<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Monday Open Thread</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:11:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: African mango plus</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-556196</link> <dc:creator>African mango plus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:07:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-556196</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;not that im aware of. You could consider emailing the author of the wordpress theme and ask if they do live journal stuff as well.&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;see more at SOLUTION POINT INDIA&quot;...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;not that im aware of. You could consider emailing the author of the wordpress theme and ask if they do live journal stuff as well.&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p><p>&#8220;see more at SOLUTION POINT INDIA&#8221;&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Conveyancing Solicitors</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-535769</link> <dc:creator>Conveyancing Solicitors</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 01:41:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-535769</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Conveyancing Solicitor...&lt;/strong&gt;[...]here are some links to sites that we link to because we think they are worth visiting[...]...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Conveyancing Solicitor&#8230;</strong></p><p>[...]here are some links to sites that we link to because we think they are worth visiting[...]&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-331853</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:48:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-331853</guid> <description>I heard about that.  82 grand?  82 fuckin&#039; grand?  Are they serious?  And a 2 year probation?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bullshit.  Serena shoulda REALLY made it worth her while and kicked that line judge&#039;s ass for good measure.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about that.  82 grand?  82 fuckin&#39; grand?  Are they serious?  And a 2 year probation?</p><p>Bullshit.  Serena shoulda REALLY made it worth her while and kicked that line judge&#39;s ass for good measure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-331851</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:45:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-331851</guid> <description>Blah, blah, blah, blah.  Same note, different day.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah, blah.  Same note, different day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dthomas_85</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-331850</link> <dc:creator>dthomas_85</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-331850</guid> <description>&quot;Evidently you didn&#039;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I heard every word and never said that he was breaking his campaign promise by expanding our presence in Afghanistan. But the the facts on the ground have changed since the campaign, and most of the so called terrorist are no longer in Afghanistan- they are in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and maybe Iran. Also, I agree with Rona Paul and others when they say that the occupation is fueling the terrorism and not curtailing the terrorism. Muslims don&#039;t want American military bases on the Arabian Peninsula any more than Americans want Muslim mosque next to the Washington monument - would Americans peacefully accept a foreign occupier on our soil or next to historical areas in our country?  The Karzai government is corrupt and working with it is an exercise in futility and stupidity. The Soviets destroyed themselves trying to occupy and control Afghanistan, does history mean nothing to our elected leaders?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012?&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There were good experienced  principled candidates in 2008 like Kucinich and Richardson on the Democratic side and Ron Paul on the Republican side. There are always a couple good candidates in every election, but the American people are usually too  uninformed ( and sometimes just too stupid)  and most often go with candidates who can swindle them with slick marketing and empty promises and slogans like  &quot;Change you can believe in&quot; or &quot;Yes we Can&quot;.  Apparently Obama meant &quot;yes we can&quot; escalate mindless wars, bank bailouts, privatized health care and the withholding of prisoners without trial when he campaigned, lol.  Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinch would be worthy of supporting in 2012, but would others be smart enough to support them?   Probably not.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Grown ups&quot; - please, many progressive are the only ones who are behaving like grown ups by refusing to accept political half measures like a mandate to buy private health care and calling it &quot;reform&quot;, bank bailouts for morally and financially bankrupt companies or depraved wars overseas.  Progressives were the ones who were against the Iraq war from the start , when the rest of the country was falling for Bush&#039;s war propaganda and patriotism campaign. Also, the fight against these things are  going on all the time. This is why organizations like &lt;a href=&quot;http://moveon.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;moveon.org&lt;/a&gt; wanted to run ads against Blue DOG Democrats for their political cock blocking on health care reform. It&#039;s also why people like Howard Dean is calling the the current health care bill out for it&#039;s obvious deficiencies in helping the American people. &quot;The Word Can&#039;t Wait&quot; and &quot;Code Pink&quot; are incessantly protesting against the warmongering of our Congress, Senate  and President- the mainstream media doesn&#039;t cover these things however.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said, there are people who are doing this all the time - it&#039;s not covered by the mainstream media . There have been massive protest outside the banking and financial institutions because of executive pay and bailouts.  Protesters have gotten arrested for  sit ins at Joe Lieberman&#039;s office the last couple of weeks. Students in California have been protesting the tuition hikes of the Public Universities in the state as result of the state&#039;s mismanagement of public funds - there are many other examples.  Try watching &lt;a href=&quot;http://Democracynow.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democracynow.org&lt;/a&gt; to see coverage of this type of stuff opposed to media outlets like CNN, ABC and the rest of the corporate crew.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it safer and easier to praise, support and make excuses and downright idolize Obama for every half measure  he takes while in office? I personally prefer supporting the issues over a person. Obama sending 30,000- 40,000 more troops to the Middle East with no fiscal restrictions while 45,000 people a year continue to die from lack of health care because of fiscal restrictions on health reform spending (remember,Obama wants a &quot;deficit neutral&quot; health care bill, but NO restrictions on war spending) seems to be bit of a half measure, don&#039;t you think?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Utopian socialists in training?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cute shallow insult. But wanting decent health care for Americans, and an end to pointless wars and bank bailouts is neither &quot;Utopian&quot; nor &quot;Socialist&quot;: It&#039;s humane and just. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Peace.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Evidently you didn&#39;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan.&#8221;</p><p>I heard every word and never said that he was breaking his campaign promise by expanding our presence in Afghanistan. But the the facts on the ground have changed since the campaign, and most of the so called terrorist are no longer in Afghanistan- they are in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and maybe Iran. Also, I agree with Rona Paul and others when they say that the occupation is fueling the terrorism and not curtailing the terrorism. Muslims don&#39;t want American military bases on the Arabian Peninsula any more than Americans want Muslim mosque next to the Washington monument &#8211; would Americans peacefully accept a foreign occupier on our soil or next to historical areas in our country?  The Karzai government is corrupt and working with it is an exercise in futility and stupidity. The Soviets destroyed themselves trying to occupy and control Afghanistan, does history mean nothing to our elected leaders?</p><p>&#8220;And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012?&#8221;</p><p>There were good experienced  principled candidates in 2008 like Kucinich and Richardson on the Democratic side and Ron Paul on the Republican side. There are always a couple good candidates in every election, but the American people are usually too  uninformed ( and sometimes just too stupid)  and most often go with candidates who can swindle them with slick marketing and empty promises and slogans like  &#8220;Change you can believe in&#8221; or &#8220;Yes we Can&#8221;.  Apparently Obama meant &#8220;yes we can&#8221; escalate mindless wars, bank bailouts, privatized health care and the withholding of prisoners without trial when he campaigned, lol.  Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinch would be worthy of supporting in 2012, but would others be smart enough to support them?   Probably not.</p><p>&#8220;Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Grown ups&#8221; &#8211; please, many progressive are the only ones who are behaving like grown ups by refusing to accept political half measures like a mandate to buy private health care and calling it &#8220;reform&#8221;, bank bailouts for morally and financially bankrupt companies or depraved wars overseas.  Progressives were the ones who were against the Iraq war from the start , when the rest of the country was falling for Bush&#39;s war propaganda and patriotism campaign. Also, the fight against these things are  going on all the time. This is why organizations like <a href="http://moveon.org" rel="nofollow">moveon.org</a> wanted to run ads against Blue DOG Democrats for their political cock blocking on health care reform. It&#39;s also why people like Howard Dean is calling the the current health care bill out for it&#39;s obvious deficiencies in helping the American people. &#8220;The Word Can&#39;t Wait&#8221; and &#8220;Code Pink&#8221; are incessantly protesting against the warmongering of our Congress, Senate  and President- the mainstream media doesn&#39;t cover these things however.</p><p>&#8220;Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary?&#8221;</p><p>As I said, there are people who are doing this all the time &#8211; it&#39;s not covered by the mainstream media . There have been massive protest outside the banking and financial institutions because of executive pay and bailouts.  Protesters have gotten arrested for  sit ins at Joe Lieberman&#39;s office the last couple of weeks. Students in California have been protesting the tuition hikes of the Public Universities in the state as result of the state&#39;s mismanagement of public funds &#8211; there are many other examples.  Try watching <a href="http://Democracynow.org" rel="nofollow">Democracynow.org</a> to see coverage of this type of stuff opposed to media outlets like CNN, ABC and the rest of the corporate crew.</p><p>&#8220;Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?&#8221;</p><p>Is it safer and easier to praise, support and make excuses and downright idolize Obama for every half measure  he takes while in office? I personally prefer supporting the issues over a person. Obama sending 30,000- 40,000 more troops to the Middle East with no fiscal restrictions while 45,000 people a year continue to die from lack of health care because of fiscal restrictions on health reform spending (remember,Obama wants a &#8220;deficit neutral&#8221; health care bill, but NO restrictions on war spending) seems to be bit of a half measure, don&#39;t you think?</p><p>&#8220;Utopian socialists in training?&#8221;</p><p>Cute shallow insult. But wanting decent health care for Americans, and an end to pointless wars and bank bailouts is neither &#8220;Utopian&#8221; nor &#8220;Socialist&#8221;: It&#39;s humane and just.</p><p>Peace.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: allheavens</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-331849</link> <dc:creator>allheavens</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:43:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-331849</guid> <description>Evidently you didn&#039;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan. Also, he has three more years in this term, so you better get use to eating a lot of shit sandwiches.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed. What are we willing to sacrifice to show lobbyists, corporations and politicians that we mean business? Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently you didn&#39;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan. Also, he has three more years in this term, so you better get use to eating a lot of shit sandwiches.</p><p>And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012?</p><p>Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed. What are we willing to sacrifice to show lobbyists, corporations and politicians that we mean business? Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary?</p><p>Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TyrenM</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-331852</link> <dc:creator>TyrenM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:34:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-331852</guid> <description>Don&#039;t know where Craig is today...but. BS. McEnroe never got fined like that. 2yr probation. Silence the sista for 2yrs? Aint gonna happen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t know where Craig is today&#8230;but. BS. McEnroe never got fined like that. 2yr probation. Silence the sista for 2yrs? Aint gonna happen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317716</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:48:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317716</guid> <description>I heard about that.  82 grand?  82 fuckin&#039; grand?  Are they serious?  And a 2 year probation?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bullshit.  Serena shoulda REALLY made it worth her while and kicked that line judge&#039;s ass for good measure.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about that.  82 grand?  82 fuckin&#39; grand?  Are they serious?  And a 2 year probation?</p><p>Bullshit.  Serena shoulda REALLY made it worth her while and kicked that line judge&#39;s ass for good measure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317715</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:45:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317715</guid> <description>Blah, blah, blah, blah.  Same note, different day.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah, blah.  Same note, different day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dthomas_85</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317619</link> <dc:creator>dthomas_85</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:55:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317619</guid> <description>&quot;Evidently you didn&#039;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I heard every word and never said that he was breaking his campaign promise by expanding our presence in Afghanistan. But the the facts on the ground have changed since the campaign, and most of the so called terrorist are no longer in Afghanistan- they are in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and maybe Iran. Also, I agree with Rona Paul and others when they say that the occupation is fueling the terrorism and not curtailing the terrorism. Muslims don&#039;t want American military bases on the Arabian Peninsula any more than Americans want Muslim mosque next to the Washington monument - would Americans peacefully accept a foreign occupier on our soil or next to historical areas in our country?  The Karzai government is corrupt and working with it is an exercise in futility and stupidity. The Soviets destroyed themselves trying to occupy and control Afghanistan, does history mean nothing to our elected leaders?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012?&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There were good experienced  principled candidates in 2008 like Kucinich and Richardson on the Democratic side and Ron Paul on the Republican side. There are always a couple good candidates in every election, but the American people are usually too  uninformed ( and sometimes just too stupid)  and most often go with candidates who can swindle them with slick marketing and empty promises and slogans like  &quot;Change you can believe in&quot; or &quot;Yes we Can&quot;.  Apparently Obama meant &quot;yes we can&quot; escalate mindless wars, bank bailouts, privatized health care and the withholding of prisoners without trial when he campaigned, lol.  Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinch would be worthy of supporting in 2012, but would others be smart enough to support them?   Probably not.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Grown ups&quot; - please, many progressive are the only ones who are behaving like grown ups by refusing to accept political half measures like a mandate to buy private health care and calling it &quot;reform&quot;, bank bailouts for morally and financially bankrupt companies or depraved wars overseas.  Progressives were the ones who were against the Iraq war from the start , when the rest of the country was falling for Bush&#039;s war propaganda and patriotism campaign. Also, the fight against these things are  going on all the time. This is why organizations like &lt;a href=&quot;http://moveon.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;moveon.org&lt;/a&gt; wanted to run ads against Blue DOG Democrats for their political cock blocking on health care reform. It&#039;s also why people like Howard Dean is calling the the current health care bill out for it&#039;s obvious deficiencies in helping the American people. &quot;The Word Can&#039;t Wait&quot; and &quot;Code Pink&quot; are incessantly protesting against the warmongering of our Congress, Senate  and President- the mainstream media doesn&#039;t cover these things however.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said, there are people who are doing this all the time - it&#039;s not covered by the mainstream media . There have been massive protest outside the banking and financial institutions because of executive pay and bailouts.  Protesters have gotten arrested for  sit ins at Joe Lieberman&#039;s office the last couple of weeks. Students in California have been protesting the tuition hikes of the Public Universities in the state as result of the state&#039;s mismanagement of public funds - there are many other examples.  Try watching &lt;a href=&quot;http://Democracynow.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democracynow.org&lt;/a&gt; to see coverage of this type of stuff opposed to media outlets like CNN, ABC and the rest of the corporate crew.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it safer and easier to praise, support and make excuses and downright idolize Obama for every half measure  he takes while in office? I personally prefer supporting the issues over a person. Obama sending 30,000- 40,000 more troops to the Middle East with no fiscal restrictions while 45,000 people a year continue to die from lack of health care because of fiscal restrictions on health reform spending (remember,Obama wants a &quot;deficit neutral&quot; health care bill, but NO restrictions on war spending) seems to be bit of a half measure, don&#039;t you think?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Utopian socialists in training?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cute shallow insult. But wanting decent health care for Americans, and an end to pointless wars and bank bailouts is neither &quot;Utopian&quot; nor &quot;Socialist&quot;: It&#039;s humane and just. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Peace.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Evidently you didn&#39;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan.&#8221;</p><p>I heard every word and never said that he was breaking his campaign promise by expanding our presence in Afghanistan. But the the facts on the ground have changed since the campaign, and most of the so called terrorist are no longer in Afghanistan- they are in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and maybe Iran. Also, I agree with Rona Paul and others when they say that the occupation is fueling the terrorism and not curtailing the terrorism. Muslims don&#39;t want American military bases on the Arabian Peninsula any more than Americans want Muslim mosque next to the Washington monument &#8211; would Americans peacefully accept a foreign occupier on our soil or next to historical areas in our country?  The Karzai government is corrupt and working with it is an exercise in futility and stupidity. The Soviets destroyed themselves trying to occupy and control Afghanistan, does history mean nothing to our elected leaders?</p><p>&#8220;And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012?&#8221;</p><p>There were good experienced  principled candidates in 2008 like Kucinich and Richardson on the Democratic side and Ron Paul on the Republican side. There are always a couple good candidates in every election, but the American people are usually too  uninformed ( and sometimes just too stupid)  and most often go with candidates who can swindle them with slick marketing and empty promises and slogans like  &#8220;Change you can believe in&#8221; or &#8220;Yes we Can&#8221;.  Apparently Obama meant &#8220;yes we can&#8221; escalate mindless wars, bank bailouts, privatized health care and the withholding of prisoners without trial when he campaigned, lol.  Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinch would be worthy of supporting in 2012, but would others be smart enough to support them?   Probably not.</p><p>&#8220;Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Grown ups&#8221; &#8211; please, many progressive are the only ones who are behaving like grown ups by refusing to accept political half measures like a mandate to buy private health care and calling it &#8220;reform&#8221;, bank bailouts for morally and financially bankrupt companies or depraved wars overseas.  Progressives were the ones who were against the Iraq war from the start , when the rest of the country was falling for Bush&#39;s war propaganda and patriotism campaign. Also, the fight against these things are  going on all the time. This is why organizations like <a href="http://moveon.org" rel="nofollow">moveon.org</a> wanted to run ads against Blue DOG Democrats for their political cock blocking on health care reform. It&#39;s also why people like Howard Dean is calling the the current health care bill out for it&#39;s obvious deficiencies in helping the American people. &#8220;The Word Can&#39;t Wait&#8221; and &#8220;Code Pink&#8221; are incessantly protesting against the warmongering of our Congress, Senate  and President- the mainstream media doesn&#39;t cover these things however.</p><p>&#8220;Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary?&#8221;</p><p>As I said, there are people who are doing this all the time &#8211; it&#39;s not covered by the mainstream media . There have been massive protest outside the banking and financial institutions because of executive pay and bailouts.  Protesters have gotten arrested for  sit ins at Joe Lieberman&#39;s office the last couple of weeks. Students in California have been protesting the tuition hikes of the Public Universities in the state as result of the state&#39;s mismanagement of public funds &#8211; there are many other examples.  Try watching <a href="http://Democracynow.org" rel="nofollow">Democracynow.org</a> to see coverage of this type of stuff opposed to media outlets like CNN, ABC and the rest of the corporate crew.</p><p>&#8220;Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?&#8221;</p><p>Is it safer and easier to praise, support and make excuses and downright idolize Obama for every half measure  he takes while in office? I personally prefer supporting the issues over a person. Obama sending 30,000- 40,000 more troops to the Middle East with no fiscal restrictions while 45,000 people a year continue to die from lack of health care because of fiscal restrictions on health reform spending (remember,Obama wants a &#8220;deficit neutral&#8221; health care bill, but NO restrictions on war spending) seems to be bit of a half measure, don&#39;t you think?</p><p>&#8220;Utopian socialists in training?&#8221;</p><p>Cute shallow insult. But wanting decent health care for Americans, and an end to pointless wars and bank bailouts is neither &#8220;Utopian&#8221; nor &#8220;Socialist&#8221;: It&#39;s humane and just.</p><p>Peace.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: allheavens</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317574</link> <dc:creator>allheavens</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317574</guid> <description>Evidently you didn&#039;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan. Also, he has three more years in this term, so you better get use to eating a lot of shit sandwiches.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed. What are we willing to sacrifice to show lobbyists, corporations and politicians that we mean business? Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently you didn&#39;t hear a word he said during his campaign about Afghanistan and Pakistan. Also, he has three more years in this term, so you better get use to eating a lot of shit sandwiches.</p><p>And do you have a better candidate to back in 2012?</p><p>Progressives need to decide if they are going to behave like grown-ups, organize and bring pressure to bear on the Congress and Senate not just Obama to get the legislation they want passed. What are we willing to sacrifice to show lobbyists, corporations and politicians that we mean business? Are we willing to take it to the streets if necessary?</p><p>Or is it easier and safer to second-guess, trivialize, and demonize everything President Obama does while doing absolutely nothing to instigate and effect change like most good little Utopian socialists in training?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TyrenM</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317565</link> <dc:creator>TyrenM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317565</guid> <description>Don&#039;t know where Craig is today...but. BS. McEnroe never got fined like that. 2yr probation. Silence the sista for 2yrs? Aint gonna happen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t know where Craig is today&#8230;but. BS. McEnroe never got fined like that. 2yr probation. Silence the sista for 2yrs? Aint gonna happen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: morphus</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317537</link> <dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:04:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317537</guid> <description>Hollywood would like to break your TV and revert your viewing experience back a few years. Never mind the evolution of media distribution created by an open market. The large corporate trade associates want to control distribution abilities directly by breaking your TV.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The MPAA (Motion Pictures Association of America) has been trying to increase movie distribution while maintaining full control of their content. Throughout the years they have joined forces with the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) to take on media related websites, bit torrent technology, and various file sharing programs in an effort to crack down on illegal piracy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enter Selectable Output Control (aka The Cable Kill Swith).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    “Selectable Output Control” (”SOC”) is the remote signaling of home devices by content providers or distributors, to turn off consumer home interfaces on a program-by-program basis. The interface in question would simply not operate for the particular program. It would mean that a consumer who has purchased an HDTV display, and pays for a set-top box or other device with an HDTV output, still might not receive all of the HDTV programs he or she has paid for — because the interface between the set-top box and the HDTV display has been turned off by remote control. In the long term, imposition of SOC could have the effect of driving from the market any home interface that supports home recording. HRRC has opposed imposition of SOC by law or in any context subject to regulation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    SOC is activated by data “triggers” that ride along with program information when it is sent to the home. FCC Encoding Rules currently ban SOC use, but the FCC has left the door open to its use in the future.  – Home Recording Rights Coalition&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newmediapolicy.org/2009/11/hollywood-control-hdtv/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hollywood Wants Control of Your HDTV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;hr&gt;IIRC, Sen Hatch was first to introduce legislation to create these content &#039;rights&#039;.  The first version also included language that allows the owner of the contents to viciously attack and disable a user&#039;s PC without penalty.  I have long suspected that viruses and keyloggers are tools used to give a remote company at-will control over an individual&#039;s PC.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hollywood would like to break your TV and revert your viewing experience back a few years. Never mind the evolution of media distribution created by an open market. The large corporate trade associates want to control distribution abilities directly by breaking your TV.</p><p>The MPAA (Motion Pictures Association of America) has been trying to increase movie distribution while maintaining full control of their content. Throughout the years they have joined forces with the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) to take on media related websites, bit torrent technology, and various file sharing programs in an effort to crack down on illegal piracy.</p><p>Enter Selectable Output Control (aka The Cable Kill Swith).</p><p> “Selectable Output Control” (”SOC”) is the remote signaling of home devices by content providers or distributors, to turn off consumer home interfaces on a program-by-program basis. The interface in question would simply not operate for the particular program. It would mean that a consumer who has purchased an HDTV display, and pays for a set-top box or other device with an HDTV output, still might not receive all of the HDTV programs he or she has paid for — because the interface between the set-top box and the HDTV display has been turned off by remote control. In the long term, imposition of SOC could have the effect of driving from the market any home interface that supports home recording. HRRC has opposed imposition of SOC by law or in any context subject to regulation.</p><p> SOC is activated by data “triggers” that ride along with program information when it is sent to the home. FCC Encoding Rules currently ban SOC use, but the FCC has left the door open to its use in the future.  – Home Recording Rights Coalition</p><p><b><a href="http://www.newmediapolicy.org/2009/11/hollywood-control-hdtv/" rel="nofollow">Hollywood Wants Control of Your HDTV</a></b><br /><hr />IIRC, Sen Hatch was first to introduce legislation to create these content &#39;rights&#39;.  The first version also included language that allows the owner of the contents to viciously attack and disable a user&#39;s PC without penalty.  I have long suspected that viruses and keyloggers are tools used to give a remote company at-will control over an individual&#39;s PC.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RonnieB</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317535</link> <dc:creator>RonnieB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317535</guid> <description>LPDLHBB = Lord Please Don&#039;t Let Him Be Black.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LPDLHBB = Lord Please Don&#39;t Let Him Be Black.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: caribgirl</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317531</link> <dc:creator>caribgirl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:30:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317531</guid> <description>He did run on a hawkish policy towards Afghanistan and Pakistan. He ran on escalating the war there. He even said he would take out high-valued terrorists in Pakistan if Pakistan was unable or unwilling to. I&#039;m sure he will lose some support over this decision but there are others who agree with his views or at least voted for him and will support him inspite of his views on Afghanistan.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He did run on a hawkish policy towards Afghanistan and Pakistan. He ran on escalating the war there. He even said he would take out high-valued terrorists in Pakistan if Pakistan was unable or unwilling to. I&#39;m sure he will lose some support over this decision but there are others who agree with his views or at least voted for him and will support him inspite of his views on Afghanistan.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RobM</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317526</link> <dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:03:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317526</guid> <description>Here is a very bleak view of Dubai situation. The author believe&#039;s it is the nextleg down in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6000#more&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deflationary spiral&lt;/a&gt;of the world&#039;s economy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a very bleak view of Dubai situation. The author believe&#39;s it is the nextleg down in the <a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6000#more" rel="nofollow">deflationary spiral</a>of the world&#39;s economy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: morphus</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317525</link> <dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:56:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317525</guid> <description>&quot;Sources tell ABC News &lt;b&gt;the leading &lt;u&gt;theory&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; in the ongoing Secret Service investigation is that officers at the initial White House checkpoint waived the couple in ...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Theories, lots of that out in the bloggersphere too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sources tell ABC News <b>the leading <u>theory</u></b> in the ongoing Secret Service investigation is that officers at the initial White House checkpoint waived the couple in &#8230;&#8221;</p><p>Theories, lots of that out in the bloggersphere too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The_A</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317524</link> <dc:creator>The_A</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317524</guid> <description>Yes, he is still @ large&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;After the police surrounded the house and bombarded it with floodlights, SWAT teams entered, only to find that the suspect, Maurice Clemmons, was not there, said Det. Mark Jamieson, a spokesman for the Seattle Police Department.&quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01tacoma.html?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01tacoma.h...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he is still @ large</p><p>&#8220;After the police surrounded the house and bombarded it with floodlights, SWAT teams entered, only to find that the suspect, Maurice Clemmons, was not there, said Det. Mark Jamieson, a spokesman for the Seattle Police Department.&#8221; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01tacoma.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01tacoma.h&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Plantsmantx</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317523</link> <dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:47:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317523</guid> <description>The &quot;non-threatening&quot; trap.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;non-threatening&#8221; trap.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: morphus</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/monday-open-thread-71/comment-page-1/#comment-317522</link> <dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=17850#comment-317522</guid> <description>Took me a minute to find it.  Have you seen animusic&#039;s videos? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.animusic.com/previews/previews2.php?clip=starship-groove&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starship Groove&lt;/a&gt; is one of my favorites.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took me a minute to find it.  Have you seen animusic&#39;s videos? <a href="http://www.animusic.com/previews/previews2.php?clip=starship-groove" rel="nofollow">Starship Groove</a> is one of my favorites.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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