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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One marijuana bill yes, one gay rights bill no, one gay rights bill yes, one governor actualy glad he lost, one state about to go backwards(VA) one more house seat Democratic(NY). On the whole it was a good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One marijuana bill yes, one gay rights bill no, one gay rights bill yes, one governor actualy glad he lost, one state about to go backwards(VA) one more house seat Democratic(NY). On the whole it was a good night.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is that about extending the same rights to gay couples as heterosexual couples? if so, that PASSED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is that about extending the same rights to gay couples as heterosexual couples? if so, that PASSED.</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good one</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any more news on referndum 71 in Washington?</description>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the President&#039;s policies that are likely to make him a one term President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s the President&#39;s policies that are likely to make him a one term President.</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-125/comment-page-1/#comment-308746</link>
		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One marijuana bill yes, one gay rights bill no, one gay rights bill yes, one governor actualy glad he lost, one state about to go backwards(VA) one more house seat Democratic(NY). On the whole it was a good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One marijuana bill yes, one gay rights bill no, one gay rights bill yes, one governor actualy glad he lost, one state about to go backwards(VA) one more house seat Democratic(NY). On the whole it was a good night.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is that about extending the same rights to gay couples as heterosexual couples? if so, that PASSED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is that about extending the same rights to gay couples as heterosexual couples? if so, that PASSED.</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/11/evening-open-thread-125/comment-page-1/#comment-308651</link>
		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good one</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any more news on referndum 71 in Washington?</description>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the President&#039;s policies that are likely to make him a one term President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s the President&#39;s policies that are likely to make him a one term President.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know what the real enemy is -- religious fundamentalism. But GLBT leadership won&#039;t touch it in any real way because they&#039;re too afraid of the fundamentalists calling them exactly what they&#039;re calling them anyway. Until our leaders are willing to take this on unabashed and unapologetically, we will keep falling up short at the ballot box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know what the real enemy is &#8212; religious fundamentalism. But GLBT leadership won&#39;t touch it in any real way because they&#39;re too afraid of the fundamentalists calling them exactly what they&#39;re calling them anyway. Until our leaders are willing to take this on unabashed and unapologetically, we will keep falling up short at the ballot box.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats are going to ensure Obama is a one-term president.</description>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to laugh at Mixner&#039;s analysis. It&#039;s become farcical to blame &quot;non-white&quot; people for the failure of citizen initiatives. Maine is the whitest state in the Union. Does he even know what people consider themselves &quot;non-white&quot; in Maine? I bet he doesn&#039;t. I&#039;ll tell him - a slew of French Canadians who were called niggers when they first emigrated across the border and their ancestors. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lewiston, one of Maine&#039;s population centers, is almost entirely French-Canadian and Catholic. It voted Yes by a 60-40 margin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blame the Catholics, Mixner, if you need to blame somebody.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you don&#039;t, then consider this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The weather yesterday was sunny and warm. The rural vote made the difference. Many rural and small-town precincts had higher voter turnout than for the presidential election.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;High turnout worked against No On 1 because the campaign figured that so many folks from my area and above wouldn&#039;t show up at the polls and the population centers would provide enough cushion against those who did.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blame the weather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to laugh at Mixner&#39;s analysis. It&#39;s become farcical to blame &#8220;non-white&#8221; people for the failure of citizen initiatives. Maine is the whitest state in the Union. Does he even know what people consider themselves &#8220;non-white&#8221; in Maine? I bet he doesn&#39;t. I&#39;ll tell him &#8211; a slew of French Canadians who were called niggers when they first emigrated across the border and their ancestors. </p>
<p>Lewiston, one of Maine&#39;s population centers, is almost entirely French-Canadian and Catholic. It voted Yes by a 60-40 margin.</p>
<p>Blame the Catholics, Mixner, if you need to blame somebody.</p>
<p>If you don&#39;t, then consider this:</p>
<p>The weather yesterday was sunny and warm. The rural vote made the difference. Many rural and small-town precincts had higher voter turnout than for the presidential election.</p>
<p>High turnout worked against No On 1 because the campaign figured that so many folks from my area and above wouldn&#39;t show up at the polls and the population centers would provide enough cushion against those who did.</p>
<p>Blame the weather.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rutabagas. I had the audacity to plant turnips and call them turnips. But Mainers call rutabagas turnips. So all my turnips are going to rot in the root cellar because I didn&#039;t know this bit of quirkiness about my state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yep. It&#039;s all my fault, but it had nothing to do with butterbeans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(smile)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rutabagas. I had the audacity to plant turnips and call them turnips. But Mainers call rutabagas turnips. So all my turnips are going to rot in the root cellar because I didn&#39;t know this bit of quirkiness about my state.</p>
<p>Yep. It&#39;s all my fault, but it had nothing to do with butterbeans.</p>
<p>(smile)</p>
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		<title>By: Micheline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will Democrats learn that backbiting is not helpful. Just because Obama has a different way of doing things doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s incompetent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will Democrats learn that backbiting is not helpful. Just because Obama has a different way of doing things doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: chris_i_am</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris_i_am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Rikyrah this is so sad But Kalamazoo did pass their Gay rights passage Bill so it&#039;s 1 for 1. But I&#039;m not sure if you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://Davidmixner.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Davidmixner.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;This dude was getting angry because they felt President Obama should have said whipped minorites into place to vote in favor of Gay Marriage. This is what Dvaid Mixner said: Obama &#039;No Help&#039; with Anti-Gay Ballot Initiatives. And we won&#039;t forget it should initiatives in Maine and Washington not go our way: &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&quot;So you fully understand the consequences of this administrations actions in the last week, just look at the statistics for Maine voters. In the latest Public Policy Poll yesterday which show us falling behind, they said that 54% of the voters say they supported Obama. Over 9% of the voters described themselves as &#039;non-white&#039;. In that poll 28% of the Obama supporters say they were voting against marriage equality. More importantly, 56% of &#039;non-white&#039; voters said they planned on voting against marriage equality. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&quot;You have to be totally operating on blind faith if you believe that President Obama and his team cannot make a difference. Tragically if we lose closely, that defeat almost can be laid at the steps of the White House for their refusal to stand by our side in the battle for freedom. The Holder remark basically gave those Obama supporters and non-white voters permission to vote against our freedom. The Attorney General let them know that Obama didn&#039;t care one way or another so why should those voters change their votes? He gave their votes respectability which was devastating for our side. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&quot;The failure of our national organizations to obtain a clear cut endorsement for the LGBT community is something that needs to be discussed. This one isn&#039;t rocket science. What happened?&quot;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;This was also posted on &lt;A href=&quot;http://towleroad.com/&quot; rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Towleroad.com&lt;/A&gt; and I&#039;ll just give you a snipet of ones comment about this.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Obama barely advocated for the hate crimes bill; he said he would sign it, big deal.&lt;BR&gt;Even George Bush kept the Ryan White Act going (signed it 12/19/06), so a Democrat doing that is hardly a big deal.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Spare me the litany of what he&#039;s done, because in light of what he hasn&#039;t, he&#039;s no friend to us. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Now Rikyrah I must ask you. Are these some ungrateful bastards or what????&lt;BR&gt;And I&#039;m gay. But the white Gay community has angered me so that it&#039;s pathetic.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Rikyrah this is so sad But Kalamazoo did pass their Gay rights passage Bill so it&#39;s 1 for 1. But I&#39;m not sure if you read <a href="http://Davidmixner.com" rel="nofollow">Davidmixner.com</a><br />This dude was getting angry because they felt President Obama should have said whipped minorites into place to vote in favor of Gay Marriage. This is what Dvaid Mixner said: Obama &#39;No Help&#39; with Anti-Gay Ballot Initiatives. And we won&#39;t forget it should initiatives in Maine and Washington not go our way: </p>
<p>&#8220;So you fully understand the consequences of this administrations actions in the last week, just look at the statistics for Maine voters. In the latest Public Policy Poll yesterday which show us falling behind, they said that 54% of the voters say they supported Obama. Over 9% of the voters described themselves as &#39;non-white&#39;. In that poll 28% of the Obama supporters say they were voting against marriage equality. More importantly, 56% of &#39;non-white&#39; voters said they planned on voting against marriage equality. </p>
<p>&#8220;You have to be totally operating on blind faith if you believe that President Obama and his team cannot make a difference. Tragically if we lose closely, that defeat almost can be laid at the steps of the White House for their refusal to stand by our side in the battle for freedom. The Holder remark basically gave those Obama supporters and non-white voters permission to vote against our freedom. The Attorney General let them know that Obama didn&#39;t care one way or another so why should those voters change their votes? He gave their votes respectability which was devastating for our side. </p>
<p>&#8220;The failure of our national organizations to obtain a clear cut endorsement for the LGBT community is something that needs to be discussed. This one isn&#39;t rocket science. What happened?&#8221;</p>
<p>This was also posted on <a href="http://towleroad.com/" rel=nofollow rel="nofollow">Towleroad.com</a> and I&#39;ll just give you a snipet of ones comment about this.</p>
<p>Obama barely advocated for the hate crimes bill; he said he would sign it, big deal.<br />Even George Bush kept the Ryan White Act going (signed it 12/19/06), so a Democrat doing that is hardly a big deal.</p>
<p>Spare me the litany of what he&#39;s done, because in light of what he hasn&#39;t, he&#39;s no friend to us. </p>
<p>Now Rikyrah I must ask you. Are these some ungrateful bastards or what????<br />And I&#39;m gay. But the white Gay community has angered me so that it&#39;s pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Craig&#039;s fault.  If he had grown some more butterbeans in his yard,none of this would be happening.  We&#039;re doomed.</description>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posted: 2:49 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009&lt;br&gt;U.S. Rep. John Conyers: Obama sucking up to the wrong people&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By DAWSON BELL&lt;br&gt;FREE PRESS LANSING BUREAU&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Barack Obama is “getting bad advice from… clowns” on Afghanistan and “sucking up to the wrong people” on health care, U.S. Rep. John Conyers told a Detroit radio audience this morning, according to show host Rev. Horace Sheffield.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conyers, a Detroit Democrat, made the comments during a discussion about the effects of the economic recession on the urban poor, Sheffield said. The liberal congressman expressed frustration that health care legislation pending in Washington, D.C., was too solicitous of insurance companies and special interests, Sheffield said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“He wasn’t angry. He was just deeply concerned that some of the issues being focused on don’t address the human reality,” said Sheffield, who hosts the program “On The Line” on WGPR-FM radio.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;According to a news release from Sheffield, Conyers said: “President Obama is sucking up to the wrong people and insurance companies as Obama pushed a weak health care package.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Iraq and Afghanistan, Conyers said “President Obama is getting bad advice from those clowns in the White House. We should be ending those wars now. America should be providing food instead of bombs from drones that kill innocent civilians,” the release said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conyers, an early supporter of Obama’s presidential bid in 2007, could not be reached for comment Saturday afternoon. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freep.com/article/20091031/NEWS15/91031018/1008/News06/Conyers-Obama-sucking-up-to-wrong-people&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.freep.com/article/20091031/NEWS15/91...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted: 2:49 p.m. Oct. 31, 2009<br />U.S. Rep. John Conyers: Obama sucking up to the wrong people</p>
<p>By DAWSON BELL<br />FREE PRESS LANSING BUREAU</p>
<p>President Barack Obama is “getting bad advice from… clowns” on Afghanistan and “sucking up to the wrong people” on health care, U.S. Rep. John Conyers told a Detroit radio audience this morning, according to show host Rev. Horace Sheffield.</p>
<p>Conyers, a Detroit Democrat, made the comments during a discussion about the effects of the economic recession on the urban poor, Sheffield said. The liberal congressman expressed frustration that health care legislation pending in Washington, D.C., was too solicitous of insurance companies and special interests, Sheffield said.</p>
<p>“He wasn’t angry. He was just deeply concerned that some of the issues being focused on don’t address the human reality,” said Sheffield, who hosts the program “On The Line” on WGPR-FM radio.</p>
<p>According to a news release from Sheffield, Conyers said: “President Obama is sucking up to the wrong people and insurance companies as Obama pushed a weak health care package.”</p>
<p>On Iraq and Afghanistan, Conyers said “President Obama is getting bad advice from those clowns in the White House. We should be ending those wars now. America should be providing food instead of bombs from drones that kill innocent civilians,” the release said.</p>
<p>Conyers, an early supporter of Obama’s presidential bid in 2007, could not be reached for comment Saturday afternoon. </p>
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