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		<title>By: Onome Oma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onome Oma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an amazing story!</description>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But obviously, it has taken both approaches for us to be successful.  It is not an either or proposition.  Those who already had financial success were not happy without the social success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But obviously, it has taken both approaches for us to be successful.  It is not an either or proposition.  Those who already had financial success were not happy without the social success.</p>
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		<title>By: TyrenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TyrenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please keep on doing what you&#039;re doing. If I&#039;m on point, my daugher won&#039;t need your services, but it&#039;s nice to know you&#039;re there if she does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please keep on doing what you&#39;re doing. If I&#39;m on point, my daugher won&#39;t need your services, but it&#39;s nice to know you&#39;re there if she does.</p>
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		<title>By: morphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Much being discussed here feel in some ways similar to &quot;The Great Debate (W.E.B Dubois vs Booker T. Washington)&quot;.  What appear to be missing is &lt;i&gt;what type of education/knowledge&lt;/i&gt;. I have repeatedly had encounters with the homeless who had degrees and I wondered &quot;what was missing&quot;.   I think somewhere along the way, we, POC, have been mislead about what type of education we need&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Washington said: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Negro intellectual must deal intimately with the white power Structure and cultural apparatus, and the inner realties of the black World &lt;u&gt;at one and the same time&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. But in order to function successfully in this role, he has to be acutely aware of the nature of the American social dynamics and how to monitors the ingredient of class stratification in American society…Therefore the Negro intellectual must learn how one might control such forces.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Much being discussed here feel in some ways similar to &#8220;The Great Debate (W.E.B Dubois vs Booker T. Washington)&#8221;.  What appear to be missing is <i>what type of education/knowledge</i>. I have repeatedly had encounters with the homeless who had degrees and I wondered &#8220;what was missing&#8221;.   I think somewhere along the way, we, POC, have been mislead about what type of education we need</p>
<p>Washington said: <i>&#8220;The Negro intellectual must deal intimately with the white power Structure and cultural apparatus, and the inner realties of the black World <u>at one and the same time</u></i>. But in order to function successfully in this role, he has to be acutely aware of the nature of the American social dynamics and how to monitors the ingredient of class stratification in American society…Therefore the Negro intellectual must learn how one might control such forces.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very poor area. Like I said, just having the basics for a football team is hard enough, building something that would meet the codes and standards was not an option at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very poor area. Like I said, just having the basics for a football team is hard enough, building something that would meet the codes and standards was not an option at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: chris_i_am</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris_i_am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Ruth J Simmons Pres of Brown Univ. A black Woman running an IVY LEAGUE institution said in a 60 minutes interview a few years back&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do not continue your education to get a good job. Continue your education because&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;KNOWLEDGE IS POWER&quot;....PERIOD!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And she ain&#039;t never lied!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Ruth J Simmons Pres of Brown Univ. A black Woman running an IVY LEAGUE institution said in a 60 minutes interview a few years back</p>
<p>Do not continue your education to get a good job. Continue your education because</p>
<p>&#8220;KNOWLEDGE IS POWER&#8221;&#8230;.PERIOD!</p>
<p>And she ain&#39;t never lied!</p>
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		<title>By: Amaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;being penalized, for being successful against the wrong ones.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a bitch.   On the other hand, how much would it have cost to build those on-site locker rooms if all the parents had pitched in instead of waiting for the one in a million success story to do it?  Or was that explicitly not allowed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;being penalized, for being successful against the wrong ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a bitch.   On the other hand, how much would it have cost to build those on-site locker rooms if all the parents had pitched in instead of waiting for the one in a million success story to do it?  Or was that explicitly not allowed?</p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
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		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The survey to 10 random people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blacks are more likely to be arrested. For the same crime, if a case goes to trial - more likely to be convicted, more likely to receive a sentence, more likely to receive a harsher penalty. So forth and so on. Plus, the war on drugs has been waged predominantly against people of color. For example, in NYC, black people are randomly stopped all the time, while in communities around NYU, white student get high with impunity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PLUS, the prison industrial complex . . . the system is the problem, not the black community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The survey to 10 random people.</p>
<p>Blacks are more likely to be arrested. For the same crime, if a case goes to trial &#8211; more likely to be convicted, more likely to receive a sentence, more likely to receive a harsher penalty. So forth and so on. Plus, the war on drugs has been waged predominantly against people of color. For example, in NYC, black people are randomly stopped all the time, while in communities around NYU, white student get high with impunity.</p>
<p>PLUS, the prison industrial complex . . . the system is the problem, not the black community.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are they afraid of and who are we protecting them from?  Black or white kids?</description>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WhiteRose - that is the thing.  Who puts those images of blackness on tv?  Sometimes I think we create the stereotype, own it, portray it, others see it and throws it back at us. i.e. the Tyler Perry sitcoms that I refuse to watch.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The President is a great case and point.  He does not fit any of these stereotypes.  He does not accept it.  His family is a melting pot of diversity but yet he stands as &quot;himself&quot;.  So folks are having major problems trying to categorize him.  He reflects intelligence, calm, seriousness, competence etc.  so .  . . America doesn&#039;t know what to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WhiteRose &#8211; that is the thing.  Who puts those images of blackness on tv?  Sometimes I think we create the stereotype, own it, portray it, others see it and throws it back at us. i.e. the Tyler Perry sitcoms that I refuse to watch.</p>
<p>The President is a great case and point.  He does not fit any of these stereotypes.  He does not accept it.  His family is a melting pot of diversity but yet he stands as &#8220;himself&#8221;.  So folks are having major problems trying to categorize him.  He reflects intelligence, calm, seriousness, competence etc.  so .  . . America doesn&#39;t know what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol.  You are honest.  :-) The results -- Not one person knew anything about that speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.  You are honest.  :-) The results &#8212; Not one person knew anything about that speech.</p>
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		<title>By: ch555x</title>
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		<dc:creator>ch555x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting observation.</description>
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		<title>By: ch555x</title>
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		<dc:creator>ch555x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose if we could repeat that across the board, we needn&#039;t worry about THEM changing rules every so often to keep it &quot;fair&quot;...LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose if we could repeat that across the board, we needn&#39;t worry about THEM changing rules every so often to keep it &#8220;fair&#8221;&#8230;LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;WRB, I don&#039;t subscribe to the &quot;I&#039;ve got mine, get your own the best way you can belief&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OK, but I do not believe that having the expectation that those who incur far less discrimination being able to EARN there own is &#039;get your own best you can&#039; in any sense. It is a real notion, that if social discrimination was the problem, and I succeed with those odds, then surely you too with HARD WORK can achieve EVEN MORE.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many many blacks reach back and by far the black church stands at the top of that list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Now, getting back to my point about how financially affluent CRM leaders left poor black men, women and children to fend for themselves&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While that may be your belief, there are no facts to support it. It is a cop-out.  A statement of victimhood, to rail against successful blacks who have NOT sought in anyway not to help those who need help, Rather, there are numerous instances of affluent blacks donating thousands of dollars to the black community.  So, to assert such a sweeping generalization is unfounded.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;BTW, I NEVER stated or implied that MLK was dissing affluent black people.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, I wasn&#039;t saying such, not sure how you drew that assessment.  But&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I believe the least they could&#039;ve done was to follow Dr. King&#039;s lead and fight for economic equality for ALL black people.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hmmm, what does this entail to you? The UrbanLeague does precisely this. Where do you come by your assertion that CRM leaders failed to fight for economic equality? This is America, it is capitalistic..it is dog eat dog. No one gives anyone a hand up economically. What America has done is give a handup to opportunity for education and jobs. EEOC does that and colleges do that..what are you looking for?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I NEVER stated or implied that MLK was dissing affluent black people. Rather, he understood that true equality for black people included social equality AND economic power.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not sure how you came to your assessment about &#039;dissing&#039; I certainly did not imply that. MLK, was not focused on economic parity. Your quote was SUBSEQUENT to the success of the civil rights movement. MLK did  fight for economic parity  which is why he went to Mephis, and was assassinated, he was there to support their strike, BUT economic parity was not the central focus of the CRM, that was following SOCIAL Justice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I beg to differ that MLK was following Booker T&#039;s philosophy, for Booker T sought to ensure white people that black people were not seeking to rock the boat and disrupt their white supremacy&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I disagree with your view. I can certainly see how BookerT would ESPOUSE that KNOWING that economic parity WOULD dismantle their white supremacy. What better way to deceive them?  You want us to be hard working..well let us compete in the economic marketplace fairly, BookerT KNEW we would excell and that all that mattered in a capitalistic society was money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BookerT wanted blacks to have economic parity because he knew that in the end, that was all that mattered in a capitalistic society.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For instance, one of the biggest incongruities in black America is that we cannot support our politicians economically to ensure the enactment of our politics. Most groups in America achieve economic prowess FIRST. Only Black Americans have achieved politic office and  social prominence without the FINANCEs or back our policies, which is why we struggle mightily. We can&#039;t BUY politicians. Jews, Cubans,Irish and Italians can. Those groups only came to political power AFTER their ethnic groups had the money to sustain a politician.  WE alone are unique in not being able to support our black politicians and make them beholden to the black community.  Which is WHY we struggle.  Not at all because of CRM leaders, but because of MONEY.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In short I think the meme that CRM leaders deserted blacks with less monetary means paints a very broad brush that is not substantiated by the political reality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;AGAIN&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What say you Sepia, which would you have chosen in MLK&#039;s time? Social or economic discrimination to fight against? I presume you are familiar with the GREAT DEBATES, which side would you have chose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WRB, I don&#39;t subscribe to the &#8220;I&#39;ve got mine, get your own the best way you can belief&#8221;.</p>
<p>OK, but I do not believe that having the expectation that those who incur far less discrimination being able to EARN there own is &#39;get your own best you can&#39; in any sense. It is a real notion, that if social discrimination was the problem, and I succeed with those odds, then surely you too with HARD WORK can achieve EVEN MORE.  </p>
<p>Many many blacks reach back and by far the black church stands at the top of that list.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, getting back to my point about how financially affluent CRM leaders left poor black men, women and children to fend for themselves&#8221;</p>
<p>While that may be your belief, there are no facts to support it. It is a cop-out.  A statement of victimhood, to rail against successful blacks who have NOT sought in anyway not to help those who need help, Rather, there are numerous instances of affluent blacks donating thousands of dollars to the black community.  So, to assert such a sweeping generalization is unfounded.</p>
<p>&#8220;BTW, I NEVER stated or implied that MLK was dissing affluent black people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I wasn&#39;t saying such, not sure how you drew that assessment.  But</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe the least they could&#39;ve done was to follow Dr. King&#39;s lead and fight for economic equality for ALL black people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm, what does this entail to you? The UrbanLeague does precisely this. Where do you come by your assertion that CRM leaders failed to fight for economic equality? This is America, it is capitalistic..it is dog eat dog. No one gives anyone a hand up economically. What America has done is give a handup to opportunity for education and jobs. EEOC does that and colleges do that..what are you looking for?</p>
<p>&#8220;I NEVER stated or implied that MLK was dissing affluent black people. Rather, he understood that true equality for black people included social equality AND economic power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure how you came to your assessment about &#39;dissing&#39; I certainly did not imply that. MLK, was not focused on economic parity. Your quote was SUBSEQUENT to the success of the civil rights movement. MLK did  fight for economic parity  which is why he went to Mephis, and was assassinated, he was there to support their strike, BUT economic parity was not the central focus of the CRM, that was following SOCIAL Justice.</p>
<p>&#8220;I beg to differ that MLK was following Booker T&#39;s philosophy, for Booker T sought to ensure white people that black people were not seeking to rock the boat and disrupt their white supremacy&#8221;</p>
<p>While I disagree with your view. I can certainly see how BookerT would ESPOUSE that KNOWING that economic parity WOULD dismantle their white supremacy. What better way to deceive them?  You want us to be hard working..well let us compete in the economic marketplace fairly, BookerT KNEW we would excell and that all that mattered in a capitalistic society was money.</p>
<p>BookerT wanted blacks to have economic parity because he knew that in the end, that was all that mattered in a capitalistic society.</p>
<p>For instance, one of the biggest incongruities in black America is that we cannot support our politicians economically to ensure the enactment of our politics. Most groups in America achieve economic prowess FIRST. Only Black Americans have achieved politic office and  social prominence without the FINANCEs or back our policies, which is why we struggle mightily. We can&#39;t BUY politicians. Jews, Cubans,Irish and Italians can. Those groups only came to political power AFTER their ethnic groups had the money to sustain a politician.  WE alone are unique in not being able to support our black politicians and make them beholden to the black community.  Which is WHY we struggle.  Not at all because of CRM leaders, but because of MONEY.</p>
<p>In short I think the meme that CRM leaders deserted blacks with less monetary means paints a very broad brush that is not substantiated by the political reality.</p>
<p>AGAIN</p>
<p>What say you Sepia, which would you have chosen in MLK&#39;s time? Social or economic discrimination to fight against? I presume you are familiar with the GREAT DEBATES, which side would you have chose?</p>
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		<title>By: McDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>McDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s preaching now? If you&#039;re not seeking to be understood, you&#039;re certainly not seeking to understand, at least not from the kids point of view. Here you have kids being intimidated by bullies in school, other young thugs after school and are often kept in their houses by parents; and we can think of is to tell them what they need to do. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Listen. Find out specifically what&#039;s going on, and ask the kids what he or she think needs to happen and how you can help them. Believe it or not, they&#039;re not stupid and they&#039;ll surprise with their insights. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know you want them to get an education, but protect them first. Form a group of men to work in shifts to wait at the bus stop; volunteer in schools and watch kids in the bathrooms, around corners, during recess and after school. Form a group to take kids to museums, bowling, to events they want to see and, of course, pizza afterwards. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most kids just want to go to school, but they are afraid of their peers, inside and outside of school. If the kids tell on other kids, they are labeled rats which puts them in a more fearful position. The girls are afraid men of males in the home and outside of it. They have to come way before dark. And sometimes mom takes up with men who are more interested in their daughter than the mom. The biggest thing happening with black kids in inner-cities is fear; and the extent you harp on education and neglect that fact, it&#039;s to that very extent they will turn you off and go to someone they think might protect them such as a gang. And you&#039;ll still be preaching. I&#039;m done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The main thing about the fear-- and what makes it different from when we were growing up-- is the fact that guns are involved and kids are quite willing to use them. So all the kids know someone who has been shot or killed. Parents, who have to work, don&#039;t know about it. Teachers, who usually don&#039;t live in the community, don&#039;t know about it and don&#039;t have time to deal with it anyway.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes kids want to talk about things with us but oftentimes we sidetrack them with our sermons and autobiographies. And we don&#039;t even realize it. I wish you could hear this: kids need us to listen and believe that they mean well. They need us to cool it with the quick solutions and just be with them as they tell their autobiography. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Give yourself a test: get with a kid and see if you can go 5 minutes without preaching but asking follow-up questions...we can&#039;t talk to kids like our ministers talk to us. Preaching is their job. As parents and community people, our job is to try and understand and help our kids survive and thrive in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#39;s preaching now? If you&#39;re not seeking to be understood, you&#39;re certainly not seeking to understand, at least not from the kids point of view. Here you have kids being intimidated by bullies in school, other young thugs after school and are often kept in their houses by parents; and we can think of is to tell them what they need to do. </p>
<p>Listen. Find out specifically what&#39;s going on, and ask the kids what he or she think needs to happen and how you can help them. Believe it or not, they&#39;re not stupid and they&#39;ll surprise with their insights. </p>
<p>I know you want them to get an education, but protect them first. Form a group of men to work in shifts to wait at the bus stop; volunteer in schools and watch kids in the bathrooms, around corners, during recess and after school. Form a group to take kids to museums, bowling, to events they want to see and, of course, pizza afterwards. </p>
<p>Most kids just want to go to school, but they are afraid of their peers, inside and outside of school. If the kids tell on other kids, they are labeled rats which puts them in a more fearful position. The girls are afraid men of males in the home and outside of it. They have to come way before dark. And sometimes mom takes up with men who are more interested in their daughter than the mom. The biggest thing happening with black kids in inner-cities is fear; and the extent you harp on education and neglect that fact, it&#39;s to that very extent they will turn you off and go to someone they think might protect them such as a gang. And you&#39;ll still be preaching. I&#39;m done.</p>
<p>The main thing about the fear&#8211; and what makes it different from when we were growing up&#8211; is the fact that guns are involved and kids are quite willing to use them. So all the kids know someone who has been shot or killed. Parents, who have to work, don&#39;t know about it. Teachers, who usually don&#39;t live in the community, don&#39;t know about it and don&#39;t have time to deal with it anyway.</p>
<p>Sometimes kids want to talk about things with us but oftentimes we sidetrack them with our sermons and autobiographies. And we don&#39;t even realize it. I wish you could hear this: kids need us to listen and believe that they mean well. They need us to cool it with the quick solutions and just be with them as they tell their autobiography. </p>
<p>Give yourself a test: get with a kid and see if you can go 5 minutes without preaching but asking follow-up questions&#8230;we can&#39;t talk to kids like our ministers talk to us. Preaching is their job. As parents and community people, our job is to try and understand and help our kids survive and thrive in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t subscribe to the &quot;I&#039;ve got mine, get your own the best way you can belief&quot;. I think that type of thinking is exactly why our community is so far behind in the 21st century.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank You!  I concur 100%!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#39;t subscribe to the &#8220;I&#39;ve got mine, get your own the best way you can belief&#8221;. I think that type of thinking is exactly why our community is so far behind in the 21st century.</i></p>
<p>Thank You!  I concur 100%!</p>
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		<title>By: Sepia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sepia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WRB, I don&#039;t subscribe to the &quot;I&#039;ve got mine, get your own the best way you can belief&quot;. I think that type of thinking is exactly why our community is so far behind in the 21st century. If you look at immigrant groups, once they attain a certain amount of success, they reach back to their brothers and sisters who need a hand. They educate them on how to work the system to their best advantage. That&#039;s not giving someone a hand up, that&#039;s giving someone a hand. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Now, getting back to my point about how financially affluent CRM leaders left poor black men, women and children to fend for themselves..... Back then, they realized that they need the &quot;po&#039; folk&quot; in order to get their social equality. So, I believe the least they could&#039;ve done was to follow Dr. King&#039;s lead and fight for economic equality for ALL black people. Anything less than that was/is nothing more than affluent blacks using poor blacks to achieve their goals thus showing they are no better than the white racist establishment. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, I NEVER stated or implied that MLK was dissing affluent black people. Rather, he understood that true equality for black people included social equality AND economic power. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I beg to differ that MLK was following Booker T&#039;s philosophy, for Booker T sought to ensure white people that black people were not seeking to rock the boat and disrupt their white supremacy. MLK, on the other hand, sought to turn the boat over, which is why he was assassinated. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;In short, again, the ONLY reason those who had prevailed economically supported the civil rights movement, is because that was the remaining barrier to success for THEM in America, given that they had achieved already finaniclly.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which was exactly my point: Sadly, most of the affluent black CRM leaders were out for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRB, I don&#39;t subscribe to the &#8220;I&#39;ve got mine, get your own the best way you can belief&#8221;. I think that type of thinking is exactly why our community is so far behind in the 21st century. If you look at immigrant groups, once they attain a certain amount of success, they reach back to their brothers and sisters who need a hand. They educate them on how to work the system to their best advantage. That&#39;s not giving someone a hand up, that&#39;s giving someone a hand. </p>
<p>Now, getting back to my point about how financially affluent CRM leaders left poor black men, women and children to fend for themselves&#8230;.. Back then, they realized that they need the &#8220;po&#39; folk&#8221; in order to get their social equality. So, I believe the least they could&#39;ve done was to follow Dr. King&#39;s lead and fight for economic equality for ALL black people. Anything less than that was/is nothing more than affluent blacks using poor blacks to achieve their goals thus showing they are no better than the white racist establishment. </p>
<p>BTW, I NEVER stated or implied that MLK was dissing affluent black people. Rather, he understood that true equality for black people included social equality AND economic power. </p>
<p>I beg to differ that MLK was following Booker T&#39;s philosophy, for Booker T sought to ensure white people that black people were not seeking to rock the boat and disrupt their white supremacy. MLK, on the other hand, sought to turn the boat over, which is why he was assassinated. </p>
<p><i>In short, again, the ONLY reason those who had prevailed economically supported the civil rights movement, is because that was the remaining barrier to success for THEM in America, given that they had achieved already finaniclly.</i></p>
<p>Which was exactly my point: Sadly, most of the affluent black CRM leaders were out for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: morphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, 15 yo Shaquanda Cotton (Paris, TX) sent to prison for 7 years about an incident with hall monitor. It took nationwide action to get her out of prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, 15 yo Shaquanda Cotton (Paris, TX) sent to prison for 7 years about an incident with hall monitor. It took nationwide action to get her out of prison.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO. I loathe zero tolerance. It is a complete abdication of adult responsiblity,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO. I loathe zero tolerance. It is a complete abdication of adult responsiblity,</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OMG!!! that is IT. All these years and I missed that simple truth.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes. When you buy into racism you buy into being a victim. If you believe you are a victim, then you are defeated from jump. You CAN&#039;t win.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our parents NEVA ALLOWED that. They only talked about racism, in the sense of your personal experience, when you WERe doing your BEST and not getting ahead!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We were never victims. We were casualties or prejudice!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not VICTIMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OMG!!! that is IT. All these years and I missed that simple truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. When you buy into racism you buy into being a victim. If you believe you are a victim, then you are defeated from jump. You CAN&#39;t win.  </p>
<p>Our parents NEVA ALLOWED that. They only talked about racism, in the sense of your personal experience, when you WERe doing your BEST and not getting ahead!  </p>
<p>We were never victims. We were casualties or prejudice!!</p>
<p>Not VICTIMS.</p>
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