Jack & Jill Politics

Pictures are worth a thousand words. Their smug racism is blatant and apparent. I'm about to donate my weekly tithe money to Rob Miller because I know God wants racism defeated....

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4874/90534255.jpg

Also interesting to note that Joe Wilson used to be an aide to STROM THURMOND.

Another picture worth a thousand words, please someone caption it LOL!!
http://i26.tinypic.com/wvpoxl.jpg

Caption: "Joe Wilson, you are the turning point for the Republican Party, and have just buried it."

Caption: "What little career you have in politics is now over."

ANOTHER WRAP UP THREAD COMPLETE WITH VIDEO OF THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH IS NOW UP

I'M GLAD HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, NOW I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT

1980 ELECTION ALL OVER AGAIN I 2012.

REAGAN 489
CARTER 49


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GOOD NITE UNAMERICAN LIBERALS

WE CONSERVATIVES LOVE THIS COUNTRY, SERVE THIS COUNTRY, AND DIE FOR THIS FREEDOM, UNLIKE YALL MISCREANTS WHO KNOW NOTHING BUT HATE AND DISLIKE FOR AMERICA.

IN CLOSING, LEAVE MY COUNTRY IF YOU HATE IT SO MUCH. BECAUSE YOU ARE UNAMERICAN IF YOU CAN NOT HAVE AN HONEST OPPOSING VIEW. THAT IS TYRANNY.

NO U FUCKING LEAVE MY COUNTRY IS IF YOU HATE IT SO MUCH AND OBAMA IS YOUR PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 4YEARS SO DEAL WITH IT OR GET THE FUCK OUT!

WE LIBERALS LOVE THIS COUNTRY, SERVE THIS COUNTRY, AND DIE FOR THIS FREEDOM, UNLIKE YALL MISCREANTS WHO KNOW NOTHING BUT HATE AND DISLIKE FOR AMERICA AND YOUR MINIONS LIKE PALIN.

GOOD NITE UNAMERICAN CONSERVATIVE ASSWIPE

I AM GLAD HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

BUSH ---- CLINTON
BUSH --- OBAMA

GOODNITE

[Sorry folks y'll know i hate minions]

I'LL SEND YOU TICKET TO CUBA OR VENEZUELA. I KNEW YOU WERE A COMMMUNIST.

YOU LAZY BUMB I SERVED THIS COUNTRY NOT YOUR WEAK ASS. SORRY ASS LIBERALS

YOU WANT GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE MOVE TO CANADA OR BRITIAN.

LIBERALISM = DEPOTISM MOVE TO CUBA YOU COMMUNIST

PALIN 2012, NOT SOME WEAK, PUNK ASS LIBERAL THAT CUTS THE MILITARY

YOU HAVE NEVER SERVED IN THE US ARMED FORCES, LAZY MISCREANT.

NAH YOUR PARTY HATES THE MILITARY AND CUTS FUNDING. DUMMY WHY DOES THE MILITARY VOTE OVERWHELMINGLY REPUBLICAN BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU HATE AMERICA. SO LEAVE MY COUNTRY

This is the scene where the witch has water thrown on her and as Dorethy looks on, she cries "I'm melting, I'm melting"

Ding dong the witch is dead.

You lost, we won.

And you will loose in 2010 and 2012.

I am done with you, i feel better now... sometimes messing with you minions makes me feel healthy ... It makes me feel like my head is still together.

its like a practice session of who can reach the lowest denominator...

So its good to know i still can get under your skin [doing the witch laugh]

Goodnight Independent or is it codependent..... Life is too short so go to bed now its 12:42PM.. tomorrow is another day, you get to cut and paste again

Love your craziness :)

YEA YOU HATING LIBERALS WILL BE AT IT AGAIN. YOU SEE WHEN CONSERVATIVES GO OFF. YOU RUN AND HIDE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND. IT'S LIKE LYING THE TRUTH SETS YOU FREE. I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW AND THE REST OF YOUR LIBERAL LIES.

Lying the truth what? If you are going to rant, can you at least speak with correct grammar and make sense? Or is that too much to ask? Also, we can read you whether you type in all caps or not. Lastly, might I suggest Prozac or Xanax? Of course you realize you'll need really good healthcare coverage for that. Good night.

No I'm okay. May suggest stop acting like JJP is Princeton U in the blogsphere. Who do you people think you are. Arrogant idiots.

Or arsnic.

lol

Excerpt of Ted Kennedy letter to President Obama:

" There will be struggles – there always have been – and they are already underway again. But as we moved forward in these months, I learned that you will not yield to calls to retreat - that you will stay with the cause until it is won. I saw your conviction that the time is now and witnessed your unwavering commitment and understanding that health care is a decisive issue for our future prosperity. But you have also reminded all of us that it concerns more than material things; that what we face is above all a moral issue; that at stake are not just the details of policy, but fundamental principles of social justice and the character of our country.

And so because of your vision and resolve, I came to believe that soon, very soon, affordable health coverage will be available to all, in an America where the state of a family’s health will never again depend on the amount of a family’s wealth. And while I will not see the victory, I was able to look forward and know that we will – yes, we will – fulfill the promise of health care in America as a right and not a privilege."

full letter at link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/9/779457/-...

OT: I am LMAO@ this interview with Jay Z and David Letterman

Tourettes? please bye with that! and of course he has to be from my state.

I can now run 8 miles and maybe this Sam Cooke song will get me to my next 8.

Show off.

Congressman Joe Wilson Claims Pre-Existing Condition: Tourette’s!

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=8733

LOL! The hate and disdain for the president is a pre-existing conditon, WEC YOU CRACKAS!

Check your emails...they need volunteers for Obama...sent you the info

It's what we call "situational Tourettes."

My Letter to Representative Joseph Wilson September 9, 2009

Dear Representative Joseph Wilson,

I have placed this e-mail message under the issue of "Ethics", since, in my opinion, you are so lacking in that category.

I watched the President's speech to Congress on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 and heard someone call the President a liar ("You lie!").

I later learned (by perusing blogs and watching television) that YOU were the rude, cowardly individual that called the 44th President of the United States of America a liar.

Have you no honor, sir?

I thought that this state, with its problems with high unemployment, low emphasis on education, and dysfunctional state leadership could not sink any lower in irrelevance.

You proved me wrong, sir.

I believe what you did is a racist, craven act, disrespecting the President of the United States of America and also disrespecting all persons in the chamber.

The President is trying to find solutions to problems that affect us all as Americans.

What are YOU doing, sir?

You, sir, are beneath contempt.

Great letter, Admiral!

P.S. You sir, are the party of LIES. Have a nice day!

Admiral,

You did it! Congrats!!!!!!!

You got down to the brass tack!

Bravo!

Actually, I wanted to hit him with "the bad chair".

blindfolded and gagged....

I AIN'T mad @ U

Can ASK a question why is it whenever Obama steals the momentum from this so called republicans they suddenly find JJP to start posting? Why I ask? Like say this Independent 2008 person...

Why do you need to convince us that we are going to loose. Don't tell us just go out and do it. You don't need to post or name call, just go to freeper land and do it seriously. Like Nike says JUST DO IT!

U waste space with the cut and post...

I heard you Palin 2012 Republican 2010 -------- ----- so now GO OUT AND DO IT... U posting does not accomplish much here. If you want Palin and Rep.. Go out and do it... that's a more effective way

According to Crooks & Liars: "UPDATE #2: Wow. In less than two hours, challenger Rob Miller has raised over $11K. Clearly quaking in his boots at the disgust leveled at him, Wilson has issued the following apology: "

Rob Miller is challenging Joe Wilson in South Carolina.

He's raised a lot more than that, check out Kos. . . LOL, he may hit $100,000 tonight

Yeah, I was watching it .... almost 20K now

No, Almost $80K now, people are donating to both of his pages. The 20-something K is just ONE of the pages.

*edit* It was almost $50k, I was mentally adding the two numbers. LOL

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/joe-wi...

Michelle Obama mouthed out "Damn" when Mighty Joe Wilson jumped up and screamed YOU LIE!

That's some sensational writing:

Fresh from a month of acrimonious town halls, House Republicans arrived for President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night with signs, props, and a lot of attitude.

But at least one congressman went way too far. Rep. Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!" after Obama denied that his health care proposal would cover illegal immigrants.

All eyes turned in the South Carolina Republican's direction -- including Obama's, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's and Vice President Joe Biden's.

Wilson, looking agitated, leaned forward and began tapping away at his BlackBerry, as if he were Googling up proof that the president had, in fact, lied.

"Shame on you!" shouted someone from the Democratic side. "Throw him out!" shouted someone else. First Lady Michelle Obama, seated behind and above Wilson, seemed to mouth a drawn-out "damn" at the scene unfolding before her.

Reads like a novel. LOL

are you sure...don't say that kind of stuff unless film backs it up

"First Lady Michelle Obama, seated behind and above Wilson, seemed to mouth a drawn-out "damn" at the scene unfolding before her."

How would you react if some dumb fuck shouted down your husbandwho is the President of the United States of America and called him a liar ?

well yeah, but the First Lady is black and you know she gets "protocol" down every minute...

so just stop it

If this really happened and there is video of it, I expect Hannity and Beck etc. to air it tomorrow to show that "see, even Michelle X was acting uncivil." But it will backfire on them because we saw repeated scenes of Republicans scowling, folding up their arms, waving signs, twittering, yawning, booing, checking their watches and heckling the President. Americans coast to coast saw that and it did NOT go over well. They could have a tape of Michelle Obama taking off her jacket and earrings being held back by Vickie Kennedy and Jill Biden as she says "Aw HAYLE NAW" and most Americans would be like "boo let me hold your earrings. You need some Vaseline?"

They better be happy she didn't vault over that balcony Madea style.

With her "Peace Be Steel" ..... (Peace be Still)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMryEzCwflQ

"Peace, is made of steel" LMAO (that's STILL hilarious to me)

This is an eyewitness account of what went down. Even if this proves false, I doubt seriously ANYONE would have a problem with Michelle Obama mouthing out "damn" while witnessing her husband the President being straight up disrespected on national and worldwide TV on the floor of Congress. Even if she is caught on tape saying "No that bitch didn't" NOBODY is going to take her to task. All eyez is on Mighty Joe Wilson and his thuggery on the House floor.

I agree. but I am sure Mrs. Obama didn't mouth damn...she's heard and seen a lot more disrespectful things happen to her husband. They have had to contend with threats for years now sadly. So I am sure she held her composure.

this is just how effed up all this will happen in tomorrows news

Mighty Joe Wilson and the RePub Thug Gang's antics will overshadow anything Michelle Obama supposedly did, and most people will not care one twit, because they wouldn't blame her one bit. Most Americans are shocked and appalled at the Republicans' assholery tonight. Republicans who don't want to be associated with the assholery on display tonight are quickly running away from and condemning the ones who showed their asses tonight. If there is a tape of her mouthing it, the only ones who will dare show it will be Hannity and Beck. Everyone else will stay far away because Mr. YOU LIE and the blatant disrespect shown to the President tonight is a far bigger and juicier story than Michelle Obama saying "Damn" at the speech tonight.

LMAO@ "No that bitch didn't"

Honestly, Michelle is probably beyond sick of the bullshit coming from the right. Apparently there were other hecklers who just weren't as loud according to the article you posted

Town my favorite part...........

Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), the longest serving member in House history, said he was not impressed by the GOP antics. "Well, you've got to understand: They're Republicans. They're just doing what comes natural," he told HuffPost.

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Rules of Decorum and Debate in the House

Stupid isn't "profane or vulgar," but he's defintely broken #4.

firedoglake:

From Robert Kaiser’s WaPo0 chat tonight:

San Francisco, CA: Has any President ever been greeted by a House member shouting “You lie!” as Joe Wilson, GOP of South Carolina, did tonight to President Obama?

Is this grounds for censure by his fellow House members?

Robert G. Kaiser: Not to my knowledge, and yes.

Wilson can be censured.

I want it done. Teach this mofo a lesson. You don't disrespect the President and get by. Punk ass b^t^h!

What IS it with those South Carolina politicians?

WHIP COUNT: DEMS LACK THE VOTES
Wed Sep 09 2009 17:03:37 ET

At least 44 more moderate Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record in opposition to the current health care bill in the House, a Hill source claims. Likewise, at least 57 liberal Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record saying they will vote against a health care bill without a strong public option.

Unless multiple Democrats flip on their stated position on health care, Speaker Pelosi lacks the votes to pass a bill through the House on the strength of Democrat votes alone.

WHIP COUNT

44 Democrats Opposed

1. Rep. Altmire
2. Rep. Adler
3. Rep. Barrow
4. Rep. Boren
5. Rep. Boucher
6. Rep. Boyd
7. Rep. Bright
8. Rep. Carney
9. Rep. Childers
11. Rep. Cleaver
12. Rep. Cooper
13. Rep. Costello
14. Rep. Cuellar
15. Rep. Dahlkamper
16. Rep. Davis
17. Rep. Driehaus
18. Rep. Ellsworth
19. Rep. Gordon
20. Rep. Griffith
21. Rep. Halvorson
22. Rep. Hill
23. Rep. Holden
24. Rep. Kanjorski
25. Rep. Kaptur
26. Rep. F Kratovil
27. Rep. Marshall
28. Rep. Massa
29. Rep. Melancon
30. Rep. McIntyre
31. Rep. Minnick
32. Rep. Murtha
33. Rep. Oberstar
34. Rep. Ortiz
35. Rep. Perriello
36. Rep. Peterson
37. Rep. Polis
38. Rep. Pomeroy
39. Rep. Ross
40. Rep. Shuler
41. Rep. Stupak
42. Rep. Tanner
43. Rep. Taylor
44. Rep. Titus

57 Liberal Democrats to vote no on a bill without a strong public option

On July 31, 2009, the Congressional Progressive Caucus sent a letter to Speaker Pelosi expressing their opposition to a weakening of the public option. The letter on behalf of 57 Progressive Democrats concludes, “In short, this agreement will result in the public, both as insurance purchasers and as taxpayers, paying ever higher rates to insurance companies. We simply cannot vote for such a proposal.” The text can be read here: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/uploads/57%20memb...

1) Rep. Woolsey
2) Rep. Grijalva
3) Rep. Kilpatrick
4) Rep. Nadler
5) Rep. Hare
6) Rep. Roybal-Allard
7) Rep. Ellison
8) Rep. Blumenauer
9) Rep. Watts
10) Rep. Edwards
11) Rep. Olver
12) Rep. Kucinich
13) Rep. Richardson
14) Rep. Waters
15) Rep. Conyers
16) Rep. Chu
17) Rep. Hinchey
18) Rep. Johnson
19) Rep. Watson
20) Rep. Spier
21) Rep. Pascrell
22) Rep. Doggett
23) Rep. Kaptur
24) Rep. Hirono
25) Rep. Filner
26) Rep. Sanchez
27) Rep. Fudge
28) Rep. Lee
29) Rep. Carson
30) Rep. Jackson Lee
31) Rep. Honda
32) Rep. McDermott
33) Rep. Clay
34) Rep. McGovern
35) Rep. Clarke
36) Rep. Massa
37) Rep. Pingree
38) Rep. Jackson, Jr.
39) Rep. Cummings
40) Rep. Thompson
41) Rep. Moore
42) Rep. Payne
43) Rep. Stark
44) Rep. Towns
45) Rep. Brown
46) Rep. Hastings
47) Rep. Valezquez
48) Rep. Gutierrez
49) Rep. Napolitano
50) Rep. Sires
51) Rep. Tierney
52) Rep. Capuano
53) Rep. Fattah
54) Rep. Serrano
55) Rep. Farr
56) Rep. Delahunt
57) Rep. Johnson

BACKGROUND:

Rep. John Adler (D-NJ): “Isn’t good for America.” But dissatisfaction extends beyond Blue Dogs. Rep. Rick Boucher (Va.), a conservative Democrat but not a Blue Dog, says he doesn't like the public option. Rep. John Adler (D-N.J.) told an audience, "The bill that's coming through the House, with or without the public option, isn't good for America." (Mike Soraghan and A.B. Stoddard, “Dem Split On The Public Option Casts Doubt On Reform Of Healthcare,” The Hill, 8/31/09)

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The Education And Labor Committee. “Two key House committees moved along Democratic healthcare legislation on Friday, only days after the bill was introduced. … The Education and Labor Committee approved their portion of the bill by a 26-22 vote. Democratic Reps. Jared Polis (Colo.), Dina Titus (Nev.) and Jason Altimire (Pa.) voted against the bill.” (Michael O’Brien, “House Committees Advance Healthcare Overhaul,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. John Barrow (D-GA): “I still voted against the bill.” Barrow said he does not believe that the changes they made are permanent or adequate.“I still voted against the bill, even after we had gotten these amendments passed, not because I didn’t think they made it better, but because I didn’t think they made the bill good enough,” he said. (Sandi Van Orden, “Barrow Offers Why He Voted Against Health Care Bill,” The Effingham Herald, 9/3/09)

Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK): “The House Bill That’s Out There, I Can’t Support.” “Second District Congressman Dan Boren said Monday that health care reform rests largely on President Barack Obama's willingness to accept bipartisan compromise on the issue. ‘If health care reform is going to happen it will have to happen in a bipartisan way,’ Boren told the Tulsa Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce. ‘It's really up to the president.’ Boren, a Democrat, said he is trying to keep an open mind but said, ‘The House bill that's out there, I can't support.’” (Tom Gilbert, “Boren: Bipartisanship Key To Health Care,” Tulsa World, 7/20/09)

Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA): I have a problem with this government option plan," Boucher said. "I'm troubled that the government option plan could become very popular and if it became sufficiently popular it could begin to crowd out the other" private insurance companies. Furthermore, he said, the public option could "financially destabilize" rural hospitals. (Sarah Bruyn Jones, “Boucher Unconvinced On 'Government Option' For Health Care,” The Roanoke Times, 8/19/09)

Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.), who belongs to the moderate Blue Dogs group, said at a town hall meeting yesterday that "the public option is off the table." When asked whether it would be a good idea to "scrap everything" and start the process of reforming health care over, Boyd reportedly said, "I think that is an excellent idea … we may end up there."

Rep. Bobby Bright (D-AL): U.S. Congressman Bobby Bright announced recently he opposes the current draft of United States House of Representatives health care legislation. “I am hopeful that when Congress returns in September, the process will be more bipartisan and we will be able to produce something that works for the American people,” Bright said. “I continue to believe that the current direction of health care reform relies too heavily on taxes on individuals and small businesses, and the overall cost of health care legislation remains too high. Moreover, though changes have been made to how the public option will work, the overall bill does not represent my belief in a free-market approach to health care reform.” (“Bright Questions Health Care Reform,” The Southeast Sun, 8/26/09)

Rep. Chris Carney (D-PA): “I Would Not Vote In Favor Of It At This Point.” “Carney said he could not support a plan crafted by House Democrats because of the way the plan would impact small- to medium-sized businesses, rural areas and small hospitals. ‘There is a 1,000-page template out of the House, but it's very fluid and being negotiated as we speak,’ Carney said. ‘There is not unanimous agreement on the initial version. Guys like me - the blue dog Democrats - are firm on our disagreement with certain aspects of the bill.’ ‘As it is now, and realizing it is extremely fluid and changes daily, I would not vote in favor of it at this point,’ he said.” (David Thompson, “Carney: More Time Needed For Proper Health Care Reform,” Sun Gazette, 7/24/09)

Rep. Travis Childers (D-MS): Would Not Vote for a House Health Care Reform Bill. During a town hall teleconference Tuesday night, Rep. Travis Childers, D-Miss., said "he would not vote for a House health care reform bill in its current form," a Memphis TV station reports. http://www.wreg.com/sns-ap-ms--childers-townhal...

Rep. Travis Childers (D-MS): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO): “I’m willing to Push the Reset Button.” “Cleaver willing to start over on health care bill. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver told reporters this morning he's willing to start from scratch on a health care reform bill, as many Republicans have suggested. "I'm willing to push the reset button," Cleaver said, although he appeared skeptical about the prospects for any new legislation from a restart of the process. The Missouri Democrat also said health care reform is "too important" to be passed with only Democratic votes, as White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has recently suggested. Cleaver also said if health reform isn't passed by year's end, it won't happen. That, he agreed, effectively gives the GOP veto power over any legislation for the next 90 days or so, once Congress returns after Labor Day. (Dave Helling, “Cleaver Willing To Start Over On Health Care Bill,” The Kansas City Star, 8/19/09)

Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN): “Is Not Good Enough to Earn the Support of Nashville-Area Voters.” I want to vote for health-care reform. Every American deserves comprehensive health care. It is a moral imperative. But the House bill, at least as I have closely reviewed the June 19th and later drafts, is not good enough to earn the support of Nashville-area voters. http://www.cooper.house.gov/index.php?option=co...

Rep. Jerry Costello (D-IL): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX): “Am I In Favor Of This Bill As It Is Written? I Am Not.” “‘We have the more conservative folks and the more liberal folks pushing me both ways,’ Cuellar noted. ‘Do I believe in health care reform? Yes I do. But I also believe in insurance reform. Am I in favor of this bill as it is written? I am not.’” (Ron Maloney, “Somewhat Rowdy Crowd For Cuellar Visit,” The Gazette-Enterprise, 7/26/09)

Rep. Kathleen Dahlkamper (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Lincoln Davis (D-TN): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-IN): “I Was Not Prepared, Nor Would I Have Voted For, the Proposed Bill on August 6th.” “I’m really glad we were able to postpone the legislation,” Ellsworth said. “I was not prepared, nor would I have voted for, the proposed bill on August 6th” when the summer recess began, he said. http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_story_247222...

Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN): “I Cannot Support The Bill.” “On Thursday, Gordon and the other six Blue Dogs on the committee demonstrated their concerns about the bill by reading nearly identical opening statements. ‘I am thoroughly reviewing the bill. However, as currently written, I cannot support the bill,’ Gordon said after the hearing.” (Bill Theobald, “Health Bill Faces Fight From Tennessee Blue Dogs,”Tennessean, 7/19/09)

Rep. Parker Griffith (D-Al): Rep. Parker Griffith, D-Al., who opposes the public health care option, says he needs more details before he can sign off on the co-op notion being floated by the Senate. "It depends on how it's worded and how it's structured," Griffith said Monday, according to the Huntsville Times. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08...

Rep. Debbie Halvorson (D-IL) “My message right now is we don’t have a bill”: While health care proposals are changing by the minute, Halvorson said her primary concern is cost. If the final draft increases the federal deficit, she'll vote against it, even though President Barack Obama's administration repeatedly has said he is "not open to deficit spending. Health reform will be paid for and it will be deficit neutral over 10 years," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius wrote in submitted testimony to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. "My message right now is we don't have a bill," Halvorson said. "In fact, the moderate Democrats are the ones holding off so we wouldn't have to vote on this before we left. Health care is a big issue, but just because I ran on health care doesn't mean I'm going to vote for a bill that doesn't work and costs too much money. True reform brings costs down. True reform is not what this bill is yet." (Kristen McQueary, “Dodge In, Halvorson On The Defensive,” The Southtown Star, 8/20/09)

Rep. Baron Hill (D-IN): “Said This Morning He Would Not Vote For The Health Care Reform Bill In Its Present Form.” “Congressman Baron Hill said this morning he would not vote for the health care reform bill in its present form, primarily because he believes it lacks effective health care cost controls. … ‘There are seven of us blue dogs on the committee opposed to the bill in its present form,’ Hill said. ‘We met the last two days drafting amendments to the bill that address the issue of accountability and cost controls.’ Hill said he wants the bill to control costs by shifting the system away from the fee-for-service model, which he says financially rewards doctors and hospitals in direct proportion to the number of procedures they perform. ‘We need to create a medical system that makes sure the patient comes first instead of a system that rewards doctors for overutilizing services,’ he said. ‘That means getting rid of fee-for-service.’” (Dann Denny, “Baron Hill Wants Health Care Bill Modifications,”Herald-Times, 7/16/09)

Rep. Tim Holden (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Frank Kratovil Jr. (D-MD): Opposes current legislation in the House, but remains open to public option. He opposes the measure currently under consideration in the House and will vote against it unless there are significant changes. Among his objections: the price, which would add $239 billion to the deficit over 10 years, according to a preliminary estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. He's also concerned, he says, that the measure is too generous to the poor, at the expense of the middle class, and potentially harmful to rural areas of Maryland, like the Eastern Shore, which already have trouble attracting and keeping doctors. At the same time, Kratovil speaks with evident passion about the need for change. He said in an interview that he "absolutely" would support a more "reasonable" plan, though he acknowledges that he doesn't know how to close the cost gap. Unlike many of his fellow Blue Dogs, he's not against including a public insurance option. He said he would favor one that creates an "equal playing field" and legitimate competition with private insurance companies. "I don't follow the fear that having a public option means the beginning of a single-payer system," he said, sitting in a windowless conference room at his Salisbury district office. (Paul West, “A Blue Dog Democrat's View From The Middle,” The Baltimore Sun, 8/23/09)

Rep. Jim Marshall (D-GA): “As the Bill Stands Right Now, I Would Have to Vote ‘No.’” "As the bill stands right now, I would have to vote 'no' until we get a better handle on the costs. I am adamantly opposed to throwing more money at the current system." http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?Secti...

Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY): “But I Will Not Vote For A Bill That Gets It Wrong, And If I Had To Vote Today For The Current Piece Of Legislation In Front Of Congress, I Would Not Be Able To Support It.”“U.S. Rep. Eric Massa said if he had to vote today on America's Affordable Health Care Choices Act, he would probably vote against it. ‘We all know that one in six don't have health insurance. We all know that we pay more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world. These things need to be addressed, and doing nothing, which is what so many want to do, is simply not an option,’ said Massa, D-Corning. ‘But I will not vote for a bill that gets it wrong, and if I had to vote today for the current piece of legislation in front of Congress, I would not be able to support it,’ he said Tuesday during his weekly teleconference with the media.” (Ray Finger, “Massa Wary Of Health Care Reform Bill,” Star-Gazette, 7/22/09)

Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC): I am not convinced that we should have the public option. I know there's been a lot of debate about that, but I’m not convinced that we should do that, so as it stands now, I would be a no on the public option. With regard to the coops, I think there's room for debate there on how that's done, and I’m not in favor of just dumping federal money into it, I think that's the essence of his question. http://www.wwaytv3.com/node/17942

Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-LA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09) Rep. Walt Minnick (D-ID): Rep. Walt Minnick, D-Id., is described in the Idaho Mountain Express as flatly opposing the Democrats' health care reform bill. "The government should set the rules of the road and then let private business do the work," he said. http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005127388

Rep. John Murtha (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Salomon Ortiz (D-TX): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA): Perriello said he does not currently support any of the three proposals in congress. He said he won't support a program that funds abortions, but he said it's starting to sink in with people that the feds aren't trying to do away with private insurance. "You still hear concerns about it being a public mandate rather than a public option. People are going to be given a wide range of choice between private insurance and maybe, or maybe not, a public option. I think people are starting to understand that," Perriello said. (Brian Damewood, “Locals Sound Off Over Health Care,” wset.com, 8/18/09)

Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN): I have not found a bill I can support yet. "I'm not here to sell you anything," he said. "I have not found a bill yet that I can support" -- interrupted by applause -- "I am here to listen and to learn. I believe we have problems in our health care system. We are not spending our money wisely, so I believe we have to do something." (Bob von Sternberg, A Kinder, Gentler Town Hall Meeting. The Minnesota Star Tribune 8/15/09) Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The Education And Labor Committee. “Two key House committees moved along Democratic healthcare legislation on Friday, only days after the bill was introduced. … The Education and Labor Committee approved their portion of the bill by a 26-22 vote. Democratic Reps. Jared Polis (Colo.), Dina Titus (Nev.) and Jason Altimire (Pa.) voted against the bill.” (Michael O’Brien, “House Committees Advance Healthcare Overhaul,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-ND): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The House Ways And Means Committee. “The House Ways and Means Committee approved legislation early Friday to overhaul the health care system and expand insurance coverage after a marathon session in which Democrats easily turned back Republican efforts to amend the bill. … In the Ways and Means vote, three Democrats — Ron Kind of Wisconsin, Earl Pomeroy of North Dakota and John Tanner of Tennessee — joined Republicans in voting against the bill.” (Robert Pear, “House Committee Approves Health Care Bill,” The New York Times, 7/17/09)

Rep. Mike Ross (D-AL): "I have been skeptical about the public health insurance option from the beginning and used August to get feedback from you, my constituents," he wrote in a statement his office released publicly. "An overwhelming number of you oppose a government-run health insurance option, and it is your feedback that has led me to oppose the public option as well."http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/blue_dog_ross_comes_out_agains.html

Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC): In the Tarheel State, Rep. Heath Shuler, D-NC, said during a telephone town hall meeting, per the Citizen-Times, "that he opposes the House health care reform legislation because it would increase the deficit, doesn't reduce the overall cost of health care and doesn't do enough to promote people living healthier lives… 'I do not support HR3200 at the present time,' Shuler said...emphasizing that the current legislation does not do enough to promote wellness, prevention and disease management. Nor is enough being done to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid, he said." http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI): “I Cannot Support This Bill In Its Current Form.” “‘I cannot support this bill in its current form,’ Democrat Bart Stupak said, adding it did not provide real competition for the insurance industry and could hike costs for consumers.” (Kim Dixon, “Obama Looks For Republican Healthcare Backing,” Reuters, 7/16/09)

Rep. Stupak (D-MI): “You’ve Got A Broken System. We Are Perpetuating A Broken System.” “Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) cast himself as one of eight opponents of the bill as written on Energy and Commerce. ‘You've got a broken system. We are perpetuating a broken system,’ Stupak said. ‘They've got to address our concerns, or the other option is a “no” vote.’ He also said opponents might try to block a bill by defeating the House rule on the floor.” (Jeffrey Young, “House Leaders Cheer Healthcare Progress Amid Infighting,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. Stupak (D-MI): “Why Would We Give You More Money For A System That’s Broken?” “Stupak’s concerns are varied, but they include his desire for a prohibition on federal funding for abortions as part of the public insurance option under consideration, as well as a demand for deeper cost cuts and dealing with regional disparities under Medicare. Fundamentally, the bill does not fix the broken health care system, he said. ‘Why would we give you more money for a system that’s broken?’ he asked.” (Steven T. Dennis, “Stupak Warns Of Democratic Defections On Health Bill,” Roll Call, 7/17/09)

Rep. John Tanner (D-TN): Said Rep. John Tanner, D-Tenn., according to the Commercial Appeal, "most reasonable, sensible people realize that we've got some holes in the current delivery system that are resulting in inefficiency, duplication, nonproductive ... provider-to-patient expenditures, and what I've been telling people is we need to figure that out before we start overturning the entire system...I think we need to take a deep breath and go at this thing incrementally." http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/1...

Rep. Gene Taylor (D-MS): Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., at a town hall meeting in Moss Point Monday night, said, per the Associated Press, "I would hope that everyone in this room knows by now that I am not going to vote for the health care plan." http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090819/N...

Rep. Dina Titus (D-NV): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The Education And Labor Committee. “Two key House committees moved along Democratic healthcare legislation on Friday, only days after the bill was introduced. … The Education and Labor Committee approved their portion of the bill by a 26-22 vote. Democratic Reps. Jared Polis (Colo.), Dina Titus (Nev.) and Jason Altimire (Pa.) voted against the bill.” (Michael O’Brien, “House Committees Advance Healthcare Overhaul,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO): Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-St. Louis, is among the unwavering on the public option. In a statement to Political Fix, Clay asserted today that a public insurance plan “is the only way to force insurance companies to control costs, treat their customers fairly and spur competition. (Bill Lambrecht, “Clay: Public Option “Only Way” To Control Costs, Spur Competition,” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 8/18/09)

Rep. John Conyers (D-MI): It is clear that real reform means injecting real competition into the insurance market to improve affordability and drive down health-care costs. "The centerpiece of this reform is a robust Medicare-like public health insurance plan tied to the Medicare provider system. Like many of my colleagues in both the House and Senate, I will oppose any health-care reform bill that lacks such a plan. (Rep. John Conyers, “Conyers: Public Option Is A Necessary Component Of Health-Care Reform,” Press Release 9/9/09)

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN): Sixty members of the Progressive Caucus have "drawn a line in the sand," saying they will NOT support anything short of reform that includes a public-option health insurance program. The concept of co-ops supplanting the public option plan is not good enough, those signing the letter have said. Ellison, a passionate Obama supporter, admitted following the news conference that he believes it's necessary for the president to again make it clear that the public option plan is the only acceptable solution. "There are a lot of people who think that Obama and [Secretary of Health Kathleen] Sebelius made a tactical mistake by seeming to back off. … He can't hand it [the public option] away without a political price to pay. That's not a bad thing. He might think he can walk away and say, 'I brought more reform than we've had in 60 years.' But we [in the progressive caucus] are saying, 'That's not enough.' " (Doug Grow, “Congressional Progressive Caucus 'Pep Rally' Is Still Pushing Public-Option Health Care Reform,” Minnpost.Com 8/20/09)

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY): "I'd have to think long and hard, I'd have to see if it moved health care forward," New York Rep. Eliot Engel told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "…I think it would be a terrible miscalculation if we didn't have a public option." Engel called nonprofit health cooperatives, or "co-ops" — which are being proposed as an alternative — "untested," and said that he needs proof that they would help to lower costs. (Lauren Kornreich, “House Democrat: 'Terrible Miscalculation' To Skip Public Option,” CNN.com, 8/18/09)

Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA): "There is no option when it comes to reforming America's ailing healthcare system. We must do it. And there is no option for inclusion of a public plan. We must have it. Real reform requires real choice. A public option provides consumers a critical alternative to private plan. (Rep. Chaka Fattah, “Healthcare: Public Option Mirrors Other Government Insurance Plans,” Press Release, 8/21/09)

Rep. Phil Hare (D-IL): “….in recent days there have been some reports that the President may reconsider requiring a strong, robust public option that competes directly with private insurance companies. That would be a mistake. Health care reform without a public option is a like a car without a motor. It may look nice, but it isn’t going anywhere.” (Ed Tibbetts, “Hare To Biden: Don’t Drop Public Option,” The Quad City Times, 8/20/09)

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL): Jackson held a town hall meeting last night - with CNN cameras present - that he described to King as civil before laying down a marker for his friend, the president. "A hundred and sixty members of Congress have already signed a letter indicating that without a strong public option, from their perspective, including my signature, that this bill is a non-starter," Jackson said. (Steve Rhodes, “Prescription For Debate,” NBC Chicago.com, 8/20/09)

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): Liberal Democrats are terrified that he will jettison their Holy Grail, while conservatives fear that a vote for a public option - characterized by opponents as leading to government-run health care - could doom them in tough re-election fights. "This is not a sliver of health care reform, this is essential," said Rep. Barbara Lee, an Oakland Democrat, one of 60-plus House liberals who vow to vote against any plan without a public option. Lee said she hopes Obama will clearly state his support. "This is really a moral imperative," she said. "This is a huge issue." (Carolyn Lochhead, “Dems Pin Health Reform Hopes On Obama's Speech, The San Francisco Chronicle, 9/8/09)

Rep. Jerrod Nadler (D-NY): "We are making clear to the leadership that we insist on a robust public option and our votes won't be there if there isn't a public option," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.), a senior member of the House Progressive Caucus. Whether they would actually vote no is unclear. Some working to pass the measure find the threat unpersuasive. The Progressive Caucus has 82 members, enough to defeat a health bill, since virtually all 178 House Republicans are likely to vote no. (Laura Meckler and Naftali Bendavid, “Liberals Fear Losing Public-Plan Option,” The Wall Street Journal, 7/29/09)

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL): Meanwhile, Jan Schakowsky, a leading progressive Democratic lawmaker, said liberals were not prepared to climb down. “I will support nothing short of a robust public health insurance plan upon implementation – no triggers,” she said. “I believe Congress will pass and the president will sign such a bill.” (Edward Luce, “Obama Seeks To Quell Healthcare Revolt,” The Financial Times, 9/3/09)

Rep. Peter Stark (D-CA): "Well, the only co-op I know about is when I used to milk cows and we sold the milk to Golden Guernsey. And I think there's only one co-op left," said Stark, who considers the co-op idea a non-starter. "There aren't many of you listening who remember the co-ops of the '30s, which was a - just kind of a Roosevelt outgrowth of rural electric co-ops, phone co-ops." (David Lightman and William Douglas, “Health Care Debate Exposes Regional Rift For Democrats,” McClatchy Newspapers, 9/3/09)

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA): Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) agreed with Conyers's ominous analysis and warned that House liberals will not settle for the kind of compromise that might be necessary in the Senate. "You're asking whether or not we will support some other alterative to public option, and I want to be very, very clear," she told MSNBC's Ed Schultz. "We've got to have a public option. I will not vote for anything that doesn't have a public option." (Eric Zimmermann, ”Black Caucus Members: It's Public Option Or Nothing,” The Hill 9/9/09)

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY): Reform proponents like Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) say he won't have the votes for one that doesn't. "Having a plan that doesn't have a public option is worse than having doing nothing at all," he said. "Leaving the insurance companies in charge of this is kind of like leaving a pyromaniac in charge of the fire department. (Don Dahler, “No Public Option Is A Mistake,” wcbstv.com, 8/17/09)

Rep. Lynn Woosley (D-CA): Woolsey said she will vote against any measure that lacks a “robust public option” based on the Medicare model and intended to compete with private insurance. Without it, health care remains “business as usual,” Woolsey said by phone from an education conference in Banff, Alberta. “It’s not reform without the public option.” (Mike Coit, “Woolsey, House Liberals Demand 'Public Option' Health Plan,” The Press Democrat, 8/18/09)

Dang..that was one long ass scroll I just had to do....

Knowledge is power

I hate to go all Obama on you, but not this time. Not now.

Take that long ass novel elsewhere.

Cause regardless of who said what and who polled what, it's us on the right that look the ass tonight.

And two words probably just lost us the Blue Dogs. So if that's all you've got as hope, I suggest alcohol.

LOL

LMAO

People are passionate about the issues, especially health care or have you forgotten.

That was passion. Point. Blank. NO ONE WANTS THIS.

NO ONE? Awhile ago, you were speaking for all Independents and now you're saying NO ONE wants this. It doesn't work. Absolutes rarely do.

He meant no one in the magical land of Oz

Don't listen to me, look the polls a-hole

No one means no one - get it? And just by virtue of your being here and responding to people who DO want it, disproves your 'no one' meme.

Jesus Christ. Does your mother know you're still up? Didn't she put you to bed with your bottle two hours ago? Need your binkie?

Idiot, Hotspot VPN can you articulate a complete sentence.

LMAO!

Word, you made me laugh out loud!

Well: one of two things happened: 1) He (?) found his binkie OR 2) His (?) mother found him still up and ......

D,

I am so angry until I can't see straight. He did it because he has no respect for the President. The sob need to resign!

That.is.all.

Let me take a wild guess you probably have said worst things about former President Bush and now your upset and crying over this.

POOR, POOR LIBERAL ITS OKAY. YOUR POLICIES ARE AN UTTER FAILURE BUT ITS OKAY. YOU LIE AND SMEAR REPUBLICANS BUT IT IS OKAY.

LIBERALISM = DEPOTISM

ENJOY, IF YOU CAN

Cut the bullshit! Not one single Democratic Rep. has ever disrespected Bush during a speech. Wilson is an ignorant bigot and should be called out for the bullshit he pulled tonight.

Bush 2005 State of the Union


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM





Know your facts

No, Bush never tried to remake health care when we have the best health care in the world. So I understand the passion and anger.

Probably, yes. We have what is arguably the premier conglomeration of medical facilities in the world, in the state that has the highest percentage of uninsured citizens.

That's America for you.

Liberals are never satisfied instead of working on plans to ensure everyone and improve quality you see things totally different. Socialized health care doesn't work.

I'm wondering just what you were thinking when you typed this. The legislation being proposed is pitched as achieving just what you describe...insure everyone and improve quality. Exactly what in the proposed legislation will result in "socialized medicine"? Did you just feel as if you had to type something in response, so you did?

Look man I don't have time to argue with someone who is ignorant to capitalism. How in the hell do you sustain our level of innovation and quality is you NATIONALIZED the damn health care, it really isn't that difficult to understand which is why there are millions in DC protesting.

I'm asking you to explain how the HCR proposals will result in NATIONALIZED healthcare. Can you do that?

What "millions"?

You know what's most striking about reading your irrational statements here?

Nah, I think I'll leave it alone:).

What do think the business community is going to do when this passed offload to cut cost. Think about or are you gullible.

Are you saying they'll dump their employee on the public insurance plan? They won't if the want to retain competent employees Besides, if you're such a "independent" libertarian, why do you think employers should provide health insurance in the first place?

Do you think most companies care for their employees or returning a profit for their shareholders.. I'll let you figure that out. If you have any kind of economic common sense you should know the answer to this question.

You didn't really answer my questions, but that's alright. You were mildly entertaining, but that's worn off. Babble away.

Yea whatever I've figured out your suffering from liberal delusions.

Bush and his henchmen were too busy lying about wmd's to get us into an illegal war. Cut the bullsh!t.

YEA DUMBASSS THE WMD'S THAT SADDAM USED TO KILL THE THOUSANDS OF KURDS. THAT REAL US SERVICEMEMBERS, LIKE MYSELF HAD TO GO AND DEFEND THE KURDS, BUT HEY IT'S HOPE AND CHANGE NOW AND YOU ALL HATE THE MILITARY SO WE DON'T MEAN CRAP TO YOU LIBERALS.

You do know those WMDs Saddam Hussein were sold to him by our gov't, correct?

You're were or are in the military? You don't know what you're talking about. Some of us, myself included, were in the military. So you can stop with that bullshit.

Yea so what's your damn point. just because you give someone WMD's does not GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO USE THEM AGAINST YOUR PEOPLE. YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT

The point, dimwit. Since we sold him WMDs, we knew EXACTLY how many or how much of any one thing he had. You're on your own now. The rest of us have to work.

Idiot you e-mail me this BS. You have the no honor and respect for your own country. Did you go to Iraq, if not then STF up. Because you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Plenty of nations have WMD's it doesn't give you the right to use them on your people.

Are you stupid or what.

What does having gone to Iraq have to do anything? You think because you served in the military that gives you the right to do or say anything you want? No, it doesn't.

Are you stupid or what? Are you an idiot? I have more honor than you could ever dream of having by virtue of being a liberal whose major concern is my fellow Americans. Loving your country is a lot harder than simply loving a piece of cloth (the flag) or pronouncing the rest of the world your empire.

You have no idea what it means to serve this land. You call it racist and full of hate. You think our wars are unjust and without merit. You have never been to Iraq. You have never seen the damage and destruction Saddam inflicted on his people. Weak liberal.

You think freedom is free. You obviously are delusional to the facts of the matter. What gives you, Mr. Liberal, to so damn outspoken against the men and women WHO HAVE SACRIFICED THERE LIVES for the freedom of the Iraqis, you are not a patriot you are a Benedict Arnold.

I never said any of that - and certainly not to you.

The freedom of the Iraqis? See how brainwashed you are. This was NEVER about the Iraqis. The Iraqis didn't have anything to do with 9/11, which was the alleged impetus for all this shit.

Regardless I understand where you are coming from, but look at the harm and destruction Saddam inflicted on the Kurds, mothers, fathers children killed from gas and acid being poured on them.

Do you have any kind of humanity for people?

For God sake what kind of American are you?

We're done. You spout bullshit that your ilk throws out to paint us as weak and unAmerican. It doesn't work. We're not, but don't let the truth smack in the face. You're just spiraling around in circles and I'm not interested in dispelling lies for your "benefit."

Man go to work.

Bush was too busy pushing an illegal war and destroying our economy to fuck up health care, also. Thank goodness.

And, with that stated, I stick with my first comment, "no Democratic Rep has ever disrespected Bush during a speech."

MORE LIBERAL LIES KEEP THEM COMING. LIES LIES AND MORE LIES YOU ALL JUST CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH. YOU ARE FINISHED IN 2010.

YEA THAT'S RIGHT BUSH MADE EVERYONE BUY HOMES THEY COULDN'T AFFORD, DAMN I FORGOT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE, THANKS FOR THE REMINDER. OH AND THE WAR YES THE WAR WHERE SADDAM KILLED KURDS WITH GAS YES THOUSANDS OF THEM, BUT YEA HE DIDN'T HAVE WMD. EVEN THOUGH HE KILLED THOUSANDS OF THEM.

WHAT A DUMBASS

WHO IS NEXT

YOU WEAKASS LIBERALS ARE FUNNY

WTF?

Personal responsibility? From a conservative Bush supporter? Now that's laughable.
Bush invaded a sovereign country, in an illegal war, no less. He sent many young Americans to battle and death, based on a lie. Millions of Iraqi citizens lost their lives. I bet, the Kurds would rather have Saddam, than this quagmire.

BTW.....The Iraqi War is what, 6 to 7 years old and yet, no WMD's? GTFOOH

*Puts on my liberal badge, proudly" Thank you very much!

Who the hell are you criticize the war and your probably the typical lazy liberal who disrespects our men and women in harms way. This war FREED people you idiot. Unlike your liberal lies.

FAILED POLICIES OF LIBERALS ON DISPLAYS:

PUBLIC SCHOOLS
MILITARY CUTS
MEDICARE


What a joke.

Again..... (sighing) your = not the contraction for you are. You're = you are. JesusChrist - find an English primer on grammar and punctuation.

Grow up this is a blog.

Grow up this is a blog.

Grow up this is a blog.

Who'd the war free in Iraq? In Afghanistan? You're nothing but a troll who doesn't think or ponder anything. Not to mention just downright rude.

Free - my ass..... how many hours a day are the Iraqis getting electricity now? And how about the women? How free are they? That's the measure of a society's freedom.

You want to talk freedom. Afghanistan....who's free there. Christ - Karzai just 100% of the vote in one sector/region. 100%.

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/news-mainmenu-28/9...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...

I'm done; gotta work.

You are not a God loving American, you are a Benedict Arnold who is not proud of our country or military.

God, Country and Family

Stick a fork in Wilson; He's so DONE!

yeah, he's becoming famous for all of the wrong reasons

NO INDEPENDENTS WILL VOTE DEMOCRAT IN 2010. YOUR PARTY SUCKS
YOU CONTROL THE HOUSE, SENATE AND THE PRESIDENCY AND YOU CAN'T EVEN PASS A HEALTH CARE BILL

THE REPUBLICANS CAN'T STOP IT AND YOU STILL CAN'T PASS IT.

That's a lie!

I'm a Indie and I don't vote parties, I vote issues. However, the Repugs will never get my vote. If the Dems screw this up it's third party for me.

Good go third party. They never win. Look at Ralph Nader.

I will take a losing third party candidate over any Republican asshole.

Good GOODBYE WE HAVE ENOUGH INDEPENDENTS COMING BACK. LOOK AT THE POLLS. CAN YOU SAY LAME-DUCK PRESIDENCY.

Bull! Most of the conservative Independents are only claiming Independent because of Steele. They will continue to vote Republican, against their own best intrest.

GO VOTE WITH RALPH NADER.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!
The troll is like a caged animal ready to strike at its prey or escape. If you tempt the troll, it will continue to be ignorant, rant, rave, and lose all sense of credibility.
Repeat, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

AND I PROJECT SIGNIFICANT DEM'S LOSSES IN 2010. IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK YOU ARE MAKING THIS EASY FOR THE REPUBLICANS

1980 ELECTORAL COLLEGE

REAGON 489
CARTER 49

OH ITS SO LOVELY

Right, because it's just soooooo easy to pass health care legislation in this country.

STFU you idiot. There is no bill to pass yet
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5314/cornerd...

Your finished. The democrats are imploding before the American people. If the health care issue wasn't so serious, it would be funny to watch the politics with the Democrat Party rip it up.

COUNTDOWN TO 2010.

Get your sorry losing ass out of here. We don't give a rats ass that you're angry. The President knocked it out of the mofo-ing park.

Back at the track, at the wall...it's outta here!!!!! Y.A.R.D.!

We will see tomorrow. Admit it this is not going to pass.

If you're so sure about it..then why are you worried?

Why keep posting it on a blog? Fuck that!

I'm not you are

Good night Dixiecrat

Racism on display here. It looks like that Dixiecrat is showing her true colors. Here.

YALL GET OUTTA HERE, YA HERE

Kiss my entire black ass!

He's like Wil E. Coyote after running off of the cliff, but before looking down and realizing he's done so. LOL, it's kind of funny.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA

I'm choking from laughing. Somebody call 911.

Too f-ing funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your done give it up. The polls speak for themselves.

Have fun with the paid commenters

Libs how are those polls looking, yea its looking like the

REPUBLICANS WILL BE BACK IN 2010 AND 2012

PALIN 2012

Palin?

It took her 6 years and several colleges to earn a 4 year degree, in journalism, no less. GTFOOH!

Did you hit your head?

Are you inebriated?

How are those polls, yea it sucks for you fifty members in the house (who are democrat). Who's district went for McCain in the 2008 election.

FREE MARKET HEALTH CARE

TORT REFORM
PORTABLE HEALTH CARE
TAX CREDITS
TAX DEDUCTIONS

ARE YOU GUYS SO DAMN ACADEMIC ARROGRANT THAT YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Oooh, all caps. Now I'm scared.

:o)

Good to bed. It all be better after 2010.

Yup, with more and (to borrow from Kos) better Dems, and with terrific poll numbers for President Obama.

Now take your monkey-ass to sleep, Skippy.

rotflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson's opponent speaks:

"Representative Wilson's behavior tonight exemplifies everything that is wrong in Washington," Democrat Rob Miller said in a statement provided to CNN. "Instead of engaging in childish name-calling and disrespecting our Commander-in-Chief, Joe Wilson should be working towards a bipartisan solution that makes quality, affordable health care available to each and every South Carolinian.

Miller added: "He owes both the President and the people of this district an apology for his embarrassing behavior during tonight's speech

Source

nice chatting with you Obamabots (u know I kid) but I must retire
A very good nite indeed!

Come back early...

See you in the morning!

No healthcare bill

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

YOU got nothing...

Now go off to bed or follow Palin's twitter or whatever U do

Goodnite... Independent of 2008 come back when you live in 2009

Nah I think I'll stay Independent2008 because i will certainly be Republican2012.

Here is a recap for you

How are those polls, yea it sucks for you fifty members in the house (who are democrat). Who's district went for McCain in the 2008 election.

FREE MARKET HEALTH CARE

TORT REFORM
PORTABLE HEALTH CARE
TAX CREDITS
TAX DEDUCTIONS

Weren't you just making fun of education and academics, but you can't use common grammar . Who's district = Whose district. Who's = who is. Who's is a contraction.

Hello idiot, this is a blog, not English Comp. Sorry if I type to fast for you to comprehend I know the future is bleak for you. So you have my sympathy.

This is what home schooling does!!

You wanna talk about home schooling look at you gov't ran/public schools. Here are some names of communities where your policies are a failure: Baltimore Public Schools, Washington, DC, Philadelphia. There major cities, now I can continue but the obvious true you suck which is why DC residents support school vouchers and not your FAILED policies.

You need to take your faggot ass away from here!

WEAK LIBERAL GO TO BED BOI, IT IS PASS YOUR BED TIME. BABY-KILLING LIBERAL. YALL PARTY KILL MORE BLACK BABIES THROUGH ABORTION, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE HEADED DOWN THE ROAD OF SELF-DESTRUCTION.

If you type too fast, ya mean. It's too - denoting too much of something...

Nope - that's not it. It's not about typing, comprehension or my future. It's about your lack of grammatical skills. See - if you can't construct a simple sentence, then you have a hard time making your point. And if I were you, I wouldn't piss off Justice - she'll clean up using you as the mop.

BHAWAAHAWAA

Look asswipe,

Raise up off of Wordsmith. GTFOH!

Get some sleep Dixiecrat.

Get the fuck out of here!

Good nite dixiecrat

Got dammit. Leave me alone. Go on.

After all that, the defense of a public option was even weaker than I'd even imagined. Already watered down to barely recognizable, like the orange drink at a grade school Christmas pageant, Obama all but begged for it to be thrown out of final legislation by stressing how big a deal it isn't. He chastised the progressives, who have done nothing but ask him to follow through on his campaign promises, while demanding nothing of conservatives who have actively sabotaged him. He basically begged the Re-thugs to please play nice with him. Then when Joe Flippin' Wilson, perhaps the singularly dumbest Redneck in the entire South, busted on him mid-speech he did nothing but pause. If nothing, THAT, was a teachable moment. He wouldn't have even needed to raise his voice. He *needed* to say--directly--that such behavior from a representative of the people (unfortunately, Wilson is from my home state of SC), isn't just personally rude but is an affront to the American people. In almost the very next breath he threatens to "call people out" for spreading lies about the health care plan. You'll pardon me if I consider this threat as toothless as the so-called health care reform.

Actually, I think he offered a great defense of the public option comparing the private and public universities. He didn't beg for it to be thrown out, he merely stated that he thinks it's been getting too much attention. I think it will be getting less attention (at least as far as it relates to Obama) after that speech. Now people will still be going after Congress (and they should be).

The analogy is apt, but it wasn't a defense of a robust public option that will actually act to control the abuses of the insurance industry. It was merely a re-statement of a basic fact that people who are intellectually honest already understand. Government-sponsored/subsidized products compete head-to-head with private products all the time and in practically every industry.

What Obama did was frame the public option as practically inconsequential to the nebulous goals of competition and cost control--which themselves are a long way from the "universal care" of his campaign rhetoric--by specifically emphasizing their long delay in starting (why does he know it takes 4 years to "get it right" when what "it" is left undefined?) and by making the public option an option of last resort. Nothing else that was mentioned in the speech, or anywhere else publicly, does what a public option was originally conceived to do--keep insurers honest by forcing them to compete straight up with an alternative that is already known to the paying public (i.e., Medicaid/Medicare). A non-profit co-op could do this in theory, but only if structured *AS* the public option. If the authors were willing to do that case then by definition a co-op wouldn't be an *alternative* to the public option. It would just be a different form.

The notion that the public option has received too much attention is the worst kind of sophistry. It's the only part of this entire legislation that can legitimately be cast as reform rather than re-shuffling. Making people buy the schlock that Blue Cross and others sell with no real guarantees of Medicare-type quality is little more than a boon for the industry. They'll gladly give up denials based on previous conditions in return for completely captive markets required by law to buy whatever they say is good. That's not reform--that's a swindle.

Amen brother! You said it much better than I could- it's just a swindle. The private insurance will still keep control of most of the market with what he laid out last night.

My favorite most statemans line tonight.

"We did not come here to fear the future, we are here to shape the future'

I liked that one too.

said like a drunk man

Ed Schultz is saying what I'm thinking. I was really glad to see some passion, that's what's been missing.

Does ED drink? He looks a little toasted.

LMAO! He's just hype!

ok ok he looks hyped allright!!!!!!!!
I guess I get hyped also
I just checked out your blog 100% agree

Rachel is gonna show that sucker apologize...he better and he should be on every news show in the morning apologizing and then all day and then another night

Yeah he will apologize...then say he didn't really apologize, once Rush gets to him

His opponent has raised over $25,000 since his outburst, I'm sure he's catching hell.

and now Keith is going to do a special comment about him. . .

It won't matter. Lexington County, SC is the most idiotic district in America. Joe Wilson is what you'd get if Forest Gump became a bitter, angry alcoholic.

that man deserves the ridicule he will get

Watching Rachel, SMH@ Vitter's letter. Sleazy is the right word for it.

The more I think about what happen tonight is the more I am getting pissed."LIAR" Rethugs yelled out.Even Charlie Gibson himself said he has never seen or heard about the President of the United States being called a liar..Charlie "fuking"Gibson.They, the republicans have said he is a muslim,black nationalist christian,socialist,communist,nazi like,not a citizen and many other things.But tonight a constitutional sworn member of our government, called our President a liar.At the very least and I am talking to you Speaker Pelosi that,that vile,crude,lower than salamander excrement should be censored and made to kiss President Obama's ass till its shiny like a 72 Fleetwood Brougham.We cannot work with these idiots.Like a lot of people have told us "If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas".And that is what you get with republicans.A blood sucking parasite who doesn't do the body good but just sucks you dry for its only benefit.I say it before and I am saying it again.FUCK THEM, FUCK THEM ALL.Republicans have no morals to speak of to contribute towards fixing our nation.That is all.

Say it!

Wilson need to be punished! I mean punished and made an example of because if he gets away with it...what will these sob's do next?

They say he called the White House to talk to Obama directly but got Rahm on the line.

What he did was against House rules and he needs to be punished ASAP. After all, that's what Founding Fathers wrote and we need to stick to what the Founding Fathers intended, right?

Right...Wilson's outburst was not an attractive look for our Founding Fathers... It's in the Constitution doncha know!

Actually, it's not.

But have at. I won't tell.

O make no mistake Obama is PISSED. That mofo is toast, in any politically possible way, he will be run out of his district...and the scandals and tawdry seams of his life will be revealed, exposed and shared round the world by the end of next week!!

Co-Signing!

Heh.

LMAO, Imagine calling and expecting to hear the nice, calm, reassuring voice of Obama and getting Rahm? I bet he crapped his pants, or at least pooted.

Fuck him! His ass should resign!

First he got to grovel endure scorn from his peers... public rebukes from his constituency...then he can resign.

The ironic thing is, I just wrote a blog like an hour before the speech about people (Republicans) disrespecting Obama.

Barney Frank is on with Rachel right now, talking about Wilson. Saying it's a sign of how effective Obama was, and Boehner looked as "glum and dour as he possibly could be." LOL, love this guy.

He's apologized. From the Washington Post:

After the speech, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel approached two Republican House leaders, Roy Blunt and Paul Ryan and said, "No president has ever had that happen," and urged them to have the lawmaker "apologize immediately."

<snip>

By 10:30 p.m., Wilson had apologized.

"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me," Wilson said. "While I disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility."

Rahm don't play that.

Too, late now, Wilson. You showed ya ass for the whole world to see.

"My sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility? How about apologizing for being WRONG? This isn't an apology, it''s bull shyt.

booky, the bastard is not accepting personal responbility for his behavior. "for this lack of civility." He didn't own it, if he did he would have said, "I apologieze for MY lack of civility."

Censure his ass.

Someone start the petition.

Oh, snap! D talkin' about censuring a Republican?

Double-U-Tee-Eff?

I agree!

That's the D I like!

You're a smart guy who has no business being with those creeps!

I <3 D.

where is the proof?????

It ain't enough...he needs to grovel.

like they make Black people....over and over and over again

He should be pelted with rotten eggs, kitty litter and dog poop, as well.

HA! Well, it's too late now, people are all ready looking up his opponent and donating to him. As it turns out, the jerk is up for re-election in 2010 (which is probably why we got the fast apology).

He's in the House; they have to run for re-election every two years, so that shouldn't be his most important thought. The fact that he lacks decorum and civility is all the reason to have to apologize, because, as a Congressman, he is basically always running for re-election.

if jjp gets a clip put it up, the best analysis of the republican party ---- they got nothing!

A closer look at the First Lady's outfit

http://mrs-o.org/

Pretty in Pink she was. Wonder who design'?

Nice, The First Lady sparkles; and she gave her man a thumbs up too.

Like Keith Olbermann stated~ Joe Wilson need to apologize, resign and then leave the country. If nothing is done about it, what will they do next?

Disrespecting the President canNOT be tolerated!

I thought Keith O was looking for another candidate for 2012 since Obama didn't measure up--before the speech. What a hypocrite.

Keith Olberman isn't a hypocrite; he simply wanted the President to stand by a strong Public Option and has been standing by that position. After tonight, most progressives will be satisfied by the President's resolve to have a public option, a strong one, in the final bill. He is staying right on course with his convictions and has always been a strong supporter of the President, but he will not blindly follow him if he is straying from his progressive roots or campaign statements. That's what I admire about KO a lot.

The problem is that Obama has ALWAYS stood by a strong public option. It's not Obama's fault that KO was too busy kissing the ring of Tom Brokaw instead of watching his town halls.

yes all of these freaks talking about my #1 President need to STFU ......he got this........hahahahahaah

Teehee!

<<Snickers>>

He really is. Wishy washy ass! But he still spoke the truth about Joe Wilson.

LOL

Wilson apologized. His "emotions got the best of him."

Now the b^t^h need to resign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go mofo!

More like somebody got all up in his ass. I expect somebody will get in Boehner and Cantor's asses, too.

That would be Rahm who got all up in Blunt and Ryan's ass to get him to apologize "immediately."

Please, Justice, folks have lost their minds.

Folks don't have agree with President Obama's policies, but the name calling, i.e, 'punk-ass, weak" and blatant disrespect, racial slurs..., pure hate, and contempt. Sorry, but when you go after the president like that, you're going after my people.... I'm not down with this shit, not at all.

I got ya back, spirit.

Check out the blog I wrote literally an hour before the speech: http://muzikalthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/09/bla...

Rikyrah-

Did I miss your thoughts on this? Just curious.

Public option or bust????? The argument is a dead issue..........President hit a homerun. It will be interesting to see what happens next. It looks as if the Progressives cannot say much.

You are trying to make it out like progressives are just looking for a reason to criticize him, which is not the case. Progressives just wanted him to take a strong stance. Now that we are all supposedly re-united how about we stop bickering about pre-speech issues?

lol

She's waiting for Craig Hickman and Icebergslim so they can get the coordinated black upper class left response.

It's kinda like the republican rebuttall.

Will they be speaking from the SheilaJacksonLee room?

No, it will be the S. Tubbs-Jones room.

Edit: I'm being bad, I need to go my ass to bed.

LMAO....I started to write the Tubbs Memorial room...but decided I had to let her RIP.

Besides, did you see JacksonLee pointing her finger at PBO, as he was leaving..she was yammering and just stabbing her index finger...but Obama moved on, kinda brushed her antics off.

Nice!!

Oh my... Shall I wait or retire for the evening?

LOL. I know, right?

You will Notice this is the Thread "WRAP-UP."

hehehehehehe

Overall, I liked the speech.

I did NOT like the line about young people not getting insurance because we think we are invincible. No, we don't get it because we can't AFFORD it. Obama understood that during the campaign, but now he's saying the same thing Hillary was saying. Which leads me to the other thing I don't like-- MANDATES. I'm tired of people telling me I HAVE to pay for stuff. If someone doesn't have insurance but they can afford it, fine, charge them an arm and a leg when they go to the emergency room. But don't FORCE us to get health insurance.

He's not entirely off. Many young people do not get health insurance in lieu of having money for other uses because they don't imagine they will need it. Also, if you get whacked by a car tomorrow, and you have no health insurance, you won't end of paying a fortune. The hospital will either write it off, or you will be billed. At which point you would most likely file for bankruptcy, and everyone else will foot the bill in the form of increased fees etc.

I do agree that most young people who don't have insurance don't have it because they had other more immediately pressing bills and didn't think they'd need to go to the doctor. But I submit, that if it didn't cost so much to get a decent plan, they'd go on and shell out the money. Whatever plan you could get right now would still be really expensive to someone fresh out of school and not cover all that needs to be covered.

It's expensive to go to the doctor with no insurance, I know that because I've had to do it a couple of times in the last year. But I can't afford another bill right now. Hopefully I'll find a job that has benefits soon, but in this economy even those aren't as plentiful.

Truth be told, you still pay a fortune with crappy insurance. So I'm all for reforming the insurance industry and putting in more safeguards, but I don't think he needs to mandate people to buy it. And yes, I know there are hardship exemptions, so what's going to happen to those people, the government is going to pay for their health insurance?

The notion that young people don't buy because they think they're invincible is all Chicago School, moral hazard bullshit. No real people think this way, and these claims come without a shred of empirical evidence. This is the kind of crap that economists make up to explain data that seem anomalous. When you assume that all market outcomes happen because buyers wanted to be that way you have to do lots of mental gymnastics to make it work.
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The mandate to buy insurance is the sell out to the insurance industry to get them to stop declines based on prior medical conditions. Young people tend to work the most physically demanding jobs and to work the jobs most likely to come with no insurance. They're entering the labor force at a time when the economy has completely turned to a service economy. They're also not dumb. They recognize that anyone can get hurt on the job.

He stated that if you could not afford to purchase health insurance you could get a waiver. Did you miss that part of the speech? He also said that young folks like you could buy a low cost catastrophic policy.

Please stop the whining.

I'm not whining, I'm stating my opinion. No, I didn't miss that part of the speech, but I've been pretty consistently against Mandates, that's the reason I supported his health care plan over Hillary's during the primary.

My issue with the young people line was the line itself (because it's not true), not the policy that followed.

Okay. You as a young person choose not to buy health insurance, regardless of the cost. I as a middle aged person subsidizes your stay in the hospital emergency room or intenstive care unit by way of higher premiums on my insurance. What is wrong with that picture?

He assured you that if you are young and low income --- fine, you get a hardship waiver. If you are young and higher income, you can buy a low cost < than a $100 dollars a month even in today's uncompetitive insurance market, a catastrophic policy.

All I am hearing from you is selfishness and whining.

Did I say I was refusing to buy health insurance regardless of the cost? No. How about you read what I actually SAID. If it's affordable, I will buy it, I don't need the government to MANDATE me to do it. That is my point.

But you and your progressive friends want to mandate single payer on the entire population, willing or unwilling? And you bitch because the government mandates a very small price on you, one that anyone in civilized society should be willing to pay?

Where have I ever said I'm in favor of single payer? I've never said that. So how about you stop assuming things about me because you clearly don't know.

You were one of the biggest "Obama has fucked up healthcare" voices on this blog in late July and early August. I didn't comment, but I made a mental note of you. He was a punk then, and a hero now. Princess syndrome.

Go to bed little girl. It's late.

He did fuck up, and he admitted it. Now he's learned his lessons and it's full steam ahead. What are you a stalker?

Y'all stop!

Same team....Same team!

Be nice! :)

Wilson's outburst caused Obama to pause briefly before he went on with his speech. Overhead in the visitors' gallery, first Lady Michelle Obama shook her head from side to side.

WRB, are you going to try and make it to the Target Center in Minneapolis Saturday? PBO's coming to town. Doors open 9:30 am- Program starts 12:30 pm.

Do we need tickets? How can I be down? How come I heard about this on TV this morning and not an email from DFL? Melendez (to the JJP crew out of state, he is the State Democratic Party Chair who always emails me asking for money) gots some splainin to do.

Hi TyrenM,

Here's the 411:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/pr...

Thanks. Always on top of thangz.

YEPPER!! I have seen him every single time he was here except for one. I plan to be out there early...waiting...and you know they will be hawking paraphenalia...plan to buy some too!

I'm really shocked at this. The level of disrespect is incredible, and something you would have never seen with any other President.

Congress needs to censure Wilson immediately.

"Congress needs to censure Wilson immediately."

And permanently. Muhfuckin' asswipe. I WISH I was sittin' in Congress tonight. Ya'll woulda seen Capitol po-po takin' a brotha away, cuz I woulda been like "I'm from a small town called 'Fresh off a Cracka's Ass', and Wilson made me homesick."

CTFU!!!!@

"I'm from a small town called 'Fresh off a Cracka's Ass', and Wilson made me homesick."

Immediately!

I want something done to this disrespectful b^t^h!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson, needs to be publically shunned in the halls of Congress by all decent patriotic Americans, and Congresspeople...shun him....show him nothing but scorn...treat him like spittle.

Obama had a look on his face like "I WISH this fool would jump up at me."

Biden was shaking his head like "Uh oh, shit's 'bout to go down now," and Pelosi was looking at him like "Hold up. I know he di'ent. I just know he di'ent."

Boehner and Cantor were looking like "Damn when's this shit gonna be over?" during the whole speech and Michelle Obama was side eyeing people left and right like "Yeah, bitches, knuckle up."

*LMAO*

Pelosi was ready to take her earrings off.

ROFLMAO - you paint a helluva picture! LMAO

LMAO, that's why i'm late to this party--I replayed that shyt ten times out of disbelief. These redneck-scum-cr#ckas done sunk to a new low.

Those two seconds that PBO glared over there must've felt like infinity to corn-pone trailer-trash congressman. This is how I interpreted PBO...

Whitetrash SC Rep: Yuur Lie!

PBO: <Speaking through Eyes>You want some of this bytch? Come down to this podium...I will knock the shyt out of you.

Webb

He can't get away with this ish! Not this time!

We need to push tomorrow and make some noise!

Nah Nah Nah! We can't stand for the blatant disrespect! Hell Naw!

Pelosi looked like she was about to climb up over that podium and take her earrings off.

Obama was looking at him like "Don't Play."

Times like these I miss SNL, I'd LOVE to see Kristin Wigg act that out. LOL!

LOL! Pelosi looked at VP Biden and said, 'I don't need no muthafucking vaseline."

Webb, these muthafucking crackas are despicable, just plain crazy hateful.

yes hahahaha Michelle was about to take on all of them.....Wonder Woman

Yeah, them "bitches better knucle up."

Craig Hickman..

did you watch?

What did YOU think Rikyrah? Why do you need to know what Craig thinks? Why is Craig's opinion anymore valuable than any other opinions expressed here? Does Booman, Nate Silver or Big Al ask what anyone else in their circle thinks before they give their opinion? Is there a need for a coordinated (oh so proper) black upperclass response.

You folks are too much.

Webb? Where are you Webb?

What's up Alex2? My bad--missed your comment last night--blame it on the alcohol.

Damn!

So, expressing disappointment in Obama has now become a class issue? I don't think it's healthy to agree 100% with any politician. Obama has stated in the past that he wants to be held accountable. What's wrong with calling him out, when he is clearly riding the fence.

It's one thing to hold him accountable. It's another to tear him down.

Because Craig had taken a hiatus from watching any political tv, and I just wanted to know. I had been scanning the threads, and I've been reading the remarks from the JJP regulars, and Craig's was missing.

of course I have my own opinion, but my criticism of The President has not been appreciated as of late. so, I wanted the threads for JJP readers to express their opinions.

Well here's what NateSilver and Schaller had to say:

On the one hand, Obama needed to appeal to liberals -- both the 60 or so members of the House who have threatened to vote against a watered-down bill, and the much broader, activist community who has grown wary of what they perceive as a Clintonian president who is too willing to compromise. On the other hand, he needed to appeal to independent voters and their brethren, among whom Obama's approval ratings and sentiment toward his health care package have fallen significantly. He could afford to skip over the broad mainstream of the Democratic Party, who are going to be happy with more or less anything the that he does on health care, and the quarter or so of country who disapproved of Obama from Day One and won't care for what he has to say no matter what.

I think Obama accomplished both of those things -- with some margin to spare. On the one hand, there was no absence of red meat for the liberals. Lies were called out as lies. The Republicans, who seemed to lack an understanding of the theatrics in the room, were at several points made to look petty and stupid. And Obama made the moral case for health care reform, something many liberals -- including yours truly -- have been urging him to do for a long time.

On the other hand, there was a lot of the "bipartisan" pivoting of the sort that made Obama very popular during his 2004 DNC convention speech. He made himself look like the reasonable party in the room. He got a smile out of John McCain, and a golf clap out of John Boehner. At the end of the day, he probably acknowledged the sacrifice of the "robust" public option (although a version with a trigger remains possible, and perhaps even likely). But he got some mileage out of it: using it as the left goalpost by which he'd confidently kick the field goal through.

I called the speech a triple, because I think it was about 10 minutes too long. Andrew Sullivan's readers call it a home run. FOX News, I'm sure, will call it a long fly-out to the warning track. The bottom line: it was a well-delivered speech, and a very, very smart speech. It will remind people of what they liked about Obama. It won't do miracles. But it will increase, perhaps substantially, the odds of meaningful health care reform passing.

Tom Schaller: This was classic Obama, both from a policy conceit and rhetorical framing. Anyone who read The Audacity of Hope knows how Obama works through issues—he sets up how one side conceives it and how the other side does and then, after admitting he is inclined toward progressive/Democratic side of the ledger, he humbly suggests the best solution is probably somewhere in between.

Obama did that again tonight with his juxtaposition of liberals’ desire for single-payer and conservatives’ desire for ending employer-based insurance and a fully privatized market. He was also clear about setting out the three overall goals of reform: lowering growth rate of total cost, adding stability to those who have insurance, and extending coverage to those without. And then he proceeded to argue for those goals and demonstrate a desire for split-the-difference pragmatism: On the one hand standing behind a public option but not laying down an absolute ultimatum; and on the other saying that, while tort reform is not a silver bullet, he’s willing to negotiate to help alleviate the costs associated with defensive medicine practices.