH it's a whole different ballgame. Every President goes through what Obama is going through right now. The first Bush said,”Read my lips now new taxes.” And he raised taxes. And he only had one term. The balancing act once you get elected is a tough one.

]]> By: Guns3000http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314459 Guns3000 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:16:01 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314459 I hear exactly what you are saying and youhave every right to highlight the things that your President is "capitulating" on. I just the think when they get to the WH it's a whole different ballgame. Every President goes through what Obama is going through right now. The first Bush said,"Read my lips now new taxes." And he raised taxes. And he only had one term. The balancing act once you get elected is a tough one. I hear exactly what you are saying and youhave every right to highlight the things that your President is “capitulating” on. I just the think when they get to the WH it's a whole different ballgame. Every President goes through what Obama is going through right now. The first Bush said,”Read my lips now new taxes.” And he raised taxes. And he only had one term. The balancing act once you get elected is a tough one.

]]> By: dthomas_85http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314397 dthomas_85 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:42:30 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314397 I just hoped that Obama would be a different type of political leader and that he would actually fight for the things he said he believed in - that's all. I never expected him to win all ( or even most) political fights. He just seems to always capitulate to the status quo of politics (which he totally campaigned against) - and that in essence is my true frustration with him. I just hoped that Obama would be a different type of political leader and that he would actually fight for the things he said he believed in – that's all. I never expected him to win all ( or even most) political fights. He just seems to always capitulate to the status quo of politics (which he totally campaigned against) – and that in essence is my true frustration with him.

]]> By: Guns3000http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314386 Guns3000 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:08:06 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314386 dthomas, I read enough of posts to understand your political outlook.<br><br>You do know a Grayson/Kucinich ticket is probably like asking for I don't know......aahhhhh Nadar/Ron Paul ticket. It's never going to happen. It's seems like you have a disconnect between what's possible politically and what you want. And it seems like you hold Obama and other politicians responsible for what is not politically possible. dthomas, I read enough of posts to understand your political outlook.

You do know a Grayson/Kucinich ticket is probably like asking for I don't know……aahhhhh Nadar/Ron Paul ticket. It's never going to happen. It's seems like you have a disconnect between what's possible politically and what you want. And it seems like you hold Obama and other politicians responsible for what is not politically possible.

]]> By: dthomas_85http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314341 dthomas_85 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:53:56 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314341 Obama’s position on health care reform and mandates during the primaries:<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shR4HZzr52o" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shR4HZzr52o</a><br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOG90OCCRw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOG90OCCRw</a><br><br><br>Obama’s position on health care reform and mandates now: “That's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance – just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.<br><br>“But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange. Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don't have insurance. No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5% of Americans would sign up”.<br><br>(The health care bill that was just passed in Congress and that is going through the senate has the mandate provision that Obama now advocates and limits the public option to a small percentage of Americans just like his plan)<br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/us/politics/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/us/politics/1</a>...<br><br>Obama’s position on FISA during the primaries:<br><br>Obama: "It is time to restore oversight and accountability in the FISA program, and this proposal -- with an unprecedented grant of retroactive immunity -- is not the place to start."<br><br>Bill Burton issues a statement, October 24, 2007, reaffirming Obama's position and pledging to support Chris Dodd's filibuster:<br><br>"To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies”<br><br>Campaign statement, December 17, 2007, further elaborating on this point in regards to a particular upcoming Senate vote on Dodd's filibuster:<br><br>“Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies and has cosponsored Senator Dodd's efforts to remove that provision from the FISA bill. Granting such immunity undermines the constitutional protections”<br><br><a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com" rel="nofollow">http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com</a>...<br><br>His position on FISA after the primary and during the general:<br><br>"I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.This was not an easy call for me…..“I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush administration's program of warrantless wiretapping.”<br><br><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/my-p" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/my-p</a>...<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL802U2PdgM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL802U2PdgM</a><br><br><br>Obama’s position on NAFTA during the primaries:<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9gpvI2UfU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9gpvI2UfU</a><br><br>Obama’s perspective on his perspective of NAFTA after primaries:<br><br>"Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy. Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? "Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he answered.<br><br><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortu" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortu</a>...<br><br>Obama’s betrayal of Public Financing:<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFEdFpGF8I&feat" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFEdFpGF8I&feat</a>...<br><br>Grayson/Kucinich 2012<br><br>Peace Obama’s position on health care reform and mandates during the primaries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shR4HZzr52o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOG90OCCRw

Obama’s position on health care reform and mandates now: “That's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance – just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.

“But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange. Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don't have insurance. No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5% of Americans would sign up”.

(The health care bill that was just passed in Congress and that is going through the senate has the mandate provision that Obama now advocates and limits the public option to a small percentage of Americans just like his plan)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/us/politics/1…

Obama’s position on FISA during the primaries:

Obama: “It is time to restore oversight and accountability in the FISA program, and this proposal — with an unprecedented grant of retroactive immunity — is not the place to start.”

Bill Burton issues a statement, October 24, 2007, reaffirming Obama's position and pledging to support Chris Dodd's filibuster:

“To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies”

Campaign statement, December 17, 2007, further elaborating on this point in regards to a particular upcoming Senate vote on Dodd's filibuster:

“Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies and has cosponsored Senator Dodd's efforts to remove that provision from the FISA bill. Granting such immunity undermines the constitutional protections”

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com…

His position on FISA after the primary and during the general:

“I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.This was not an easy call for me…..“I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush administration's program of warrantless wiretapping.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/my-p…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL802U2PdgM

Obama’s position on NAFTA during the primaries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9gpvI2UfU

Obama’s perspective on his perspective of NAFTA after primaries:

“Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified,” he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA “devastating” and “a big mistake,” despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy. Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? “Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself,” he answered.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortu…

Obama’s betrayal of Public Financing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFEdFpGF8I&feat…

Grayson/Kucinich 2012

Peace

]]> By: GreenLadyHerehttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314318 GreenLadyHere Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:09:41 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314318 rikyrah: <i>he didn't want anyone to really research his past stories.</i><br><br>Seeeeeeee- - - as I stated earlier on - - - <br><br>THIS, AGAIN, comes under the HEADIN' - - - <br> <b>DON'T START NUTTIN' - - -WON'T B NUTTIN'!!</b><br><br>"The EX-GOV.", Hannity, Conyers, the writer of this morning's article 'bout PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS, etc. - - - <b> OUGHTA! KNOW! BETTA!!</b><br><br>Dont' jump out there with your PRESENT annnnnnd - -SOMA your PAST; 'cause U gonna <b>ENCOURAGE - - EVEN DARE</b> people 2 go - - <b>LOOKIN' 4 the REST of YOUR PAST!!!!</b><br><br>Just sayin'. . . . . . :>) rikyrah: he didn't want anyone to really research his past stories.

Seeeeeeee- – - as I stated earlier on – - –

THIS, AGAIN, comes under the HEADIN' – - –
DON'T START NUTTIN' – - -WON'T B NUTTIN'!!

“The EX-GOV.”, Hannity, Conyers, the writer of this morning's article 'bout PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS, etc. – - – OUGHTA! KNOW! BETTA!!

Dont' jump out there with your PRESENT annnnnnd – -SOMA your PAST; 'cause U gonna ENCOURAGE – - EVEN DARE people 2 go – - LOOKIN' 4 the REST of YOUR PAST!!!!

Just sayin'. . . . . . :>)

]]> By: Guns3000http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314315 Guns3000 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:01:13 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314315 Criticizing ANYONE with a closet of full of skeletons is not appropriate. If Conyers felt so strongly about it why didn't he vote against it? Atleast Davis had the balls to vote how he wanted. Criticizing ANYONE with a closet of full of skeletons is not appropriate. If Conyers felt so strongly about it why didn't he vote against it? Atleast Davis had the balls to vote how he wanted.

]]> By: AM2k9http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314308 AM2k9 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:46:48 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314308 of course he does! Criticism of the President arent allowed. of course he does! Criticism of the President arent allowed.

]]> By: rikyrahhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314262 rikyrah Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:16:49 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314262 I don't think we're disagreeing. When I said 'sole', I guess I used the wrong word, but I meant the ONLY female anchor. No sharing. No CO anything. I want to see a Robin Roberts sitting on that couch as the ONLY female anchor on GMA. The big one. She'll be sitting there next to Georgie Porgie, but she'll be the ONLY female anchor. She will be his equal. I don't think we're disagreeing. When I said 'sole', I guess I used the wrong word, but I meant the ONLY female anchor. No sharing. No CO anything. I want to see a Robin Roberts sitting on that couch as the ONLY female anchor on GMA. The big one. She'll be sitting there next to Georgie Porgie, but she'll be the ONLY female anchor. She will be his equal.

]]> By: caribgirlhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314253 caribgirl Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:03:35 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314253 You would think these guys that have been in congress for so many years would recognize that you can't keep waiting for the right bill. Ted Kennedy lived to regret not making a deal with Nixon in the 60's, thinking single payer was on the horizon. You would think these guys that have been in congress for so many years would recognize that you can't keep waiting for the right bill. Ted Kennedy lived to regret not making a deal with Nixon in the 60's, thinking single payer was on the horizon.

]]> By: Admiral_Komackhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314252 Admiral_Komack Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:45:14 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314252 Crabs In A Barrel. Crabs In A Barrel.

]]> By: Admiral_Komackhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314251 Admiral_Komack Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:42:44 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314251 Rep. John Conyers needs to shut the fuck up. Rep. John Conyers needs to shut the fuck up.

]]> By: Sepiahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314250 Sepia Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:37:50 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314250 The format of the morning talk shows has always been two co-anchors (usually one male, one female), one news reader and one weather person. There has never been an instance when ONE person -- black or white, male or female -- has been the sole anchor of a morning show. The format of the morning talk shows has always been two co-anchors (usually one male, one female), one news reader and one weather person. There has never been an instance when ONE person — black or white, male or female — has been the sole anchor of a morning show.

]]> By: Muzikal203http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314249 Muzikal203 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:30:41 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314249 He was on CSI Miami this week :o) He was on CSI Miami this week :o)

]]> By: RobMhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314243 RobM Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:21:29 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314243 "Reid’s plan would expand coverage to 94 percent of Americans through a government-run health insurance option — allowing states to opt out — and other features,...."<br><br>This is not a pubic option, when one it does not set national standards and two, a state can opt out. “Reid’s plan would expand coverage to 94 percent of Americans through a government-run health insurance option — allowing states to opt out — and other features,….”

This is not a pubic option, when one it does not set national standards and two, a state can opt out.

]]> By: rikyrahhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314241 rikyrah Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:15:47 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314241 I mean the ONLY female anchor. Just like Georgie Porgie would be the ONLY male anchor. I mean the ONLY female anchor. Just like Georgie Porgie would be the ONLY male anchor.

]]> By: Guns3000http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314237 Guns3000 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:54:06 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314237 What the hell? Speechless What the hell? Speechless

]]> By: Sepiahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314235 Sepia Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:46:07 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314235 In the words of Lil' John... YEEEEAH! In the words of Lil' John… YEEEEAH!

]]> By: Sepiahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314233 Sepia Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:37:49 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314233 Solo spot? I don't understand. Solo spot? I don't understand.

]]> By: rikyrahhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/thursday-open-thread-70/comment-page-1/#comment-314229 rikyrah Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:20:53 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17233#comment-314229 Henry....yummmm....oh my....and, he knows the soap grind, so it would be nothing new to him...but, Malcolm was Y&R's ' sexual chocolate'. .....that's what he needs to continue to be..BAD CASTING DECISION. Henry….yummmm….oh my….and, he knows the soap grind, so it would be nothing new to him…but, Malcolm was Y&R's ' sexual chocolate'. …..that's what he needs to continue to be..BAD CASTING DECISION.

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