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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/right-wing-extremists-should-be-barred-from-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-335898</link>
		<dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not an either/or situation. I&#039;m almost always suspicious of anyone who urges us to &quot;shift the focus&quot;, rather than widening it. Besides, when I mentioned their common goal, I wasn&#039;t implying that their ultimate goal is to kill black people. To the extent they want to see that happen, it&#039;s just a means to an end, that end being the re-establishment of Jim Crow or something like it on a national scale. No, they don&#039;t want us to go away- that wouldn&#039;t be much fun for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not an either/or situation. I&#39;m almost always suspicious of anyone who urges us to &#8220;shift the focus&#8221;, rather than widening it. Besides, when I mentioned their common goal, I wasn&#39;t implying that their ultimate goal is to kill black people. To the extent they want to see that happen, it&#39;s just a means to an end, that end being the re-establishment of Jim Crow or something like it on a national scale. No, they don&#39;t want us to go away- that wouldn&#39;t be much fun for them.</p>
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		<title>By: vdrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>vdrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The effects of blacks killing other blacks make the racialist right pale in comparison. Who&#039;s riding through the night streets killing blacks now? The Klan?</description>
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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Hale.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, all of them don&#039;t want to establish a separate white state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;None of them have reacted with a reign of terror...yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as putting on a shirt and tie, David Duke was the first to do that, and he is certainly part of the &quot;racialist&quot; movement, just like Taylor. Yeah, I know he&#039;s on the &quot;we still need to hate Jews&quot; side of the rift in that movement, but he&#039;s still part of it. Taylor,  et al may not want to get their own hands dirty with openly espousing violence, but they certainly sympathize with those who do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point is, it doesn&#039;t matter if they happen to be Klansmen, &quot;scientific racists&quot;, or extreme &quot;libertarians&quot;, the effect of them seeing their goals come to fruition will have the same basic effect on black people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Hale.</p>
<p>And, all of them don&#39;t want to establish a separate white state.</p>
<p>None of them have reacted with a reign of terror&#8230;yet.</p>
<p>As far as putting on a shirt and tie, David Duke was the first to do that, and he is certainly part of the &#8220;racialist&#8221; movement, just like Taylor. Yeah, I know he&#39;s on the &#8220;we still need to hate Jews&#8221; side of the rift in that movement, but he&#39;s still part of it. Taylor,  et al may not want to get their own hands dirty with openly espousing violence, but they certainly sympathize with those who do.</p>
<p>The point is, it doesn&#39;t matter if they happen to be Klansmen, &#8220;scientific racists&#8221;, or extreme &#8220;libertarians&#8221;, the effect of them seeing their goals come to fruition will have the same basic effect on black people.</p>
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		<title>By: khrish</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/right-wing-extremists-should-be-barred-from-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-335890</link>
		<dc:creator>khrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing about all the red flags on this man. When am I going to hear what things were done to this man to make him feel that he needed to openly show his contempt for our military. With all the nasty and scary things I hear from everyday citizens and especially the &quot;so called Christian Right about muslins in general, and the things I&#039;ve read about many in the military that are spurred to attack and kill abroad to save Christanity, I am convinced that this American citizen didn&#039;t just, all of a sudden, hate to go to war in Afghan or Iraq. There are some underlying causes for his actions. Although I know he must be punished for what he has done, I would like to believe that we would know the real case behind this madness. However with the military, I don&#039;t think we will ever be told the whole truth. I also wonder about the government take over of these mosques and the building started by the Shah. Why has it all happened immediately after this horrible thing at Fort Hood. Is this some kind of retaliation against all Muslins in America. That worries me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing about all the red flags on this man. When am I going to hear what things were done to this man to make him feel that he needed to openly show his contempt for our military. With all the nasty and scary things I hear from everyday citizens and especially the &#8220;so called Christian Right about muslins in general, and the things I&#39;ve read about many in the military that are spurred to attack and kill abroad to save Christanity, I am convinced that this American citizen didn&#39;t just, all of a sudden, hate to go to war in Afghan or Iraq. There are some underlying causes for his actions. Although I know he must be punished for what he has done, I would like to believe that we would know the real case behind this madness. However with the military, I don&#39;t think we will ever be told the whole truth. I also wonder about the government take over of these mosques and the building started by the Shah. Why has it all happened immediately after this horrible thing at Fort Hood. Is this some kind of retaliation against all Muslins in America. That worries me.</p>
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		<title>By: khrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>khrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ain&#039;t it the truth!</description>
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		<title>By: Guns3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Exactly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly</p>
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		<title>By: Guns3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thing regarding gang activity in the military.  That&#039;s a recruitment problem.  They need to do a better job weeding out gang members when they come to the recruiter&#039;s office.  A lot of these recruiters are overzealous and trying to get the &quot;numbers&quot;.  And their superiors are part of the problem also because the senior leadership really slams the recruiters if they don&#039;t meet the numbers.  Before the economic collapse the military especially the Army had a hard time recruiting for obvious reasons.  The military was providing waivers for everything to get people to enlist especially for prior arrests, felonies included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing regarding gang activity in the military.  That&#39;s a recruitment problem.  They need to do a better job weeding out gang members when they come to the recruiter&#39;s office.  A lot of these recruiters are overzealous and trying to get the &#8220;numbers&#8221;.  And their superiors are part of the problem also because the senior leadership really slams the recruiters if they don&#39;t meet the numbers.  Before the economic collapse the military especially the Army had a hard time recruiting for obvious reasons.  The military was providing waivers for everything to get people to enlist especially for prior arrests, felonies included.</p>
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		<title>By: Guns3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Monie.  I was in the military and I&#039;m rather sensitive to people scapegoating the military when a couple idiots have irrational behavior.  There was a post on JJP a few days ago and it was talking about how Hassan, Muhammaed and McVeigh had a common thread........The Army.    It kind of pissed me off and I wrote a pretty scathing post and I decided not to publish it because when some people write about the commonalities with crime and the military I don&#039;t think they are trying to scathe the military.  They are just trying to point out when a person goes through &quot;militarized&quot; training and part of the training is dehumanizing the unintended effect is for them to show violent behavior in an environment where it is inappropriate.  When those people leave the battlefield some of them have a hard time &quot;turning off the switch&quot;.  We all know the vast majority of crime is not perpetrated by members of the military.  And honestly I feel like some people use their military training as an excuse.  I served in Iraq and I know hundreds of people that have and are productive law-abiding citizens.  Hassan, McVeigh and Muhammed had a slew of others issues and scapegoating the Army because a few nutbags go apeshit kind of pisses me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Monie.  I was in the military and I&#39;m rather sensitive to people scapegoating the military when a couple idiots have irrational behavior.  There was a post on JJP a few days ago and it was talking about how Hassan, Muhammaed and McVeigh had a common thread&#8230;&#8230;..The Army.    It kind of pissed me off and I wrote a pretty scathing post and I decided not to publish it because when some people write about the commonalities with crime and the military I don&#39;t think they are trying to scathe the military.  They are just trying to point out when a person goes through &#8220;militarized&#8221; training and part of the training is dehumanizing the unintended effect is for them to show violent behavior in an environment where it is inappropriate.  When those people leave the battlefield some of them have a hard time &#8220;turning off the switch&#8221;.  We all know the vast majority of crime is not perpetrated by members of the military.  And honestly I feel like some people use their military training as an excuse.  I served in Iraq and I know hundreds of people that have and are productive law-abiding citizens.  Hassan, McVeigh and Muhammed had a slew of others issues and scapegoating the Army because a few nutbags go apeshit kind of pisses me off.</p>
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		<title>By: morphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Guns pointed out in an earlier exchange, accepting enrolment in the military means acknowledging that its mission is to kill.  Gang bangers are ideal for this mission and the reason hardcore prisoners have been used.  In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;There is no other society like the military family, their sacrifices are far greater&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that we have all of that out of the way. If an individuals&#039;, in some instances, social inhibitor must be stripped to allow them to accept social deviate behavior of killing, what exactly keep all of the other social imperatives intact?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, How does the military turn on just the killing part of a person&#039;s brain for its use only? And, a better question, how do they turn it off?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Believe me, there are library shelves full of books that addresses what happens after turning on a soldier&#039;s aggression.  One of the &quot;problems&quot; after turning on the aggression is rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Guns pointed out in an earlier exchange, accepting enrolment in the military means acknowledging that its mission is to kill.  Gang bangers are ideal for this mission and the reason hardcore prisoners have been used.  In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does.  </p>
<p><b>There is no other society like the military family, their sacrifices are far greater</b>.</p>
<p>Now that we have all of that out of the way. If an individuals&#39;, in some instances, social inhibitor must be stripped to allow them to accept social deviate behavior of killing, what exactly keep all of the other social imperatives intact?</p>
<p>In other words, How does the military turn on just the killing part of a person&#39;s brain for its use only? And, a better question, how do they turn it off?  </p>
<p>Believe me, there are library shelves full of books that addresses what happens after turning on a soldier&#39;s aggression.  One of the &#8220;problems&#8221; after turning on the aggression is rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not an either/or situation. I&#039;m almost always suspicious of anyone who urgers us to &quot;shift the focus&quot;, rather than widening it. Besides, when I mentioned their common goal, I wasn&#039;t implying that their ultimate goal is to kill black people. To the extent they want to see that happen, it&#039;s just a means to an end, that end being the re-establishment of Jim Crow or something like it on a national scale. No, they don&#039;t want us to go away- that wouldn&#039;t be much fun for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not an either/or situation. I&#39;m almost always suspicious of anyone who urgers us to &#8220;shift the focus&#8221;, rather than widening it. Besides, when I mentioned their common goal, I wasn&#39;t implying that their ultimate goal is to kill black people. To the extent they want to see that happen, it&#39;s just a means to an end, that end being the re-establishment of Jim Crow or something like it on a national scale. No, they don&#39;t want us to go away- that wouldn&#39;t be much fun for them.</p>
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		<title>By: vdrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>vdrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The effects of blacks killing other blacks make the racialist right pale in comparison. Who&#039;s riding through the night streets killing blacks now? The Klan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The effects of blacks killing other blacks make the racialist right pale in comparison. Who&#39;s riding through the night streets killing blacks now? The Klan?</p>
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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Hale.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, all of them don&#039;t want to establish a separate white state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;None of them have reacted with a reign of terror...yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as putting on a shirt and tie, David Duke was the first to do that, and he is certainly part of the &quot;racialist&quot; movement, just like Taylor. Yeah, I know he&#039;s on the &quot;we still need to hate Jews&quot; side of the rift in that movement, but he&#039;s still part of it. Taylor,  et al may not want to get their own hands dirty with openly espousing violence, but they certainly sympathize with those who do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point is, it doesn&#039;t matter if they happen to be Klansmen, &quot;scientific racists&quot;, or extreme &quot;libertarians&quot;, the effect of them seeing their goals come to fruition will have the same basic effect on black people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Hale.</p>
<p>And, all of them don&#39;t want to establish a separate white state.</p>
<p>None of them have reacted with a reign of terror&#8230;yet.</p>
<p>As far as putting on a shirt and tie, David Duke was the first to do that, and he is certainly part of the &#8220;racialist&#8221; movement, just like Taylor. Yeah, I know he&#39;s on the &#8220;we still need to hate Jews&#8221; side of the rift in that movement, but he&#39;s still part of it. Taylor,  et al may not want to get their own hands dirty with openly espousing violence, but they certainly sympathize with those who do.</p>
<p>The point is, it doesn&#39;t matter if they happen to be Klansmen, &#8220;scientific racists&#8221;, or extreme &#8220;libertarians&#8221;, the effect of them seeing their goals come to fruition will have the same basic effect on black people.</p>
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		<title>By: khrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>khrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing about all the red flags on this man. When am I going to hear what things were done to this man to make him feel that he needed to openly show his contempt for our military. With all the nasty and scary things I hear from everyday citizens and especially the &quot;so called Christian Right about muslins in general, and the things I&#039;ve read about many in the military that are spurred to attack and kill abroad to save Christanity, I am convinced that this American citizen didn&#039;t just, all of a sudden, hate to go to war in Afghan or Iraq. There are some underlying causes for his actions. Although I know he must be punished for what he has done, I would like to believe that we would know the real case behind this madness. However with the military, I don&#039;t think we will ever be told the whole truth. I also wonder about the government take over of these mosques and the building started by the Shah. Why has it all happened immediately after this horrible thing at Fort Hood. Is this some kind of retaliation against all Muslins in America. That worries me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing about all the red flags on this man. When am I going to hear what things were done to this man to make him feel that he needed to openly show his contempt for our military. With all the nasty and scary things I hear from everyday citizens and especially the &#8220;so called Christian Right about muslins in general, and the things I&#39;ve read about many in the military that are spurred to attack and kill abroad to save Christanity, I am convinced that this American citizen didn&#39;t just, all of a sudden, hate to go to war in Afghan or Iraq. There are some underlying causes for his actions. Although I know he must be punished for what he has done, I would like to believe that we would know the real case behind this madness. However with the military, I don&#39;t think we will ever be told the whole truth. I also wonder about the government take over of these mosques and the building started by the Shah. Why has it all happened immediately after this horrible thing at Fort Hood. Is this some kind of retaliation against all Muslins in America. That worries me.</p>
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		<title>By: khrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>khrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ain&#039;t it the truth!</description>
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		<title>By: morphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of my posts, recognize that during the past eight years thousands of returning soldiers with PTSD, TBI, drug addictions, etc. received dishorable discharges and were dropped back into their communities without access to benefit of health care. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The California Nurses Assoc have written and petition extenstively on this issue to help military families.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Military suicides are at epidemic levels and no one gives a crap.  Everyone is PRETENDING that soldiers are human robots.  When the soldiers rage is not turned inwards (suicides) , then the  community pays the price.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is from just ONE post, FT Carson:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ptsdsupport.net/crime_linked_to_combat_stress.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crime Linked To combat stress&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of it is small-time stuff. But some of the allegations against Soldiers in the past three years have been serious. This month, police said a crime ring of Fort Carson Iraq war veterans was responsible for the deaths of two GIs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The volume of military-related crime off-post is beginning to tax civilian law enforcement authorities. Felony El Paso County jail bookings for service members have jumped from 295 in 2005 to 471 so far this year. During that time, the number of Soldiers assigned to the post stayed about the same, around 17,500.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It doesn&#039;t take a study to know the potential for problems is going to be there,&quot; said Colorado Springs police Sgt. Jeff Jensen, whose agency is girding for issues with nearly 4,000 Soldiers due back in the next three weeks. &quot;It&#039;s huge. It affects us from all standpoints. The workload alone is increasing as the population increases.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Commanders at Fort Carson acknowledge that Soldiers coming home from a year in combat often have difficulty fitting into the society they went to Iraq or Afghanistan to defend.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s hard to turn off some of the reactions that will save your life in combat, but which will lead to grief in a bar, said Nate Nugin, who oversees Fort Carson training programs for returning Soldiers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It&#039;s just about understanding they are back and what was necessary for them to do in the theater of operations doesn&#039;t translate well back here,&quot; Nugin said as he oversaw five days of mandatory classes for Soldiers who returned last week from Iraq with Fort Carson&#039;s 2nd Brigade Combat Team.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Army has experienced increases in some types of crime on post that aren&#039;t included in El Paso County statistics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last year, for instance, reports of thefts and domestic violence climbed over past years. This year, commanders point to some promising statistics, including a decline in drunken driving arrests on post to 200 this year -- the lowest level since 2004.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The prison of Iraq&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Experts say the war can fundamentally change the Soldiers sent to fight it. The El Paso County Public Defender&#039;s Office this year began tracking the number of Soldiers it serves and found a disturbing trend among those accused of serious crimes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;They did not have drug addictions before&quot; the war, said Deputy Public Defender Sheilagh McAteer, who has been seeing more uniforms in her office in recent years. &quot;They had no criminal histories before the war.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fort Carson commanders say they consistently remind returning Soldiers that bad decisions are easy to make.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;There&#039;s 14 months of testosterone built up,&quot; said Capt. Tom Hanlon, a company commander in the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, recently back from Ramadi, Iraq.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Troops in Iraq live in the most controlled of environments outside the prison system. Except during combat -- when Soldiers must make splitsecond, life-or-death decisions -- they have few choices to make. Everything from how they dress to what they eat to how they can spend their free time is decided by the Army, for a year or more.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;You might be able to draw a correlation between someone coming out of prison,&quot; said Colorado Springs police Cmdr. Brian Grady. &quot;We need to help them with re-entry and give them access to the services available in this community.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of my posts, recognize that during the past eight years thousands of returning soldiers with PTSD, TBI, drug addictions, etc. received dishorable discharges and were dropped back into their communities without access to benefit of health care. </p>
<p>The California Nurses Assoc have written and petition extenstively on this issue to help military families.  </p>
<p>Military suicides are at epidemic levels and no one gives a crap.  Everyone is PRETENDING that soldiers are human robots.  When the soldiers rage is not turned inwards (suicides) , then the  community pays the price.</p>
<p>This is from just ONE post, FT Carson:<br />
<blockquote><b><a href="http://www.ptsdsupport.net/crime_linked_to_combat_stress.html" rel="nofollow">Crime Linked To combat stress</a></b></p>
<p>Most of it is small-time stuff. But some of the allegations against Soldiers in the past three years have been serious. This month, police said a crime ring of Fort Carson Iraq war veterans was responsible for the deaths of two GIs.</p>
<p>The volume of military-related crime off-post is beginning to tax civilian law enforcement authorities. Felony El Paso County jail bookings for service members have jumped from 295 in 2005 to 471 so far this year. During that time, the number of Soldiers assigned to the post stayed about the same, around 17,500.</p>
<p>&#8220;It doesn&#39;t take a study to know the potential for problems is going to be there,&#8221; said Colorado Springs police Sgt. Jeff Jensen, whose agency is girding for issues with nearly 4,000 Soldiers due back in the next three weeks. &#8220;It&#39;s huge. It affects us from all standpoints. The workload alone is increasing as the population increases.&#8221;</p>
<p>Commanders at Fort Carson acknowledge that Soldiers coming home from a year in combat often have difficulty fitting into the society they went to Iraq or Afghanistan to defend.</p>
<p>It&#39;s hard to turn off some of the reactions that will save your life in combat, but which will lead to grief in a bar, said Nate Nugin, who oversees Fort Carson training programs for returning Soldiers.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#39;s just about understanding they are back and what was necessary for them to do in the theater of operations doesn&#39;t translate well back here,&#8221; Nugin said as he oversaw five days of mandatory classes for Soldiers who returned last week from Iraq with Fort Carson&#39;s 2nd Brigade Combat Team.</p>
<p>The Army has experienced increases in some types of crime on post that aren&#39;t included in El Paso County statistics.</p>
<p>Last year, for instance, reports of thefts and domestic violence climbed over past years. This year, commanders point to some promising statistics, including a decline in drunken driving arrests on post to 200 this year &#8212; the lowest level since 2004.</p>
<p>The prison of Iraq</p>
<p>Experts say the war can fundamentally change the Soldiers sent to fight it. The El Paso County Public Defender&#39;s Office this year began tracking the number of Soldiers it serves and found a disturbing trend among those accused of serious crimes.</p>
<p>&#8220;They did not have drug addictions before&#8221; the war, said Deputy Public Defender Sheilagh McAteer, who has been seeing more uniforms in her office in recent years. &#8220;They had no criminal histories before the war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fort Carson commanders say they consistently remind returning Soldiers that bad decisions are easy to make.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#39;s 14 months of testosterone built up,&#8221; said Capt. Tom Hanlon, a company commander in the 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, recently back from Ramadi, Iraq.</p>
<p>Troops in Iraq live in the most controlled of environments outside the prison system. Except during combat &#8212; when Soldiers must make splitsecond, life-or-death decisions &#8212; they have few choices to make. Everything from how they dress to what they eat to how they can spend their free time is decided by the Army, for a year or more.</p>
<p>&#8220;You might be able to draw a correlation between someone coming out of prison,&#8221; said Colorado Springs police Cmdr. Brian Grady. &#8220;We need to help them with re-entry and give them access to the services available in this community.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Guns3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Exactly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly</p>
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		<title>By: Guns3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thing regarding gang activity in the military.  That&#039;s a recruitment problem.  They need to do a better job weeding out gang members when they come to the recruiter&#039;s office.  A lot of these recruiters are overzealous and trying to get the &quot;numbers&quot;.  And their superiors are part of the problem also because the senior leadership really slams the recruiters if they don&#039;t meet the numbers.  Before the economic collapse the military especially the Army had a hard time recruiting for obvious reasons.  The military was providing waivers for everything to get people to enlist especially for prior arrests, felonies included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing regarding gang activity in the military.  That&#39;s a recruitment problem.  They need to do a better job weeding out gang members when they come to the recruiter&#39;s office.  A lot of these recruiters are overzealous and trying to get the &#8220;numbers&#8221;.  And their superiors are part of the problem also because the senior leadership really slams the recruiters if they don&#39;t meet the numbers.  Before the economic collapse the military especially the Army had a hard time recruiting for obvious reasons.  The military was providing waivers for everything to get people to enlist especially for prior arrests, felonies included.</p>
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		<title>By: Guns3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guns3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Monie.  I was in the military and I&#039;m rather sensitive to people scapegoating the military when a couple idiots have irrational behavior.  There was a post on JJP a few days ago and it was talking about how Hassan, Muhammaed and McVeigh had a common thread........The Army.    It kind of pissed me off and I wrote a pretty scathing post and I decided not to publish it because when some people write about the commonalities with crime and the military I don&#039;t think they are trying to scathe the military.  They are just trying to point out when a person goes through &quot;militarized&quot; training and part of the training is dehumanizing the unintended effect is for them to show violent behavior in an environment where it is inappropriate.  When those people leave the battlefield some of them have a hard time &quot;turning off the switch&quot;.  We all know the vast majority of crime is not perpetrated by members of the military.  And honestly I feel like some people use their military training as an excuse.  I served in Iraq and I know hundreds of people that have and are productive law-abiding citizens.  Hassan, McVeigh and Muhammed had a slew of others issues and scapegoating the Army because a few nutbags go apeshit kind of pisses me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Monie.  I was in the military and I&#39;m rather sensitive to people scapegoating the military when a couple idiots have irrational behavior.  There was a post on JJP a few days ago and it was talking about how Hassan, Muhammaed and McVeigh had a common thread&#8230;&#8230;..The Army.    It kind of pissed me off and I wrote a pretty scathing post and I decided not to publish it because when some people write about the commonalities with crime and the military I don&#39;t think they are trying to scathe the military.  They are just trying to point out when a person goes through &#8220;militarized&#8221; training and part of the training is dehumanizing the unintended effect is for them to show violent behavior in an environment where it is inappropriate.  When those people leave the battlefield some of them have a hard time &#8220;turning off the switch&#8221;.  We all know the vast majority of crime is not perpetrated by members of the military.  And honestly I feel like some people use their military training as an excuse.  I served in Iraq and I know hundreds of people that have and are productive law-abiding citizens.  Hassan, McVeigh and Muhammed had a slew of others issues and scapegoating the Army because a few nutbags go apeshit kind of pisses me off.</p>
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		<title>By: morphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Guns pointed out in an earlier exchange, accepting enrolment in the military means acknowledging that its mission is to kill.  Gang bangers are ideal for this mission and the reason hardcore prisoners have been used.  In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;There is no other society like the military family, their sacrifices are far greater&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that we have all of that out of the way. If an individuals&#039;, in some instances, social inhibitor must be stripped to allow them to accept social deviate behavior of killing, what exactly keep all of the other social imperatives intact?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, How does the military turn on just the killing part of a person&#039;s brain for its use only? And, a better question, how do they turn it off?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Believe me, there are library shelves full of books that addresses what happens after turning on a soldier&#039;s aggression.  One of the &quot;problems&quot; after turning on the aggression is rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Guns pointed out in an earlier exchange, accepting enrolment in the military means acknowledging that its mission is to kill.  Gang bangers are ideal for this mission and the reason hardcore prisoners have been used.  In addition, no other segment in this society surrenders their constitutional rights (slavery) as the solider does.  </p>
<p><b>There is no other society like the military family, their sacrifices are far greater</b>.</p>
<p>Now that we have all of that out of the way. If an individuals&#39;, in some instances, social inhibitor must be stripped to allow them to accept social deviate behavior of killing, what exactly keep all of the other social imperatives intact?</p>
<p>In other words, How does the military turn on just the killing part of a person&#39;s brain for its use only? And, a better question, how do they turn it off?  </p>
<p>Believe me, there are library shelves full of books that addresses what happens after turning on a soldier&#39;s aggression.  One of the &#8220;problems&#8221; after turning on the aggression is rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Monie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That could very well be the case Guns.  I just remember that when my husband was an NCO, and had to counsel other young soldiers, gang activity was not one of the main issues...but yes there was some other delinquency issues, but many of those issues were often NOT that different than whtat young collegiates did at that same age, I mean  the average Private is what 18, 19 years old (college-aged).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess I take issue with articles that blast things like &quot;Does the military create rapist, and murderers, etc.&quot;   I feel when we live in a nation that in 2004 it was calculated that 63 out of every 100,000 people were raped than  this is a SOCIETAL issue..rape, violence and murder is a pathology that plagues America period...and can be magnified in military life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That could very well be the case Guns.  I just remember that when my husband was an NCO, and had to counsel other young soldiers, gang activity was not one of the main issues&#8230;but yes there was some other delinquency issues, but many of those issues were often NOT that different than whtat young collegiates did at that same age, I mean  the average Private is what 18, 19 years old (college-aged).</p>
<p>I guess I take issue with articles that blast things like &#8220;Does the military create rapist, and murderers, etc.&#8221;   I feel when we live in a nation that in 2004 it was calculated that 63 out of every 100,000 people were raped than  this is a SOCIETAL issue..rape, violence and murder is a pathology that plagues America period&#8230;and can be magnified in military life.</p>
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