Jack & Jill Politics

Sometimes I love this woman and sometimes I don't really like her. But she is the only one I have seen that is coming forth and explaining to people what this health care proposal is all about. I give her much props for that:) And Bishop Ulmer is the bomb diggity fresh!

You don't mean to tell me those knuckle draggin', name callin', venomous, screaming, insurance company whoring, sorry excuses for even mouth breathers are afraid of black people--- do you?!

You don't mean to tell me those knuckle draggin', name callin', venomous, screaming, insurance company whoring, sorry excuses for even mouth breathers are afraid of black people--- do you?!

"Why wasn’t THIS Townhall on tv?"

-No angry white folks?
-They ran out of teabags?
-The angry white folks knew they'd be surrounded...by blacks?
-Glenn Beck was on vacation?

-Add Whites don't want to hear nothing 'bout no blacks having SECOND AMENDMENT rights, let alone experience blacks exercising said right by as CPL so eloquently stating: busting cap in their asses if they act the fool.

I have a question totally unrelated. Why --- okay, okay - wait, I'm Catholic . Why do some black ministers wear what look to me as clerical collars (i.e, Catholic & Episcopalian)?

And I wonder how people showed up NOT in Maxine's district?

Why do some black ministers wear what look to me as clerical collars (i.e, Catholic & Episcopalian)?

I don't do church but I don't think the number of black ministers wearing clerical collars is proportionately any higher than the number of non-black ministers wearing clerical collars. In addition, it is also a way to announce or signal who one is.

Okay - now hopefully, I can be very tactful....

I don't do church; I did do church at one time and have a BA in Religious Studies, so this kind of stuff catches my eye, ear, and whatever else that sets off some kind of bell or buzzer.

I haven't noticed it much with nonwhite Protestant ministers. I have noticed it among black ministers. (Now ya think I would've asked while in college.) The primary wearers of clerical collars have been Catholic priests and/or Episcopalian priests that I've seen. Oh yeah, and the Lutherans have a clerical collar.

I thought maybe it had something to do with the denomination or something? It was curiosity.

Do you think the prevalence of clerical collars among black clergy might stem in great part from the heightened role and status that black ministers have historically been granted by African Americans? It could also emanate from folks feeling unsure about their actual status within a larger and more diverse society and thinking that wearing a clerical collar confers on them a status that is frequently denied to black men.

To be honest, I don't know. If ministers have been granted, historically, "heightened role and status" without why would any one of them need a collar to emphasize that role or status?

Not being male I couldn't even begin to speak about insecurities and whether a clerical collar improves or lessens whatever insecurity it is "speaking" to. I could speak to my own insecurities. However none are related to the wearing of clerical collars.

Exactly, PTCruiser.

And it was Jeremiah Wright himself who said that only a Black Minister with no advanced degree in theology will put on a collar and turn it backwards like the Episcopalians, holller "Lord, Lord!" and gets 50,000 Negroes to follow him like he's the Messiah.

It wasn't snark, either - he meant it. Those who are serious about God's work don't need lavishly designed robes and ornaments to demonstrate their faith and their seriousness about their calling.

That is what I believe, pt.

I've seen some Bishops wearing the clerical collar.

I've seen Bishops wearing dresses with frilly lace too....what a world.

I've seen COGIC & Methodist Bishops wear the collars...But a dress...hell to the naw!

It's those Catholics, Justice - you know we're not right, com'on.

It must be the 'discipline' then - if it's COGIC. I guarantee white Protestants, especially evangelicals or more fundamental types wouldn't be wearing any type of collars.....'member the Catholic Church is the Great Whore.

No, the "great whore" is a collective term that refers to people who have spiritually strayed away from GOD for worldly increase...ie...whore = sex for money. See, "giving up" the SACRED for profit.

Yes!

That may very well be.

However - historically, the Catholic Church has repeatedly been referred to as the 'great whore' described in the book of Revelation - the whore of Babylon. It's been a common theme. Trust me .....
Historicist interpreters commonly used the phrase "Whore of Babylon" to refer to the Roman Catholic Church. Most Reformation writers and all Reformers themselves, from Martin Luther (who wrote On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church), John Calvin, and John Knox (who wrote The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women) acceted this association.[6][7]

Good ole Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whore_of_Babylon

I am aware of this "common" belief. The fact that it is common should raise your suspicion. Actually, to believe that this judgement is about a specific denomination at the exclusion of others who exhibit the same spiritual flaw shows a misunderstanding of spiritual judgement. There are many catholics that don't practice spiritual prostitution just as there many protestant that do. The logic does not support this "common belief". Secondly, dont forget about those that fornicated with the "Great Whore"-that my strike even closer to home!! another thread though.

All right, I don't know what you're trying to get at.

Raise my suspicion? FWIW, I am Catholic. Believe me - I know the historical significance of the phrase, and trust me - there are many who STILL believe that shit.

This might be pointed out to them, then...

Actually, to believe that this judgement is about a specific denomination at the exclusion of others who exhibit the same spiritual flaw shows a misunderstanding of spiritual judgement.

No doubt.

I think for whatever reason we are on parallel tracks.

I'm at flaw here...I just reread your original post. I thought you were positioning it the affirmative, but I now see that you were mocking the...never mind, I get it...well stated. Hey I am new to this.

She uses props...

Why doesn't Obama do the same...because he has nothing to sell. He is a cold, impassive broker of the deal. Well, not exactly...because he's real passionate about excluding single-payer. The only thing he's trying to sell is the deal he's already made with the lobbyists...which doesn't require props...as he's not trying to educate you on anything...only manipulate you.

The post and thread here wasn't about Obama. You are the ONLY one that made it about Obama. You just can't resist a cheap shot can you?

Your disdain for the President is alive, it breathes, it has a pulse and a heartbeat that lives beyond and outside your tired words. That MONSTER you have created sucks energy and seeks only to torch and destroy. It rejects any attempt at reason. You have never once offered ONE FACT to support any of your accusations against the President.

My mother taught me not to fight women because I am stronger. But my sister taught me how to understand and sniff out negativity from certain perpetually disappointed and dissatified women who think their own shit never stinks, and who believe that they own a monopoly on truth.

Yes, I made it personal. You took silly pot shots at me in the previous thread. What the fuck does "three of five" mean? If you want to come at me, come much much stronger than that. I'm country poor, rural from the tobacco fields of North Carolina, and born and bred of slaves and sharecroppers.

We will never agree on anything. Just please don't get cute or personal with me again.

Well, you are a drama queen, aren't you?

I must say I liked your post (and I'm not being cute :-))
Thank you.

Well she is right about President Obama manipulating us. He came down in a Space Ship to my home this past weekend. He told me that he is of a Chinese and White breed, my wife looks better than Michelle Obama (for the day), and that he was born in Hawaii. <--How many manipulations are in there?

Alexander 2, your post was excellent and full of points and not baseless attacks. I offered TruthSeeker a bowl of Corn Flakes so that she could find herself or look for manipulation in it (previously in another post). She even has disdain for the Obama children which is pretty sick!

A couple reasons:

1. That townhall is probably in Inglewood or Compton and even the toughest Klansman has enough sense to stay out of Compton, and:

2. Maxine probably had NOI brothas on guard and ready to bust caps in anyone's ass who was going to show up and try to play the fool.

Like or hate Maxine Waters, she's the only CBC sista that will put out a beatdown on your ass. And she's best friends with none other than Barney Frank.

THE END

Actually they are there every day…in the police cars.

You speak true, Maxine doesn't play. Just by the nature of her stance and delivery, you can almost hear the unspoken words, "I WISH one of you mofos WOULD try ME today!"

TeeHee...

Maxine AIN'T having it!

"2. Maxine probably had NOI brothas on guard and ready to bust caps in anyone's ass who was going to show up and try to play the fool."

-You mean...there are brothas who believe in the Second Amendment?
Damn!

Maybe CNN can explore that phenomena in their next "Black In America" extravaganza:

Blacks With Guns: "We WILL Put A Cap In Your Ass!"

"You mean...there are brothas who believe in the Second Amendment?
Damn!

That's why the crackas and the media aint going near the predominately Black Town halls.

They don't want to hear no brother talking about their SECOND AMENDMENT rights!! They'd rather ignore that lil fact, ya know pretend that right doesn't exist, except for the REAL Americans.

"They don't want to hear no brother talking about their SECOND AMENDMENT rights!! They'd rather ignore that lil fact, ya know pretend that right doesn't exist, except for the REAL Americans."

(snark ON)
(drum roll, please)

The hard-working WHITE Americans!

(snark OFF)

LMBAO! Noi brothas's on call to bust caps. Sure you right, CPL.

Those crackas know who they can pull their shenanigans with, and Maxine aint one of them. LMAO!!!!!

LMAO at all your points.

You are right. It was held at Los Angeles Southwest College near South Central and not far from Inglewood.

And she had brothas working sercurity seated around and on the stage. Her husband came and she mentioned that he was worried about her. She said, they are not crazy! They are not going to show up here and I can take care of myself.

There was also a Sheriff's station on the campus. Which freaked me out because I saw all the Sheriff cars and then I saw a line of white folks..I was like....awww..sh** here we go. Then I saw the Sheriff's station. Wheeww...
But were quite a few white folks there.

White folks with some common sense. they knew who was buttering their bread. California has unemplyment rate over 11%. Under employment of over 17%. How many of these people get healthcare? Their children might under schip. They know the real deal.

And she had brothas working sercurity seated around and on the stage. Her husband came and she mentioned that he was worried about her. She said, they are not crazy! They are not going to show up here and I can take care of myself.


That's what I'm talking 'bout! They know!

I woulda showed up.....but then I AM a fan of Maxine's.