Jack & Jill Politics

what is hilarious is that Marvin' s people don't give a shit about his message.

they like the song and his music but they truly don't give one whit about Marvin Gaye.

one good thing about marvin's what is going on..is you can run to his beat...it makes me keep running..

NMP? Where's your brother? I need to pick him up on the way to D.C. I'm coming from out West. Where am I going?

LOL! He just called me talking some real crazy stuff. I don't want to say too much, but it involves hiring a crackhead, sneaking pass Capital Hill police and kidnapping. You would never know he was a terrific husband and PTA dad, but racists just send him and mother over the edge.

Read it.

Not so sure your peeps will agree

Please, if Obama wanted to "throw the PO under the Bus" he wouldn't have spent so much time defending the concept the debunking the attacks against it. You have to wonder to some of the people posting here even listened to the speech.

I am so glad Obama stated that the US is the ONLY western democracy NOT to have plan to cover all its citizens. ---- I mention that fact to conservatives and many just get a blank stare... then say so. Its Unbelievable.

Also, could you even imagine what would be said if a Dem Representative heckled Bush during a joint session. The would demand a resignation.

Joe Wilson should resign!

He went too damn far. If nothing is done about his behavior, what is next?

FOURTH HEALTHCARE OPEN THREAD IS UP

Polls are coming in: NNPolitics: CNN Poll on Obama plan: pre-speech 53% favor/36 oppose....post speech 67 favor/29 oppose

point 1- he will not sign anything that adds the deficit (not like that f'd up war...)

point 2- keep ur insurance

point 3- it will start in 4 years so we can get it right (not tomorrow like those lying mofos said)

point 4- and NO we will not kill old people.

The President spoke facts that most could not deny.

Obama, like I thought, threw the public option under the bus. He's a liar (or just a politician) He said the public option was essential to reducing cost when his supporters were giving money and free work to get him elected, now that he's elected it's not so important. OF course.

What's awful about the plan he laid out tonight is that everything must go through private insurance companies, and there will be a mandate to force people to buy their crappy insurance giving them more money. People who have no money or job will not be covered- that's the biggest problem. The insurers will not give the uninsured without being paid.

I will actively work against Obama in the future so that we can build a true progressive party with a true progressive leading it. I'm done with him. Enjoy the lofty speeches with pretty words that don't amount to much substance.

I'm curious..do you have health insurance coverage? does all of your family have what you consider equitable health insurance coverage, meaning if anyone in your family gets ill, no matter the disease, NO ONE WILL EVER GET DENIED THE BEST HEALTH CARE, NO MATTER WHAT????

You have got to be joking. Our President is not an activist screaming outside of the building. He has to say things differently. He will not sign anything that doesn't have a NON PROFIT option that will ensure competition between a government option and private insurance.

Use your synonyms...

The President doesn't own your vote and trust me, I will work harder than YOU to ensure his even hand will there to rule another day.

"He has to say things differently"

Uhhh I don't know what you mean this. I listened to the speech, read the plan he sent through email and it includes shoveling money to the insurance companies with a mandate and including them in this insurance exchange program.

The insurance companies will never participate in anything that is non profit-you can believe that.

As for the non profit option, I'm willing to bet anything it won't cover that many people. I have a job with private insurance (which I hate) but as far I see, I can't choose to leave them for a public option like I want under the plan he presented tonight.

When I said say things differently he can't draw the line in the sand and say do it or else. Well actually he can, but then he would be George W. Bush who was a conservative activist and nutjob. I didn't vote for the line in the sand guy. I voted for the guy who provide a liberal vision, speak with an informed perspective, and lead with a steady hand.

Remember there are NO LAWS requiring them to serve all citizens equally regardless of pre-existent conditions etc. When the Bill is passed, it will become LAW. Your company will act in the ways that are lawful, or they will be shut down. That is the world of regulation (though there are always loopholes... welcome to AmeriKKKA.)

I can't tell what it is you wanted, but all of the most important areas were discussed. You don't need to "trust" the President, you have to push Congress to realize his vision and NOW... And our work continues.

You keepa knockin, but you can't get in. Is that it?

Buh, bye, now!

You are making shit up in your head. Where did you hear that he threw the public option under the bus? What? The voices in your head?

Work until your heart is content and don't mind that door if it hits you in the ass on your way out!

Toodles!

You must have listened to the speech that came from Anonymous sources from the White House or the one in your head.

But that's okay, even though you don't like the President you are still going to get access to healthcare that will help with your hearing problem.

Did you listen to the plan he laid out? Mandates to buy private insurance? Getting the private Insurance to get rid of preexisting conditions? Insurance exchange programs? Everything is going to go through the private insurance companies.

I don't care about his pretty words about the public option, I'm concerned about him drawing up a bill that includes a public option. What he presented tonight was not a Public Option by any sense of the imagination. What he presented tonight shovels more money to the insurance companies. He's nothing but a corporate whore who does not have the courage to fight for what so many people voted and campaigned for him for.

The system he outlined is one where if you get your insurance through your employer, you get all those protections (out of pocket cap, pre-existing conditions, etc). If you don't have insurance or small business you can get insurance through an exchange that has private plans and the PO. Private plans also have the protections. Can't afford to pay, will get subsidies. What did I misunderstand?

What do you want the PO to do that he didn't say?

"What do you want the PO to do that he didn't say?"

I want him to fight for the plan he campaigned on, not this watered downed stuff that will further enrich the insurance companies.

People fought for him during the campaign, why can't he fight for us and the things we supported him for?

Which people do you mean, progressives?

Do you prefer him to fight and lose, and get nothing?

"Which people do you mean, progressives? "

He did build his campaign on the backs of progressives, many moderates went for hilary.

If Obama continued to fight, he could have won this fight- he's a great orator and campaigner. He could have toured the country pushing his plan while combating the conservative lunatics at the same time. But he just caved, just like with releasing the torture photos, repealing DADT, the bush tax cuts, voting for FISA, flipping on NAFTA, sweet heart deals with the pharmaceutical companies, the list goes on and on. I actually had some hope for the FULL public option. .


Why was the moronic Bush able to push through his agenda with no compromises and Obama can't push through anything without compromise?

Did you listen to the same speech I did? He genuflected in front the PO. He said individuals could buy affordable insurance in the exchange which includes the PO. He said they would get subsidies. Have you seen his plan on whitehouse.gov?

You are welcome to try building a true progressive party. Problem: can't win. Which states would they win to get to the 270?

"We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices. Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers. As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage."

Insurance companies is what he's talking about. What do you think "Bargain with insurance companies" means?

"individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance – just as most states require you to carry auto insurance"

This is a mandate, sort of what is going on in MA.

People need look through the showmanship of Obama and look at what he actually is saying.

It all goes through the private insurance companies.

He didn't throw the public option under the bus tonight, what speech were you listening to?

I was about to ask that same question.

teabag party tommorow at Jow Wilson's

I don't like the way those "supporters" who claim they were going to leave Obama with that ad are trying to get all nice and cozy with the President. They are hypocrties.

That's because they're afraid they might be one of the ones Obama calls out.

There are times when a person makes me go, wow. Obama made me go wow... you want humility... he said instead take this humble piece of pie and rub it over your face...

Called them out, wake me up please

Can I just say...Town FUCKING ROCKS!!!!!!

Hell Yeah!

Town mofo-ing rocks!

He said it again public option is necessary.
The onus remains for him to pass the bill w/ the public option in it.

I still want him to call out the Republicans by name on the shit they pulled. President Obama was kind to them as he named them by name on passing healthcare for children Grassley McCain. It has to be a two way street. The Republicans have never shied away from calling him by name, the President.

If that being kind, he killed them with kindness. That was a Welch to McCarthy moment, "Have you no shame?!"

We know the ones who were doing it. He let them know next time he might not be so nice.

oljhij

I can not get over that jackass saying you lie to the President. It has nothing to do with politics. Its called manners, its called respect, hell self respect. This is just a new low the right has fallen to. Heckling the President in front of millions to impress a handful of disturbed people that believe the President isn't even the President. I mean really, what the hell is happening to America.

Somebody needs to let Joe Wilson know that Congress isn't Def Comedy Jam, the President is not Chris Rock and Wilson needs not heckle anybody.

They can keep on if they want to, but best believe that the world is watching.

This mofo have no respect. This was disrespecting the President because he's black. I want this mofo ass for that! Whew Lawd!

that was an absolute disgrace. The blatant disrespect and lack of deference to this President is absolutely galling. That Representative should be barred from ever being in the presence of the President again in life.

His constituents should be appalled and kick his butt out. He should be censored and have to issue a a public apology.

He apparently doesn't have the good sense to even know what a disgrace he was tonight.

The sad truth is Wilson's outburst is indicative of just how much he and a few other of his elected bretheran feel about President Obama.

These folks hate that the fact that we have a black man in the highest office in the land, and they cannot stand to listen to him wield his power.

Tough shit, fuckers.

I honestly thought they had reached the bottom of their stupidity...I am sooooooo mistaken, apparently there are more layers up under the "birther" layer.

Olberman stated Joe Wilson need to apologize, resign & leave the country.


Got that right. People want his ass tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah Nah Nah...the mofo went to damn far!

I want his ass and I'm packing up the truck heading for D.C. as we speak.

Diet Coke? Check
Trail Mix? Check.
Numchucks? Check
Swizzlers? Check
Double barrel taser? Check
Teddy bear? Check?

Go get'em!

I'm on this mofo trail right now. I am trying to get on that mofo site soo bad! I can't fucking see straight, I want him so bad until I am almost ready to cry. He showed his natural ass tonight.

I tried to get on awhile ago and couldn't. It was probably jammed. But you know what? I have a fax machine and I have a cell phone and I will call his office and leave messages in all his offices and fax a few - SEVERAL - faxes, and I will TRY not to use either fuck, fuckery, fucking or any other form AND I will TRY not to say "you motherfucking , mofo."

*Channeling Jenelope in "Bring It On"...*

Come on, Wordsmith....Let me do this!

LMAO you - go on ahead.

Yep!! More people catching on to the fact that these folks need to phucking LEAVE the country...get the phuck out.

what does that sucker look like

Trose,

This mofo right here...This. mofo. right. here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du...

Damn he is one ugly looking sucker!!!!!!!!
throw the bum out today!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whiterednecksoutherner

Geez, the southern crackas are cracking up.

Okay this is my last post on that m*&^^%(&%$ *&^^%%$* (*&^$*&^ Wilson. Notice Pelosi's response.

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3386675&...

Edit: Goober Wilson is now Keith's Worst Person in the World EVAH!!

You can donate to Joe Wilson's opponent here: http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

Oh yeah! Joe has got to go!

We can't have this kind of disrespect to our President. Hell To The Naw!

Good suggestion, Muzikal!

wheres the haters talking about public option or nothing??????

Well, there's the CBC: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/congre...

they look like fools I was going to spare them some shame.........they are leaderless..........I will give them a pass on this

Didn't you see my reply the last time you asked that question?

I saw it.........haha
if you are the only one hating I guess Obama did an excellent job.

Plantsmantx hasn't explained what he or she is hating about; i.e., what specifically he or she hated about the President's speech.

Plantsmantx and Truthspeaker, those two I don't get. I understand reasoned criticism, even if I don't agree with it, especially from folks like PTCruiser who back up their criticism with something tangible; another view that often gives me pause and a well needed chance for reflection.

But snark and negativity without anything else confuses me.

Speak it Alexander2. Can you believe Plant was trying to say that I parrot MSM talking points. Anyone who has actually ever read my posts know that I don't mimic MSM talking points.

Whatever.

Well, if you saw it, why did you ask the question again?

Plant I am in a good mood tonight!!!!
I like the haters today!!!!!

You're in a good mood? Why, exactly?

Because he looked like a giant and made his critics look small and petty.

Hey, life is WAY too short to need a reason to be in an optimistic good mood.

got that right
I luv President Obama

I love him more! lol

I love him the mostest - now yu'll get OVER yerselves! Move on!

wheres the haters talking about public option or nothing??????

O ain't the silence deafening!!

Looks like President Obama...broke. it. down.

He plays poker well, don't he?!

Let them all show they hands...and then he raised the stakes!!

lol...just LOVE MY President!!!

If waiting for him to pass abill w/ the public option makes me a hater so be it. The bill isn't passed yet. The nus is on the pesident to pass the bill.

Email from President Obama

I just finished laying out my plan for health reform at a joint session of Congress. Now, I'm writing directly to you because what happens next is critical -- and I need your help.

Change this big will not happen because I ask for it. It can only come when the nation demands it. Congress knows where I stand. Now they need to hear from you.

Add your voice: Ask your representatives to support my plan for real health reform in 2009.

The heart of my plan is simple: bring stability and security to Americans who already have health insurance, guarantee affordable coverage for those who don't, and rein in the cost of health care.

Tonight, I offered a specific plan for how to make it happen. I incorporated the best ideas from Democrats and Republicans to create a plan that's bold, practical, and represents the broad consensus of the American people.

We've come closer to real health reform in the last few months than we have in the last 60 years. But those who profit from the status quo -- and those who put partisan advantage above all else -- will fight us every inch of the way.

We do not seek that fight, but we will not shrink from it. The stakes are too high to let scare tactics cloud the debate, or to allow partisan bickering to block the path. Your voice, right now, is essential.

See my full plan and call on your representatives to support it:

http://my.barackobama.com/SupportReform

Ours is not the first generation to understand the dire need for health reform. And I am not the first president to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama

No, thank you, Mr. President.

Mine is Jim Gerlach R. it will be fun calling his office.

My senator is Sherrod Brown. No fun for me. No one to call.

Ha Ha --Mine too! We can call Voinovich.

yes thats right....I forgot about that old bag!!!ok Voikovich will do!!!!!!

LOL! jelana and trose1, i was just going to write, y'all better find somebody to call.

President Obama's coming to Minneapolis Target Center Saturday. I'll be right there supporting him.

Now, let's see if the 'dummycrats' will now do what they need to do and STFU! We are the most pathetic party; we expected everything at no cost. Time to take this baton from the POTUS and get this shit done!

Here's the email address of that bitch, Joe Wilson. Y'all know what to do.

http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm

thanks this will be fun to write

McCain was just asked about Wilson on CNN. McCain said it was disrespectful and that Wilson should apologize immediately.

Lisa,

I am mad as a damn bear! I want this mofo ass!

me two

Justice and trose1, these folks are fearful, raving lunatics. Their reactions are have been pented up forever. it's bound to come out. President Obama's election has opened the pandora's box, if you will.

The rethugs are DYING, DEAD...... especially the crackas like Wilson.

Andrew Sullivan:

"On the live-stream I didn't catch what the heckler actually said. Was it "Liar!" or "You lie!" It was an ugly moment in the Congress and I don't remember anyone heckling a president's speech before. But it is, in fact, the GOP's current position. Their position is to demonize this man. Karl Rove's op-ed on the speech went up on the WSJ website before the speech was even over, declaring it a failure and nothing new.

But there was something clarifying about a Southern good ol' boy yelling "Liar" at the president over illegal immigration. That's what the GOP now is: the worst aspects of the old Democratic party combined with a nihilism that is only eclipsed by its catastrophic governance for the past eight years. Defeating these morons and actually creating a discourse for reform is what we elected Obama to do.

But they still insist on doing it to themselves, don't they? That's the silver lining. "

Was the full text of the speech released in advance? I ask because it sounded and felt like he was speaking from the heart when talking about Teddy. I prayed before the speech that God put an angel in his shoulder tonight. I know it sounds corny, but I think for at least those last few moments Teddy was standing up there with him. Something seemed to take over him that helped him step into the moment of greatness.

Yes, I think so too, NMP1. Vicki sure felt it too.

POTUS bought it tonite. The republicans showed their true colors tonight. Orin Hatch was on all over the tv during Teddy Kennedy's death crying crocodile tears, let's see what he has to say this week.

He put his foot all up in it.

All.in.it.!

There.

Looking at Vickie while he was talking about Teddy was something strong

I noticed that too. That really moved me.

A quick two cents:

PBO's a great speaker. That said, the "we will call you out" bit was almost laughable, because that's not who he is. Aggression's not his thing.

Rep. Wilson isn't the hero he'll be made out to be...but he's not the villian he'll be made out to be either. I'm certain he broke a House rule with that outburst, and it's for them to deal with (which will not, however, stop the ensuing e-riot from starting early tomorrow).

Tort reform....good. If it happens. We'll see.

Public option's still a non-starter. Too many bureaucracy/constitutional questions still remain for me to get behind that.

And the next speech, I'm giving the GOP response. Dude tonight sucked.

republicans say they want tort reform which is good, but it seems the only reason they mention tort reform is to just go against the president. If Obama mentioned tort reform I still believe that many memebers of the GOP would find something else to be against. I can only come to the conclusion that they dont really want tort reform they just want to maintain the status quo.

Both sides need to put up or shut up on that one.

I'm optimistic, but very cautiously so.

"Tort reform....good. If it happens. We'll see."

(ahem).

"We will call you out" READ: we made the ads over the summer... your business will put on in front street and set to the music of Will.I.AM, REM, and the Three Tenors.

D,
I hate to tell you this, but the gop sucks period. I honestly don't understand how you can affiliate with unmitigated hatred and bigotry. I don't understand why you vote against your self interest. The gop doesn't like you. They use you and your race to express the views they have but can't say in public.

D, take your constitutional questions and stuff them up your ass.

Now, how's that lil princess of yours?

She's sleeping...and just as confused as I am. LOL.

Keep your two cents because the party you champion has no respect, has no morals and has no ideals.I like you D and from our exchanges came to respect you.But bring that rethug bullshit anywhere I for one will strike that shit down with a vegegence,

Hey Mr. Cosby,

I was trying to download some mixes at djmix.net--the djchefron at mixnet failed.

Hook a brotha up, webb@getrichcrew.com

D. riddle me this, how many congress people have ever hollered out and called any President of these United States a lie????

It was disrespectful. It verges on being racist because NO ONE has done that before. YOU NEED TO CALL IT TO HIS ATTENTION. Let him know that AAs honestly believe he played the race card because HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THAT TO ANY OTHER PRESIDENT. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.

Clearly, he was out of order (though a quick search of the House/Senate rules of order doesn't have anything covering acting a fool).

I do hope that his Republican constituents let him know that he does us ALL a disservice to act with such blatant disregard for our POTUS while addressing Congress. What a lack of professional decorum.

He should be publically shunned, by all in Congress...goood ol public scorn, for that Southerner.

What a lack of professional decorum.

And there lies my problem with it.

People will make it into whatever they need it to be...but at its most basic, it was unprofessional as hell.

Call him up right now and tell him that he is now on "drive by" status with the AA community.

LOL. Don't have his number...

...but oddly enough, I met him at an event in '07. He gave us all the standard congressional keychains.

here you go, D:

Fax: 202-225-2455

Phone and U.S. Mail:
The Midlands' Office
1700 Sunset Blvd (US 378), Suite 1
West Columbia , SC 29169
Phone: (803) 939-0041
Phone: (888) 381-1442 (*only accessible when calling from area codes 803, 843, and 864)
Fax: (803) 939-0078
Hours: 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

The Lowcountry Office
903 Port Republic Street, Beaufort, SC 29902
Mail to: Post Office Box 1538, Beaufort, SC 29901
Phone: (843) 521-2530
Fax: (843) 521-2535
Hours: 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

The Washington Office
212 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2452
Fax: (202) 225-2455
Hours: 8:30 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

that's funny

LOL!

Clearly he was out of order? If a democrat had yelled out and called Bush a Liar on national and international tv they would have been shipped off to Gitmo and waterboarded so fast it would make your head swim.

He'd have, at a minimum, been escorted out.

Which I thought was going to happen.

You might not think the President is agressive...but he is appropriately aggressive, he counterpounches...just as he did tognight...and that JoeWilson fella..from SC...is going to learn that..he in REAL trouble. Obama does not like being upstaged nor publically disrespected.

I know that there is going to be a scandal about this man uncovered in the next week.

Yep, and he's probably involved in some seamy, shady dealings involving hiking along the appalachian trails...

Van Jones' revenge?

Telling you now, that's how it's gonna get played...

D,

The President meant what he said.... and said what he meant.
He's tired of the lying mofos!

he called them out right to their faces. Called them straight up liars about the death panel nonsense. So I doubt he'll hesitate to call them out after doing all of that tonight.

lol at ur last sentence...Reps shd just stop with their response...I tot I was watching 30 rock

"You Lie!"
The member of Congress who yelled that the president was a liar during the speech was Rep. Joe Wilson (R) of South Carolina. Here's his official website.

(http://joewilson.house.gov/) *

I can't think of anything like it in recent history.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

*I put Rep. Wilson's website address there.

I'm still trippin' off of that rebuttal coming from the Strom
Thurmond room. It's like the Republians called PBO a "nigger" on the sneak tip!

U know the funny thing, these folks haven't figured it out that PBO knows them in and out. He know their thoughts and ways. PBO has lived in both worlds: black and white. He got them straight down but they still can't catch up

Irony: Strom Thurmond has a black daughter ... he tried to hide.. GASP!

GTFOH Republicans!

I KNOW!!! I was like sTrum THURmond room...GMAFB!!!

DAMMIT COLE!!! LMAO

(and you prolly right - the rat bastards!)

Do you remember Jindal's response

Walking in like Mister Rogers

I don't think I heard anything the man said, I was cracking up so hard

I caught the end of it (like I said Jesus did not give me the strength to watch it) and the lighting was horrible. I hate to sound so shallow but I could not help noticing it. The overhead lighing made it look like an interrogation room.

I need to find Nancy P.'s rebuttals from the Bush admin.

You're killing me, Sepia!

But that's their ass...The President put their ass on notice!

Michelle did too! LMAO!

What the fuck? from the Strom Trumondroom... Geez, the insanity never ends.

Yes, chile! All looking like Alice the Goon...

I don't care whatchall say, Michelle gave the speech tonight. Now I don't know how many non-blacks picked up on it. BUT, we as a people know our code. With one look around that room, we knew she was not feeling what's been going down. With one look around the room, we truly know that the POTUS/FLOTUS are pissed off and tired of this sh$t. Now, you can discuss all you want, what Obama's word said, BUT

MICHELLE HAS SPOKEN!

Go to Hell

Interesting. I didn't pick up on it, couldn't read it. Obviously, I'm not Black. Glad you pointed it out.

Oh yeah.....Michelle's eyes gave a speech. it wasn't nearly as cordial as her husband's though.

Mrs. First Lady was side eyeing fools left and right and thought-bubbling "Mmm hmm bitches we got something for your azzes tonight."

i TOTALLY saw that...

Michelle knows these mickey ficks are disrespecting her man, her family, black folks, and the office of the POTUS, and she aint having it.

NO, NO, NO! Better ask somebody!

She was like, I can pack my sh&t up 2morrow and move back to Chicago, not have to live in isolation, get off any plane I want in shorts. Make millions of dollars the rest of my life making speeches, writing our memoirs, raise my children in peace and not have to put up with y'alls foolishness playing with people's lives. Y'all our all puppet fools, pimped by the insurance companies and special interest groups at the American peoples expense. Take this camelot sh*t and shove it up yo azz.

That's what she said with the way she looked at them tonight. Now.

Yep...that's what she said alright!

BWA HA HA HA HA HA

When Michelle came out, she was looking like "yeah, my man's gonna kick y'all bitch asses tonight!" LOL!!

I didn't see it, but I am steeling myself for the "Gee, why isn't the First Lady smiling" articles :-(

Bring on those articles. We'll take'em down, peg by peg.

We got 3 1/2 years, add another 4 years... We aint gonna tolerate this fucking bullshit from these crackas.

I think you right, myth. she had to represent lots of us women out here!

even tho its not single payer (smile), that was a really wonderful speech and he really took it home. i am so grateful that he spoke about health care as a moral issue. . . you know he just had my whole heart full for just saying that with grace and force and certainty.

if some of those republicans don't turn, i will believe they have no hearts or souls. i will believe that they love money more than the people they serve.

David Gergen just said PBO adopted the Baucus plan. Gergen clearly took a hit of something or watched a different speech. AFAIK,the Baucus plan didn't have nothing about a public option.

Fuck Gergen and CNN. Fuck Bacus too, cause, his lame ass got called out too.

Fuck Gergan and all the incestous press corps.It is our time and we must seize the moment.

listening to the callers on CSPAN now

The yeller ("You lie!") according to CSPAN (Tweets sent to CSPAN) was Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC).

I have an update on the asshole contact info
Fax: 202-225-2455

Phone and U.S. Mail:
The Midlands' Office
1700 Sunset Blvd (US 378), Suite 1
West Columbia , SC 29169
Phone: (803) 939-0041
Phone: (888) 381-1442 (*only accessible when calling from area codes 803, 843, and 864)
Fax: (803) 939-0078
Hours: 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

The Lowcountry Office
903 Port Republic Street, Beaufort, SC 29902
Mail to: Post Office Box 1538, Beaufort, SC 29901
Phone: (843) 521-2530
Fax: (843) 521-2535
Hours: 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

The Washington Office
212 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2452
Fax: (202) 225-2455
Hours: 8:30 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

"the Lowcountry office"
that says it all!

I'm trying to get on his site, but I can't. Looks like the site has crashed.

Oh I am sure the site has crashed, Itgurl. They want his ass for that stunt he pulled.

I Can't reach my mother. She doesn't live that from the Capital. I'm afraid she went up there to fuck that bastard up!

LMBAO!

Y'all think I'm playing. My mother is crazy! She's barely five feet, 90 pounds soaking wet, red hair and green eyes. We call her Chucky because looks like that when she gets really mad. And nothing has been setting her off more lately than these racist ass nuts attacking the President. I lie to you not, when I was about 9 I watched her fight a white couple, kicked their asses because the man called my brother a little shit for accidentally hitting him with our cart. I just hope she turned off the phone and is watching Shaft (the remake with Sam Jackson). She does that when racists make her mad.

LMAO!

Oh my gosh!

That was pure comedy!

LOL! I wonder what the bloggers are saying over at Daily Kos.... hummm

He needs to be beat repeatedly all about the head and neck for that shit.

Oh please, let me!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean he need a mud-hole stomped in his ass for disrespecting the President of the United States!

Racist ass bigot!

Um, so the Rebublican response is being delivered by a doctor? So of course they must be right. Afterall, a doctor gives them credibility. GTFOH.

I'm mad that one of the networks had "heart surgeon" vs "Representative Idiot" under the scroll for a few minutes.





So this must mean the

Yeah, a doctor who's been sued 3x and fell for a scam to become a British Lord.

I hope he doesn't respond to that Nigerian prince email.... on second thought, be my guest :)

They had to put him up there to try and rebut how bad a job Bobby Jindal did last time, standing in as the Rethug rep, looking like Mr. Rodgers in that sweater at the fireside chat.

The rebuttal guy was sued for malpractice and a birther. Wow, Republicans are riding the Fail Buss hard!

I'm sorry, but I am tuning Rep. Boustany (R) the fuck OUT.
Lifetime Movie Channel, here I come!

LOL. I watched the speech on C-SPAN and turned to the Food Network to watch Bobby Flay's Throwdown after the speech.

FUCK the pundits!!

I love "Chopped"...have you been watching it on the Food Network?

Tonight's LMN theme is Lawyers!

Someone watch the Repub. response and report back. Jesus didn't give me the strength today to watch that.

Refuse to listen to someone who doesn't believe the president is an American citizen.

That's fucked up on so many levels...

Just more lies, and the standard "we have to start over" BS.

Ah, the "start over" BS line.

Does EVERY politician from Louisiana talk like they are talking to 5 year olds?

man the LA pols aren't rep-in my home state very well. But that's how they all sound outside N'walins. They need some N'walins flavor

Saxby Chambliss:

The President doesn't sound like he's speaking with "humility" to me.

So what are you going to do, buttmunch?

Saxby Chambliss:

The President doesn't sound like he's speaking with "humility" to me.

So what are you going to do, buttmunch?


Saxby Chambliss telling Obama that he has to show humility, huh? Yeah, that truly is something to be pissed over. Although, if one has scolded people for suggesting that Obama should be more aggressive, they've essentially said the same thing Chambliss did, which means that it's kind of hypocritical for those people to be getting pissed off at Chambliss.

No it is not the same thing. If you feeled called out fine, but you know as well as I do, that Chambliss was not saying Obama was being too aggressive, he was trying to tell Obama not to get uppity.

It's a real sad day when you use some borderline racist, bigoted quote from Chabliss to try to scold people who you feel have aggrieved you.

It's exactly the same thing. You all were saying the he couldn't give the impression of being the "angry black man", which means you think he had (has) to put on a show of humility, beyond the humility he already possesses.

Yes, it was a borderline racist, bigoted quote from Chambliss. That's why I'm glad I can say so without being hypocritical. It's sad that some of you can't.

By you, I hope you mean the figurative you. I have not said anything about Obama being the "angry black man". In fact, if you look over my post here on JJP, I have not engaged in the healthcare fight online (I use my time more in the non-online word). So please don't put words in my mouth.

If you feel so wronged and you're happy using Chambliss as a defensive tool, then talk to a therapist not me.

"Defensive"? Remember, I brought up the fact that some of you were basically saying the same thing as Chambliss. That wasn't defensive. What was defensive was your fake-ass "Oh, it's a sad day when...".

It's true, though- if you're going to shush folks when they suggest that Obama doesn't have to be quite so circumspect in his behavior all the time, don't complain when people like Chambliss make the same argument you do. But, those ironies will pop up when the imperative is the protection of the embodiment of all your hopes and dreams, won't they? You have to do what you feel you have to do, I guess.

And yes, I'm going to point it out again- tonight he was apparently not quite so circumspect in his behavior, in your minds, and you...cheered:).

Boy you sure nuff told us didn't you.

Whatevs. It is what it is.

Tell it!

Yep!

Amen!

Sounded like he said "fuck you" to me. . . LOL

I heard a 'look-a-here" moment a FEW times tonight! LOL! The Prez did a "I aint got time for NO MORE BULLSHIT" after he was done on the healthcare front. After he got done on that, he went to the "now let me tell you about yourselves". LOVE IT.

The President put it down! He AIN'T scared of them mofos!

That Chi-town came out of'em! LOL...he was channeling Bernie Mac!

LOL! Listen up 'AMurica! Dang, ole Bernie didn't live to see the day..

He held up a big muthafucking mirror and said, Look, check yourselves, do you like what you see? Only millions of Americans got to see them put on full blast by the POTUS!

I guess he was looking to have his shoes shined and his bed made?


LOL These people are... precious

These people are... precious

ROFLMAO

OBAMA;

THANK YOU. Thank you.

Please, sit your ass down. Please.

Last time we met, we were in big time trouble. I mean we were really straight broke. We aren't out of the woods but I won't rest until everyone who wants to work has work. But because of what Id, I can stand here today and say we pulled this economy out of the gutter.

<<clapping>>

I want to thank this body and the American public for their patience. But we didn't come here to clean up the Republicans' messes. We look to the future. I ain't start this shyt but I will damn well end it!

It's been like 100 years since Roosevelt tried for health care, and why it seems like Republicans been blocking it for 100 years? That old dude over there has been introducing health care legislation since before I was born.

<<clapping>>

Ok look let's break it down. Most people are two accidents away from bankruptcy because of medical care. These are not welfare queens and illegals we're talking about. I'm talking about YOUR ass. Whycome we are the ONLY supposedly enlightened nation going through this? 1 out of 3 Americans go without insurance and the ones who do are increasingly insecure because of high coverage, dropped coverage and this crap happens every day.

We spend more money per person on healthcare than any other country but we ain't shyt for it. Prices are rising, this forces companies to offer crappy healthcare if they offer it at all. Those of us with insurance end up paying for somebody else who isn't insured every day. If we don't do something about this crap, we'll be spending all our money on Medicare and Medicaid. Basically we need to stop.

These are the facts. Don't even try to dispute it. We know we need reform but how? The liberals want us to be like Canada. The deathers want everyone to pay for their own coverage. Yeah ya'll might have some good ideas. Look, healthcare is 1/6th of our economy. Let's fix what's broken and leave what's good.

That's what Congress is SUPPOSED to be doing. You have some people trying to get the job done. We're pulling it together and people are jumping on board. That's great. We're closer than we've ever been.

We've also seen crazy ass deathers talking about death panels and scaring people about gramma. They'd rather play politics instead of working. Well that time is over. Get up off your ass and get this shit done!

My plan will provide security for those who have insurance, provide it for those who don't, and stem costs for everyone involved. Everybody needs to get on board including people who were against me in the primaries. I'm looking at you, PUMA.

First nothing in the plan requires you to change what you have. In this plan it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you coverage b/c of pre-existing conditions.

Once I get this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you service.

No more treatment caps on coverage.

You need limits on how much to pay because why should you have to declare bankruptcy because you get sick?

Insurance companies will be required to coverage preventative care. I mean, really.

That's for those of you who have coverage. If you're one of the millions of Americans without coverage, listen up:

If you lose or change your job, you'll get coverage.

If you start your own busienss, you'll get coverage.

We're creating a new plan where you can shop for insurance with competitve prices. It's how Congress gets insurance, now we're gonna offer that to you.

For small businesses and people who can't afford insurance, we'll provide tax credits. It will take effect in 4 years so we can get this shit right. It was a good idea when John McCain proposed it, I dare his old ass to come out against it now!

<<clapping>>

Ok now lets say you're a young punk who doesn't want to get insurance. Or a company who's not trying to provide insurance. So we're the ones covering them when they get sick. So you'll be required to carry basic health insurance like states require you to have auto insurance. 95% of small businesses would be exempt. Large businesses, don't even try to game the system b/c we're watching your ass.

While we have a lot of details to iron out, I think we can come together. So let me repeat:

Keep the insurance you got. Provide insurance for those who don't.

B/c of the smear campaigns waged by the government, let me break this shit down:

Some assholes are trying to shut this shit down like Limbaugh and Glen Beck with their death panel lies. They are sick ass puppies with their own agendas. They's a DAMN LIE!

((Republicans sit and scowl))

Then there are the liars who claim this plan covers illegals. It does not. And we are not funding abortions, either.

((Republicans boo. One Republican bucks at the President. Obama looks at him like "I WISH you would try something." Pelosi and Biden look ready to open up a can of whoop ass))

Let me break it down again: Consumers do better when there is choice and competition. Unfortunately in 34 states, 75% of the insurance is covered by 5 companies. Without competition insurance companies can go buck wild. We're breaking that shit up. I'm not trying to put people out of business, just trying to hold them accountable.

This public option is ONLY an option for those without insurance. Nobody's going to be forced to have it. The insurance companies don't feel like they should have to compete with the government. It won't. We're just going to break your stranglehold on America by opening up the insurance market to smaller companies.

((Republicans sit and scowl. Miss Lindsay Graham looks like he wants to clap but thinks better. Group of Republicans look at their watch and frown))

White liberals, I didn't even say anything about ending the public option so sit your ass down. Republicans, stop lying on me and frowning in the corner and get your ass to work. Don't act like I'm a doormat because you're 'bout to find out.

Finally, let me discuss something of great concern. Listen up. First, I ain't signing a plan that adds one dime to the deficit. Period. The reason why we're broke is we ran up the money during the Bush years like a college student with their first charge card. Second, we need to cut the spending and abuse. Let me kick it to old people for a minute. Because people been lying. Medicare is for you. We are not going to spend your Medicare money for this plan. Don't listen to these lies about killing gramma from the Republicans since they wanted to cut health care for you in the first place.

Finally, Republicans claim changing malpractice laws will bring down costs.

((Republicans get up and cheer)).

Ah, you like that. Sit your ass down. Bush did come up with one good idea, and I told Sebelius' ass to start workign on that right away. This reform will cost less than Iraq and Afghanistan and all those tax cuts for the rich. If we slow this train down right now, we'll save money over the long run. If you come to me with serious ideas, I will listen. But know this: I will not waste time with Republican or Democrat Obstructionist Clowns. I ain't got time for all of that. If you lie on me, I will call your ass out. So don't even try it. We know we have a big mess, so we need to tighten up because this is serious. Ted Kennedy felt strongly about this. Chuck Grassley, John McCain and Orrin Hatch, y'all were friends with him, you know how scared he was when his kids had cancer. He could afford the treatment. What about poorer people who have ill family but can't afford it? I mean, what the hell? We just leave them out to dry? Government isn't trying to take over but trying to make you do right. All these lies and protests and uncaring is not even a good look. We didn't come to DC just to sit on our fat asses, we came here to do work, so git 'er done! I believe we can act like adults when we want to. So let's do this shit and do it now!!!

OK, that was a great break down. Luckily I don't listen to political bobble heads twist the President's words yet again. I can just look here and be done with it.

I am fanning myself like a lady in church!

I'm bowing!

Yeah, that's 'bout what I heard.

I can't front. Love me some PBO, but I was really looking forward to Town' Translation! Love it!

Town, you're killing me. LMAO.

Well, that about sums it up.

Town

BREAK.IT.ON.DOWN!

Bravo!

TOWN, you wear the CROWN, for BREAKING IT all the way DOWN!

Town, as expected, your analysis laid it out their. Ima steal it and email it all my friends.

Girl, McCain was introducing healthcare before Obama was born, you sho right.

"liberals, I didn't even say anything about ending the public option so sit your ass down. Republicans, stop lying on me and frowning in the corner and get your ass to work. Don't act like I'm a doormat because you're 'bout to find out."

"If you come to me with serious ideas, I will listen. But know this: I will not waste time with Republican or Democrat Obstructionist Clowns. I ain't got time for all of that. If you lie on me, I will call your ass out. "

brilliant

Hey Val, glad to see ya!

You are too much. ROFL

oh town you are always soo good (and so bad. smile). you made me laugh out loud.

i luv town

ooooh, time for the response, this should be good.

Awwww sookie sookie now!!

I'm glad I tuned in! Let's see what happens next...

lmao@ what my friend just wrote on my facebook status "p diddy just tweeted that there is an outbreak of bitchassness in congress lol"

I can't stop laughing!

BWA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO. I have to agree w/ Diddy on that.

DAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMN! LOL