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	<description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description>
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		<title>By: MoObama</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243863</link>
		<dc:creator>MoObama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It kills me to see the MSM pundits bring up the issue of, “what are your Black leaders doing for you lately,” like they care.  They want to drum up this dialogue in the hopes of turning Blacks against Obama and giving Whites an excuse to change their vote in 2012; the discussion will drift into the all important question, Is Obama the Black people’s president or is he for all Americans?  I am waiting for them to take on Pat BuKKKanan. Ask him what he is doing for White people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It kills me to see the MSM pundits bring up the issue of, “what are your Black leaders doing for you lately,” like they care.  They want to drum up this dialogue in the hopes of turning Blacks against Obama and giving Whites an excuse to change their vote in 2012; the discussion will drift into the all important question, Is Obama the Black people’s president or is he for all Americans?  I am waiting for them to take on Pat BuKKKanan. Ask him what he is doing for White people.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243802</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about?  and I suggest you watch your tone because just like you I can choose to be polite or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about?  and I suggest you watch your tone because just like you I can choose to be polite or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243195</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rotflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rotflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243183</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You &amp; Lilytiger both...to the &quot;bad chair&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*dead*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You &#038; Lilytiger both&#8230;to the &#8220;bad chair&#8221;</p>
<p>*dead*</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243115</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFLMAO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFLMAO</p>
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		<title>By: Lilytiger</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243094</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilytiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNnDCOK_gw&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNnDCOK_gw&amp;feat...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah I&#039;m tawkin to you...LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNnDCOK_gw&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNnDCOK_gw&#038;feat.." rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNnDCOK_gw&#038;feat..</a>.<br />Yeah I&#39;m tawkin to you&#8230;LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243065</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You talking to me Lilytiger??&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(i couldnt resist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talking to me Lilytiger??</p>
<p>(i couldnt resist)</p>
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		<title>By: Lilytiger</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243034</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilytiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miranda...heh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miranda&#8230;heh!</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-243018</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all of these replies and looking at the various comments on these boards...you really don&#039;t get the format when the comment is a RESPONSE TO YOURS??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all of these replies and looking at the various comments on these boards&#8230;you really don&#39;t get the format when the comment is a RESPONSE TO YOURS??</p>
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		<title>By: maryellen</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242990</link>
		<dc:creator>maryellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Val, I  don&#039;t care WHO responds to my post. But I don&#039;t know if you are addressing me unless you use my name, Maryellen. And, I think it is rude of you to not address me by name. And why do you use &quot;we&quot;? Are you the one responsible for all of the postings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val, I  don&#39;t care WHO responds to my post. But I don&#39;t know if you are addressing me unless you use my name, Maryellen. And, I think it is rude of you to not address me by name. And why do you use &#8220;we&#8221;? Are you the one responsible for all of the postings?</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242940</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louder, Town! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Say it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louder, Town! </p>
<p>Say it!</p>
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		<title>By: maryellen</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242887</link>
		<dc:creator>maryellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would probably say the same thing you would say: discrimination at work. I am in total agreement that this motive is as work, more times than not. I am saying that getting an education is the key to fighting some of this discrimination, and that we, as blacks, have given up on getting a good education. Some of the reasons that we have given up on education is &quot;it is too hard&quot; or &quot;it won&#039;t matter anyway if I do get an education&quot;, or &quot;I don&#039;t want to flip burgers for a living&quot; - when you are not qualified to do anything else. That&#039;s what I am saying and standing behind it. We can not WAIT for someone to do anything for us. That&#039;s the easy way out. Take responsibility; and that is what our President is saying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would probably say the same thing you would say: discrimination at work. I am in total agreement that this motive is as work, more times than not. I am saying that getting an education is the key to fighting some of this discrimination, and that we, as blacks, have given up on getting a good education. Some of the reasons that we have given up on education is &#8220;it is too hard&#8221; or &#8220;it won&#39;t matter anyway if I do get an education&#8221;, or &#8220;I don&#39;t want to flip burgers for a living&#8221; &#8211; when you are not qualified to do anything else. That&#39;s what I am saying and standing behind it. We can not WAIT for someone to do anything for us. That&#39;s the easy way out. Take responsibility; and that is what our President is saying!</p>
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		<title>By: maryellen</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242871</link>
		<dc:creator>maryellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice58, were you directing your inquiry to me, Maryellen? It is difficult to tell if you don&#039;t address me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice58, were you directing your inquiry to me, Maryellen? It is difficult to tell if you don&#39;t address me.</p>
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		<title>By: Myth</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242859</link>
		<dc:creator>Myth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! Corporations are the pimps! Guests are the prostitutues and Moderators are the Johns! ROTF!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Corporations are the pimps! Guests are the prostitutues and Moderators are the Johns! ROTF!</p>
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		<title>By: No1KState</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242798</link>
		<dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pro! Haven&#039;t been over in a while. Just leaving a personal greeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pro! Haven&#39;t been over in a while. Just leaving a personal greeting.</p>
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		<title>By: maryellen</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242790</link>
		<dc:creator>maryellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morphus, I did not say that the excuse to discriminate will automatically go away if people of color got an education. I said THIS WOULD NO LONGER BE AN EXCUSE THAT THEY COULD USE. Another one maybe, BUT NOT THIS ONE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morphus, I did not say that the excuse to discriminate will automatically go away if people of color got an education. I said THIS WOULD NO LONGER BE AN EXCUSE THAT THEY COULD USE. Another one maybe, BUT NOT THIS ONE.</p>
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		<title>By: morphus</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242780</link>
		<dc:creator>morphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maryellen: I don&#039;t know why you insist that the excuse to discriminate will automagically go away if POC had education. That is simply not true. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since Regun, jobs in the U.S. have been disappearing via: right-sizing, downsizing, outsourcing, HB1-visas, business illegal immigration. etc.  In addition, jobs that once required a HS diploma now demands a bachelor degree.  Was there actually a change in skill requirements for many of these jobs that now demands degrees? Many say no.  Jobs that POC will not be hire for in the private sector they perform exceedingly well w/o a college degree  while they are in prison. Go figure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The jobless rate for POC have consistently been twice that of non-POC and again, it is NOT because of education. As rikyrah indicated below, a white felon will get a job faster than a POC with no criminal record and a degree.  This reality is acknowledged and documented. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What must be &quot;tackled&quot; is institutional disparities in hiring practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maryellen: I don&#39;t know why you insist that the excuse to discriminate will automagically go away if POC had education. That is simply not true. </p>
<p>Since Regun, jobs in the U.S. have been disappearing via: right-sizing, downsizing, outsourcing, HB1-visas, business illegal immigration. etc.  In addition, jobs that once required a HS diploma now demands a bachelor degree.  Was there actually a change in skill requirements for many of these jobs that now demands degrees? Many say no.  Jobs that POC will not be hire for in the private sector they perform exceedingly well w/o a college degree  while they are in prison. Go figure.</p>
<p>The jobless rate for POC have consistently been twice that of non-POC and again, it is NOT because of education. As rikyrah indicated below, a white felon will get a job faster than a POC with no criminal record and a degree.  This reality is acknowledged and documented. </p>
<p>What must be &#8220;tackled&#8221; is institutional disparities in hiring practices.</p>
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		<title>By: maryellen</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/sunday-open-thread-59/comment-page-3/#comment-242766</link>
		<dc:creator>maryellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to womanistmusings, please feel free to share the rest of your thoughts; it should not matter because it is Sunday (excuse?) And of course, you have every right to speak your mind. I asked what did you think qualfied you to state what the PRESIDENT SHOULD DO! It is just your opinion, like everyone else, so it doesn&#039;t hold any more weight as any one else. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And you use words such as &quot;allowed&quot; and &quot;running to get away from it&quot;. Running to get away from WHAT?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blacks are RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES, just like every other HUMAN BEING. I have asked Blacks to &quot;rise above&quot; as you state (or as I say, show&#039; em instead of telling &#039;em,) for over 50 years and will continue. I believe in doing, not &quot;trying to.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, why do you think that our President should speak to &quot;whiteness&quot; and what should he say? Don&#039;t you think that all of us, including those who are &quot;white&quot; know the score? I do. In addition, our President has to &quot;play the middle&quot;; the &quot;middle&quot; is what elected him. Your vote, [IF you voted for President Obama] like mine, was only counted ONCE, so he needed more than our TWO votes to win the election.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again as noted, and unfortunately for many others like you, it is &quot;always someone else&#039;s fault&quot;. Take responsibility, as much as in YOUR POWER, for yourself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, I sense that a lot Black people are disappointed because they feel that our President has not listened to them. I disagree with that assessment. He has also listened to others, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to womanistmusings, please feel free to share the rest of your thoughts; it should not matter because it is Sunday (excuse?) And of course, you have every right to speak your mind. I asked what did you think qualfied you to state what the PRESIDENT SHOULD DO! It is just your opinion, like everyone else, so it doesn&#39;t hold any more weight as any one else. </p>
<p>And you use words such as &#8220;allowed&#8221; and &#8220;running to get away from it&#8221;. Running to get away from WHAT?</p>
<p>Blacks are RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES, just like every other HUMAN BEING. I have asked Blacks to &#8220;rise above&#8221; as you state (or as I say, show&#39; em instead of telling &#39;em,) for over 50 years and will continue. I believe in doing, not &#8220;trying to.</p>
<p>Also, why do you think that our President should speak to &#8220;whiteness&#8221; and what should he say? Don&#39;t you think that all of us, including those who are &#8220;white&#8221; know the score? I do. In addition, our President has to &#8220;play the middle&#8221;; the &#8220;middle&#8221; is what elected him. Your vote, [IF you voted for President Obama] like mine, was only counted ONCE, so he needed more than our TWO votes to win the election.</p>
<p>Again as noted, and unfortunately for many others like you, it is &#8220;always someone else&#39;s fault&#8221;. Take responsibility, as much as in YOUR POWER, for yourself.</p>
<p>Finally, I sense that a lot Black people are disappointed because they feel that our President has not listened to them. I disagree with that assessment. He has also listened to others, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you get that?  I got that.  Had to remind myself several times.  Today is Sunday . . . Today is Sunday . . .Today is Sunday . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you get that?  I got that.  Had to remind myself several times.  Today is Sunday . . . Today is Sunday . . .Today is Sunday . . . .</p>
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