i can't understand why george stephanopowhatever's wife (who seems like a nice, sane woman) ever decided to settle for this troglodyte.
Town
Maybe because "In Living Color" got canceled and she couldn't find any other work elsewhere?
caligirl
LOL, she was on "in living color"?? i didn't know that. i only knew about her from watching oprah!!
well, i guess it all makes sense now! hahahaha
Plantsmantx
I very vaguely remember her from "In Living Color", and the only other thing I remember seeing her in is "Head Case", so I have a hard time thinking of her as "sane", lol.
One consequence of having been alive through a lot of modern American history is remembering a lot of mass shootings. I was working at a high school summer job when news came over the radio that Charles Whitman had gunned down more than 40 people, killing 14, from the main tower at the University of Texas at Austin. I was editing a news magazine during the schoolyard killings in Paducah, Kentucky in 1997 and sent reporters to try to figure out what it all meant. I can remember where I was when the live-news coverage switched to the shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado, and the shootings at the one-room schoolhouse in the Amish country of Pennsylvania, and the Virginia Tech shootings two years ago. And all the rest.
In the saturation coverage right after the events, the "expert" talking heads are compelled to offer theories about the causes and consequences. In the following days and weeks, newspapers and magazine will have their theories too. Looking back, we can see that all such efforts are futile. The shootings never mean anything. Forty years later, what did the Charles Whitman massacre "mean"? A decade later, do we "know" anything about Columbine? There is chaos and evil in life. Some people go crazy. In America, they do so with guns; in many countries, with knives; in Japan, sometimes poison.
We know the emptiness of these events in retrospect, though we suppress that knowledge when the violence erupts as it is doing now. The cable-news platoons tonight are offering all their theories and thought-drops. They've got to fill time. I wish they could stop. As the Vietnam-era saying went, Don't mean nothing.
RIP.
rikyrah
the oddest thing about Fort Hood yesterday was that he was DEAD, and then he WASN'T.
rorysmomma
makes me wonder if he was the one doing the shooting at all.
On the murders at Fort Hood: One cliff Van Zandt and others are ignorant. they have repeatedly stated this this type of attack has not occured before. I have no idea what they think fragging is. It has happened that officers have fragged enlisted men as well. Two, this guy is a terrorist. I have grave doubts that there will be anything substansive here. You have to evaluate people when you promote them. If anything it shows the military is in dissarray on this issue. they ignored his issues on the grounds they are so short of pyschiatry people because they could have given him a dishonorable discharge(which fits w/ his offer to pay them back and the military passing) and/or the military officers above hi chose to punish him for any number of reasons by sending him overseas. three, there are numerous reports about the number of suicides and violent abuse of soldiers returning home. It was posted on JJP the women taking about how many acts were occuring at FtHood. the military is not addressing this issue and it is just a matter of time before the spillover occurs in public where the mentality is different
lamh32
Okay,
I'm handing over my black card ya'll. I love Michael Buble' I can't help it. And I find Jon Bon Jovi hot! Give it back to me later on after I see the MJ movie, or when I buy my next Bone Thugs or Slim Thugga, or Lil Wayne album (which won't happen anyway, since I don't really listen it any of them, I'm a ole school hip hop kinda girl, and "around the way girl" you could say)
Aw, hell naw, you gotta give back the black cards you already snatched or CPL will take yours, especially for having that Van Halen shyt on your play list.
Lisa M
See you wrong 'bout Van Halen. Eddie Van Halen's the man. Besides, he played on Beat It so we don't have to give up the card for that.
AxelFoley
Say what? Van Halen was the shiznit back in the day.
Oops, did I say that out loud?
caligirl
i got two words for ya: criss angel!!!! he's my current crush. ;-)
AxelFoley
*won't admit he loved him some Sheena Easton back in the 80's*
*and Madonna*
*and Debbie Gibson*
AxelFoley
*takes lamh32's black card*
You'll get this back when you come to your senses.
*doesn't mention that he has Bon Jovi and other 80's rock groups on his iPod*
According to this Washington Post report, the shooter at the Ft. Hood massacre, Major Nidal M. Hasan was an American citizen born in Arlington, Virginia of Palestinian American parents. He had never married, and was a devout Muslim by all accounts. He had also allegedly asked for a discharge from the military for several years after suffering abuse and harassment by other members of the military for his religious beliefs following the attacks on September 11, 2001, according to his aunt.
He prayed every day at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, a devout Muslim who, despite asking to be discharged from the U.S. Army, was on the eve of his first deployment to war. Yesterday, authorities said Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, a 39-year-old Arlington-born psychiatrist, shot and killed 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex. In an interview, his aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, said he had endured name-calling and harassment about his Muslim faith for years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and had sought for several years to be discharged from the military.
"I know what that is like," she said. "Some people can take it, and some cannot. He had listened to all of that, and he wanted out of the military, and they would not let him leave even after he offered to repay" for his medical training.
The Wapo report describes a solitary figure who had spent his entire professional career in the US Army. He had worked at Walter Reed Hospital for most of his career treating trauma victims, his medical education and training had been paid for by the US military, and he was reported to be an adamant opponent of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He had also allegedly come to the attention of law enforcement for posts he made on an internet website comparing suicide bombers to Japanese Kamikazi pilots who flew suicide missions against the US Navy in the Pacific during WWII.
According to his aunt, his work at Walter Reed for 8 years with trauma victims from Iraq and Afghanistan, and witnessing on a daily basis the effects of their psychological and physical injuries had had a profound effect on him. She describes him telling her of the patients he worked with who had suffered severe wounds, including one individual who had been so badly burned "that his face had nearly melted." The portrait Hassan's aunt paints of him is of a quiet, serious, solitary individual, who was frustrated by the Army's refusal to grant him a discharge. She claims he must have "snapped" under the pressure of all that he had experienced since 9/11 and under the deadline of his coming deployment to a war zone. Last night on the Rachel Maddow show, Rachel reported on conversations Major Hassan allegedly had with a man, a fellow Muslim, who worked at a convenience store that Hassan frequented each morning to buy coffee. In one of those conversations Major Hassan reportedly stated that he had qualms about being deployed to a war zone where he might be faced with the possibility of harming or killing fellow Muslims. She showed video surveillance tape from the store security camera of Major Hassan, dressed in tradition Arab garb, on the morning of the shooting. Here's video from CNN which ran the same footage:
A cousin of Major Hassan, Nader Hassan, stated to Shepard Smith of Fox News, in a live interview that Hassan had never told his cousin or other family members that he was scheduled to be deployed overseas. His cousin describes conversations with Major Hassan regarding his work at Walter Reed and the "horrific things" he heard from his patients about the war. He also confirmed Hassan's aunt's statements to the Washington Post that Major Hassan had experienced harassment at Walter Reed because of his faith and ethnicity. This cousin, Nader Hassan, stated that Major Hassan had at one time employed an attorney in an attempt to obtain a discharge, and that he had been seeking to leave the military for several years. The cousin also stated that Major Hassan had no history of past violent behavior, or of making statements condoning violence to members of their family. Nader Hassan described the family of his cousin as being in shock over what happened.
These details suggest that Major Hassan acted alone based on his personal experiences and beliefs, and that his failure to obtain a discharge from the Army plus the upcoming deployment he faced was the likely trigger that led to this incident. If Major Hassan is the shooter at Ft. Hood as alleged, he seemingly fits many of the characteristics of a disgruntled employee who commits mass murder at his workplace. He was socially isolated at work, a loner by nature, and had for a long time repressed his feeling of isolation, anger, stress and anxiety regarding his work situation. Such individuals, seeing no other way out make a deliberate choice to murder their colleagues as an act of vengeance against the institution which they feel has wronged them.
If all these claims are are proven to be true in the upcoming days and weeks, the fact that Major Hassan was not allowed to leave military service based on his objections to the wars and the stress he experienced as a result of his job will be shown to be a grave error. If he had been allowed to leave, this tragedy likely could have been avoided.
So, essentially, the military facilitated this man's breakdown since 9/11 and wouldn't give him a discharge that would have avoided this shyt.
I can see it now - Muslims need not apply to join the military until too many white guys get shot up - it's the reason why Truman desegregated the military back during the Korean conflict.
Guns3000
Blame the system not the perpetrator. Great analysis CPL.
twg
"He had also allegedly come to the attention of law enforcement for posts he made on an internet website comparing suicide bombers to Japanese Kamikazi pilots who flew suicide missions against the US Navy in the Pacific during WWII."
Anyone wonder about this, <puts tinfoil hat on>, google "pinwale", "firstfruits", and "stellar wind". I'm sure JJP is not being watched like Freerepublic, right? Maybe I just ruined all that by putting all those words together in one post LOL. <Takes tinfoil hat off>
djchefron
Hold up, he came to the attention of law enforcement for the websites he visited?And CID wasn't notified? And he was promoted? I thought that if you are a commissioned officer you can resign.I live in rural America but even I can smell some bullshit.
rikyrah
it doesn't make any kind of sense.
AxelFoley
Yeah, something ain't adding up.
morphus
Reports of an epidemic of soldier rage and suicides have been ignored.
John Allen Muhammad scheduled for execution in Virginia on Nov 9 is an untreated Iraqi veteran.
caligirl
"John Allen Muhammad scheduled for execution in Virginia on Nov 9..."
oh, happy day!!!!!!!!!!!
though i prefer in most cases they be allowed to live the rest of their lives in the hell that is prison.
morphus
Given the number of untreated soldiers there will be more days for you to celebrate.
caligirl
sorry morphus, but there's no sympathy for the devil coming from me today.
though i totally agree with u on the untreated soldiers issue and the negative impact that has on all of us.
what's the status of the other guy (his young, crazy sidekick from the caribbean)? he still breathing???
morphus
The reason why I raised Muhammad's name, its current and we know he is an Iraq veteran. In many instances, by the time stories appear about executions, the fact that the "monster" was a veteran has been stripped away.
Regarding young sidekick, yep. He's still breathing will be in jail for life.
caligirl
i understood why u mentioned his name. knew his military history. but he was sort of a chicken-or-egg situation. was he a psycho who just so happened to be attracted to the military (and have excellent hand/eye coordination), or did his time in iraq make him crazy?
either way, he gets nada!
morphus
Muhammad's wife said he was "different" after returning from Iraq.
Guns3000
He is an Iraq veteren that was discharged in 1994. He didn't go on his rampage until 2002. Why are you making that connection? What proof do you have of this or are you just trying to make a point
Town
Malvo got life in prison without parole.
NOBODY in the DMV is feeling sorry for John Allen Mohammed, he had all of us ducking and dodging and bobbing and weaving at gas stations, side eyeing white box trucks, shutting down Interstate 95 and fearing for our lives.
Nope, not sorry at all.
caligirl
i remember how horribly i felt for everyone who lived in those areas at the time. i would've been terrified! he deserves death.
i hope malvo's life is sheer HELL!
morphus
Remember the difference in reaction in DC?
Guns3000
" If all these claims are are proven to be true in the upcoming days and weeks, the fact that Major Hassan was not allowed to leave military service based on his objections to the wars and the stress he experienced as a result of his job will be shown to be a grave error. If he had been allowed to leave, this tragedy likely could have been avoided. "
You can't be serious. So everybody who is "stressed" can shirk their responsibility and not deploy? I know guys that have been there 4 or 5 times and you don't think they are "stressed" as well. This guy wasn't stressed he just didn't understand the gravity of signing up for the US Military. The military exists to fight wars it looks like Malik seemed to forget that. And I didn't see this guy trying to get out the military when he was becoming a psychiatrist on the tax payer's dime. He signed the contract he made a commitment this isn't the 60's no one forced his hand. You don't get kicked out the military because you may disagree with US foreign policy. If that was the case people would get kicked out all the time. There's an officer who doesn't believe Obama is a legitimate President. Lets let him shirk his responsibility as well.
djchefron
Correct me if I am wrong but being an officer he could have resigned his commissioned?
Guns3000
Depends on the commitment that the officer signed. If the military is putting you through school you can't just resign. There is a certain amount of years you must do after you graduate before you can resign. If you sign up to be a fighter pilot which is a 10 year commitment you can't just resign when you feel like it. That's the debate we are having now. What his "obligations" were?
With that number of years, which is plenty, you surely better understand your "mission."
AxelFoley
Bingo.
Look, I know Iraq was/is a bullshit war, and Afghanistan is FUBARed to hell, but when you sign up--when you volunteer--Uncle Sam owns your ass. He says you're going to a combat zone, you're going to a combat zone. You signed the contract.
caligirl
hello!!
i don't get this "why i gotta go to war?" BULLSHIT.
morphus
Many "recruits" do not join the services with expectations they will be "the one" who will participate in the military's primary function. Recruits join the military because there are no jobs, they take chance to cash in on the promise of bonuses, schooling, and travelling.
The military knows it and that's why many recruits have to be "trained" to kill. Lessening natural abhorrence to killing the military uses arcades and video games in malls within urban centers with killing to attract potential recruits. Recruiters are provided elementary student information to become their buddies at early ages. These recruiter buddies teach young recruits to throw grenades using baseballs. All of this is done because it is not "natural" to accept killing as a new job skill.
Guns3000
Morphus, he signed the contract. I don't want to hear excuses. It's the military. You don't learn to shoot weapons for fun. If people are joining the military and do not understand that you may have to make the ultimate sacrifice their recruiter failed them or they are uniformed or a incompetent. In either case. I don't think Hassan fit that profile. I've signed those papers and it is crystal clear that there is a possibility that you may have to serve in a combat environment.
This educated and well traveled man raised his hand and said this,
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
Don't act like he was some poor kid in the ghetto who didn't have resources, education or family structure to know any better.
caligirl
true.
morphus
At tops, his "obligation" would be 4 years. The military operating under "stop loss" holds individuals in the military beyond their "obligation".
Guns3000
Well, first off we don't know the nature of his "obligation" unless you have some new information and if so please share the link. Lets say he was affected by a "stop loss" and we don't know that he was. So what? I know dozens of guys that have been affected by it. Not to be trite but that's in the contract as well. If he was deemed as "Mission Essential" then he would be affected with stop loss.
Christ - as an Rad tech, I was always considered "mission essential." Most medical personnel ARE "mission essential."
morphus
No secret. ROTC service commitment / Medical Profession commitment = 4 years.
"Lets say he was affected by a "stop loss" and we don't know that he was. So what? "
Ties in with military ignoring soldiers problems: suicides, soldier rage, PTSD, brain trauma, returning soldiers murders, police combating returning soldiers dropped back in communities, etc. It matters.
caligirl
i hear you (live in san diego--a military metropolis). but i'm not hearing the excuses. this man was NOT a victim of the system. NOBODY is forced to join the military in modern america, and if u gonna join, don't complain when you have to kill. it's the MILITARY. duh?
morphus
No excuses just facts when dealing with human beings.
"NOBODY is forced to join the military in modern america"
True, but joblessness is a great tool for recruitment.
"if u gonna join, don't complain when you have to kill. it's the MILITARY. "
Individuals joining the service in specialities such as into special forces, infantry, or artillery go into the military with expectation to kill.
Guns3000
The way the military fights wars these days fighting "unconventional wars" everyone must be trained. More women have been killed on the battlefield more than any time in history. That's because these combat support units that have women are embedded in places where the enemy uses the local populations as a shield and to blend in to launch their attacks. So there is no such thing as "frontline." If you are there everyone is essentially on the frontline. Everyone must be aware and expect to be affected directly by combat if they deploy.
morphus
Combat support unit says it all and makes clear the level of commitment.
Guns3000
WRONG, If God forbid a combat unit gets wiped out who do you think fills in until another combat unit can be deployed to the area?
morphus
Combat suggests fighting what's WRONG in drawing that conclusion?
Guns3000
Nothing, is wrong with that conclusion. But "military" should make you draw that conclusion as well.
morphus
Military should, its just a fact most recruits don't make that connection. Glossy adverts, unemployment, promise of $$ and schooling, and military as vehicle for upward mobility, sweetens the trap.
Guns3000
"Trap????" Some people look at it as opportunity.
morphus
Yes, trap. Why the monetary enticement or offers for schooling? Absent true job creation, military is the only opportunity available.
Guns3000
So what's your answer should the US military stop utilizing stop loss to retain "mission essential" personnel?
And like I said you don't know his commitment. He was in for almost 10 so and some point he decided VOLUNTARILY to stay longer.
Readiness means having soldiers capable of performing mission.
Edit:
From lamh32 post: "He had also allegedly asked for a discharge from the military for several years after suffering abuse and harassment by other members of the military for his religious beliefs following the attacks on September 11, 2001, according to his aunt."
IF he was being harassed because of his religious preference - then the military bears some responsibility for how it responded to that, especially if the major reported it. The Army has an Inspector General to which anyone can go to file a claim of harassment, as well as an OEO officer.
In 1976, I filed sexual harassment charges against the NCOIC of our clinic with the IG. After an investigation, he was demoted and removed from his "command."
Just because the man was (is) a psychiatrist and/or a commissioned officer does not mean he's immune from harassment.
As far as getting his education on the taxpayers dime - the man has been in the military for, what? - 10 years? At least 6 years were spent at Walter Reed. He's paid back his debt. Again - the military pays for med school but you only owe an allotment of time: 1-2 years of service for every year of med school paid by the military.
YOUR OBLIGATION
Your active duty service obligation to the U.S. Army is one year of service for every year you receive the scholarship. Your minimum obligation depends on your health care field. For example, the minimum obligation for medical students is two years. Dental, psychology, optometry and veterinary students are obligated to serve no fewer than three years. There is an additional obligation for residency and fellowship training.
While stationed at Ft. Knox, one of my husband's running buddies was one of the bases veterinarian. The military was how he got thru vet school.
Guns.... in the PDF, it also says "you'll be commissioned as a second lt. in the Army Reserve. Following graduation.... you'll commissioned as a captain." So the 'rotc' thing is on point.
One other thing: You have to be an American citizen. No shit - read the requirements
Guns3000
If he was being harassed and he informed his chain of command then something should have been done. But lets be clear his reaction was about him not wanting to deploy and his stance on US foreign policy. If there was no chance of him deploying and he was harassed he wouldn't have reacted like that.
YOU nor I nor anyone else knows his reasoning for his actions. It's all speculation right now. And the Army shouldn't be giving out this man's information; it's against policy.
Edit: I was reading at military.com and even there, there are some who want to restrain others until more is known. There's talk about 'friendly fire' and some other stuff.
And if I hear anyone else say or ask - why hasn't this major said anything ...... because he's probably on a fucking ventilator!
Guns3000
He ass should be on a fucking noose. I hope the military keeps this in their jurisdiction and tries his ass for treason because if not some damn civilian anti-military attorney is going to talk about how he was harassed and he was "pushed" into being a mass murderer. And we are going to sit through years of redtape, motions and appeals.
After sorting it all out, Guns. After sorting it all out. It's a military installation and I would think the military has sole jurisdiction. It's on American soil so no dispute as to 'sovereignty' or anything.
Guns3000
Well, the military hasn't executed anyone in decades but state of TX executes someone I think every week. I think those TX good ole boys may come in handy for once if it goes to their court system.
lamh32
I here you Guns.
Yeah, it's a "volunteer" army, but It's the armed forces you are literally volunteering to go to war to fight. You have a choice.
I don't know this guys situation, but I once wanted to become a doctor, and I through some of my own issues, I never made it. For all the people who apply to med school, I believe that of say 1000 people who apply "maybe" 20% actually get in to the "good" schools. Others have to find a way to get in and some Carribean schools, and yes the military schools are definitely the way some people go.
I'll admit that I myself kinda looked into joining just to go to med school, but I idea of having to go to war was what stopped me.
djchefron
Before we accept what the Army and MSM wants you to accept remember Pat Tillman
Bingo! And the greatest cover-upper of them all, Gen. McChrystal, is still in command. Where? Afghanistan....
rorysmomma
let this be a lesson to folks in supervisory positions. Be forward thinking individuals and pay attention to harrassment in your ranks. The life you save may be your own.
Town
Nobody cares about bullying until something happens. Everyone is content to look away and let the bullying continue as long as it doesn't happen to them.
Guns3000
Town, this is a lot deeper than bullying. This is about him not wanting to deploy and disagreeing with US foreign policy.
Town
We're not talking about deployment, we're talking about bullying. And superiors have an obligation to shut down bullying when they see it occurring. The bullying issue is a separate issue from the not wanting to deploy issue. Most people whether it's the military, Fortune 500 company or McDonalds don't want to get involved when they see somebody else getting bullied because THEY don't want to be the next target of the bully. Then when the victim goes off, they pretend to be shocked and horrified that somebody could do such a thing.
As far as this Hasan guy is concerned, he should have been left at Walter Reed for evaluation. Why is it taking 6+ months to verify that he was making suicide bombing statements on the Internet? I betcha if you or I as private citizens were making suicide bombing threats on the internet the FBI, CIA, ATF, NSA and all the other letter organizations would be on our asses like white on rice with the quickness. This guy was flagged as potentially unstable more than 6 months ago, but as with the Virginia Tech shooter, nobody wants to step in and take a closer look at the individual until after it's too late.
Guns3000
Oh, I don't disagree there may be some culpability on his superiors if they knew about bullying/harassment and didn't do anything. Considering his superiors were probably a Lt. Colonel, Colonel or General that's something that needs to be investigated. I'm with you on these statements on the net. Somebody dropped on the ball on that one. But here's my question to you Town if someone would have stepped in for a closer look. Do you really think he would have given them enough information to give him medical help. They would have probably would have stripped him of his military duties and I don't think he wanted that. But it's all speculation. So many questions not enough answers.
Town
He was offering to pay them back all the money they spent on his education so I doubt seriously he would have held back information that would have gotten him a discharge.
Guns3000
Possibly, if he would have been released on negative conditions that would have made it difficult for him to find employment. I was in the military one of the first things that an employer asks for is my discharge status. Was it a Honorable?
AxelFoley
This nut could have either become a consciencious (sp?) objector, or fled to Canada. Either way would have been better than murdering/injuring dozens of your fellow soldiers.
morphus
At the end of October, National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, members of the men’s movement group RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting) gathered on the steps of Congress to lobby against what they say are the suppressed truths about domestic violence: that false allegations are rampant, that a feminist-run court system fraudulently separates innocent fathers from children, that battered women’s shelters are running a racket that funnels federal dollars to feminists, that domestic-violence laws give cover to cagey mail-order brides seeking Green Cards, and finally, that men are victims of an unrecognized epidemic of violence at the hands of abusive wives.
“It’s now reached the point,” reads a statement from RADAR, “that domestic violence laws represent the largest roll-back in Americans’ civil rights since the Jim Crow era!”
RADAR’s rhetoric may seem overblown, but lately the group and its many partners have been racking up very real accomplishments. In 2008, the organization claimed to have blocked passage of four federal domestic-violence bills, among them an expansion of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) to international scope and a grant to support lawyers in pro bono domestic-violence work. Members of this coalition have gotten themselves onto drafting committees for VAWA’s 2011 reauthorization. Local groups in West Virginia and California have also had important successes, criminalizing false claims of domestic violence in custody cases, and winning rulings that women-only shelters are discriminatory.
Groups like RADAR fall under the broader umbrella of the men’s rights movement, a loose coalition of anti-feminist groups. These men’s rights activists, or MRAs, have long been written off by domestic-violence advocates as a bombastic and fringe group of angry white men, and for good reason. Bernard Chapin, a popular men’s rights blogger, told me over e-mail that he will refer to me as “Feminist E,” since he never uses real names for feminists, who are wicked and who men “must verbally oppose … until our flesh oxidizes into dust.” In the United Kingdom, a father’s rights group scaled Buckingham Palace in superhero costumes. In Australia, they wore paramilitary uniforms and demonstrated outside the houses of female divorcees.
In any country that has Sharia law, beating your wife is a civil right.....
Guns3000
Men need groups like this. Men's rights get trampled on in domestic and paternity cases. It's ridiculous. I know a guy that has been living with a woman for years with "his" child. His name is on the birth certificate as the father and to make a long story short the kid isn't his. He subsequently left the relationship and even with a DNA test proving (In my Maury voice) "You are NOT the father" he must still pay child support. They say he signed the bc so he must take care of the child. He signed the bc under false pretenses that's what I say. He should be able to sue her for damages.
vulcan_girl
I totally feel you. My cousin and his girlfriend broke up after 7 years together, living together for the last 6. Their baby is 3. She left him to be with someone else and is pregnant by him. He now has to go to court to get visitation (hopefully it will be changed to joint custody) and arrange for child support. She got mad a couple of months ago while he had the baby, and showed up with the police to take her home, baby screaming for her daddy. He hasn't seen her since. She didn't show up for the court date, and instead of just ruling like they would have done if HE hadn't shown up, it was rescheduled. Still no visits. If he was the one showing his ass, he'd be under the jail, with child support piling up.
The system definitely needs an overhaul to be more fair to parents of either sex instead of defaulting to mother as primary custodian. I know plenty of dads who are just as much of a caregiver as the mom.
morphus
The situation you described arises from Welfare reform legislation where the Feds gives a monetary bounty to states when they are able to assign a father to a child. IF RADAR focused on the legislation rather than making its results a war of the sexes then there would be more support. This newest rhetoric about "civil rights" and domestic violence is insane.
RobM
For anyone whom has a child interested in the green economy there are a series of lectures being held in Philadelphia at the Academy of Natural Sciences.
Yeah, a *LOT* higher. MSM can't cover him from here...
Guns3000
No need to "cover" for anyone Karmi. Everyone knows Bush left this mess for Obama. Why do you think Repubs lare acting like you and have amnesia and never even mention the last eight years. Alright, lets break this down. And the beginning of the year we were losing over 700,00 jobs per month. Now we are losing 190,000. Don't concentrate on the number look at trend. All the other numbers are looking positive. GDP, manufacturing etc. Unemployment is a lagging indicatior. It's going to be the LAST number to be positive. Unemployment numbers are a look into the past. I guarantee the job losses for November are LESS than 190,000. Do you know why? Because we are heading into the holiday season and retailers are going to need more people in addition to that company balance sheets are a lot stronger because for the past year they have been shedding jobs and slowed spending. So Karmi go ahead have your moment. Pray the economy gets worse. Obama's failure is a lot more important than people getting jobs. I'm sorry to break it you timing is on Obama's side and the economy is getting better.
Town
I see "now hiring" signs all over the mall.
In fact LAST DECEMBER I saw "now hiring" signs at many retail places.
There were always jobs, just not jobs that pay much or that people want. Their old jobs aren't coming back and the wages aren't going back up (why, if the employer can get the same amount of work out of you at $25K that he did at $30K?). People need to realize, understand and digest that and adjust their lives accordingly.
RobM
Just one point on the hiring signs you are seeing. Many are temp and part time jobs. these hires don't go into the data the way you think. Payroll takes into account of this househld survey acknowledges it but it doesn't make it into the number, temp and part time go into U-6. Currnet stats: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
Town
At this point a check is a check. A part time check is better than a "no time" check. People are going to have to revise their hustle because that job they had is NOT coming back and if it does, it ain't coming back at the same pay. Someday I think there will be an end to "full time work," just all part time, temp and contract gigs.
RobM
Town I understand what you are saying and I agree totally that that reality is coming. but it is part and parcel of the debate over healthcare reform. W/ everyone working in that fashion the only way to recieve healthcare will be a single payer system otherwise everyone going to the ER to die will bankrupt the country. As to a checkbeing a check w/ the number of hours worked down to 33/wk it means everyone is part time and employers will bring current workers closer to 40 before they hire anyone. If employers are doing that you can't even get a check.
Guns3000
I agree, those days of just getting in to a place with no formal training or education and working there for 20 years are OVER. If you don't have some sort of degree or specialized training you are not even competitive and forget it if you have a criminal record.
ch555x
co-signed, especially seeing "for hire" signs...
morphus
For the past 30 years, the MSM has ignored POC actual jobless rates, black males in particular. The MSM has ignored that Amerrycus is segregated again. The MSM ignores or chooses not to report that the subprime scandal is about Wall Street stealing the one asset most POC have, their homes.
All of this is to say. So, whats your point about the MSM's alleged duty to inform the public?
twg
A group of facts mixed with a generous, highly refined bullsh*t. The subprime crisis was caused by folks getting houses (debt) that couldn't afford it, POC and rich white folks included. The lenders shouldn't have been lending to folks who couldn't pay it back. I would like you to lay out an example of someone's home being "stolen".
On the POC jobless rate, what is the comparative difference between the government's official rate and the actual number? I haven't read it anywhere, but would like to know.
Do you mean Americus, GA?
morphus
"The subprime crisis was caused by folks getting houses (debt) that couldn't afford it"
In court, that rethug talking point has been refuted numerous to times.
"I would like you to lay out an example of someone's home being "stolen""
Google "mud people loans", subprime+blacks+target
"On the POC jobless rate, what is the comparative difference between the government's official rate and the actual number?"
Predatory lending is a fact, but are you objecting to these folks getting a loan? If they didn't get a subprime loan, they may not have gotten one at all, even with government equal opportunity protection. If these lenders were doing something unethical (racially motivated or not), they should be busted. If you are crying foul for my ex-girlfriend, who lost a house she couldn't pay for as well, then I appreciate your kindheartedness and call for action on her behalf. She was a "victim" of buying a house when she should have been renting. I learned a valuable lesson for sure; you help can't help folks (or girlfriends) by giving them money if they don't know how to live within their means. It's not fair, but it will always be true.
On the unemployment thing, urban myth maybe, more likely political tall tale IMHO, but it's your link. Are you trying to say is strictly related to race?
Quoted from the link you posted: "They vote consistently liberal and they are politically liberal to the core. How could this happen in New York City? How could 50% of black men be unemployed in the most convincingly liberal city in America? Cincinnati is sometimes viewed as backward, but we don't even approach those rates.
I don't believe NYC has those unemployment rates for black mean. I think that data does not exist. I think it is politically correct garbage that nobody every responds to out of courtesy."
I agree people always want to pretend that predatory lending affected poor poc when that is so far from the truth. Banks don't give loans to poor working people most of them rent. Most people I know affected by the housing crisis would be considered middle class. B/c of their considerable income most of them qualified for traditonal loans but recieved sub prime loans b/c the system wants to extract as much money as possible from POC and when that wasn't enough they went after these people homes by foreclosing. But for some reason the media never tells how banks are straight up stealing from Black people when they decide to foreclose on people's houses. And after the system collapsed and banks were bailed out they are STILL upholding this same rackateering system as before. SMH.
djchefron
Dear Blue Dog Bartlebys: Do Your Effin' Jobs. Or Quit. Seems that a bunch of our favorite 'centrist' Congresscritters were spooked (like the scared rabbits they are) by Tuesday's voting, and want to cower in their offices and avoid any controversial votes between now and the 2010 midterm.
Brilliant. That'll sure get the base to turn out for them, won't it?
From The Hill:
Vulnerable House and Senate Democrats want their leaders to skip the party’s controversial legislative agenda for next year to help save their seats in Congress.
In the run-up to the 2010 midterm elections, they don’t want to be forced to vote on climate change, immigration reform and gays in the military, which they say should be set aside so Congress can focus on jobs and the economy.
“It’s hard; the most important issue in front of us is the economy right now, and that’s where most of us really want to stay focused, the economy and jobs, that’s what our constituency is concerned about,” said Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D), who is facing a tough race next year in Arkansas.
Rep. Bob Etheridge (D), a centrist contemplating a run for Senate in North Carolina, helped Democratic leaders in the summer by voting for climate change legislation on the House floor.
He now wants Democratic leaders to narrow their focus on jobs and the economy.
“Three things ought to be the top priority: jobs, jobs and jobs,” he said.
Lincoln said that lawmakers should focus on passing healthcare reform and wait until next year to effect financial regulatory reform and reduce unemployment.
“That’s an awful lot to bite off and chew for right now,” said Lincoln, who described herself as “not in a hurry” to tackle climate change, an issue she has some jurisdiction over as chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture Committee.
Sen. Evan Bayh (D), who is running for reelection in conservative-leaning Indiana, said “jobs should be our top priority and we shouldn’t do anything that detracts from that,” echoing a sentiment of many colleagues in similar positions.
Bayh said he recognizes that Congress should be able to “walk and chew gum at the same time and hopefully do more than one thing,” but that controversial issues will become especially difficult next year.
Climate change legislation would be “difficult to accomplish under the best of times and doubly so when the economy is not at all good,” Bayh said.
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Some Democrats are worried the ambitious agenda could make winning reelection that much harder.
“If it was up to me, I would figure out how to handle the war and fix the economy,” said Rep. John Tanner (Tenn.), a senior centrist Democrat who has found himself in the crosshairs of the National Republican Congressional Committee, which has recruited a promising GOP challenger.
Tanner worries his party may be trying to bite off too much in the 111th Congress.
“For all of these big issues, the trick is — to use a football analogy — to go for a first down instead of an 80-yard Hail Mary,” he said. “Some of the more philosophically driven people want to do an 80-yard Hail Mary, but getting first downs is how you legislate over time.”
A group of vulnerable Democratic lawmakers see healthcare reform, climate change and immigration reform as desperation passes down the length of the political playing field. They acknowledge that healthcare reform may very well pass, but they say that climate change and immigration reform have dim prospects.
Rep. Bobby Bright, an Alabama centrist viewed as one of the most endangered Democrats in the House, said that many Americans feel alarmed by the drastic legislative changes moving through Congress. He said leaders should consider breaking up sprawling controversial bills into smaller pieces that voters would not find so daunting in size and scope.
“Maybe this healthcare bill is going drastically too far,” he said. “If we could take it in smaller steps, we could build confidence.
What a bunch of worthless grovelers.
Look, that's the point of having a government: to deal with problems that need to be addressed on a national level. If you guys don't want to be part of that, then QUIT. Resign. Give your seat up, so someone else who isn't petrified in fear of what the wingnuts might say, or what the voters might do, can use it, since you're not going to. There are only 535 people in this country who get to vote on Federal legislation. If you don't want to be one of them, fine - but step down. If you won't lead or follow, then get the fuck out of the way.
Like it or not, it's your job to deal with tough issues. If you don't want the responsibility, then run for the goddamned Library Board back home.
And can we all admit that the 'jobs' bit is a pathetic dodge? You guys don't like deficit spending, at least deficit spending that will help ordinary people. And you don't like raising taxes. So you're not going to borrow or raise taxes to do anything that will create jobs. That doesn't leave much, does it?
Oh, wait, I know: you'll come up with a bill to gut regulations that protect workers and consumers, and call that a jobs bill.
if it's taken 40 + years to get "a 1st down", I'd go for a few hail marys or at least kick a dang field goal.
morphus
Closing down all of the various "Streets" (ala "C Street", "J Street", "K Street") in D.C., stop big business and donors from selecting local pols to run for Congressional seats, and duplicating Grayson in several states to run for office would be a good start for "real" constituent representation.
In brief, sever foreign interest and corporate ties from the Hill.
RobM
I have no issue w/ influence on congress and the President. What we need is transparancy i.e., if you obtain a special exemption from Congress it be clear who is getting it. No more hidden in the bill no name exemptions. That will stop most if not all of it.
morphus
Transparency is good. As it stands today monied interest usurps and literally trumps constituent needs. Balance is needed.
RobM
In this environment for the US domestic economy this is why the economy needs more government/deficit spending.
rikyrah
we need another stimulus, and no fucking tax cuts this time.
Guns3000
We don't need any more stimulus. The funds for the first stimulus were back-ended and not front-ended unfortunately. I blame Barry for that. As long as the trend for job losses remain on the track it's on we will be just fine.
Admiral_Komack
You mean they had fucking tax cuts in the stimulus package? I didn't get mine! Arrr, it be hard out here for a player!
twg
A good case for folks who don't pay taxes now......to start contributing as well, don't you think?
RobM
I think, snark aside, the question you asking is my postion on taxes. My position on taxes is that the current tax code is to heavily designed to remove income from taxation. The simplest proof is go into a CPA's office and look at the books tax code, stack it on end based on the smallest dimension and it is still as tall as Kareem or Yao. I think they rates should be graduated to about 22% max only exemptions for houses, charity and children. This change will cost some business and job's their existence. The release of restrictions from the economy will bring about new ones. People will take risk to start businesses and make money.
If we get healthcare change w/ a single payer or a German type insurance system(multiple insurers standard policies) the economy will really explode.
twg
I like the standard policy idea. I like the German concept on unemployment also. The current debate really revolves around government takeover/control for me. I'm for a lot of the goals (moving the uninsured out of the ER's, no pre-existing clauses, controlling costs, etc.). As a small business owner who pays a lot of taxes, files a lot of paperwork monthly with the government, and pays more for insurance than my company makes in profit......I'm leary of and unhappy with more government control. The current plans set us up for all the same problems Canada, the UK, and others have. I am hoping we can agree on something better.
I was being snarky on the taxes, but I believe that many folks are going to be surprised by how much collective healthcare costs will hit them in the form of taxes and copays. Especially those who are not used to paying much.....those who really are under served now. The IRS will collect!
RobM
It will drive healthcare towards single payer even faster especially if there is a public option that vaires from state to state(please be if the state can opt out the standard is the same for every state otherwise people are going tomove from state w/ no healthcare to state w/ it like the Okiesout of the Dust Bowl). The problems you are refereing to overseas are the dynamics of achieving certain types of treatments and surgeries that are amksed by the inablity to pay in this country. Even then some aren't like receivng transplants. Steven Jobs had to pay himself a Tennesee citizenship to find a liver because he could not buy one in CA
morphus
George it's odd you failed to mention: As of July 2009, the Senate heath care bill had 160 Republican amendments. The lack of "Bipartisanship" meme is just another infotainment meme. And, opposition from the Party of "No" serves only one purpose, create the impression there is still a two party system
morphus
In a ruling that has grabbed the attention of the product liability and telecommunications bars, the D.C. Court of Appeals last week revived a series of lawsuits by individuals who say they were harmed by cell phone radiation, reversing a lower court decision that found the claims were blocked by federal law.
The court's opinion in Murray v. Motorola added yet another wrinkle to a debate within U.S. courts over whether national regulations trump state laws when it comes to issues surrounding cell phone safety. In dismissing parts of the cases while preserving others, including a set of consumer protection claims, the decision gave both sides of the case fodder to declare victory. But while the plaintiffs still have a long road before getting to a jury, some lawyers familiar with the decision said the ruling could lead to the filing of even more suits against cell phone companies in Washington's trial court.
"My sense on this is it's probably not good for either side [the telecom companies or potential plaintiffs], because it means more litigation," said Stewart Baker, a partner with Steptoe & Johnson in Washington who specializes in telecommunications law. "It doesn't put a stake in their heart so thoroughly that the plaintiffs' lawyers will just abandon [the issue], but it doesn't create much of an incentive to settle either."
The six cases at issue, filed in 2001 and 2002, target some of the biggest names in the wireless industry, including Verizon, Motorola, AT&T, Sprint and Nokia among others, who in turn have recruited a battery of big-name defense firms. Washington-based Wiley Rein partner Andrew McBride argued before the appeals court on behalf of the defendants in January. Other firms involved include Shook, Hardy & Bacon, O'Melveny & Myers, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, Greenberg Traurig, Dickstein Shapiro, King & Spalding, Kilpatrick Stockton, Drinker Biddle & Reath and more.
The plaintiffs allege they suffered illnesses and injuries including brain cancer due to radiation from their mobile phones, and that the wireless companies' marketing misled them into believing their products were completely safe. They also claim that their phones failed to meet Federal Communications Commission regulations limiting the amount of radio frequency radiation they can emit. In 2007, Judge Cheryl Long of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia dismissed the suits, reasoning that the claims, which were made based on D.C. law, were pre-empted by the Federal Communications Act of 1996.
The appeals court agreed, but only in part. Writing for a three judge panel Oct. 29, Judge Phyllis Thompson found that the plaintiffs could not pursue claims that they were injured by phones which met the FCC's emissions standards. Doing so, she wrote, would upset the agency's policy goal of creating "a proper balance between the need to protect the public and workers from exposure to excessive [radiation] and the need to allow communications services to readily address growing marketplace demands." Thompson's opinion was joined by Judges Noel Kramer and John Fisher.
I believe there's something to this, so I'm glad the case will go forward. I believe that the research COULD be out there, if there was sincere WILL to investigate this. but, there's too much money, so no one is REALLY investigating this.
morphus
Several reports exist in foreign medical journals. Product protection has been strong in U.S. Level of product protection was evident from a huge uproar in 2008 when PA doctor advised staff and close contacts to stop using cellular phone.
morphus
The Senate’s Standing Committee on Interior on Monday sought a report from the Interior Ministry on the activities of private US security firm Blackwater in Pakistan.
Senator Talha Mehmood, chairing a committee meeting at Parliament House, also sought a report on the total number of US diplomats and other citizens in the country.
Earlier, Interior Ministry officials told the body that 284 “special Americans”, including US diplomats, were residing in 414 houses in Islamabad.
Mehmood told the committee that a US national, recruiting agents for Blackwater in the guise of an NGO, was expelled, but was allowed to return to Pakistan in less than two months. He asked the ministry to inform the body about the person who allowed the US citizen to come back to Pakistan.
The Islamabad deputy commissioner told the committee that road blocks in front of Marriott and Serena hotels would end by November 14.
On October 30, the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Interior expressed concern over the presence of US private security agency Blackwater in Pakistan and asked the Interior Ministry to submit a report on the matter to the panel.
Pakistan Senate body seeks report on BlackwaterU.S. has Blackwater presence in Pakistan, they can guide the unmanned drones. Besides, a Blackwater employee performing same job as U.S. solider earns upwards to %500 more per day.
Can "we" bring our troops home now?
rikyrah
THIS could get interesting.
morphus
After weeks of speculation on Wall Street, prosecutors brought a fresh round of insider trading charges on Thursday that left no doubt they were aiming at hedge funds and the networks of market gossip that are endemic on trading floors.
The charges, against 14 money managers, lawyers and other investors, followed the arrest last month of a hedge fund billionaire, Raj Rajaratnam, on charges that he had profited from inside information.
14 Charged With Insider Trading in Galleon CaseAfter following months of reports about Goldman Sachs using insider information. selling bonds and betting against them, and using trading software to manipulate trades, one start to believe using insider information was NOT illegal and receiving $$billion$$ in bonuses for this activity was OK. So ... Rajaratnam and others may go to jail simply because they are not GS?
rikyrah
I'm still waiting for the train of people to be arrested in the MADOFF CASE.
morphus
Genuine investigations into subprime would be a plus.
morphus
Looks like the demonstrators really are serious about storming the Congressional barricades.
A dozen people were arrested this afternoon in or just outside of Nancy Pelosi’s office, some for unlawful entry and others for disorderly conduct, the Capitol Police confirm, adding that some of the arrested were throwing papers around.
Four demonstrators were arrested for refusing to leave her office in the Canon House Office Building, and eight more were arrested for unlawful or disorderly conduct, Capitol Police spokesperson Kimberly Schneider tells our reporter, Amanda Erickson.
Apparently those who were arrested outside her office were also throwing papers in the hallway, the spokesperson says. It couldn’t immediately be determined what sort of papers the demonstrators were tossing or why the paperwork ticked them off.
This is less serious than arrests at Pelosi’s office in the Capitol itself would have been, but a dozen for unlawful entry and disorderly conduct is definitely noteworthy. More soon.
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Update: Pelosi spokesperson Drew Hammill confirms that the demonstrators were Operation Rescue people and that they were shredding copies of the health care bill.
Reporters asked a dozen questions, and for some reason, they only were interested in talking about the first major health care reform bill in legislative history to get within striking distance of law.
This outrageous media conspiracy to black out legitimate dissent on behalf of The One just shows you how corrupt and out of touch these elites really are.
"According to the U.S. Capitol Police, officers arrested nine protesters in Sen. Joe Lieberman’s office just after 10 a.m. today inside the Hart Senate Office Building."
Wackos because they are going after Lieberman?
AxelFoley
I hope they lock 'em up.
morphus
A controversial history lesson left parents and teachers upset in Union County. The teachers plan to write letters to leaders at the historic Latta Plantation about their disapproval of a hands-on history lesson during a Rea View Elementary class trip Wednesday.
During a lesson on the Civil War, tour guide Ian Campbell, made black students pretend to be slaves in front of their white classmates.
Campbell said he's been a historian for more than 15 years. "I am very enthusiastic about getting kids to think about how people did things in 1860, 1861, even before that period."
One parent said Campbell took his enthusiasm too far when he picked three black elementary school children out of a group of mostly white students to play the role of cotton picking slaves during a his hands-on history lesson. The parent says the students were also made to wear bags used to gather cotton around their necks.
Campbell said, "I was trying to be historically correct not politically correct."
I'm not a big fan of "sensitivity training" because it's mostly "PC" training, BUT this teacher needs some unpaid leave and sensitivity training, just after being locked in a room with those parents. I want to be in that room too. That's just stoooopid, and I hope it's only stupidity.
ch555x
...and about 1/3 of the white students also need bags, but label them as "servants" or "the poor". Take at least one black kid out of the bunch and label him "freedman" or "explorer" and divide the rest into "citizens", "criminals", and "upper crust" (pro & anti). If you're going to tell HIS-story, don't cherry pick it! Weak and "peculiar" history lesson...
JeffL
Peculiar indeed. Those kids need a new teacher. In addition to your good suggestions if they must teach in this manner they should be willing to educate white kids a little something about what slavery might feel like and one that can do the math. In 1860, there was at least one slave for every white person in NC.
rorysmomma
they better be really glad that my babies were not on that field trip. I guess when they go somewhere me and daddy will almost always be underfoot.
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