Jack & Jill Politics

AFTERNOON OPEN THREAD IS UP!!!!

Today's Conversation:
Leaving the Damaged Beyond Recognition Black Male To His Own Devices http://tinyurl.com/l5olce

Randall Terry is going on Tour ..... DEFEAT Sotomayor

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/terry-lau...

Prick!

So did they think the kids would "dirty" up the pool with their blackness?? Geez....evil...just plain evil

More than 60 campers from Northeast Philadelphia were turned away from a private swim club and left to wonder if their race was the reason.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-...

I tried to read some of the comments on the nbcphiladelphia.com page but they are causing my stomach to turn. Disgusting.

Rendell caught a lot of heat when he said that many of his constituents wouldn't vote for Obama because of his race. It seems to me that he knows his voters quite well.

Obamas arrive in Rome

http://www.politico.com/largevideobox.html?bcpi...

What a difference culture makes, I guess. They were 'horrified and depressed' by MJ's Homegoing:
http://defamer.gawker.com/5309458/the-ten-most-...
Not only that but one of the comments didn't know 'Soon and Very Soon' was a traditional gospel song! He thought 'going to see the King' was a reference to Michael! What a sad bubble some choose to live in.

"Soon and Very Soon" is one of my all time favorites, but as soon as the Andrae Crouch Singers performed the "going to see the King" line, I knew some idiot would assume it was about the King of Pop (and Greatest Entertainer Ever). White people have missed out on so much being so damn stupid.

"White people have missed out on so much being so damn stupid."

Now who is the MASTER and who is the slave?

you know it's really sad how people are clueless about black culture
how long have we been in this country?

had to explain to white co-worker what a home going was all about

co-worker " those Jacksons are crazy taking his body back home with them"

i really thought she was joking
but she wasn't just dumb as hell

oh and Gawker,jezebel,wonkette they are supposed to be so enlightened
a bunch of adults posting like children

I think it is part of white privilege. I know this is a generalization, but you won't find a black person who is as ignorant of white culture, as a many white people are about black people. In order to get by in this country black people need to be up on white culture. Unfortunately, even though black people have been in this country since the beginning most white people don't care to learn about us. As a result you see the ignorance many people here had taken issue with.

Yeah most of them are a pretty jaded bunch.

See, we come in all hues. Garcelle's little biracial baby has blonde hair.

http://www.mtv.com/photos/the-program-from-the-...

Your link is to the MJ program.

BTW, did anyone know about the innovative shoe MJ created to resist gravity...the better to do the Moonwalk with?

despite its name, the moonwalk doesn't actually have anything to do with defying gravity. however, in order for it to appear as smooth as possible when you push down on the ball of your foot and drag it back you want as little friction as possible (that's why it's easier for people to learn how to do it in socks & on a slick floor). i know that he worked with different types of shoes to try and keep that friction as low as possible, perhaps that's what you mean. the other time that he developed special shoes, was to do "the lean" in smooth criminal; people often talk about that being done with wires, but it was really due to special shoes and a trick floor.

"despite its name, the moonwalk doesn't actually have anything to do with defying gravity."

Yep..you're right!..he used it in the video Smooth Criminal, where he leans forward beyond his center of gravity...MJ was meticulous about his craft..the platform he was on had pegs to hold him. The other dancers had on the shoes as well as him. Love, that MJ genius! That is what Magic was talking about when he said he made him a better point guard..it was the devotion to his craft, that inspired Magic as well when he was on tour with MJ and saw how he orchestrated everything..just as a point guard does on the floor.

"(that's why it's easier for people to learn how to do it in socks & on a slick floor)"

Thanks moja!! Cuz, y'know I done tried it!! (w/o success, lol)

oops, I was doing too much, lol. Trying to post on JJP quickly and get back to work. See correct link below:

http://photos.essence.com/galleries/star_gazing...

It was just something to think about.....

Awwww....beautiful!! Thanks

North Korea Suspected in Cyberattack

By Blaine Harden, Brian Krebs and Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 8, 2009; 11:32 AM

TOKYO, July 8 -- South Korea's intelligence agency suspects that North Korea may have been behind an Internet attack that on Tuesday and Wednesday targeted government Web sites in South Korea and the United States, lawmakers in Seoul told Yonhap news service.

Twenty-six Internet sites in the two countries, including the office of South Korea's president and the defense ministry, were targeted, the South Korean National Intelligence Service said in a statement. In the United States, the attack targeted Web sites operated by major government agencies, including the departments of Homeland Security and Defense, the Federal Aviation Administration and the Federal Trade Commission, according to several computer security researchers.

"The attacks appear to have been elaborately prepared and executed at the level of a group or a state," reported Yonhap, the South Korean news service. Some members of the intelligence committee in the country's National Assembly were told by intelligence officials that North Korea or its sympathizers were prime suspects in the attacks, according to Yonhap, which cited unnamed legislators.

But no hard evidence has emerged that North Korea is responsible for the attacks. A spokesman for the South Korean intelligence agency said it could not confirm the Yonhap report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

Speaking of Palin......

In the conversation about being physically demonstrative with our children and connecting with them, et al., I should let ya all know - we kiss our pets too.

Okay - whew....I feel better.

LOL! WordSmith, don't be fooled; black folks love and own pets and kiss them too.

I used to have 2 poodles and 2 cats, and I loved them. I nuzzled noses and pecked them on the cheeks.

I think the difference is how we treat both animals and humans.

Some folks won't or do not have the capacity to transfer their affections and emotions to animals on to humans, and that is the sad and maddening element here.

Long, long ago when I worked for Planned Parenthood, we'd listen to NPR over the 'PA system. This piece came on about 'do you kiss your pets?' You could hear snorting coming from the different offices - pfft! Do I kiss my PETS! well yeah! Do I kiss my pets? Who DOESN'T kiss their pets?

I met a therapy dog the other day, a Pekinese dog who looked like a minature teddy bear. I'm not a fan of Pekinese but he was the CUTEST DAMN THING.

LOL, don't worry I won't give you the side eye. Sometimes the cute is hard to resist.

That's it exactly, "the cute is hard to resist." !!

A Life Worth Celebrating
Wednesday, July 8, 2009
Eugene Robinson

Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. may have exaggerated when he called Michael Jackson "the greatest entertainer that ever lived," but there's no question that the memorial service yesterday in Los Angeles deserved all the superlatives anyone might want to apply -- biggest, most elaborate, most widely viewed. There were no half-measures for the King of Pop.

Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. may have exaggerated when he called Michael Jackson "the greatest entertainer that ever lived," but there's no question that the memorial service yesterday in Los Angeles deserved all the superlatives anyone might want to apply -- biggest, most elaborate, most widely viewed. There were no half-measures for the King of Pop.
In many ways, it was more a commemoration of the man's genius than of the man himself. Funerals are not a time for ambivalence, and the one thing everyone could agree on about Jackson -- the one thing, perhaps, that anyone except those closest to him could truly know -- was that his artistic contributions were revolutionary, profound and lasting.

In a Maya Angelou poem, read from the Staples Center stage by Queen Latifah, there was a telling line: "Whether we knew who he was or did not know, he was ours and we were his." Some of those who paid him tribute did know him intimately -- his brother Jermaine, who sang "Smile" as if Michael were standing next to him, or Brooke Shields, who struggled to speak through tears. Some others seemed barely to have known him at all, and they were the ones who touched on the controversy in Jackson's life. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Tex.), for example, took a moment to point out that our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence.
There was much about Jackson that his millions of fans perhaps didn't want to know. His talent, though, was unmistakable. When John Mayer brought out his guitar for an instrumental version of "Human Nature," you heard Jackson's sweet voice in the riffs he played.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

Good article by Eugene. Hopefully, Bob Herbert read it.

Word. Bob Herbert wasn't trying to give decent props to MJ. Yet he can
defend Joan Walsh.

Bob Herbert: http://www.wwf.org.au/assets/tommy-turtle-logo.jpg

You ain't kidding. Herbert took a big ol' gulp of haterade before he wrote his article the other day.

But then again, wasn't it Herbert who saw a phallus symbol in that structure when Obama went to Berlin during the primaries. Dude got issues.

I posted his column the other day on the Serena Williams threads. I thought I was the only one who that Herbert drunk as you say haterade. Yes Jackson had his problems, but in his column it seem like Herbert was blaming Jackson for Regan and all the other ills in our society after the Regan presidency.

I thought Sheila Jackson Lee was a low moment in a superb memorial. There was no need to even mention the trials. I didn't appreciate her going there and also didn't appreciate her rambling on and refusing to get off the stage. They could have left her somewhere, for real.

i liked that she highlighted his humanitarian work, even in recent years which folks like to claim were just full of craziness, and how he was respected by leaders from around the world; but i thought at times she rambled and her line of thought was pretty hard to follow for a lot of it.
i sort of cringed whenever any of the speakers explicitly addressed the trials etc. because predictably that was what a lot of the commentary focused on. instead of taking those soundbites as the call outs that they were, they were termed "defensive" and just used to further the media's existing talking point.

For me, Sheila Jackson Lee was a highlight in the memorial service.

She articulated the truths and called on folks to take the higher ground in
their coverage of MJ. It was just the right balance.

I know that Ms. Lee will be one of the fierce debaters on the getting the MJ
resolution passed, and I am delighted that she shared this intention at the
memorial service.

I have mixed views about JacksonLee, probably cause I still have HATE from the primaries...but I thought she humanized Michael as a man and person, vs a personality. Her acknowledging his humanitarian efforts with heads of states was a very powerful statement to make to his children in public. She also unequivocably stated that in America the US Constitution says you are INNOCENT until it is proved otherwise.

Those words along with Sharpton's will probably be a real boon to the kids in the coming months and years, when folks talk about all the sensational gossip and tabolid freznyfictions that were written about MJ that so distorted the true person in terms of what folks knew about him publically.

So, in short I guess I am saying, even though I had to contain my disgust at hearing her voice, she was undoubtedly good for the children.

My sentiments exactly, wrb.

I concur wrb!

Sheila was right on to speak of Michael's humanitarian efforts & about being innocent until proven otherwise. Props to her!

Didn't happen to catch Sheila Jackson Lee, but John Mayer played the HELL out of that Human Nature!

Sure he did!

Loved it.

For Russian Blacks, Obama Visit Stirs Special Interest

http://www.rferl.org/content/For_Russian_Blacks...

I didn't realize there were blacks in Russia, then again I didn't know there were blacks in Iraq. One thing I heard that one of Russia's greatest writers Alexander Puskin might have been mixed.

I always like reading about the Diaspora, and I find it informative.

Interesting read...thanks Rikyrah.

Are they going to interview Black people in EVERY country Obama goes to to see how "historical" they think he is? That really got old for me a few months ago.

Normally I'd co-sign, but I have to make an exception in this case. I've been curious about race relations in Russia in recent years because I hope to visit one day; but what little information I've come across about it isn't encouraging and usually involves violence. So I'm all over anything that sheds light on that situation.

LOL....dear, you're in for a long ride....LOL...dont you know the media just discovered all the people of color around the globe..hell, including right here in the good ole USA!

Hey Miranda,

Did you see Rebbie yesterday at the funeral? Was that her on stage with Paris, fixing the mic with her back to us, in the black hat?

Yep! That was Auntie Rebbie!

Rebbie will be 60 she looks good

Yes she does!

Rebbie looks damn good! I get the feeling that she's not had much (if any) plastic surgery.

For the John Mayer Fans

Guitar solo of Human Nature

i loved his comment that he didn't want to perform, but rather to contribute; so many of the people we heard about wanting to participate, so obviously wanted to perform ie. they wanted to be part of it for themselves.

I want to make this my last MJ post (hopefully...sigh...)

I was moved by Stevie Wonder's tribute "Never thought you'd leave in Summer." He segued into another song that I vaguely remembered. Had to do some diggin' but Whew!! it was worth it. Although Stevie left out a stanza or two, the lyrics were so very appropriate for the moment and the man.

Thank you Stevie and all who participated in the memorial service.

"They Won't Go When I Go" by Stevie Wonder
No more lying friends
Wanting tragic ends
Though they do pretend
They won't go when I go

All those bleeding hearts
With sorrows to impart
Were right here from the start
And they won't go when I go

And I'll go where I've longed
To go so long
Away from tears

Gone from painful cries
Away from saddened eyes
Along with Him I'll bide
Because they won't go when I go

Big men feeling small
Weak ones standing tall
I will watch them fall
They won't go when I go

And I'll go where I've longed
To go so long
Away from tears

Unclean minds mislead the pure
The innocent will leave for sure
For them there is a resting place
People sinning just for fun
They will never see the sun
For they can never show their faces
There ain't no room for the hopeless sinner
Who will take more than he will give
He ain't hardly gonna give

The greed of man will be
Far away from me
And my soul will be free
They won't go when I go

Since my soul conceived
All that I believe
The kingdom I will see
'Cause they won't go when I go

When I go
Where I'll go
No one can keep me
From my destiny.

From the Fulfillingness First Finale album

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whjD_1E0Lls

Thanks, isonprize. The song is poetically appros.

Just saw something about the coroner's report on CNN. The lady said her sources told her that the coroner said that they'd "never seen anything like" Michael Jackson's body. Apparently, he was emaciated and his skin was "as white as paper".

Sorry, but I'm not believing these "sources" who have so much to say about the state of MJ's body.

"Can't Truss It!"

Yeah, andersonCooper talked about that last night. It is hard to beleive that someone described as emaciated could have been so full of energy at the last rehearsal we saw. They also mentioned he was completely bald and as you noted his entire body white as paper.

That's why I doubt the skin bleaching story-NO ONE is that color. I remember seeing vitaligo victims and seeing the lack of color was just that. Looking at the 'You are Not Alone' video just emphasizes how almost translucent his skin looked.

I am with you shazza, I think it was vitligo...and that is most likely why he started wearing the one glove, so folks could not see the likely spotting on his hand in the intial stages of the disease.

I also read that vitiligo was familial on his paternal side. i.e. other relatives have it.

It actually makes me doubt the vitiligo story. I find it hard to believe that with all the bodies they've had to work on, they've never done an autopsy on someone who had vitiligo.

I do believe MJ when he says he loved black people. You don't go against the mainstream and tell the world the truth by having beautiful black people play Egyptians if you don't love black people. I still believe that he had vitiligo, but the autopsy story on CNN, if true, is bringing doubts into my mind about how he felt about his blackness. Not us, but himself.

I do not think that the lack of pigmentation had a darn think to do with MJ's blackness. Black is a culture a state of mind...it is not about pigment.

Look at that Clarence Thomas...yet Thurgood was a stalwart when it came to civil rights.

Color should never be used as a criteria for how folks view their cultural heirtage when they are black.

Also, Walter Francis White who was the executive secretary of the NAACP from 1931-1955 if you didn't know if racial background already if you looked at a picture of him you would think he was a white man.

I believe he had vitiligo AND bleached his skin.

Although with the amount of extra pale white people there on in the world, it's hard to believe the coroner's office "never saw" skin that color before.

I think this is possibly the most likely scenario. He probably bleached to get even. But the fact is, he's been even toned for a while now. I think he kept bleaching even after his skin was evened out.

Well it seems to me if this Klein, his dermatologist, is out their talking about being the sperm donor, someone needs to ask him what MJ did to accelerate the loss of pigmentation, so that he did not look spotted as the vitiligo proceeded.

I have seen folks with vitiligo who lose their pigment, and they do look chalky white..not even pink like albinos...but like a translucent white.

I find it hard to believe that with all the bodies they've had to work on, they've never done an autopsy on someone who had vitiligo.

Not necessarily.... coroners don't get sight of every known disease and syndrome or has seen every type of 'cause of death.' As an example: my nephew has PKU. Their pediatrician, who had been their pediatrician for all four of their kids, had never had a patient with PKU, and he had been practicing for 27 years.

Then too - the coroner in this case may have seen cases of vitiligo and just not seen one as progressed, as in the length of time the patient had it. Who knows.

I know we've covered a lot of Michael Jackson but someone scanned in the memorial program. It was lovely-
http://www.mtv.com/photos/the-program-from-the-...
Great photos and statements from most of the family.

Thanks!! Nice...

Good get; Shazza; thanks a heap!

Thanks! The comments from all the nieces and nephews got me.

Thanks Shazza!

You're welcome! As soon as I saw the CNN reporter with it, I really wanted to see it up close! It was like Bernie Mac's book-that was lovely too.

I know this is crass, but they really should offer the memorial program for sale.

and a DVD.

Not crass at all, rikyrah. I'd purchase it in a hot minute!

I think they should put the money in a trust fund for the kids. Take care of the kids first.

I think that would be a great idea. I'd buy it!

They could donate the money to charity.

They SHOULD donate the money to charity. They'll be able to make plenty of money off of the concert footage we all know they will make into a DVD and sell.

I don't know about that..It is starting to feel like a circus at this point. I hope that now that the memorial is over they will his body to rest and start treating his memory with a little respect.

It's not crass, Rikyrah, I feel the EXACT same way. If they offered them as a package, I'd buy it.

Reid to Baucus: Stop Chasing GOP Votes on Health Care
By David M. Drucker and Emily Pierce
Roll Call Staff
July 7, 2009, 5:35 p.m.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday ordered Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) to drop a proposal to tax health benefits and stop chasing Republican votes on a massive health care reform bill.
Reid, whose leadership is considered crucial if President Barack Obama is to deliver on his promise of enacting health care reform this year, offered the directive to Baucus through an intermediary after consulting with Senate Democratic leaders during Tuesday morning’s regularly scheduled leadership meeting. Baucus was meeting with Finance ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) Tuesday afternoon to relay the information.

According to Democratic sources, Reid told Baucus that taxing health benefits and failing to include a strong government-run insurance option of some sort in his bill would cost 10 to 15 Democratic votes; Reid told Baucus it wasn’t worth securing the support of Grassley and at best a few additional Republicans.
By Tuesday afternoon, the Finance Committee began looking at ways other than taxing health benefits to deliver a health care overhaul that costs less than $1 trillion and is deficit-neutral, as Baucus wants.

“This was discussed in the weekly Democratic leadership meeting,” one Democratic source confirmed Tuesday afternoon. “These concerns were relayed to [Baucus] later on.”
Baucus for months has worked with Grassley on a health care reform bill that could garner bipartisan support. But the Finance chairman was forced last month to delay the markup of his committee’s bill because such a compromise remained elusive.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/36546-1.html

Franken finally sworn in. 60 senators is a bit misleading. 2(Byrd, Kennedy) of them are too sick to do anything. Two(Sanders, Lieberman) of them are independents and 1(Specter) of them is a turncoat that is trying to save his own behind. The other 55 couldn't agree on time of the day let alone legislation.

I really hope Palin gets gassed enough to run for president in 2012 and I hope she wins the nomination just so I can see Obama make her look silly in the debates

O it is very misleading. this is nothing but GOP hype..to give the false impression that since the Dems are 'incontrol' anything that happens is due to their 'supermajority'

I hate those lying ratbastardrepublicans.

I do not want Obama debating Palin...blackman vs. whitewoman...it is a NO WIN situation...just a politically disasterous scenario.

Most of the HRC supporters are STILL mad that a black man was President b4 a white woman...they still talking about it being terrible, just like when the black man had the right to vote b4 women.

Nope...let Palin...die and wither on the vine somewhere...maybe she can try to swim upstream with Salmon and expire from the sheer effort .

Agree. I don't much care for the 60 senators lock the vote hype.

The GOP don't get to use the #60 as an excuse to sit on their asses and refuse to do their jobs.

I dont' care who you are, this is a LOT of supplies:

After Hurricane Katrina devastated much of the Gulf Coast in August 2005, tearing the roofs from Mount Olive homes and leaving the town without water or power for weeks, McNair sent more than two dozen tractor-trailers full of supplies.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090708/SPOR...

Not surprising Mcnair was alturistic. Good to hear that he was more than just an Alstar NFL player.

Awesome humanitarian aide...

AND he was also alturistic with his spermatozoa too.

You know he and Mechelle have been married 12 years, yet McNair has an 8 year old son. The mother was contacted by McNair's attys, soon after his death.

He provided for all his sons.

Yeah, Tom Joyner talked about what a humanitarian McNair was.

At first I thought Tom meant 2, not 2 dozen....I had to look it up...indeed it was 24 tractor-trailers!

Good Morning.Here is your Morning track. enjoy
brass construction - get up to get down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvPrjRGhdsM

All right, now! Some hump day funk. Thanks.

thank you

Yeah! That's what I'm talking about. They just don't make good funk like this anymore.

Alright dj.

You better stop! Just jamming with funk this morning! :)

Just stop it!!!!!!!

djchefron you are the Man.......I mentioned it yesterday and you played it. Thanks and now B.T Express..Here's come The Express, or put in your piece pipe and smoke it on up!

Okay, the more I see of Toure, the less I like him.

like a lot of people, he's pretty much gotten more airtime in the last week and a half than he has in the rest of his career; that tends to explain quite a bit of what you're hearing from some of these folks.

Exactly.

Black opposition to Obama is lucrative.
Black opposition to MJ is lucrative.
That. Is. All.

Wash, rinse, REPEAT, Sepia.

Screw Toure and their ilk.

And if you reverse the equation:

White support for Palin is lucrative
White support for Elvis is lucartive

That.is.ALL

He was ok on the Today Show. He must have his moments.

I AGREE

Right there with you guys!

I was there a long time ago.

Why in the world am I watching Morning Joke? Buchanan is citing how Sarah Palin's favorables among people who didn't graduate high school is about something.

About something? It's about how uneducated loves uneducated leadership. And, it gets me thinking about that Coates' piece. It's downright pathetic. One thing I do hafta say is that in communities of color there has been a strong strain of a genuine appreciation for education and educated leadership. As bell hooks has often written, education as the practice of freedom is an act and process of liberation.

I kept on challenging folks with this question:

what if Sarah Palin were BLACK?

The Black folks broke it down and understood exactly what I was talking about, and agreed.

A lot of the White folks there didn't want to admit the brutality of the answer to that question.

I kept on asking...

Where's the Black Republican with Palin's resume?

they brought up folks, and I was like, uh -huh.

Slave catchers as they may be, they didn't dare have Palin's resume.

Coates broke it down:

Anyone Black who was THAT ignorant and would publicly admit he would be proud to be that IGNORANT, wasn't in Black elective office: they were a gangsta rapper.

Yep!

"Anyone Black who was THAT ignorant and would publicly admit he would be proud to be that IGNORANT, wasn't in Black elective office: they were a gangsta rapper."

The pole stripper and the rap video 'Ho = No difference, except that bitch is WHITE!

Not only that but I also play 'What if that were a Democrat'-can you imagine what a field day Repubs would have with someone like that? It's bad enough how they tried to dismiss Obama DESPITE his accomplishments!

And let's not even forget the asinine mess Rethugs came out of their mouths with regarding Sotomayor......she ain't intelligent enough after attending both Princeton and Harvard at the TOP of her class and receiving the highest honor for a student during the process.

We are definitely living in a parallel universe in these United States these days....


Hypocrisy and ignorance is sadly here to stay...and the fringe has let us know...instead of "Reading is fundamental"...Whiteness is now fundamental..they are scurred shitless that they can no longer dominate the playing field...desperation...there is no other way to explain this crap.

They keep moving them damn goalposts. I noticed that during the primaries.

Damn.....ya know it takes real talent to talk outta BOTH sides of ya neck like the rethugs do. That is absolutely amazing. Go to Princeton and Harvard, graduate at the top of your class, you're not intelligent enough to be on the Supreme Court (although you're a federal judge NOW)...but get a bachelor's degree in 5 or 6 years after going through 5 or 6 colleges and have all of 2 years as the governor of the state with the smallest population and an abundance of natural resources where you still fuck it up and you can be President of the United States.

Yeah...it is astounding how hypocritical and ironic that is at the same time....simply amazing to me.

Yes, but has anyone seen the BS degree?

Let's see that degree, Sarah. All we've seen thus far is quantitative DEGREES of Bullshit.

Funny how black people are told by creeps like Buchanan to "get an education" but with someone like Sarah Palin education is "bad."

Being poor and white, like rednecks, is a lifestyle, a choice to honor where you came from.

Being poor and Black is a moral failing, a choice to fail.

So being poor and white is not a moral failing- it's noble.

This is the foundation for race politics in this country.

Whoop, there it is!

ITA! I find it incredibly offensive that this ignorant, simple minded woman is being put on a pedestal as a potential leader of this country.

gotta love that white privilege.

People are narcissists and they want to see people like themselves.

The power brokers in the GOP know the only way they stay in power is to turn out stupid, racist people.

So they trot out a white dummy that stupid, racist people can relate to. Sarah Palin is the latest dummy.

The Powers That Be in the GOP look down on dummies like Sarah Palin but they need them to turn out the vote.

"The power brokers in the GOP know the only way they stay in power is to turn out stupid, racist people."

And thus making the power brokers complicit and therefore, RACIST as well.

Well, just like the Clinton organization in their death throes openly appealed to "hard working Americans...WHITE Americans." They weren't dog-whistling at that point, they were shouting in the bullhorn..."Hey WHITE PEOPLE...don't vote for that dude because he's BLACK...vote for me cuz I'm WHITE...and we WHITES gotta stick together..."

Hillary was counting on the fact that some white people would rather not vote for a black...and they'd vote against their own interests to avoid doing so.

So true, Town. And when Bubba and nem got called out for it, he sticks his greasy finger out and says in his most sincerest southern mannner:

"I am not a RACIST." "Why that is the most ridiculous thing anybody could ever say about me. Didn't y'all know that Toni Morrison said I was the "First Black President?"

O, but he probably is not a racist, he is worst than a racist...he used racism for political gain..that is low and immoral..to appeal to the worst of human nature for personal gain.

Is everyone in agreement that the election of BO brought the racial tension and issues in this country to the fore front? Folks don't even care bout the stigma of being racist anymore.

As Monie has stated, It's all fear and desperation at this point. Whites are becoming the MINORITY, and they are SCURRED shitless.

Yes!

Palin's whiteness trumps ignorance!

AMEN!!! Hypocrisy much?

Those people are generally Republicans, and sarah won't get anywhere with only the GOP base behind her. She scares the shit out of just about everyone else. If she EVER ascended to the WH, I'm out of here (seriously).

Because her ignorance and idiocy is glaring.

And, seriously - I'd be packing me and my entire family off somewhere "if she EVER ascended to the WH" because therein would be the total destruction of this country.

No.

Those people are generally idiots.

Its beyond insulting how the corporate media insists on portraying regular Americans as uneducated, backwards beer swilling buffoons who don't know how to speak in coherent sentences. That's not regular America; that's what used to be called the "lunatic fringe." I guess the new name for these wackos is "teabaggers."

Yeah after Bush II and the arrival of Obama, education became 'elitist' and oooh Joe Sixpack became the 'REAL American'. Whatever!!

I just saw an article on HuffPo where it claims that 7 out of 10 Repubs polled would vote for Palin in 2012. Really? Did they go to WV for this poll? I must admit there's a small part of me that would like to see her run in 2012- Rove would be working day and night to get her ready for a debate against Obama.
No, you'd probably see a box on her back like we did when Bush II did his debates.

I must admit there's a small part of me that would like to see her run in 2012

What - for the entertainment value? LOLOLOL

I cannot listen to her talk. Can't do it. It was actually painful to hear her quit her job in that rambling mess she called a press conference.

I just want her to GO AWAY, the potential entertainment value isn't worth the possibility of her possibly winning. We'll always have 2008, but I'd rather never see/hear her again (seriously, her voice is annoying as hell)

America does not need THAT kind of entertainment. You right Muzikal..just go away.

I can't listen to her talk either. It's amazing that she wanted to be a broadcaster because not only does she do 'pageant-speak' but her voice is grating. She really is like Bush II-talking loud and saying nothing.

No kidding! Listening to her speak is maddening.