<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Evening Open Thread</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:58:52 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: US Electric Contractors</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-597247</link> <dc:creator>US Electric Contractors</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:14:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-597247</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;[...]Good firms will generate a lot of word-of-mouth publicity[...]...&lt;/strong&gt;When times are good word of mouth works best! 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Payday loan services[...]&#8230;</strong></p><p>Settlement Cash Advances&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GreenLadyHere</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-345803</link> <dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:29:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-345803</guid> <description>rikyrah:  ABSOLUTELY!!  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their COLLECTION has been elevated.  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;THIS is a GOOD THING!!  :&gt;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  ABSOLUTELY!!  :&gt;)</p><p>Their COLLECTION has been elevated.  :&gt;)</p><p>THIS is a GOOD THING!!  :&gt;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GreenLadyHere</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311947</link> <dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:29:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311947</guid> <description>rikyrah:  ABSOLUTELY!!  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their COLLECTION has been elevated.  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;THIS is a GOOD THING!!  :&gt;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  ABSOLUTELY!!  :&gt;)</p><p>Their COLLECTION has been elevated.  :&gt;)</p><p>THIS is a GOOD THING!!  :&gt;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311686</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:36:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311686</guid> <description>&quot;but Kirchick—Kirchick is the Eddie Haskell of neoconservatives, a calculating little suck-up whose obsequious pieties drip like melted plastic.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LMAO!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but Kirchick—Kirchick is the Eddie Haskell of neoconservatives, a calculating little suck-up whose obsequious pieties drip like melted plastic.&#8221;</p><p>LMAO!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311684</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:35:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311684</guid> <description>Let &#039;em try to play that card.  Please do.  Everything they try to stick to Obama backfires on them, and this will, too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let &#39;em try to play that card.  Please do.  Everything they try to stick to Obama backfires on them, and this will, too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AxelFoley</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311685</link> <dc:creator>AxelFoley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311685</guid> <description>Am I the only one who thinks the last time Tracy was funny was when he was Hustle Man on &quot;Martin&quot;?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who thinks the last time Tracy was funny was when he was Hustle Man on &#8220;Martin&#8221;?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311657</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:43:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311657</guid> <description>that is terrific for the Museum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is terrific for the Museum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GreenLadyHere</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311656</link> <dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:30:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311656</guid> <description>rikyrah:  Why- - just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commentnation.com/comments/thanks_red_glitter_heart.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THANK U VERY MUCH!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;   :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know that this is at the end of the day, BUT, i wanted 2 RECOGNIZE - - -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2009/11/10/black-wwii-pilot-gives-museum-gold-medal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Black WWII pilot gives museum Gold Medal&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;A black WWII Air Force fighter pilot from Dayton, Ohio, is set to donate his Congressional Gold Medal to an African-American museum, museum officials said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Charles Williams, 93, a member of the Tuskegee Airmen and along with fellow black pilots, flew escorts to protect U.S. bomber planes on combat missions, the Dayton Daily News reported Monday.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Afro-American Museum in Wilberforce, Ohio, will also receive signed photo posters of Williams and of other Tuskegee Airmen pilots. Williams had already donated one of his uniforms to the museum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The artifacts will be displayed permanently at the museum, Floyd Thomas, its curator, said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tuskegee Airmen were trained at the Tuskegee Institute, Ala., and other locations as black Americans finally got the chance to fly for the United States in World War II, Williams said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“They didn’t want the black man to fly, to begin with,” Williams said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Tuskegee pilots eventually flew on combat missions, and were called the “Red-Tailed Angels” for their custom of painting the tails of their planes red, the newspaper reported.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Annnnnnd,  - - - -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/325747/the_national_afroamerican_museum_and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;The National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center in Wilberforce, Ohio, Near Dayton &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Visitors Can Learn About African American Life, Music, and How the Right to Vote was Won&lt;br&gt;In Wilberforce, Ohio, near Dayton, visitors to the National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center can learn more about how Jim Crow laws kept African Americans from professional sports, see vivid pictures that show what it was like for African Americans before they received the right&lt;br&gt; to vote in America, learn about African American music, and many other things that affected many Americans. The museum offers a variety of programs exhibits, research and publications, visiting scholars, oral and visual history, and children&#039;s educational activities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A permanent exhibit, FromVictory To Freedom: Afro-American Life in the Fifties, demonstrates African American experiences in America&#039;s history from 1945 with the ending of World War II, to 1965 with passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1964. Visitors can learn more about trends, struggles, and social changes that occurred during this period in history. Not only are photographs and artifacts on display, but also life-sized scenes that depict &quot;typical&quot; life during the period. Examples of the life-sized displays include a barber shop, a beauty salon, and a church interior, including pews, pulpit, and choir stand. Recorded speaking voices and gospel music make the exhibit more real. The exhibit also includes clothes, jewelry, consumer and sports equipment, and other items.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the center of the exhibit in the National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center is a small theater, which shows the award-winning 27-minute video, Music as a Metaphor. The video traces the origins African American music its roots in Africa to the 1950&#039;s. Music explored includes protest music, gospel, jazz, bebop, and classical. Featured artists include Fats Domino, Paul Robeson, Dizzy Gillespie, and others.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;THERE IS MORE&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/places/sw13/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;The National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center in Wilberforce, Ohio, Near Dayton &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;The National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center near Dayton aims to educate the public about African American history and culture from African origins to the present through a variety of programs, including museum exhibits, research and publications, visiting scholars, oral and visual history and adult and children&#039;s educational activities.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;THANK YOU - - Charles Williams, 93, a member of the Tuskegee Airmen&lt;/b&gt;  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;God Bless U!!  :&gt;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  Why- &#8211; just <a href="http://www.commentnation.com/comments/thanks_red_glitter_heart.gif" rel="nofollow">THANK U VERY MUCH!</a> :&gt;)</p><p>I know that this is at the end of the day, BUT, i wanted 2 RECOGNIZE &#8211; - -</p><p><a href="http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2009/11/10/black-wwii-pilot-gives-museum-gold-medal/" rel="nofollow"><b>Black WWII pilot gives museum Gold Medal</b></a></p><p><i><b>A black WWII Air Force fighter pilot from Dayton, Ohio, is set to donate his Congressional Gold Medal to an African-American museum, museum officials said.</p><p>Charles Williams, 93, a member of the Tuskegee Airmen and along with fellow black pilots, flew escorts to protect U.S. bomber planes on combat missions, the Dayton Daily News reported Monday.</b></p><p>The Afro-American Museum in Wilberforce, Ohio, will also receive signed photo posters of Williams and of other Tuskegee Airmen pilots. Williams had already donated one of his uniforms to the museum.</p><p>The artifacts will be displayed permanently at the museum, Floyd Thomas, its curator, said.</p><p>Tuskegee Airmen were trained at the Tuskegee Institute, Ala., and other locations as black Americans finally got the chance to fly for the United States in World War II, Williams said.</p><p>“They didn’t want the black man to fly, to begin with,” Williams said.</p><p>The Tuskegee pilots eventually flew on combat missions, and were called the “Red-Tailed Angels” for their custom of painting the tails of their planes red, the newspaper reported.</i></p><p>Annnnnnd,  &#8211; - &#8211; -</p><p><a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/325747/the_national_afroamerican_museum_and.html" rel="nofollow"><b>The National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center in Wilberforce, Ohio, Near Dayton </b></a></p><p><i>Visitors Can Learn About African American Life, Music, and How the Right to Vote was Won<br />In Wilberforce, Ohio, near Dayton, visitors to the National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center can learn more about how Jim Crow laws kept African Americans from professional sports, see vivid pictures that show what it was like for African Americans before they received the right<br /> to vote in America, learn about African American music, and many other things that affected many Americans. The museum offers a variety of programs exhibits, research and publications, visiting scholars, oral and visual history, and children&#39;s educational activities.</p><p>A permanent exhibit, FromVictory To Freedom: Afro-American Life in the Fifties, demonstrates African American experiences in America&#39;s history from 1945 with the ending of World War II, to 1965 with passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1964. Visitors can learn more about trends, struggles, and social changes that occurred during this period in history. Not only are photographs and artifacts on display, but also life-sized scenes that depict &#8220;typical&#8221; life during the period. Examples of the life-sized displays include a barber shop, a beauty salon, and a church interior, including pews, pulpit, and choir stand. Recorded speaking voices and gospel music make the exhibit more real. The exhibit also includes clothes, jewelry, consumer and sports equipment, and other items.</p><p>In the center of the exhibit in the National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center is a small theater, which shows the award-winning 27-minute video, Music as a Metaphor. The video traces the origins African American music its roots in Africa to the 1950&#39;s. Music explored includes protest music, gospel, jazz, bebop, and classical. Featured artists include Fats Domino, Paul Robeson, Dizzy Gillespie, and others.</i><br /><b>THERE IS MORE</b></p><p><a href="http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/places/sw13/index.shtml" rel="nofollow"><b>The National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center in Wilberforce, Ohio, Near Dayton </b></a></p><p><i>The National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center near Dayton aims to educate the public about African American history and culture from African origins to the present through a variety of programs, including museum exhibits, research and publications, visiting scholars, oral and visual history and adult and children&#39;s educational activities.</i></p><p><b>THANK YOU &#8211; - Charles Williams, 93, a member of the Tuskegee Airmen</b> :&gt;)</p><p>God Bless U!!  :&gt;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Angelar</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311655</link> <dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:24:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311655</guid> <description>I took your suggestion....still....humor?   don&#039;t see it at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took your suggestion&#8230;.still&#8230;.humor?   don&#39;t see it at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311648</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:56:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311648</guid> <description>Raise Your Glass High&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;by John Cole&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let’s have a big round of applause for Joe Klein:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Now that’s a panel discussion! A heated debate between Time magazine’s Joe Klein and the New Republic’s Jamie Kirchick spilled off the dais Tuesday into a hallway confrontation where Klein called the younger pundit a “dishonest [expletive]” and a “[expletiving] propagandist.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Klein told us today he’s not sure he uttered the “propagandist” bit—heard by a few witnesses—but stands by the “dishonest [expletive]” part.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    “Absolutely. He’s a [expletive],” Klein, 62, told us. “He’s 25 years old, and he’s one of those people who has opinions but no facts or experience.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, Kirchick is perfect in his role as Marty Peretz’s jockstrap.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I’m sure the Weekly Standard and Commentary magazine will spend the next week explaining how this makes Joe Klein a self-hating jew. Joe may not be perfect, but he is on the side of angels when it comes to these assholes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And as a fellow heater, I understand Joe and appreciate it, even when I disagree with him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John +5&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*** Update ***&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wolcott:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Klein may have his flaws and vanities, a plethora of less than charming polemical traits, but Kirchick—Kirchick is the Eddie Haskell of neoconservatives, a calculating little suck-up whose obsequious pieties drip like melted plastic. (To wit: “Reached for comment, Kirchick said ‘McCain spent five years in a North Vietnamese torture camp. He doesn’t need lessons in the horrors of war from the likes of Joe Klein.’”) If Commentary made a lunch box, Kirchick is what you find packed inside, between a banana and a hand grenade. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brilliant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29657&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29657&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raise Your Glass High</p><p>by John Cole</p><p>Let’s have a big round of applause for Joe Klein:</p><p> Now that’s a panel discussion! A heated debate between Time magazine’s Joe Klein and the New Republic’s Jamie Kirchick spilled off the dais Tuesday into a hallway confrontation where Klein called the younger pundit a “dishonest [expletive]” and a “[expletiving] propagandist.”</p><p> Klein told us today he’s not sure he uttered the “propagandist” bit—heard by a few witnesses—but stands by the “dishonest [expletive]” part.</p><p> “Absolutely. He’s a [expletive],” Klein, 62, told us. “He’s 25 years old, and he’s one of those people who has opinions but no facts or experience.”</p><p>In other words, Kirchick is perfect in his role as Marty Peretz’s jockstrap.</p><p>I’m sure the Weekly Standard and Commentary magazine will spend the next week explaining how this makes Joe Klein a self-hating jew. Joe may not be perfect, but he is on the side of angels when it comes to these assholes.</p><p>And as a fellow heater, I understand Joe and appreciate it, even when I disagree with him.</p><p>John +5</p><p>*** Update ***</p><p>Wolcott:</p><p> Klein may have his flaws and vanities, a plethora of less than charming polemical traits, but Kirchick—Kirchick is the Eddie Haskell of neoconservatives, a calculating little suck-up whose obsequious pieties drip like melted plastic. (To wit: “Reached for comment, Kirchick said ‘McCain spent five years in a North Vietnamese torture camp. He doesn’t need lessons in the horrors of war from the likes of Joe Klein.’”) If Commentary made a lunch box, Kirchick is what you find packed inside, between a banana and a hand grenade.</p><p>Brilliant.</p><p><a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29657" rel="nofollow">http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29657</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chris_i_am</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311641</link> <dc:creator>chris_i_am</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:18:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311641</guid> <description>Girl go over to &lt;A href=&quot;http://towleroad.com/&quot; rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Towleroad.com&lt;/A&gt; and see how the gays are re-acting to this.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The Gay KKK....SMDH!&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Girl go over to <a href="http://towleroad.com/" rel=nofollow rel="nofollow">Towleroad.com</a> and see how the gays are re-acting to this.</p><p>The Gay KKK&#8230;.SMDH!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311627</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:33:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311627</guid> <description>Source: Rev. Moon Son Went Rogue In Ordering Wash Times Shakeup&lt;br&gt;Justin Elliott &#124; November 11, 2009, 3:21PM&lt;br&gt;Hyun-jin Preston Moon, the son of Unification Church leader Rev. Sun Myung Moon who controls the Washington Times, acted without his father&#039;s blessing in firing the top leadership of the newspaper over the weekend, a Unificationist and former Times staffer who is in contact with high church officials tells TPM.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Preston&#039;s reasons for carrying out the shakeup are not clear to the source, but &quot;one thing that is clear is that he acted alone. This is not something the Reverend Moon wanted, ever.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A newsroom source told us yesterday that Preston fired the executives, all members of the church, when they sided with his father in a feud over the doling out of Rev. Moon&#039;s religio-business empire in ways not to the liking of Preston.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, more details about the ongoing conflict -- which may put the future of the newspaper at risk -- are coming to light.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s unclear how intertwined the internal family dispute, which centers on Preston&#039;s anger at the selection of his young brother Hyung-jin Moon as Rev. Moon&#039;s heir apparent, is with the paper&#039;s lack of financial sustainability. That problem was cited by the Washington Times in the press release announcing the firings over the weekend. The operations of the paper have been heavily subsidized by the church since the Times&#039; founding as an anti-communist outlet in the early 1980s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Unificationist source tells us the feud dates back at least to a January birthday party for Rev. Moon at the church-owned Manhattan Center on 34th Street in New York. At that event, Rev. Moon designated Hyung-jin as the church&#039;s new leader. But Preston has &quot;refused to acknowledge the authority of his younger brother&quot; and &quot;refused to comply with guidance from his father,&quot; the source says&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/source-moon-son-went-rogue-to-order-wash-times-shakeup.php?ref=mp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/1...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Source: Rev. Moon Son Went Rogue In Ordering Wash Times Shakeup<br />Justin Elliott | November 11, 2009, 3:21PM<br />Hyun-jin Preston Moon, the son of Unification Church leader Rev. Sun Myung Moon who controls the Washington Times, acted without his father&#39;s blessing in firing the top leadership of the newspaper over the weekend, a Unificationist and former Times staffer who is in contact with high church officials tells TPM.</p><p>Preston&#39;s reasons for carrying out the shakeup are not clear to the source, but &#8220;one thing that is clear is that he acted alone. This is not something the Reverend Moon wanted, ever.&#8221;</p><p>A newsroom source told us yesterday that Preston fired the executives, all members of the church, when they sided with his father in a feud over the doling out of Rev. Moon&#39;s religio-business empire in ways not to the liking of Preston.</p><p>Now, more details about the ongoing conflict &#8212; which may put the future of the newspaper at risk &#8212; are coming to light.</p><p>It&#39;s unclear how intertwined the internal family dispute, which centers on Preston&#39;s anger at the selection of his young brother Hyung-jin Moon as Rev. Moon&#39;s heir apparent, is with the paper&#39;s lack of financial sustainability. That problem was cited by the Washington Times in the press release announcing the firings over the weekend. The operations of the paper have been heavily subsidized by the church since the Times&#39; founding as an anti-communist outlet in the early 1980s.</p><p>The Unificationist source tells us the feud dates back at least to a January birthday party for Rev. Moon at the church-owned Manhattan Center on 34th Street in New York. At that event, Rev. Moon designated Hyung-jin as the church&#39;s new leader. But Preston has &#8220;refused to acknowledge the authority of his younger brother&#8221; and &#8220;refused to comply with guidance from his father,&#8221; the source says</p><p><a href="http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/source-moon-son-went-rogue-to-order-wash-times-shakeup.php?ref=mp" rel="nofollow">http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/1&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311623</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:30:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311623</guid> <description>Think The Stupak Amendment Is Bad Now? It Could Have Been Worse&lt;br&gt;Brian Beutler &#124; November 11, 2009, 2:57PM&lt;br&gt;Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) sits on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which voted way back in July to advance health care legislation to the House floor. At the time, the legislation stipulated that no federal funds authorized by the bill would be used to pay for abortions, except in cases of incest, risk to the life of the mother, and rape. And at the time, that was good enough.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But even back then, Stupak was trying to strengthen the language in the bill restricting the availability of abortion services under the House health care plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A day before the bill passed out of committee, Stupak co-sponsored, and voted for an amendment written by Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA)--distinct from the now notorious &quot;Stupak amendment&quot;--that would have limited the government&#039;s ability to include abortions in benefits plans to cases of incest, life of the mother, and forcible rape.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pitts amendment actually passed, 31-27, with the support of several Democrats and all Republicans. But the &quot;forcible&quot; language--legally significant--was a bridge too far.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a parliamentary maneuver, chairman Henry Waxman actually voted &quot;aye&quot;, according to a House aide, in order to retain the prerogative of bringing it up for a second, unsuccessful vote. Between votes, Waxman conferred with some of the bill&#039;s Democratic supporters to convince them to help shoot it down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of them, Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), agreed to flip his vote. Another--Rep. Zack Space (D-IN)--didn&#039;t vote at all the first time around, but voted against it on its second pass. And that was enough to kill it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This past weekend, Stupak succeeded in adding his own, strict abortion language to the bill passed by the full House. Without distinguishing between &quot;rape&quot; and &quot;forcible rape,&quot; the &quot;Stupak amendment&quot; prevents women receiving insurance affordability credits from buying policies that cover abortion. And it has quickly become one of the main focal points of the reform fight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are some signs that Stupak&#039;s pro-life tendencies run even deeper than his amendment indicates. But he&#039;s also shown a willingness to advance legislation, even if it isn&#039;t as pro-life as he&#039;d like.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stupak&#039;s office has not respond to a request for an interview.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/stupak-sought-to-limit-abortions-to-cases-of-forcible-rape-in-health-care-reform.php#more&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/stup...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think The Stupak Amendment Is Bad Now? It Could Have Been Worse<br />Brian Beutler | November 11, 2009, 2:57PM<br />Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) sits on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which voted way back in July to advance health care legislation to the House floor. At the time, the legislation stipulated that no federal funds authorized by the bill would be used to pay for abortions, except in cases of incest, risk to the life of the mother, and rape. And at the time, that was good enough.</p><p>But even back then, Stupak was trying to strengthen the language in the bill restricting the availability of abortion services under the House health care plan.</p><p>A day before the bill passed out of committee, Stupak co-sponsored, and voted for an amendment written by Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA)&#8211;distinct from the now notorious &#8220;Stupak amendment&#8221;&#8211;that would have limited the government&#39;s ability to include abortions in benefits plans to cases of incest, life of the mother, and forcible rape.</p><p>The Pitts amendment actually passed, 31-27, with the support of several Democrats and all Republicans. But the &#8220;forcible&#8221; language&#8211;legally significant&#8211;was a bridge too far.</p><p>In a parliamentary maneuver, chairman Henry Waxman actually voted &#8220;aye&#8221;, according to a House aide, in order to retain the prerogative of bringing it up for a second, unsuccessful vote. Between votes, Waxman conferred with some of the bill&#39;s Democratic supporters to convince them to help shoot it down.</p><p>One of them, Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), agreed to flip his vote. Another&#8211;Rep. Zack Space (D-IN)&#8211;didn&#39;t vote at all the first time around, but voted against it on its second pass. And that was enough to kill it.</p><p>This past weekend, Stupak succeeded in adding his own, strict abortion language to the bill passed by the full House. Without distinguishing between &#8220;rape&#8221; and &#8220;forcible rape,&#8221; the &#8220;Stupak amendment&#8221; prevents women receiving insurance affordability credits from buying policies that cover abortion. And it has quickly become one of the main focal points of the reform fight.</p><p>There are some signs that Stupak&#39;s pro-life tendencies run even deeper than his amendment indicates. But he&#39;s also shown a willingness to advance legislation, even if it isn&#39;t as pro-life as he&#39;d like.</p><p>Stupak&#39;s office has not respond to a request for an interview.</p><p><a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/stupak-sought-to-limit-abortions-to-cases-of-forcible-rape-in-health-care-reform.php#more" rel="nofollow">http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/stup&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311618</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:21:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311618</guid> <description>Senate aide: Dems hush-hush on Carper&#039;s &#039;triggered co-ops&#039; to avoid progressive pushback Hotlist&lt;br&gt;by Jed Lewison&lt;br&gt;Digg this! Share this on Twitter - Senate aide: Dems hush-hush on Carper&#039;s &#039;triggered co-ops&#039; to avoid progressive pushbackTweet this submit to reddit Share This&lt;br&gt;Wed Nov 11, 2009 at 02:15:20 PM PST&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was a revealing final paragraph of Congress Daily&#039;s article about Tom Carper&#039;s plan to replace the public option with what amounts to state-level triggered co-ops (emphasis added):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    The Democratic aide said staffers have tried to keep Carper&#039;s alternative quiet due to concerns that publicity could draw attacks from liberal activists, which could complicate efforts to line up support from the full Democratic caucus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given that Carper&#039;s plan -- which would create a series of state-level non-profit insurance carriers in states without competition -- is actually worse than co-ops (because they&#039;d only be created in the case of a trigger), it&#039;s not surprising that Democrats would fear the reaction from liberals. No shock there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what is interesting is that they are afraid that pushback from progressives could scuttle Carper&#039;s plan to kill the public option. Even though they may be stupid enough to think that they can pull the wool over our eyes, they at least realize they need to keep us happy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s mystifying is that they would thinks a strategy of &quot;shh, don&#039;t tell the progressives&quot; is an effective way of accomplishing that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/11/803359/-Senate-aide:-Dems-hush-hush-on-Carpers-triggered-co-ops-to-avoid-progressive-pushback&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/11/803359...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senate aide: Dems hush-hush on Carper&#39;s &#39;triggered co-ops&#39; to avoid progressive pushback Hotlist<br />by Jed Lewison<br />Digg this! Share this on Twitter &#8211; Senate aide: Dems hush-hush on Carper&#39;s &#39;triggered co-ops&#39; to avoid progressive pushbackTweet this submit to reddit Share This<br />Wed Nov 11, 2009 at 02:15:20 PM PST</p><p>This was a revealing final paragraph of Congress Daily&#39;s article about Tom Carper&#39;s plan to replace the public option with what amounts to state-level triggered co-ops (emphasis added):</p><p> The Democratic aide said staffers have tried to keep Carper&#39;s alternative quiet due to concerns that publicity could draw attacks from liberal activists, which could complicate efforts to line up support from the full Democratic caucus.</p><p>Given that Carper&#39;s plan &#8212; which would create a series of state-level non-profit insurance carriers in states without competition &#8212; is actually worse than co-ops (because they&#39;d only be created in the case of a trigger), it&#39;s not surprising that Democrats would fear the reaction from liberals. No shock there.</p><p>But what is interesting is that they are afraid that pushback from progressives could scuttle Carper&#39;s plan to kill the public option. Even though they may be stupid enough to think that they can pull the wool over our eyes, they at least realize they need to keep us happy.</p><p>What&#39;s mystifying is that they would thinks a strategy of &#8220;shh, don&#39;t tell the progressives&#8221; is an effective way of accomplishing that.</p><p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/11/803359/-Senate-aide:-Dems-hush-hush-on-Carpers-triggered-co-ops-to-avoid-progressive-pushback" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/11/803359&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JeffL</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311612</link> <dc:creator>JeffL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:02:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311612</guid> <description>Thanks for that article.  It suggests to me that Amb. Eikenberry is saying we need to use whatever situation at hand to press for faster accomplishment of the political goals that the Obama administration announce in Sept.  I like that the article at least acknowledges that there is a civilian run development project part to this as well.  Too many discussions boil down to a numbers game about troops.  While understandable, it is myopic.  This really caught my eye:&lt;br&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br&gt;&quot;General Eikenberry has been an energetic envoy, traveling widely around Afghanistan to meet with tribal leaders and to inspect American development projects.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He has been pushing the State Department for additional civilian personnel in the country, including in areas like agriculture, where the United States wants to help wean farmers off cultivating poppies. The State Department has tried to accommodate his requests, according to a senior official, but has turned down some because of budget constraints and its desire to cap the overall number of civilians in Afghanistan at roughly 1,000.&quot;&lt;br&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br&gt;Does anyone else find it odd that State Dept is somehow compelled to cap civilian presence at 1,000 but many in the military have no qualms about asking for 40,000 troops?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We &quot;won the war&quot; there.  We displaced bin Laden and kicked the Taliban out of power.  But winning the peace requires different emphasis, resources and strategies - and it is not all about the military.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that article.  It suggests to me that Amb. Eikenberry is saying we need to use whatever situation at hand to press for faster accomplishment of the political goals that the Obama administration announce in Sept.  I like that the article at least acknowledges that there is a civilian run development project part to this as well.  Too many discussions boil down to a numbers game about troops.  While understandable, it is myopic.  This really caught my eye:<br />~~~~~~~~~~~<br />&#8220;General Eikenberry has been an energetic envoy, traveling widely around Afghanistan to meet with tribal leaders and to inspect American development projects.</p><p>He has been pushing the State Department for additional civilian personnel in the country, including in areas like agriculture, where the United States wants to help wean farmers off cultivating poppies. The State Department has tried to accommodate his requests, according to a senior official, but has turned down some because of budget constraints and its desire to cap the overall number of civilians in Afghanistan at roughly 1,000.&#8221;<br />~~~~~~~~~~~<br />Does anyone else find it odd that State Dept is somehow compelled to cap civilian presence at 1,000 but many in the military have no qualms about asking for 40,000 troops?</p><p>We &#8220;won the war&#8221; there.  We displaced bin Laden and kicked the Taliban out of power.  But winning the peace requires different emphasis, resources and strategies &#8211; and it is not all about the military.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311606</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:01:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311606</guid> <description>Wednesday, November 11, 2009&lt;br&gt;Republicans Hope to Cash In On Ft. Hood Tragedy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Republicans Trying to Use Ft. Hood Tragedy for Political Gain&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A more complete picture of the Ft. Hood shooter has come to light over the past week. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan appears to have been driven by a sort of perfect storm of motivations for a mass killer. He was the worst kind of ticking time bomb IMO.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It appears that Hasan&#039;s actions were driven in part by mental issues as well as by disaffection for his Country and at least some sympathy for an extremist Islamic ideology. A terrorist? Sure, but anyone who commits mass murder is a terrorist to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Republicans have seized on this massacre, not because they are concerned with the safety of U.S. troops. Most of these GOP cowards couldn&#039;t care less about American soldiers. What they have been concerned about mostly is the word &quot;terrorism&quot;. Why? Because officially calling it a terrorist attack would fit the narrative that they have all been waiting for. Once this incident is called a terrorist attack, it gives the GOP the opportunity to attack President Obama, and call this the first terrorist attack since 9/11 (which it isn&#039;t by the way). They will be able to feed certain talking points to American voters...like &quot;we told you so&quot;....&quot;we told you this would happen if Obama became President&quot;. It falls right into their phony argument that Obama and Democrats are weak on Terror.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2009/11/republicans-hope-to-cash-in-on-ft-hood.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2009/11/rep...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wednesday, November 11, 2009<br />Republicans Hope to Cash In On Ft. Hood Tragedy</p><p>Republicans Trying to Use Ft. Hood Tragedy for Political Gain</p><p>A more complete picture of the Ft. Hood shooter has come to light over the past week. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan appears to have been driven by a sort of perfect storm of motivations for a mass killer. He was the worst kind of ticking time bomb IMO.</p><p>It appears that Hasan&#39;s actions were driven in part by mental issues as well as by disaffection for his Country and at least some sympathy for an extremist Islamic ideology. A terrorist? Sure, but anyone who commits mass murder is a terrorist to me.</p><p>Republicans have seized on this massacre, not because they are concerned with the safety of U.S. troops. Most of these GOP cowards couldn&#39;t care less about American soldiers. What they have been concerned about mostly is the word &#8220;terrorism&#8221;. Why? Because officially calling it a terrorist attack would fit the narrative that they have all been waiting for. Once this incident is called a terrorist attack, it gives the GOP the opportunity to attack President Obama, and call this the first terrorist attack since 9/11 (which it isn&#39;t by the way). They will be able to feed certain talking points to American voters&#8230;like &#8220;we told you so&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;we told you this would happen if Obama became President&#8221;. It falls right into their phony argument that Obama and Democrats are weak on Terror.</p><p><a href="http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2009/11/republicans-hope-to-cash-in-on-ft-hood.html" rel="nofollow">http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2009/11/rep&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Angelar</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311607</link> <dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:01:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311607</guid> <description>decorating tips from the Obama&#039;s decorator.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;...&lt;br&gt;What can you tell us about decorating for the Obamas at the White House? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have so many high-profile clients. It breaks the trust issue to discuss them. . . . Working at the White House has been an extraordinary experience, an honor. The Obamas are so thoughtful, engaged and intellectually interested in so many diverse things....&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/10/AR2009111013393_3.html?sid=ST2009111126785&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>decorating tips from the Obama&#39;s decorator.</p><p>&#8220;&#8230;<br />What can you tell us about decorating for the Obamas at the White House?</p><p>I have so many high-profile clients. It breaks the trust issue to discuss them. . . . Working at the White House has been an extraordinary experience, an honor. The Obamas are so thoughtful, engaged and intellectually interested in so many diverse things&#8230;.&#8221;</p><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/10/AR2009111013393_3.html?sid=ST2009111126785" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311611</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:00:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311611</guid> <description>and talking about hos this is PROOF THAT ALL DEMOCRATS ARE DEVIANTS.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;tell me about it. they would SO have this guy&#039;s picture plastered on tv, coast to coast.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and talking about hos this is PROOF THAT ALL DEMOCRATS ARE DEVIANTS.</p><p>tell me about it. they would SO have this guy&#39;s picture plastered on tv, coast to coast.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-130/comment-page-1/#comment-311610</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:59:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=16849#comment-311610</guid> <description>no cursing = clean comic. &lt;br&gt;yes, for some Tracy is considered humorous.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no cursing = clean comic. <br />yes, for some Tracy is considered humorous.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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