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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle&#039;s father was buried at the macabre cemetery??...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle&#39;s father was buried at the macabre cemetery??&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When life begins is far from concrete.&lt;br&gt;That is a scientific fact. Only religion doubts that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When life begins is far from concrete.<br />That is a scientific fact. Only religion doubts that.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you say that abortion stops life from developing then that concedes it is not life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you say that murder is the deliberate and wilful taking of a human life, then you have to concede that manslaughter, self-defense, and soldiers killing is not defined as DELIBRATE and WILFIL but rather not deliberate ( manslaughter), self-defense ( not wilful) and soldiers at war ...deliberate and willful but nevertheless not considered murder.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which means, even if the death of the fetus is deliberate and wilful under the law it can be classified as NOT MURDER just as soldiers killing is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you say that abortion stops life from developing then that concedes it is not life.</p>
<p>If you say that murder is the deliberate and wilful taking of a human life, then you have to concede that manslaughter, self-defense, and soldiers killing is not defined as DELIBRATE and WILFIL but rather not deliberate ( manslaughter), self-defense ( not wilful) and soldiers at war &#8230;deliberate and willful but nevertheless not considered murder.</p>
<p>Which means, even if the death of the fetus is deliberate and wilful under the law it can be classified as NOT MURDER just as soldiers killing is.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What do you say about the science that tells us that stem cells from adults are proven to be more effective in advancing medicine than embryonic stem cells?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is false. Embryonic stem cells are far more useful in advancing medicine than adult stem cells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do you say about the science that tells us that stem cells from adults are proven to be more effective in advancing medicine than embryonic stem cells?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is false. Embryonic stem cells are far more useful in advancing medicine than adult stem cells.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/tuesday-open-thread-53/comment-page-3/#comment-238391</link>
		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is so extreme about believing that God is the creator of all life. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While &#039;extreme&#039; is not an apt characterization..I can say that it is a factless assertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is so extreme about believing that God is the creator of all life. &#8220;</p>
<p>While &#39;extreme&#39; is not an apt characterization..I can say that it is a factless assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: eclecticbrotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>eclecticbrotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, in that case I believe my premise that 2+2=5 should be taught in all the schools. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Earth was considered flat until it was &lt;strong&gt;scientifically proven&lt;/strong&gt; it was round. Its not a theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, in that case I believe my premise that 2+2=5 should be taught in all the schools. </p>
<p>The Earth was considered flat until it was <strong>scientifically proven</strong> it was round. Its not a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Conserv1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conserv1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why encourage discussion upon which there is no factual basis. What is there to discuss about 1 + 1 = 2. Nothing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But when life begins is just as concrete. When a sperm meets an egg, events are set in motion that if left uninterrupted most likely will result in a new, viable human life. That is not a religious view but a scientific fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why encourage discussion upon which there is no factual basis. What is there to discuss about 1 + 1 = 2. Nothing.</p>
<p>But when life begins is just as concrete. When a sperm meets an egg, events are set in motion that if left uninterrupted most likely will result in a new, viable human life. That is not a religious view but a scientific fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Conserv1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conserv1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Government is better than Big Business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nuclear power is bad for the environment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Global warming is man-made.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Embryonic stem cell research is more effective than adult stem cell research.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Evolution must negate the existence of God.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not know one conservative who does not believe that the sky is blue or that gravity exists.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But you must concede that there are many moral and ethical questions that allow for many opinions and theories to exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Government is better than Big Business.</p>
<p>Nuclear power is bad for the environment.</p>
<p>Global warming is man-made.</p>
<p>Embryonic stem cell research is more effective than adult stem cell research.</p>
<p>Evolution must negate the existence of God.</p>
<p>I do not know one conservative who does not believe that the sky is blue or that gravity exists.</p>
<p>But you must concede that there are many moral and ethical questions that allow for many opinions and theories to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Conserv1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conserv1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make valid points, but you cannot categorically say that you are right and I am wrong, which is what the political partisans on the left and the right attempt to do in order to dominate and control debate, public opinion and policy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to the question of abortion, there is no denying that if left to develop without interference, life inside the womb will in due time become viable outside the womb. That is a fact. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, what is murder. Murder is the deliberate and willful taking of a human life. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Abortion is a procedure created by man to interfere, stop life from developing, protecting a woman and a man from the consequences of their actions. Making abortion safe, legal and rare does not change the fact that abortion stops the natural process of life. So what you deem NOT to be murder can also be seen clearly by others as murder. As citizens they have a right to express how they would like to see their government act in response to the issue of abortion, climate change, health care, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And so we debate, engage, hone our opinions, change or solidify our beliefs. We grow as individuals and revel in our freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make valid points, but you cannot categorically say that you are right and I am wrong, which is what the political partisans on the left and the right attempt to do in order to dominate and control debate, public opinion and policy.</p>
<p>As to the question of abortion, there is no denying that if left to develop without interference, life inside the womb will in due time become viable outside the womb. That is a fact. </p>
<p>So, what is murder. Murder is the deliberate and willful taking of a human life. </p>
<p>Abortion is a procedure created by man to interfere, stop life from developing, protecting a woman and a man from the consequences of their actions. Making abortion safe, legal and rare does not change the fact that abortion stops the natural process of life. So what you deem NOT to be murder can also be seen clearly by others as murder. As citizens they have a right to express how they would like to see their government act in response to the issue of abortion, climate change, health care, etc.</p>
<p>And so we debate, engage, hone our opinions, change or solidify our beliefs. We grow as individuals and revel in our freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and he deserves it for a lifetime of hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and he deserves it for a lifetime of hard work.</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anybody read this?&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/naacp-and-the-betrayal-of-black-america/#more-13119&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/naac...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you remember this part?&lt;br&gt;I’ve seen the following happen:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They hired a bunch of white, mostly male consultants to help re-launch their website in time for the convention. Which, btw, so far, it’s not looking so re-launched just yet. (Full disclosure, my company bid for this work and was not selected.) #FAIL &lt;br&gt;Several people at the small Bay Area meeting, including me, mentioned that we had signed up online as dues-paying members once at &lt;a href=&quot;http://NAACP.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NAACP.org&lt;/a&gt; only to never receive a message. Not even one to renew membership. All the NAACP staff nodded and mentioned they’d heard that too. To date, I still have yet to receive a single membership email. This was MONTHS ago. I can’t understand an organization that is uninterested in communicating with and retaining paying members online. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;I have emailed the NAACP’s new director of IT and Ben Jealous (after being rejected for the web work) personally to let them know I’m willing to help and to offer further discussion on guest blogging on JJP. No response. Rinku Sen of ARC, Van Jones (formerly of Green for All), James Rucker of Color of Change AND um, Michael Blake, Director of African-American Outreach at the White House have all guest-blogged on JJP but I guess the NAACP ain’t interested in talking to you. Sorry! #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP failed to sponsor or even show up to the premier (and only) conference of black bloggers — Blogging While Brown, despite having a large staff and doubtless, representatives in Chicago who could have been tapped to reach out to this powerful and influential group of emerging African-American leaders who collectively reach millions of the target audience on subjects ranging from entertainment to fashion to IT to politics. All the bloggers surveyed said that they are interested in and blog about political and social issues. Better believe that Color of Change with a staff of around 5 or 6 people sent a representative to join us. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP managed to take credit for the Jena 6 victory as if it happened because of them. Yet, in fact Color of Change and black bloggers did the heavy lifting here while the NAACP Legal Defense Fund was asleep at the wheel. They spent more than half the money they raised for Jena 6 on themselves and raised 10 times LESS than Color of Change. Pitiful. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;Despite national attention around its historic convention, the NAACP blog has not been updated (as of today) since June 26, 2009. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP twitter account, owned by someone connected with the NAACP at a high level, still has yet to follow anyone and has released zero tweets as of today. Yet the corporate-sponsored @NAACPwebcast twitter account is somewhat lively. There are tons of influential black people on twitter. I talk to them daily. Ugh. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The @NAACPWebcast twitter account is lively as mentioned but it’s following twice as many people as are following it. This means that people are largely declining to follow it in return. And the people powering this account have yet to tweet and respond to anyone — it’s a one-way conversation. The NAACP is not interested in helping you with the webcast or engaging in any form of dialogue with black people online. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;A few people are using the #naacp hashtag but few of them are black bloggers or black online influentials. Certainly no media seems to be using it as far as I can tell. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP Facebook Fan Page has over 3000 fans, but the organization has yet to post one thing on its own wall. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP Group Page on Facebook has over 4000 members, tons of wall posts — including most from racists and white supremacists. There appears to be no official NAACP spokesperson active there. There was however this poignant and desperate wall post (no response = #FAIL): &lt;br&gt;Duane G. Davis Sr. 1402 Lochner Rd.Apt A Baltimore Md. 21239 Dear Ms. Lisa Madigan Concerning our recent correspondence dated 1-16-09 (08 IG 00094):regarding the issue of my request for your office to investigate my charges of political and judicial miss-conduct does needs to be addressed through your office. We seem to have a failure in our communications. During my illegal incarceration Ms. Shirl Nelson and my family members called your office and informed you that I was being illegally detained. Her phone records and my letters to Mr. Griffin is proof of my attempts to receive Due Process and Equal Protection. The Whistle Blowers Act is designed to Snitch on corrupt public official and bring them in front of the courts to have them held accountable. I have sent you information ever since 3-3-08. And every time I request your help or attention you give me reasons why you can not h&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The new NAACP has yet to lead a successful campaign on behalf of African-Americans. Instead, they’ve jumped on board several campaigns already established by other organizations such as Troy Davis (led by Amnesty International), Oscar Grant (led by Color of Change), the New Yorker cover with Michelle and Barack Obama (led by black bloggers and you) are a few that come to mind. Even the Philly pool incident elicited only a statement from the NAACP but no call to action such as you’ve seen here and on other black blogs and videos. Supporting others’ campaigns is a good strategy to repair frayed alliances and create new ones. But it ain’t the same as actual leadership. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP recently advertised for a social media specialist but only as a contract worker and only for 6 months. I spoke to someone - a smart, standup guy - at Blogging While Brown who had been interested until he realized they weren’t serious. We both had to roll our eyes. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;The NAACP has done zero black blogger outreach (as far as I can tell) for their big convention. Guess they must think we’re going to write about it anyway. Word: we’re less interested than you might think. #FAIL &lt;br&gt;Ben Jealous recently wrote an article on the NAACP blog and published on CNN all about how the NAACP is still “radical” — an concept he borrowed in part from conversation with me. Yet, this same organization who couldn’t manage to acknowledge Blogging While Brown (which was attendedn by folks like WordPress/Automattic, ATT, &lt;a href=&quot;http://EbonyJet.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EbonyJet.com&lt;/a&gt;, BlogHer, Free Press and many others) did manage to open the New York Stock Exchange on July 9th. No one who can be considered radical is opening the New York Stock Exchange. Ever. Some folks on Wall Street until recently, you might remember, enriched themselves at our expense in the subprime mortgage debacle. The NAACP is officially brought to you by The Man and The Powers That Be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is why there is a JackandJillpolitics, super spade, Mirror on America, Black Snob. You can galvanize all these blogs into making a point and having their posters/readers act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anybody read this?<br /><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/naacp-and-the-betrayal-of-black-america/#more-13119" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/naac.." rel="nofollow">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/naac..</a>.<br />Do you remember this part?<br />I’ve seen the following happen:</p>
<p>They hired a bunch of white, mostly male consultants to help re-launch their website in time for the convention. Which, btw, so far, it’s not looking so re-launched just yet. (Full disclosure, my company bid for this work and was not selected.) #FAIL <br />Several people at the small Bay Area meeting, including me, mentioned that we had signed up online as dues-paying members once at <a href="http://NAACP.org" rel="nofollow">NAACP.org</a> only to never receive a message. Not even one to renew membership. All the NAACP staff nodded and mentioned they’d heard that too. To date, I still have yet to receive a single membership email. This was MONTHS ago. I can’t understand an organization that is uninterested in communicating with and retaining paying members online. #FAIL <br />I have emailed the NAACP’s new director of IT and Ben Jealous (after being rejected for the web work) personally to let them know I’m willing to help and to offer further discussion on guest blogging on JJP. No response. Rinku Sen of ARC, Van Jones (formerly of Green for All), James Rucker of Color of Change AND um, Michael Blake, Director of African-American Outreach at the White House have all guest-blogged on JJP but I guess the NAACP ain’t interested in talking to you. Sorry! #FAIL <br />The NAACP failed to sponsor or even show up to the premier (and only) conference of black bloggers — Blogging While Brown, despite having a large staff and doubtless, representatives in Chicago who could have been tapped to reach out to this powerful and influential group of emerging African-American leaders who collectively reach millions of the target audience on subjects ranging from entertainment to fashion to IT to politics. All the bloggers surveyed said that they are interested in and blog about political and social issues. Better believe that Color of Change with a staff of around 5 or 6 people sent a representative to join us. #FAIL <br />The NAACP managed to take credit for the Jena 6 victory as if it happened because of them. Yet, in fact Color of Change and black bloggers did the heavy lifting here while the NAACP Legal Defense Fund was asleep at the wheel. They spent more than half the money they raised for Jena 6 on themselves and raised 10 times LESS than Color of Change. Pitiful. #FAIL <br />Despite national attention around its historic convention, the NAACP blog has not been updated (as of today) since June 26, 2009. #FAIL <br />The NAACP twitter account, owned by someone connected with the NAACP at a high level, still has yet to follow anyone and has released zero tweets as of today. Yet the corporate-sponsored @NAACPwebcast twitter account is somewhat lively. There are tons of influential black people on twitter. I talk to them daily. Ugh. #FAIL <br />The @NAACPWebcast twitter account is lively as mentioned but it’s following twice as many people as are following it. This means that people are largely declining to follow it in return. And the people powering this account have yet to tweet and respond to anyone — it’s a one-way conversation. The NAACP is not interested in helping you with the webcast or engaging in any form of dialogue with black people online. #FAIL <br />A few people are using the #naacp hashtag but few of them are black bloggers or black online influentials. Certainly no media seems to be using it as far as I can tell. #FAIL <br />The NAACP Facebook Fan Page has over 3000 fans, but the organization has yet to post one thing on its own wall. #FAIL <br />The NAACP Group Page on Facebook has over 4000 members, tons of wall posts — including most from racists and white supremacists. There appears to be no official NAACP spokesperson active there. There was however this poignant and desperate wall post (no response = #FAIL): <br />Duane G. Davis Sr. 1402 Lochner Rd.Apt A Baltimore Md. 21239 Dear Ms. Lisa Madigan Concerning our recent correspondence dated 1-16-09 (08 IG 00094):regarding the issue of my request for your office to investigate my charges of political and judicial miss-conduct does needs to be addressed through your office. We seem to have a failure in our communications. During my illegal incarceration Ms. Shirl Nelson and my family members called your office and informed you that I was being illegally detained. Her phone records and my letters to Mr. Griffin is proof of my attempts to receive Due Process and Equal Protection. The Whistle Blowers Act is designed to Snitch on corrupt public official and bring them in front of the courts to have them held accountable. I have sent you information ever since 3-3-08. And every time I request your help or attention you give me reasons why you can not h</p>
<p>The new NAACP has yet to lead a successful campaign on behalf of African-Americans. Instead, they’ve jumped on board several campaigns already established by other organizations such as Troy Davis (led by Amnesty International), Oscar Grant (led by Color of Change), the New Yorker cover with Michelle and Barack Obama (led by black bloggers and you) are a few that come to mind. Even the Philly pool incident elicited only a statement from the NAACP but no call to action such as you’ve seen here and on other black blogs and videos. Supporting others’ campaigns is a good strategy to repair frayed alliances and create new ones. But it ain’t the same as actual leadership. #FAIL <br />The NAACP recently advertised for a social media specialist but only as a contract worker and only for 6 months. I spoke to someone &#8211; a smart, standup guy &#8211; at Blogging While Brown who had been interested until he realized they weren’t serious. We both had to roll our eyes. #FAIL <br />The NAACP has done zero black blogger outreach (as far as I can tell) for their big convention. Guess they must think we’re going to write about it anyway. Word: we’re less interested than you might think. #FAIL <br />Ben Jealous recently wrote an article on the NAACP blog and published on CNN all about how the NAACP is still “radical” — an concept he borrowed in part from conversation with me. Yet, this same organization who couldn’t manage to acknowledge Blogging While Brown (which was attendedn by folks like WordPress/Automattic, ATT, <a href="http://EbonyJet.com" rel="nofollow">EbonyJet.com</a>, BlogHer, Free Press and many others) did manage to open the New York Stock Exchange on July 9th. No one who can be considered radical is opening the New York Stock Exchange. Ever. Some folks on Wall Street until recently, you might remember, enriched themselves at our expense in the subprime mortgage debacle. The NAACP is officially brought to you by The Man and The Powers That Be.</p>
<p>This is why there is a JackandJillpolitics, super spade, Mirror on America, Black Snob. You can galvanize all these blogs into making a point and having their posters/readers act.</p>
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		<title>By: Conserv1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conserv1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &#039;proven&#039; science do you speak of? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Evolution is not proven science but a theory. Same is true for &#039;global warming.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What do you have to say about the science that tell us that human life is created when the sperm meets the egg, and left to develop will create a viable human being? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What do you say about the science that tells us that stem cells from adults are proven to be more effective in advancing medicine than embryonic stem cells?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#39;proven&#39; science do you speak of? </p>
<p>Evolution is not proven science but a theory. Same is true for &#39;global warming.&#39;</p>
<p>What do you have to say about the science that tell us that human life is created when the sperm meets the egg, and left to develop will create a viable human being? </p>
<p>What do you say about the science that tells us that stem cells from adults are proven to be more effective in advancing medicine than embryonic stem cells?</p>
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		<title>By: Conserv1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conserv1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all. Serious academics and scientists must always question, re-test, re-examine, as you suggest...and they must also be prepared to be proven wrong. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What is so extreme about believing that God is the creator of all life. That God is responsible for creating the conditions that allow life to evolve and adapt?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What is so extreme about believing that man cannot control the forces of nature, or force the planet to adapt and conform to our actions in a way that man chooses? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To be sure, life evolves and adapts. And equally as true is that climate change is a part of the history of our planet. But the source of life and nature, the how and why are still yet to be determined and questions that man will continue to explore long after you and I leave this Earth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Political partisans seek to exploit knowledge and science for their advantage. It is the academic who strays into partisanship that poses a threat to higher education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all. Serious academics and scientists must always question, re-test, re-examine, as you suggest&#8230;and they must also be prepared to be proven wrong. </p>
<p>What is so extreme about believing that God is the creator of all life. That God is responsible for creating the conditions that allow life to evolve and adapt?</p>
<p>What is so extreme about believing that man cannot control the forces of nature, or force the planet to adapt and conform to our actions in a way that man chooses? </p>
<p>To be sure, life evolves and adapts. And equally as true is that climate change is a part of the history of our planet. But the source of life and nature, the how and why are still yet to be determined and questions that man will continue to explore long after you and I leave this Earth.</p>
<p>Political partisans seek to exploit knowledge and science for their advantage. It is the academic who strays into partisanship that poses a threat to higher education.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if religion trumping science is not ignorance..what is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if religion trumping science is not ignorance..what is it?</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated Lisa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated Lisa!</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Clarence, who hates anything to do with race. Who was a definite EEO and AffAct hire/admitee...played the race card HARD during his hearings..when after being asked about LONGDONG SIlver video rentals said:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;this is a high-tech lynching&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;O he knew how to play race politics when it came to his ass, but he won&#039;t lift a finger now, despite having endured the same racism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;can&#039;t stand that man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Clarence, who hates anything to do with race. Who was a definite EEO and AffAct hire/admitee&#8230;played the race card HARD during his hearings..when after being asked about LONGDONG SIlver video rentals said:</p>
<p>&#39;this is a high-tech lynching&#39;</p>
<p>O he knew how to play race politics when it came to his ass, but he won&#39;t lift a finger now, despite having endured the same racism.</p>
<p>can&#39;t stand that man.</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great commenatry, WRB.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Life begins with BREATH.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s my story and I&#039;m sticking to it, until BREATH ceases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great commenatry, WRB.</p>
<p>Life begins with BREATH.</p>
<p>That&#39;s my story and I&#39;m sticking to it, until BREATH ceases.</p>
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		<title>By: Conserv1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conserv1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, however I don&#039;t think it is a &#039;made-up distraction&#039; but a valid topic for discussion and debate. Calling it a &#039;made-up distraction&#039; is in and of it self a statement designed to stifle discussion, proving the point that partisanship can corrupt the elements that are most valued in higher education: critical thinking, constructive criticism, and intellectual exploration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, however I don&#39;t think it is a &#39;made-up distraction&#39; but a valid topic for discussion and debate. Calling it a &#39;made-up distraction&#39; is in and of it self a statement designed to stifle discussion, proving the point that partisanship can corrupt the elements that are most valued in higher education: critical thinking, constructive criticism, and intellectual exploration.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you just hate stereotypes? That is like how they couldn&#039;t handle how unperturbably cool Obama was during the primaries, they wanted to see the hot headed, intemperate NIGGA on display..o how the angry black male would have made their day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Phuck them. Sotomayor knows full well, what they want to see and she is not going to hand a &#039;meltdown&#039; to them based on &#039;hot Latin&#039; blood.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t you just hate stereotypes? That is like how they couldn&#39;t handle how unperturbably cool Obama was during the primaries, they wanted to see the hot headed, intemperate NIGGA on display..o how the angry black male would have made their day.</p>
<p>Phuck them. Sotomayor knows full well, what they want to see and she is not going to hand a &#39;meltdown&#39; to them based on &#39;hot Latin&#39; blood.</p>
<p>ugh!</p>
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