Jack & Jill Politics

Obama got the prize not for doing, but for being. Not for making peace, but for exemplifying something new on the world stage -- the politics of dignity.

The Nobel Committee has simply made explicit what many have sensed. President Obama is the herald of a dignitarian politics. Not libertarian, not egalitarian, but dignitarian.

Dignitarian politics represents a modern synthesis of libertarian and egalitarian politics. War between these two battle-scarred, now exhausted ideologies shaped both national and international politics throughout the twentieth century. Obama is the first politician of world stature to identify and model an alternative that can meet the challenges of the twenty-first. Awarding Obama the Nobel Prize is an expression of the hope that our best chance for world peace lies in the dignitarian politics of which he is an exemplar.

What is dignitarian politics? It is the recognition that people the world over actually want dignity more than they want either liberty or equality. In policy terms, it means ensuring dignity for all -- within and among nations.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-fuller/oba...

Obama APPROVAL polling data for Europe, as compared to George W. Bush

http://www.gmfus.org/trends/2009/docs/2009_Engl...

it's on page 9.

the difference is striking.

Germany
0- 92
B-12

Italy
O-91
B-27

Netherlands
O-91
B-18

Portugal
O-90
B-20

France
O-88
B-11

read the graph on page 9

What are you posting this stuff on polls for? Do you honestly think this drivel is the reason Obama won the NPP? Cause it ain't.

Here is some more information that was easily obtainable...and would have been helpful to post, had you chosen to not simly regurgitate that simplistic
'for what' about Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Note:

• Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_on_re_eu...


And then there is this from the Nobel website:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/articl...

The Prize, in other words, is not only for past achievement, although that is the most important criterion. The committee also takes the possible positive effects of its choices into account. Among the reasons for adding this as a criterion is the obvious point that Nobel wanted the Prize to have political effects. Awarding a Peace Prize is, to put it bluntly, a political act – which is also the reason why the choices so often stir up controversy.

I disagree that the fact that America has moved from being ranked at the low teens to the 90s is drivel. That shift is HUGE especially because of the quick turnaround.

I find the polling results hopeful. America came a lonnnngggg way in just 9 months as it relates to how the country is perceived around the world. It is not something to quickly gloss over or ignore. That drastic change took hard work, persistence (even though POs efforts were often ridiculed by many in his homeland) and determination.

Thanks for the polling data Rikyrah. I believe too many people don't recognize where we were globally, how far we came or just how much this perception impacts us locally. Our president is being recognized as a well respected world leader. Most are rooting for our success and this poll captures those metrics. Good get Rikyrah.

In fact, JJP should attempt to post political news from the global perspective as well to provide a better sense of what is really going on because we certainly aren't going to learn much about anything if we only look at the issues through the msm lens.

My only point is that this polling data has been cited as a reason for the NPP...in that regard it is drivel and clearly not the substantative reason for the choice of this year's recipient.

it's a sad statement when folks spend a week being majorly outraged by a rapper pissing on some teenage pop singer's vma win, but are lining up to piss on their president for receiving a prestigious award. another fine example of what is wrong with the society we live in.

the meme of the day is that it's embarrassing to obama and the country that he was given a prestigious award; people actually go on tv and say that like it makes sense. simply amazing. seriously, the onion couldn't make this shit up if they tried.

i joked last week that the obama admin. could find Bin Laden tomorrow, and folks would bemoan it as a horrible development for America; but at this point i think that's probably a pretty good bet for how things would play out.

excellent points

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Cynics will say that Oslo was jealous that Copenhagen, Denmark, scored a visit from President Obama, and giving him a Nobel was the only way to get him to Norway.

But the Nobel Committee's decision to make Obama the only sitting U.S. president since Woodrow Wilson to receive the Nobel Peace Prize shows the committee's clear-headed assessment that Obama's "unclenched fist" approach to dealing with the world's most thuggish leaders has had a constructive, systemic impact on the world's expectations of itself.

Obama has helped citizens all around the world -- including in the United States -- to want a world beyond the mess we have today in the Middle East and South Asia. They want a world where America is benign and positive, and where other leaders help in supporting the struggles of their people for better lives rather than securing themselves through crude power.

Obama has found a way in this interconnected world of cell phones, Twitter, Facebook and other social networking to reach a majority of the world's citizens with his message of hope for a better world. He speaks past the dictators to regular people and has, on the whole, raised global political expectations about everything from climate change to nuclear nonproliferation in ways that no one in history has done before.


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/09/clem...


The world has been mesmerized by Obama since he started to run for the presidency. The battle between Hillary Clinton and Obama for the Democratic nomination did more to educate the rest of the world about real political choice -- and about a system in which no candidates had an automatic lock on victory -- than any USAID program could have achieved.

Obama's decision to make the ulcerous Israeli-Palestinian negotiations one of the first foreign policy challenges of his administration, rather than the last, defied most seasoned analysts' expectations. His message to Iran's citizens, marking the Persian new year holiday of Nowruz, and his powerful and captivating speech in Cairo, Egypt, communicated to Muslims all around the world that their lives and their faith and their expectations for a better world were vital and as valid as any others.

From his perch in the White House, Barack Obama affirmed the humanity of Muslims and told them that America does value Muslim lives.

Obama's posture and rhetoric have reversed the collapse of hope and trust that the world's citizens had in America and stopped the degradation of America's image during the tenure of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney.

Should a U.S. president get the Nobel Peace Prize if he's about to send more U.S. troops, armed drones, bombs, tanks and other military hardware into the war-ripped zones in Afghanistan?

Or should Obama get the prize if he hasn't even succeeded in getting Israeli-Palestinian negotiations going? Or if he hasn't gotten Iran to drop its nuclear ambitions and to re-enter the international system on constructive terms?

The answer is yes.

I think that given how the odds were already so stacked against Obama on the global economic and security fronts, one can only be amazed at what this unlikely and fascinating president has done with "optics."





More at the link

Tester Pushes Senate Whip Count for Public Option to 51
by mcjoan
Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 03:16:04 PM PDT

Chris Bowers has the news on Tester.

Senator Jon Tester (D-MT) would vote in favor of Senator Schumer's "level playing field" public option.

This pushes the Senate whip count to 51, even without Joe Biden casting a tie-breaking vote.

Since there are now finally 60 active, voting Democrats, it is possible to break any Republican filibuster. Hell, it actually only requires 51 votes to break a filibuster, if Senators were more honest about process. Further, if they didn't even want to both with filibusters, they could always just go with reconciliation, since Tester now gives them enough votes even if Robert Byrd (who is opposed to using reconciliation for health care) defects.

Senate Democrats have the votes. No more process excuses. Pass the public option.

Tester's support is for the weaker Schumer level playing field public option, but its public option support nonetheless. Would he vote against a stronger public option? Highly unlikely.

As Chris says, Reid's got his 51 votes. This can be done two ways, either of which require Reid and Obama forcing the issue on a cloture vote--making Democrats commit to not supporting a Republican filibuster--or doing it through reconciliation.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/9/791581/...

Anybody seen NMP around?

nope. I was hoping to hear her take on this.

JJP's DNA (Adam Swerver) wrote this on his twitter page this morning.

"No joke obama should turn the nobel peace prize down until he's finished with his two wars."

In the afternoon we got that bs from Rinku Sen.

Is it any wonder that some of us consider JJP haterade?

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Nobel Peace prize winning American President Barack Hussien Obama struggles with the political winds of war and peace.


Battle of the books: The Vietnam tomes that could shape today’s war

In what is being billed as the battle of the books, advisers and strategists in the White House and the Pentagon who are trying to solve the Afghan conundrum have been reaching for two tomes on battle strategy in foreign lands that reach very different conclusions. If you want to find either of them in bookshops anywhere close to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, good luck.

The favoured reading at the Pentagon is A Better War by Lewis Sorley. First published to little acclaim in 1999, it became a bible to counter-insurgency experts during the Iraq war.

Back in the White House, it is Gordon Goldstein’s Lessons in Disaster that has mostly been passed from desk to desk. It is a painstaking look at how the national security adviser in the Kennedy and Johnson eras, McGeorge Bundy, marched the US blindly into the conflict in Vietnam with ever-growing troop numbers and how in later life he came to regret it.

Among those to have devoured this tome has been Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s chief of staff, who belongs to the cautious camp in the White House, with the Vice President, Joe Biden.

Once Emanuel was done with the book, he took it to the President. But it turned out that Obama was already midway through his own copy, so Emanuel gave his to Tom Donilon, the deputy national security adviser.

That doesn’t mean that A Better War has been consigned to the bottom shelf. Senator John McCain, who advocated the surge in Iraq ordered by George Bush two years ago, has long referred anyone who will listen to its pages, and in 2005, the then US Commander in Afghanistan, Lieutenant-General David Barno, would regularly pass the book out to his staff.

A main thread of A Better War is that after the replacement of General William Westmoreland by General Creighton Abrams in 1968, and with additional troops, the fortunes of the US military in Vietnam began to change. By then, however, support for the war was crumbling at home and the change in strategy was too late.

By contrast, the moral of Goldstein’s book might come from Bundy’s belated realisation that just putting more troops in play is a tempting but misleading approach. “Bundy said we debated a number and not a use,” says Goldstein, referring to troop deployment. “That’s a really critical observation which goes to the heart of what’s going on right now.”


http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/wo...

"This award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity — for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace."

Who was he talking about? See the article below.

http://washingtonindependent.com/63430/for-neda...

While the media is harping about whether he deserves the award or not, he uses the opportunity to express solidarity with the people fighting for a better future for their country in Iran and Burma as well as the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. For Iran, the message is especially poignant because as the US negotiates with the leadership, and with all the sable rattling for war, its a signal to the protestors that we haven't forgotten you. I remember how the republicans were criticizing him for not standing in greater solidarity with the protestors yet these same people have quickly forgotten the protestors and are now sable rattling for military action.

"

"U.S. President Barack Obama will chair a historic meeting of the United Nations Security Council on Thursday that is expected to ask nations with nuclear weapons to scrap their deadly arsenals.

When the leaders of the 15-nation council gather at U.N. headquarters in midtown Manhattan, Obama will preside over the meeting, the first time a U.S. president has chaired a Security Council summit since the elite panel was established in 1946.

Diplomats said council members were expected to unanimously adopt a U.S.-drafted resolution that declares there is a "need to pursue further efforts in the sphere of nuclear disarmament" and urges all countries that have not signed the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to do so.

The council meeting, which takes place on the second day of the annual U.N. General Assembly session, will be the fifth time the Security Council has met at the level of heads of state and government. It will also be the first council summit to focus exclusively on nuclear proliferation and disarmament.

The first Security Council summit was on Jan. 31, 1992, and was chaired by British Prime Minister John Major. U.S. President George H.W. Bush and Boris Yeltsin, president of the newly created Russian Federation, were among the participants.

The resolution calls for an end to the proliferation of atomic weapons and demands that parties to the NPT keep their promises not to develop atomic warheads. The final draft, obtained by Reuters, has only undergone minor changes since it was circulated to the council two weeks ago. [ID:nB731605]

All five permanent Security Council members -- the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France -- have atom bombs.

Diplomats and analysts say the U.S. decision to organize the summit highlights the sharp shift on disarmament policy taken by the Obama administration. Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, angered many NPT members by ignoring disarmament commitments made by previous U.S. governments, analysts say.

The resolution also urges "other states" outside the NPT to join disarmament efforts to help rid the world of atom bombs."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N23426...

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The Norweigian Nobel committee understood the global significance of this....American didn't and still doesn't recognize their own sitting President, despite him having won the highest award in the world.

LMAO....Pat Buchanan just made me lol abt Steele
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv...

is it bad for me to hope that the whole family goes to Sweden for the Nobel Presentation. It's a White Tie Event....

That would be a good thing and certainly one for the history books. The girls may not understand it all now . . . but they will years from now.

so what is your point? are you trying to be facetious? If so, it is a very bad attempt.

not trying to be facetious. just would love the image of the entire family, dressed to the nines for the formal presentation and ball afterwards.

Why? You were a part of the "for what" crowd after the announcement.

Well, you were part of the crowd who didn't even begin to ask "what for", and it wasn't because you had all the details that you and the others in the jackal pack pretended to when you attacked Rikyrah. Here's the thread on Obama being awarded the NPP:
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/10/pres...

I invite anyone to scroll through the comments and determine whether or not any of these people had the real details they're now pretending to have had all along. One person- Muzikal- posted a link to a Kos diary with a list. None of the jackal pack did anything like that, and they apparently didn't even read the Kos diary. It's forbidden, I guess.

I was stunned, because he hasn't been in office for a year. but, the segment on Hardball tonight, as well as Rachel Maddow's opening segment , and reading Sullivan, it made sense. I didn't think of how this - the election in November - was seen outside of the USA.

so... it took some white talking heads (plus a 'blogger')--whose opinions change damn near by the minute--to convince u that this was legit...?

u truly need to get out more.

And these are the same people who like to spread the "cult" meme in regards to Obama supporters, go figure.

You were stunned. That explains alot. And you didn't think. That explains even more.

I'm calling out your BULLSHIT, TONIGHT!!!

You need these folks to tell you how the rest of the world views America and her INSATIABLE lust for racism, and how Barack Obama helped to shift that paradigm?

You have become LAZY, and complacent and rely on these white liberal blogs as though they are gospel.

The crime is that you withold important information either consciously or unconsciously by your lackadaisical practices.

couldn't agree more!!!

you're going to sit here and tell me that YOU WEREN'T STUNNED?

I CALL BULLSHYT ON THAT.

NOBODY here is going to sit here and tell me that if we had told you the Nobel Peace Prize was going to be announced this morning, you were anticipating that Obama was going to win it.

I.don't.think.so.

You are absolutely correct..

EVERYBODY was stunned.

That award wasn't flattery...it was a slap, followed by a kiss. It was a warning from the world, a reminder to the USA of it's warmongering past..

It's like giving the sloppiest person the award for good hygiene...one wonders if it's encouragement, or insult!

Obama was stunned.

Nothing stuns or surprises me when it comes to President Obama, dear one. NOTHING.

I heard the news on the radio on my way to work this morning, and I turned to my husband and said, WAY TO GO!

No hesitation, didn't miss a beat. We celebrate news of this caliber, not question, or ponder, or analyze, or feign stunned belief. That is me. So call it what you will

I expect, but then I accept.

I have come to expect the best of myself, of others and life. I expect the best from the POTUS, and that is what I accept.

There you go again, NOT THINKING.

So you mean to tell me that you're not living under the same LOW expectations that the haters place on President Obama?

You don't suffer from the same doubts and you're not sold out to Rachel and Sullivan?

WTF is wrong with you Shanti? Snark.

Fuck this bullshit! I'm sick and tired of these folks treating the president as though he's some phucking super alien with a chip inplant.

Barack Obama pisses, sleeps, eats, drinks, takes a shit, has a family , makes love to his beautiful wife, is smart, he farts, and godammit he thinks for himself.

Isn't that what other black men do? He's the President of the United States of fucking America.

The majority elected him, now let him serve us and tone down the bullshit sell-out, punk-ass, disrepectful name-calling of the POTUS!!!!

Remeber this: Barack Obama aint nobody's NIGGA!!!

Granny totally agrees with you and I'm feeling ya! My sentiments exactly!

"Remeber this: Barack Obama aint nobody's NIGGA!!!"

This, from one of the cultists who are always reminding people of what he supposedly can't do or say because he's black. Contradiction? I think so.:)

No Rikyrah!

Of course we were surprised. But we sure didn't say..."for what"? We knew! You've followed him! You've reported on him. You knew his accomplishments. You could have made your own decision and had no reason to wait and listen to Andrew Sullivan or Rachel Maddow!

"For what?" He doesn't deserve it! = C.R.A.B.

So you need permission from Rachel Maddow and Andrew Sullivan in order for it to make sense to you...Oh___kay____.

I wonder if Jane Hamsher at FDL gave her blessings too. The last thing we need is black liberal lapdogs.

That is exactly what she is saying.

YOU ARE WHO WE KNOW YOU ARE!

no, I don't need PERMISSION.

Jane Hamsher ran with your piece on the opt-out compromise posted here at JJP. It wasn't well written, it lacked depth and substance. I was embarrassed for you.

Nate Silver, Booman, and so many other left of center bloggers take their jobs seriously. They take the time to wrestle with the policy and the politics.

From you, it's nothing. You are not a serious player in this game. I was offended by the way you introduced race into your rant, with no analysis. You are a puppet.

Bye, Girl.

I write what I want in how I see it. I have never written anything in anticipation of wanting or thinking that 'other' blogs would see it. One of my initial pieces about the Public Option, I related to Social Security and how that 'piecemeal program' was born on the backs of Black folk and had no intentions of Black folks bearing the brunt of it this time, with another 'piecemeal' plan. Inject race?

WHO the hell in this country is most disproportionally UNINSURED in this country?

BLACK FOLK.

WHO would be punished most in those states that would more than likely be those to OPT OUT?

BLACK FOLK.

inject race..what are you one of those post-racial denying fools.

RACE has been all up in this healthcare debate - FROM DAY ONE.

The battle history of national healthcare has RACE ALL OVER IT.

me-INJECT RACE?

race was all up in it from the GET GO...and I don't mean 2009...try 1948.

Bullshit. You post Jane Hamsher here, and she posts you at Firedoglake.

Firedoglake is viewed very negatively at most "thinking" liberal sites. You injected race into the discussion with no basis, no analysis. It was lazy and cheap.

Most black uninsured people will be covered, public option or no public option. Booman spells it out. Nate Silver spells it out. The opt-out is not a perfect solution but there is no need to inject race in to it like you did to further Jane Hamsher's hate.

Bye, Girl. We see you!

I have never ever had any discussions with Jane Hamsher about 'cross-posting'. Period.

I wrote what I wrote because nobody was talking about specifically about those that would be left behind in those OPT-OUT states.

ONCE AGAIN - piecemeal would be born on the backs of BLACK FOLK.

I don't think so.

And once again, you start with the ' I'M INJECTING RACE' bullshyt.

How can I inject what has already been here from the very beginning of the fight for national healthcare.

Have you read Booman's and Nate Silver's analyses of the opt-out provision? Remember, those are two of the three that kept you sane during the general and primary elections.

I read 538.com once a day. I go to Booman several times a day. I can disagree with them and still read them.

I have already said that IF we wind up with a robust Public Option, when it's all said and done, I will apologize for my doubts.

Don't hurt her, Alexander2. Remember, she can call bullshit. and use lots of these......

Yes, you DO!! Even when they give permission, you STILL don't think for yourself. It is not no friggin election that won the highest most prestigious award in the WORLD!

Damn, THINK for yourSELF!! Please.

Nuclear bombs threaten the world...only ONE man is talking about disarmament, and meeting with world leaders and DOING SOMETHING about the biggest threat to ALL HUMANS on the GLOBE.

Why can't you process these political events?
Why are you unable to see that the GLOBAL significance of what Obama is doing?

Why are you content to think it is just about a friggin election...we elected GeorgeBush and he didn't merit a NobelPeacePrize and neither did 2 term WJC...those facts alone..should have made you said...hmmmm, can't just be the election of a new President.

It is the BOLD Leadership and VISION he has and the POWER of the Presidency that he is USING on the WORLD stage that rises to the level of achievement to be honored with the NobelPeacePrize.

The vote on the UN Security Council was UNANIMOUS!!! All fifteen leaders supported it..that was a helluva achievement..when it comes to nuclear bombs....ain't no election done that.
President Obama did!!! He set the agenda and he negotiated the unanimity!!

You from Chicago..you tout knowledge of the IrishMafia...yet you buy some simplistic nonsense about an election being the compelling act for the NobelPeacePrize...GMAFB

Just STOP IT!!

dang...I refuse to believe you are that politically uninformed.

You're peeling the skin off!!

...Is that a reference to abusive whippings, from experience?

Tell us about it.

Tell it! This is PLANETARY. Damn, are our minds as small as a thimble??

Smaller ...think popcorn seed

Fine, you were stunned...but you were also suppose to do a far more in depth political analysis of why he would be the recipient...instead of running with the MSM meme,


It would not have been all that difficult given that the NobelPeacePrize committee told you PRECISELY WHY they were awarding the honor to President Barack Obama.

Instead you wailed 'for what'

It is THE most prestigious award in the world and there is NO WAY they would award it 'for nothing'?!!

Why didn't you look up what the Committee was talking about with regard to nuclear disarmament. Anyone, who has followed the man knows that nuclear disarmament is his passion. He wrote about world peace in BOTH his books!! That he majored in International Relations at Columbia and he JUST gave a speech in PRAGUE on nuclear disarmament..AFTER sponsoring a bill as a US Senator with Lugar on anti nuclear proliferation.

How difficult could it have been for some one to have that level of political acumen who daily posts at a political blog. What good do you serve by simply going along with the mainstream meme? Huh? Where is the alternative perspective that is based on the 'black bourgeosie? You have failed to do what should be the least expected of you..and that is to NOT buy in to the MSM meme...but to digg deeper and find the TRUTH of the Politics!!

It was NOT just the Election!! It is President's Obama leadership when it comes to GLOBAL engagement. Don't you pay any attention to what he says>?

or do you just accept whatever the talking heads on cable say and how they frame the issue...or how FDL Hamsher.

You have been a great disappointment in terms of political analysis and providing a view that runs counter to the mainstream media...who is doing nothing but tearing this President down...withOUT cause.

Obama is BIGGER than America!! Can't you see that. He is a leader on the WORLD stage...and the only people who do not recognize that are Americans!!!

like you

Now I know you better keep telling the truth.

Fuck these fuckers who write this shit to bring in the cheddar.

And I 100% agree with this:

You have been a great disappointment in terms of political analysis and providing a view that runs counter to the mainstream media...who is doing nothing but tearing this President down...withOUT cause."

Church!!!!!

The hypocrisy abounds!!

It sure does. Getting these muthafuckas to post this shit on supposedly black blogs is disgusting, and does nothing to promote positivity for blacks, at least not for me.

But I see the game. It provokes and brings traffic, right.
Your ass getting paid to talk this lame ass shit, right?

Hollar!

Ouuch!

BINGO!!

You all look like a motherfucking pack of hyenas. If this isn't cult behavior, I don't know what is.

Yes indeed..

It does have a certain "howling", "yapping" quality to it, no? Very guttural and animalistic.

Guess what? It is a global CULT!!

The entire world SEES what you can't.
Greatness, a leader with the vision to go before the UN Security Council and seek resolution not on ANTI-proliferation of nukes but TOTAL ..TOTAL nuclear disarmament.

Ain't been done b4...never...and there was never unanimity!!!

Call a cult if you like ...the rest of the world knows that this is greatness and leadership on the world stage...and it happened NINE months into his administration.

OMFG!!!...you are so TOTALLY BLINd!!

I'm blind because I don't think the cult of Obama is world-wide?:) Damn. I see clearly enough to know that it's not even Black-America-wide. Not in the least...thank God.

Hey, I can't agree with you on the "God" bit..

But thankfully, the ones who remain sane will carry on the species..
;)

Once again, you other cultists- this is your leader. Take a good look.

No, it's not a world wide cult. The rest of the world is not desperately trying to find self-esteem through someone else. The rest of the world isn't hungering so much for love and acceptance from "majority" America, that they feel as if all will be lost for their people forever if everyone else doesn't see Obama as a god. A lot of the rest of the world likes Obama. Many like him a lot. But unlike you, they aren't desperate cultists. I compared you all to the town hall screamers, but I kind of have to take that back. In at least one way, you all are worse. They may be rabid paranoiacs like y'all, but even they don't focus all their craziness and insecurities on one person. You all are motherfucking creepy...weird...even weirder than the town hall screamers.

Like I said before, I'm positively smug about the capabilities of black people. Why aren't you? You know, you'll never get the love and acceptance you crave, no matter how successful Obama turns out to be. Try for access and fairness. It's a surer bet.

You all are motherfucking creepy...weird...even weirder than the town hall screamers.

Ya know, I'm not one for piling on(too cultlike).. But I agree, completely, with the rest also.

I'll tell you, if I was either one of the people who own this blog, your asses wouldn't be on the little blog you established sniggling like kids over "what you said" here. Your asses would be banned. Conserv1 was complely sane compared to you.

O now you think you some type of czar that can give out decrees or something?

Please you just got issues...but that is what happens when you soak up negativity all day from this site.

No, I don't think I'm a czar. I just wouldn't put up with venomous bullshit from insane people like you, that's all.

You other cultists...

Why don't you stop sucking up and think for yourself?!

Use your own brain!

Since when does being a cultist constitute using one's own brain? I mean, you're really telling me that I should become a cultist like you. The fact that I can criticize Obama when I feel it's appropriate means that I am in fact using my own brain,

They why are you posting to us?
Stop it.
Keep your word.
Ignore the commentary you find so venomous.

You are the one in a cult. Desperate to belong to something.

Your views are not relevant like a tiny island surrounded by a vast ocean..your thoughts are
Unseen, unheard, unknown.

byeeee

You are a haaaater.
Just hate, hate, hate.

toodles, hater

No. I'm not going to ignore them precisely because they're so venomous. With any luck, I'll get on your nerves about them so much that you'll confine them to the virtural house of worship y'all have established.

Which begs the question...if this is now an "Obama hating blog", why are you posting here? There is a whole list of black blogs right there on the side of your screen. Check them out, and tell us if you see any as rabidly Obama-worshipping as "WEE see you". LOL. Thankfully, you and your "church members" are a small fringe of the black community.

@ Plantsmanx

Wrong! As usual.

Obama had a powerful mandate from the American people and the NobelPeacePrize means he now has a powerful mandate from the world.

the World has Spoken....

but you blind, deaf...and o sooooo dumb

can't hear, can't see and just can't think at all

someone in this whole wide world prove to me that you get a "do over"

No it isn't bad...they should do it and damn the rest of the naysayers.

I keep saying this..you only get one shot at this....so go for it.

I will say this until forever...President Obama is and will be held to so much a higher bar than any previous president has been held to.

If the right wing nuts saw this happen to bush, they would have bush's image on a cross including a halo and for sale at any price.

Angelar: S-P-E-A-K!!

Just like in the primaries - - The NOW Secretary of State KEPT moving THAT PROVERBIAL - - GOALPOST

In fact, she kept movin' it so far back that it was OFF the FIELD and into the STREET!!

WE KNEW!! :>)

Now for some straight dope

Dear Cecil:

Years ago you were asked whether it was legal to publish a letter someone had sent you. You said the author's permission was needed. Now that it's 2009, I got to wondering if one could take a post on, say, the Straight Dope Message Board and publish it without the author's permission, or for that matter, the SDMB's permission. I presume the answer is no. Second question: If I have a blog and someone posts a comment on it, can I publish it without their permission? Finally, say I have my own message board and clearly tell people when they join that anything they write on the board becomes my property. I then publish a book called "The Best of Level3Navigator's Message Board!" without getting permission from the posters. Is this legal?

— Level3Navigator
Cecil replies:

I get the feeling you’re headed somewhere with this. Nonetheless, you raise issues worth examining in the age of the Internet. Let’s start at the top.

As you rightly presume, the answer to your first question is no. It’s well established legally that the creator of content owns the copyright. Prior to the 1976 Copyright Act, unpublished letters, which were the topic of the original column, couldn’t be published without the writer’s permission except in limited circumstances, and then only by the recipient. Anybody else was out of luck.

After 1976, letters and other copyrightable works became subject to the Copyright Act’s “fair use” provision, which allows publication of short excerpts — usually. In the 1980s, reclusive author J.D. Salinger successfully sued to prevent the quoting and paraphrasing of his unpublished letters in a biography. The court felt the author’s right to determine first publication of his work tilted the fair use balance in Salinger’s favor. You wouldn’t have that problem quoting message board posts, which have already been published. But this is poorly charted territory; somebody might still sue. Vindication could cost you a lot.

Your second question is trickier. If it’s your blog, can’t you publish whatever appears there? No. The law says, “Copyright . . . vests initially in the author or authors of the work.” Your blog’s comments section is merely the canvas on which the creative individual displays his genius. It’s as if you own a building and a graffiti artist has sprayed a brilliant original sonnet on your wall. You can repaint the wall, or tear down the building, but you can’t include the sonnet in a poetry collection.

That brings us to your third question: how does a user agreement change things?

Probably a lot, although few such agreements have been tested in court. The Straight Dope Message Board has one, which we’ll get back to. First let’s look at Facebook’s agreement, which created an uproar earlier this year. Facebook’s terms of use once included the following: “By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant . . . to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing.”

Goodness, one thinks. Am I granting first dibs on my kidneys, too? But then it got worse. Originally Facebook agreed that once you removed your content from its site, its license to your stuff expired. Last winter, however, Facebook deleted that provision, implying that once you posted something, Facebook controlled it forevermore.

Users howled. Protesting innocence, the company revised the language, which now reads in part: “[Y]ou grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any . . . content that you post on or in connection with Facebook. . . . This . . . license ends when you delete your . . . content.” That restores the prior status quo, but the gist remains: anything you leave posted here is ours to do with as we will.

The Straight Dope Message Board agreement has a similar clause: “You grant [our company] and its successors and assigns a nonexclusive irrevocable right to reuse your posting in any manner it or they see fit without notice or compensation to you.” Big difference: inclusion of “irrevocable.” That’s there because a message board thread is people talking to each other. If users later can withdraw their part of the conversation, what’s left becomes incomprehensible. So the irrevocability of the SDMB license arguably serves the greater good.

Still, the SDMB’s user agreement, like Facebook’s, grants a license that on its face is pretty broad. We’re the soul of discretion, and no doubt so is Facebook. However, suppose our evil clones, the FUMB and Scumbook, took their collective content to Bangkok to . . . well, one shudders to think. Would the courts enforce the user agreements then? We’ll have to wait and find out.

— Cecil Adams

See Cecil's latest assault against ignorance, Straight Dope Chicago, at chicago.straightdope.com.

I got approved for my new apartment. Looks like I gonna be moving in 'bout 3 weeks, I better starting boxing shit, and see about movers huh!

congrats

good luck to you lamh32.

lamh32: GOOD LUCK! :>) WARNING: :>)

Will - - - -THESE - - help!!??

From Andrew Sullivan

09 Oct 2009 12:01 pm
All Over The World

I've had some coffee now. Reading through all the reactions, compiled by Chris and Patrick, there are two obvious points: this is premature and this is thoroughly deserved.

Both are right. I don't think Americans fully absorbed the depths to which this country's reputation had sunk under the Cheney era. That's understandable. And so they also haven't fully absorbed the turn-around in the world's view of America that Obama and the American people have accomplished. Of course, this has yet to bear real fruit. But you can begin to see how it could; and I hope more see both the peaceful intentions and the steely resolve of this man to persevere.





http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

"The UN Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution calling for nuclear disarmament, in a session chaired by US President Barack Obama."


The Media obscures what President Obama does that has profound GLOBAL impact & historical significance. The reason America thinks he does not deserve it is because the media fails to report on what Obama does on the WORLD stage.

They TOO Busy HATIN!!

Here is what they are not saying.

They are not telling us that in September right before the NobelPeacePrize cmte voted, President BarackHusseinObama was the FIRST American PRESIDENT to chair the UN Security Council!

More significantly...in the sesssion he chaired he provided the leadership to reach global accord on NUCLEAR Disarmament. Never in history had such been achieved.
That is what the NobelPeacePrize committee HONORED....a historical shift from global conflict and confrontation to one of collaboration and cooperation ushered in by the AMERICAN President BarackHusseinObama.

Our YOUNG American President met with world leaders and with barely 9 months in office he led the most powerful group in the world to an ACCORD on NUCLEAR disarmament.
This is as big as the fall of the Berlin wall as well as the end of the cold war...the rest of the world KNOWS this...only America fails to laud their own President....

Obama is brilliant, he has an abundance of leadership and we have such begun to see his global and domestic influence.



Read it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8272396.stm



THIS is how DUMASS America DISSED Him ....right before he presided as chair:




"Looking for a quick and easy boost in the polls, President Obama has decided to go to the one place where merit bears no relationship to adulation: the United Nations. On September 24, the president will take the unprecedented step of presiding over a meeting of the UN Security Council.

No American president has ever attempted to acquire the image of King of the Universe by officiating at a meeting of the UN’s highest body. But Obama apparently believes that being flanked by council-member heads of state like Col. Moammar Qaddafi — who is expected to be seated five seats to Obama’s right — will cast a sufficiently blinding spell on the American taxpayer that the perilous state of the nation’s economy, the health-care fiasco, and a summer of “post-racial” scapegoating will pale by comparison.

After all, who among us is not for world peace?

Unfortunately, however, the move represents one of the most dangerous diplomatic ploys this country has ever seen. The president didn’t just decide to chair a rare council summit; he also set the September 24 agenda — as is the prerogative of the state holding the gavel for the month. His choice, in the words of American UN Ambassador Susan Rice, speaking on September 2 at her first press briefing since the United States assumed the council presidency, is this: “The session will be focused on nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear disarmament broadly, and not on any specific countries.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWNkMWViY2...


O but the CAPITALISTS Understood:

Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.

The topic for the summit-level session of the council on September 24 is nuclear non-proliferation and nuclear disarmament – one of several global challenges that the US now wants to see addressed at a multinational level.

“The council has a very important role to play in preventing the spread and use of nuclear weapons, and it’s the world’s principal body for dealing with global security cooperation,” Susan Rice, US envoy to the UN, said last week.

Her remarks were the latest by the Obama administration to emphasise a shift from the strategy of the previous Bush administration, sometimes criticised by its UN partners for seeking to use the world body principally to endorse its own unilateral policies. The US currently holds the month-long rotating presidency of the Security Council.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0...

Yep,...unbelivable. Maybe folks been Palinized

LOL! And the beat goes on....