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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEEEEY caribgirl!  ***BIG HUG***   :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HERE&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;AM!!   Couldn&#039;t get 2 my &quot;OXYGEN MASK&quot; fast enuff!!   :&gt;)     :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ima B  O.K.   :&gt;)        :&gt;)</description>
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<p>HERE</p>
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<p>AM!!   Couldn&#39;t get 2 my &#8220;OXYGEN MASK&#8221; fast enuff!!   :&gt;)     :&gt;)</p>
<p>Ima B  O.K.   :&gt;)        :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was too deep for words.</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEEEEY caribgirl!  ***BIG HUG***   :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HERE&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;AM!!   Couldn&#039;t get 2 my &quot;OXYGEN MASK&quot; fast enuff!!   :&gt;)     :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ima B  O.K.   :&gt;)        :&gt;)</description>
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<p>HERE</p>
<p>I</p>
<p>AM!!   Couldn&#39;t get 2 my &#8220;OXYGEN MASK&#8221; fast enuff!!   :&gt;)     :&gt;)</p>
<p>Ima B  O.K.   :&gt;)        :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was too deep for words.</description>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again and again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My birth mother said something that struck me when she visited last week. She tends to use biblical metaphors to describe current issues and in doing so often overreaches, but sometimes provokes deep though. She lives in Georgia and said that as far as she was concerned young Black men are/will be killed with impunity as though someone had ordered the killing of every firstborn son of the Jews. As though the ones doing the killing want to ensure there will never be another Black president.</description>
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<p>My birth mother said something that struck me when she visited last week. She tends to use biblical metaphors to describe current issues and in doing so often overreaches, but sometimes provokes deep though. She lives in Georgia and said that as far as she was concerned young Black men are/will be killed with impunity as though someone had ordered the killing of every firstborn son of the Jews. As though the ones doing the killing want to ensure there will never be another Black president.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This has been going on since before I was in college.</description>
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<p>This has been going on since before I was in college.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>swoon</description>
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		<title>By: pjamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how I feel about Rick Rubin.</description>
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		<title>By: pjamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching the show now and would love for Warren G to officially retire &quot;Regulate&quot; and Falva Flav would just retire tonight.  Go out on top-ish guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m watching the show now and would love for Warren G to officially retire &#8220;Regulate&#8221; and Falva Flav would just retire tonight.  Go out on top-ish guys.</p>
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		<title>By: pjamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just going to ask that. That&#039;s like 15 associate degrees worth of debt. She could have gone to 4 years at a state school for $26,000.</description>
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		<title>By: pjamma</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjamma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wayne got me with the story about the cop who saved him when he shot himself, and he&#039;s still rolling with Lil Wayne!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you!  I was wondering who the older white guy was in that picture of his father figures and other family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wayne got me with the story about the cop who saved him when he shot himself, and he&#39;s still rolling with Lil Wayne!</i></p>
<p>Thank you!  I was wondering who the older white guy was in that picture of his father figures and other family.</p>
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		<title>By: caribgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>caribgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to be inclusive: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t&lt;br&gt;Michael Steele launched a new GOP website aimed at attracting more minorities. On a conference call announcing the launch, he gets asked by a hispanic republican how is it that they don&#039;t have content in Spanish like the WH does.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do&lt;br&gt;President Obama hosts a latin night(announced in Spanish &amp; English on the WH site) at the WH with food and the entertainment streamed on the WH site, linked with facebook and taped for PBS. Sotomayor was there along with other prominent hispanics in his admin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Check out President Obama dancing at the event&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyvou-6hHY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyvou-6hHY&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to be inclusive: </p>
<p>Don&#39;t<br />Michael Steele launched a new GOP website aimed at attracting more minorities. On a conference call announcing the launch, he gets asked by a hispanic republican how is it that they don&#39;t have content in Spanish like the WH does.</p>
<p>Do<br />President Obama hosts a latin night(announced in Spanish &#038; English on the WH site) at the WH with food and the entertainment streamed on the WH site, linked with facebook and taped for PBS. Sotomayor was there along with other prominent hispanics in his admin.</p>
<p>Check out President Obama dancing at the event<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyvou-6hHY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyvou-6hHY</a></p>
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		<title>By: vulcan_girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>vulcan_girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She spent $26,000 in two years at community college? On what?</description>
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		<title>By: LTMidnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>LTMidnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone at Fox News has 2 brain cells to rub together, they&#039;d keep their mouths shut about this.  Becky Boy ain&#039;t doing them any favors.  Need me to explain why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone at Fox News has 2 brain cells to rub together, they&#39;d keep their mouths shut about this.  Becky Boy ain&#39;t doing them any favors.  Need me to explain why?</p>
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		<title>By: vulcan_girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>vulcan_girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the Lil Wayne one, Pink and Bobby Brown.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wayne got me with the story about the cop who saved him when he shot himself, and he&#039;s still rolling with Lil Wayne!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just love Pink and think she&#039;s underrated as an artist.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bobby just took me back to my childhood, then ruined it when he talked about NE smoking weed in hotels and sex with the groupies.  To quote Chris Rock &quot;I didn&#039;t know til you told me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the Lil Wayne one, Pink and Bobby Brown.</p>
<p>Wayne got me with the story about the cop who saved him when he shot himself, and he&#39;s still rolling with Lil Wayne!</p>
<p>I just love Pink and think she&#39;s underrated as an artist.</p>
<p>Bobby just took me back to my childhood, then ruined it when he talked about NE smoking weed in hotels and sex with the groupies.  To quote Chris Rock &#8220;I didn&#39;t know til you told me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: laRapierWit</title>
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		<dc:creator>laRapierWit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GQ Magazine profiles 50 Most Powerful Folks in DC...Rahm Emanuel tops list&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/200911/50-most-powerful-people-in-dc#slide=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/200911...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GQ Magazine profiles 50 Most Powerful Folks in DC&#8230;Rahm Emanuel tops list</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/200911/50-most-powerful-people-in-dc#slide=1" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/200911.." rel="nofollow">http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/200911..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: laRapierWit</title>
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		<dc:creator>laRapierWit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*BREAKING NEWS*&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Robert Wexler resigning Congressional Seat to take MiddleEast policy position.</description>
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<p>Robert Wexler resigning Congressional Seat to take MiddleEast policy position.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again?</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oct 12 2009, 12:35 pm by Mike Konczal&lt;br&gt;Student Loans are the New Indentured Servitude&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Wall Street Journal ran a post over the weekend about a new credit crunch among low income borrowers, noting it is now &#039;payback time.&#039; What they didn&#039;t go into is that their primary interviewee is drowning not on expensive cars loans but student loans. This former student&#039;s debt is far from extraordinary. It is, in fact, tragically ordinary, as student loans have become the 21st century version of indentured servitude.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From The Wall Street Journal, The &#039;Democratization of Credit&#039; Is Over -- Now It&#039;s Payback Time. Check out the lead:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    NEW YORK -- Karen King owes nearly $36,000, more than she&#039;s ever earned in a year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    All day long, bill collectors call. She hunts for a second job, sometimes skips meals, and stays with other family members at a grandfather&#039;s crowded apartment, trying to get out of debt and turn her life around.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    She largely holds herself at fault. &quot;Years ago, I lived for now. It was so stupid,&quot; the 28-year-old says. &quot;It&#039;s depressing, but I can&#039;t live that life anymore.&quot; Now, she says, &quot;I basically want to live for the future.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now go about halfway through.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Her biggest chunk of debt, $26,000, stems from student loans to pay for her two-year associate&#039;s degree from a community college -- loans now in the hands of collectors. The remaining $10,000 or so includes old credit-card balances, debt to a store that rents furniture, utility bills and back taxes. Another obligation is $400 a month she contributes to the rent on her grandfather&#039;s two-bedroom apartment, where her mother, uncle and sister also live.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rolfe Winkler caught this too. In addition to pointing out how the current recession is focused in large part on men, it&#039;s also worthwhile to note that the current recession is devastating the young. Here&#039;s BusinessWeek on &quot;The Lost Generation.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But let&#039;s go back to the person in question here: How should we judge this young person profiled in the Wall Street Journal? Is going into a large debt load to pay for college the post-Risk-Shift American Dream? Or is it a form of Living For Now, and being irresponsible and short-sited? According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://FinAid.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FinAid.org&lt;/a&gt;, the average cumulative debt among graduating seniors is about $22,500. She&#039;s ahead of that ($26K/2 years), but what is an acceptable amount of debt to carry to educate yourself? As as Krugman notes, education is a key to our country&#039;s successes. Why should we think of her as irresponsible, instead of someone rationally going into debt peonage, like a 17th century indentured servant, in order to take a small shot at bettering oneself - the new middle class dream?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The New Indentured Servitude&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jeffrey Williams, in Dissent Magazine, wrote Student Debt and The Spirit of Indenture, provocatively referred to student loans as the new form of indentured servitude.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is this the new form of indentured servitude? Williams gives some reasons: The prevalence of this debt, especially among the young and the poor/working classes, the transformation from a rounding error amount to a significant burden amount over the past 30 years, the length of term, the idea of mobility and &quot;transport&quot; to a job, debt secured not by property but by personhood, and limited legal recourse. All these characteristics are similar. The limited legal recourse is noteworthy here, since unlike most debt, it isn&#039;t dischargeable under bankruptcy, thus it doesn&#039;t have a natural protection for the consumer receiving credit (a protection, the original synthetic put option, that our Founders were aware of enough to make sure it was provisioned for in the Constitution).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not to soft-peddle indentured servitude. Indentured servitude was a violent contract, with physical torture used to coerce labor. As economist DW Galenson noted, &quot;The Company clearly felt that [beaten workers running away] threatened the continued survival of their enterprise, for they reacted forcefully to this crime. In 1612, the colony&#039;s governor dealt firmly with some recaptured laborers: &#039;Some he apointed to be hanged. Some burned. Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some to be shott to death.&#039;&quot; But let&#039;s put on our Galenson Economic Historian googles and think of it as an economic efficiency problem. Indentured servitude, like student loans, are a form of consumption smoothing. And one thing that is needed for consumptions smoothing is good information about the future.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/student_loans_and_payback_time.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/student...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oct 12 2009, 12:35 pm by Mike Konczal<br />Student Loans are the New Indentured Servitude</p>
<p>The Wall Street Journal ran a post over the weekend about a new credit crunch among low income borrowers, noting it is now &#39;payback time.&#39; What they didn&#39;t go into is that their primary interviewee is drowning not on expensive cars loans but student loans. This former student&#39;s debt is far from extraordinary. It is, in fact, tragically ordinary, as student loans have become the 21st century version of indentured servitude.</p>
<p>From The Wall Street Journal, The &#39;Democratization of Credit&#39; Is Over &#8212; Now It&#39;s Payback Time. Check out the lead:</p>
<p>    NEW YORK &#8212; Karen King owes nearly $36,000, more than she&#39;s ever earned in a year.</p>
<p>    All day long, bill collectors call. She hunts for a second job, sometimes skips meals, and stays with other family members at a grandfather&#39;s crowded apartment, trying to get out of debt and turn her life around.</p>
<p>    She largely holds herself at fault. &#8220;Years ago, I lived for now. It was so stupid,&#8221; the 28-year-old says. &#8220;It&#39;s depressing, but I can&#39;t live that life anymore.&#8221; Now, she says, &#8220;I basically want to live for the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now go about halfway through.</p>
<p>    Her biggest chunk of debt, $26,000, stems from student loans to pay for her two-year associate&#39;s degree from a community college &#8212; loans now in the hands of collectors. The remaining $10,000 or so includes old credit-card balances, debt to a store that rents furniture, utility bills and back taxes. Another obligation is $400 a month she contributes to the rent on her grandfather&#39;s two-bedroom apartment, where her mother, uncle and sister also live.</p>
<p>Rolfe Winkler caught this too. In addition to pointing out how the current recession is focused in large part on men, it&#39;s also worthwhile to note that the current recession is devastating the young. Here&#39;s BusinessWeek on &#8220;The Lost Generation.&#8221;</p>
<p>But let&#39;s go back to the person in question here: How should we judge this young person profiled in the Wall Street Journal? Is going into a large debt load to pay for college the post-Risk-Shift American Dream? Or is it a form of Living For Now, and being irresponsible and short-sited? According to <a href="http://FinAid.org" rel="nofollow">FinAid.org</a>, the average cumulative debt among graduating seniors is about $22,500. She&#39;s ahead of that ($26K/2 years), but what is an acceptable amount of debt to carry to educate yourself? As as Krugman notes, education is a key to our country&#39;s successes. Why should we think of her as irresponsible, instead of someone rationally going into debt peonage, like a 17th century indentured servant, in order to take a small shot at bettering oneself &#8211; the new middle class dream?</p>
<p>The New Indentured Servitude</p>
<p>Jeffrey Williams, in Dissent Magazine, wrote Student Debt and The Spirit of Indenture, provocatively referred to student loans as the new form of indentured servitude.</p>
<p>Why is this the new form of indentured servitude? Williams gives some reasons: The prevalence of this debt, especially among the young and the poor/working classes, the transformation from a rounding error amount to a significant burden amount over the past 30 years, the length of term, the idea of mobility and &#8220;transport&#8221; to a job, debt secured not by property but by personhood, and limited legal recourse. All these characteristics are similar. The limited legal recourse is noteworthy here, since unlike most debt, it isn&#39;t dischargeable under bankruptcy, thus it doesn&#39;t have a natural protection for the consumer receiving credit (a protection, the original synthetic put option, that our Founders were aware of enough to make sure it was provisioned for in the Constitution).</p>
<p>This is not to soft-peddle indentured servitude. Indentured servitude was a violent contract, with physical torture used to coerce labor. As economist DW Galenson noted, &#8220;The Company clearly felt that [beaten workers running away] threatened the continued survival of their enterprise, for they reacted forcefully to this crime. In 1612, the colony&#39;s governor dealt firmly with some recaptured laborers: &#39;Some he apointed to be hanged. Some burned. Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some to be shott to death.&#39;&#8221; But let&#39;s put on our Galenson Economic Historian googles and think of it as an economic efficiency problem. Indentured servitude, like student loans, are a form of consumption smoothing. And one thing that is needed for consumptions smoothing is good information about the future.</p>
<p><a href="http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/student_loans_and_payback_time.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/student.." rel="nofollow">http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/10/student..</a>.</p>
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		<description>she was in jail???????? wow</description>
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