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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340669</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single payer?  So you&#039;ve completely abandoned reality?</description>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340674</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve made it clear who you stand with.  Nuff said.</description>
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		<title>By: Constructive_Feedback</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340670</link>
		<dc:creator>Constructive_Feedback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single Payer = Multiple Tax Payer Paid Health Care&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rikyrah - Why, after the machine that you favor has taken over so many local economies with the promises of quality education, safe streets and economic prosperity are you now needed to nationalize your need for health care?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ironically this need for health care was a fundamental requirement all the while there was a run for power.   The thing that frustrates me about people who think like you is that you fail to make note of the two key components to health care services:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) The Financing Of Such Services&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) The Skilled Practitioners to Execute These Services&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fundamentally with your Multiple Tax Payer Paid Heatlh Care you are ONLY concerned about &quot;BEING IN RECEIPT OF THE HEALTH CARE BENEFIT&quot;.   You don&#039;t ask a damned thing from the people who you seek to cover.  Will there be an abundance of new African-American Doctors to go into our communities and provide such services?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Worse yet despite the take over that you cheered these areas are less able to fund these needed services than ever before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You say its the INSURANCE COMPANIES?   I struggle to understand how the $14 billion in profits that the evil health insurance companeis have made per year is so problematic yet you will to have your NEW INSURANCE COMPANY - the Federal government despite the fact that it has a $1,800 billion DEFICIT for one year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If PROFITS are evil ..........what do you think about massive deficits that dwarf these profits?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You say you want &quot;Single Payer Health Care&quot; - akin to Medicare.&lt;br&gt;In addition to the debt - Medicare will be broke in 2020 and Social Security insolvent in 2035.  I struggle to understand what vision you are using about the future and how you feel that some signature on a bill for SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE will be any more valuable than the GM labor contract signed before their bankruptcy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single Payer = Multiple Tax Payer Paid Health Care</p>
<p>Rikyrah &#8211; Why, after the machine that you favor has taken over so many local economies with the promises of quality education, safe streets and economic prosperity are you now needed to nationalize your need for health care?</p>
<p>Ironically this need for health care was a fundamental requirement all the while there was a run for power.   The thing that frustrates me about people who think like you is that you fail to make note of the two key components to health care services:</p>
<p>1) The Financing Of Such Services</p>
<p>2) The Skilled Practitioners to Execute These Services</p>
<p>Fundamentally with your Multiple Tax Payer Paid Heatlh Care you are ONLY concerned about &#8220;BEING IN RECEIPT OF THE HEALTH CARE BENEFIT&#8221;.   You don&#39;t ask a damned thing from the people who you seek to cover.  Will there be an abundance of new African-American Doctors to go into our communities and provide such services?</p>
<p>Worse yet despite the take over that you cheered these areas are less able to fund these needed services than ever before.</p>
<p>You say its the INSURANCE COMPANIES?   I struggle to understand how the $14 billion in profits that the evil health insurance companeis have made per year is so problematic yet you will to have your NEW INSURANCE COMPANY &#8211; the Federal government despite the fact that it has a $1,800 billion DEFICIT for one year.</p>
<p>If PROFITS are evil &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.what do you think about massive deficits that dwarf these profits?</p>
<p>You say you want &#8220;Single Payer Health Care&#8221; &#8211; akin to Medicare.<br />In addition to the debt &#8211; Medicare will be broke in 2020 and Social Security insolvent in 2035.  I struggle to understand what vision you are using about the future and how you feel that some signature on a bill for SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE will be any more valuable than the GM labor contract signed before their bankruptcy?</p>
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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...not displaying any real conviction is alright, because in order for &quot;they&quot; not to win, it&#039;s necessary for us to fully support Obama...even when it&#039;s not clear what he actually supports?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look, I said a long time ago that even though Obama, if he was actually elected, would be the most prominent &quot;black face in a high place&quot; in history, he still would essentially be one more &quot;black face in a high place&quot; If all the ones that came before haven&#039;t achieved what those &quot;firsts&quot; are supposed to achieve in terms of acceptance by now, then this &quot;first&quot; won&#039;t either. Of course, I can&#039;t say the fact that he&#039;s black doesn&#039;t mean anything to me at all, but first and foremost, I voted to have a Democratic President, with a Democratic administration. When it comes down to it, I regard him as a Democratic President, and I&#039;m going to treat him as such, which includes criticism when it seems appropriate. Why wouldn&#039;t I?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;So they win, and we get nothing.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to me that this goes beyond the healthcare debate. When you say &quot;they&quot; will win something, and we will get nothing, what are you talking about, exactly?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of you are acting as if this is 1950, and some prominent black person just HAS to be supported in absolutely everything they do or don&#039;t do, no matter how one may feel about it, and anything he/she does just HAS to be construed as right and successful, or else we won&#039;t prove that we&#039;re a capable people. It&#039;s 2009. We&#039;ve proven it and then some. And then some more. Those who don&#039;t believe never will. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Through all the bluster, there&#039;s something almost quaint...sepia-toned...about this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;not displaying any real conviction is alright, because in order for &#8220;they&#8221; not to win, it&#39;s necessary for us to fully support Obama&#8230;even when it&#39;s not clear what he actually supports?</p>
<p>Look, I said a long time ago that even though Obama, if he was actually elected, would be the most prominent &#8220;black face in a high place&#8221; in history, he still would essentially be one more &#8220;black face in a high place&#8221; If all the ones that came before haven&#39;t achieved what those &#8220;firsts&#8221; are supposed to achieve in terms of acceptance by now, then this &#8220;first&#8221; won&#39;t either. Of course, I can&#39;t say the fact that he&#39;s black doesn&#39;t mean anything to me at all, but first and foremost, I voted to have a Democratic President, with a Democratic administration. When it comes down to it, I regard him as a Democratic President, and I&#39;m going to treat him as such, which includes criticism when it seems appropriate. Why wouldn&#39;t I?</p>
<p>&#8220;So they win, and we get nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that this goes beyond the healthcare debate. When you say &#8220;they&#8221; will win something, and we will get nothing, what are you talking about, exactly?</p>
<p>Some of you are acting as if this is 1950, and some prominent black person just HAS to be supported in absolutely everything they do or don&#39;t do, no matter how one may feel about it, and anything he/she does just HAS to be construed as right and successful, or else we won&#39;t prove that we&#39;re a capable people. It&#39;s 2009. We&#39;ve proven it and then some. And then some more. Those who don&#39;t believe never will. </p>
<p>Through all the bluster, there&#39;s something almost quaint&#8230;sepia-toned&#8230;about this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340675</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you and me and a handful of JJP posters could design the campaign that THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i know that their mambypamby mealymouthed bullshytting was DELIBERATE. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;they sold us out, and wanted to hide behind bi-partisan bullshyt, but the GOP isn&#039;t providing the cover for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you and me and a handful of JJP posters could design the campaign that THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE..</p>
<p>i know that their mambypamby mealymouthed bullshytting was DELIBERATE. </p>
<p>they sold us out, and wanted to hide behind bi-partisan bullshyt, but the GOP isn&#39;t providing the cover for it.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340673</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just don&#039;t believe i&#039;ll get the 3/4 that you&#039;re talking about. everything you said i might get in previous conversations will be stripped out by the gop in the senate if they give into this. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;he&#039;ll be standing there, signing some bullshyt bill that a republican could have put together...we&#039;re ready to throw away the public option for fucking olympia snowe and her concerns..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;G-T-F-O-H&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and, NMP, stop acting like this is in a vacuum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;they&#039;ve given the finger to the progressives time and time again...did he really think they were going to roll over on healthcare...um, nope. it&#039;s been building and building and this is it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;he hasn&#039;t fought for this, and YOU KNOW IT, NMP.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;YOU KNOW IT. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that mealymouthed bullshyt that they&#039;ve been doing isn&#039;t fighting for it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and, i&#039;m sorry...i just can&#039;t believe it wasn&#039;t deliberate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just don&#39;t believe i&#39;ll get the 3/4 that you&#39;re talking about. everything you said i might get in previous conversations will be stripped out by the gop in the senate if they give into this. </p>
<p>he&#39;ll be standing there, signing some bullshyt bill that a republican could have put together&#8230;we&#39;re ready to throw away the public option for fucking olympia snowe and her concerns..</p>
<p>G-T-F-O-H</p>
<p>and, NMP, stop acting like this is in a vacuum.</p>
<p>they&#39;ve given the finger to the progressives time and time again&#8230;did he really think they were going to roll over on healthcare&#8230;um, nope. it&#39;s been building and building and this is it. </p>
<p>he hasn&#39;t fought for this, and YOU KNOW IT, NMP.</p>
<p>YOU KNOW IT. </p>
<p>that mealymouthed bullshyt that they&#39;ve been doing isn&#39;t fighting for it. </p>
<p>and, i&#39;m sorry&#8230;i just can&#39;t believe it wasn&#39;t deliberate.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340668</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s the beginning step to single payer, NMP. it&#039;s the way to get the foot in the door.</description>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-340667</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rikyrah,  what is so vital about the public option that makes all  &lt;br&gt;other components irrelevant in your mind?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The public option has nothing to do with insuring the 40mm uninsured.   &lt;br&gt;It has nothing to do with preventing people from being dropped or  &lt;br&gt;denied coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rikyrah,  what is so vital about the public option that makes all  <br />other components irrelevant in your mind?</p>
<p>The public option has nothing to do with insuring the 40mm uninsured.   <br />It has nothing to do with preventing people from being dropped or  <br />denied coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they win, and we get nothing.</description>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single payer?  So you&#039;ve completely abandoned reality?</description>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-276676</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve made it clear who you stand with.  Nuff said.</description>
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		<title>By: Constructive_Feedback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constructive_Feedback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single Payer = Multiple Tax Payer Paid Health Care&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rikyrah - Why, after the machine that you favor has taken over so many local economies with the promises of quality education, safe streets and economic prosperity are you now needed to nationalize your need for health care?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ironically this need for health care was a fundamental requirement all the while there was a run for power.   The thing that frustrates me about people who think like you is that you fail to make note of the two key components to health care services:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) The Financing Of Such Services&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) The Skilled Practitioners to Execute These Services&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fundamentally with your Multiple Tax Payer Paid Heatlh Care you are ONLY concerned about &quot;BEING IN RECEIPT OF THE HEALTH CARE BENEFIT&quot;.   You don&#039;t ask a damned thing from the people who you seek to cover.  Will there be an abundance of new African-American Doctors to go into our communities and provide such services?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Worse yet despite the take over that you cheered these areas are less able to fund these needed services than ever before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You say its the INSURANCE COMPANIES?   I struggle to understand how the $14 billion in profits that the evil health insurance companeis have made per year is so problematic yet you will to have your NEW INSURANCE COMPANY - the Federal government despite the fact that it has a $1,800 billion DEFICIT for one year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If PROFITS are evil ..........what do you think about massive deficits that dwarf these profits?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You say you want &quot;Single Payer Health Care&quot; - akin to Medicare.&lt;br&gt;In addition to the debt - Medicare will be broke in 2020 and Social Security insolvent in 2035.  I struggle to understand what vision you are using about the future and how you feel that some signature on a bill for SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE will be any more valuable than the GM labor contract signed before their bankruptcy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single Payer = Multiple Tax Payer Paid Health Care</p>
<p>Rikyrah &#8211; Why, after the machine that you favor has taken over so many local economies with the promises of quality education, safe streets and economic prosperity are you now needed to nationalize your need for health care?</p>
<p>Ironically this need for health care was a fundamental requirement all the while there was a run for power.   The thing that frustrates me about people who think like you is that you fail to make note of the two key components to health care services:</p>
<p>1) The Financing Of Such Services</p>
<p>2) The Skilled Practitioners to Execute These Services</p>
<p>Fundamentally with your Multiple Tax Payer Paid Heatlh Care you are ONLY concerned about &#8220;BEING IN RECEIPT OF THE HEALTH CARE BENEFIT&#8221;.   You don&#39;t ask a damned thing from the people who you seek to cover.  Will there be an abundance of new African-American Doctors to go into our communities and provide such services?</p>
<p>Worse yet despite the take over that you cheered these areas are less able to fund these needed services than ever before.</p>
<p>You say its the INSURANCE COMPANIES?   I struggle to understand how the $14 billion in profits that the evil health insurance companeis have made per year is so problematic yet you will to have your NEW INSURANCE COMPANY &#8211; the Federal government despite the fact that it has a $1,800 billion DEFICIT for one year.</p>
<p>If PROFITS are evil &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.what do you think about massive deficits that dwarf these profits?</p>
<p>You say you want &#8220;Single Payer Health Care&#8221; &#8211; akin to Medicare.<br />In addition to the debt &#8211; Medicare will be broke in 2020 and Social Security insolvent in 2035.  I struggle to understand what vision you are using about the future and how you feel that some signature on a bill for SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE will be any more valuable than the GM labor contract signed before their bankruptcy?</p>
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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...not displaying any real conviction is alright, because in order for &quot;they&quot; not to win, it&#039;s necessary for us to fully support Obama...even when it&#039;s not clear what he actually supports?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look, I said a long time ago that even though Obama, if he was actually elected, would be the most prominent &quot;black face in a high place&quot; in history, he still would essentially be one more &quot;black face in a high place&quot; If all the ones that came before haven&#039;t achieved what those &quot;firsts&quot; are supposed to achieve by now, then this &quot;first&quot; won&#039;t either. Of course, I can&#039;t say the fact that he&#039;s black doesn&#039;t mean anything to me at all, but first and foremost, I voted to have a Democratic President, with a Democratic administration. When it comes down to it, I regard him as a Democratic President, and I&#039;m going to treat him as such, which includes criticism when it seems appropriate. Why wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;not displaying any real conviction is alright, because in order for &#8220;they&#8221; not to win, it&#39;s necessary for us to fully support Obama&#8230;even when it&#39;s not clear what he actually supports?</p>
<p>Look, I said a long time ago that even though Obama, if he was actually elected, would be the most prominent &#8220;black face in a high place&#8221; in history, he still would essentially be one more &#8220;black face in a high place&#8221; If all the ones that came before haven&#39;t achieved what those &#8220;firsts&#8221; are supposed to achieve by now, then this &#8220;first&#8221; won&#39;t either. Of course, I can&#39;t say the fact that he&#39;s black doesn&#39;t mean anything to me at all, but first and foremost, I voted to have a Democratic President, with a Democratic administration. When it comes down to it, I regard him as a Democratic President, and I&#39;m going to treat him as such, which includes criticism when it seems appropriate. Why wouldn&#39;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-276620</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you and me and a handful of JJP posters could design the campaign that THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i know that their mambypamby mealymouthed bullshytting was DELIBERATE. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;they sold us out, and wanted to hide behind bi-partisan bullshyt, but the GOP isn&#039;t providing the cover for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you and me and a handful of JJP posters could design the campaign that THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE..</p>
<p>i know that their mambypamby mealymouthed bullshytting was DELIBERATE. </p>
<p>they sold us out, and wanted to hide behind bi-partisan bullshyt, but the GOP isn&#39;t providing the cover for it.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just don&#039;t believe i&#039;ll get the 3/4 that you&#039;re talking about. everything you said i might get in previous conversations will be stripped out by the gop in the senate if they give into this. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;he&#039;ll be standing there, signing some bullshyt bill that a republican could have put together...we&#039;re ready to throw away the public option for fucking olympia snowe and her concerns..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;G-T-F-O-H&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and, NMP, stop acting like this is in a vacuum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;they&#039;ve given the finger to the progressives time and time again...did he really think they were going to roll over on healthcare...um, nope. it&#039;s been building and building and this is it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;he hasn&#039;t fought for this, and YOU KNOW IT, NMP.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;YOU KNOW IT. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that mealymouthed bullshyt that they&#039;ve been doing isn&#039;t fighting for it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and, i&#039;m sorry...i just can&#039;t believe it wasn&#039;t deliberate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just don&#39;t believe i&#39;ll get the 3/4 that you&#39;re talking about. everything you said i might get in previous conversations will be stripped out by the gop in the senate if they give into this. </p>
<p>he&#39;ll be standing there, signing some bullshyt bill that a republican could have put together&#8230;we&#39;re ready to throw away the public option for fucking olympia snowe and her concerns..</p>
<p>G-T-F-O-H</p>
<p>and, NMP, stop acting like this is in a vacuum.</p>
<p>they&#39;ve given the finger to the progressives time and time again&#8230;did he really think they were going to roll over on healthcare&#8230;um, nope. it&#39;s been building and building and this is it. </p>
<p>he hasn&#39;t fought for this, and YOU KNOW IT, NMP.</p>
<p>YOU KNOW IT. </p>
<p>that mealymouthed bullshyt that they&#39;ve been doing isn&#39;t fighting for it. </p>
<p>and, i&#39;m sorry&#8230;i just can&#39;t believe it wasn&#39;t deliberate.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-276610</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s the beginning step to single payer, NMP. it&#039;s the way to get the foot in the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#39;s the beginning step to single payer, NMP. it&#39;s the way to get the foot in the door.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-276602</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rikyrah,  what is so vital about the public option that makes all  &lt;br&gt;other components irrelevant in your mind?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The public option has nothing to do with insuring the 40mm uninsured.   &lt;br&gt;It has nothing to do with preventing people from being dropped or  &lt;br&gt;denied coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rikyrah,  what is so vital about the public option that makes all  <br />other components irrelevant in your mind?</p>
<p>The public option has nothing to do with insuring the 40mm uninsured.   <br />It has nothing to do with preventing people from being dropped or  <br />denied coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP1</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they win, and we get nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they win, and we get nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-276228</link>
		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t say that i would feel any sense of satisfaction...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but, I can&#039;t hang with a betrayal like this, NMP. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i just can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#39;t say that i would feel any sense of satisfaction&#8230;</p>
<p>but, I can&#39;t hang with a betrayal like this, NMP. </p>
<p>i just can&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Plantsmantx</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/09/democrats-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-276204</link>
		<dc:creator>Plantsmantx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. If there&#039;s anything that should be subject to &quot;chess playing&quot;...if there&#039;s anything that to have to be straight with people on in terms of what you (&quot;you&quot; being the President) truly do and don&#039;t want, and what you truly think is and isn&#039;t possible, it&#039;s healthcare reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. If there&#39;s anything that should be subject to &#8220;chess playing&#8221;&#8230;if there&#39;s anything that to have to be straight with people on in terms of what you (&#8220;you&#8221; being the President) truly do and don&#39;t want, and what you truly think is and isn&#39;t possible, it&#39;s healthcare reform.</p>
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