Jack & Jill Politics

"My parents would kick God's ass if God messed w/ me. I am not standing on that corner because of them."


I'm not a christian and I don't believe in a christian god. But I believe in the universal spiritual qualities of empathy, compassion and humility. As a young
lawyer I worked pro bono on a case with a death row row inmate. We were the same age, and you know what, we looked somewhat alike. He got into some fucked up mess with his cousin. I could have gotten into the same fucked up mess with my cousin. That is what the saying means to me. It's about acknowledgement, humility and respect. And that brother knew he could call me any time, any day or night. Because except for the grace of god there goes I.

And I am not a christian.

I 100% concur with this statement:

"But I believe in the universal spiritual qualities of empathy, compassion and humility.

I really didn't understand the quote. It means that the quoter had very protective parents? I have 2 children and have had hundreds of students. We can't pick our kids or their personalities. Some people choose the school of hard knocks. Society now is waay more permissive than it was when I was growing up. When I got out of line my parents got violent. They also had a line which I dared not cross. My son is a tough customer and I have to literally make him do things (he is 14). I ride him like a rodeo bull and he knows I have a line which he dare not cross. I am doing my best for him, and I pray he doesn't get into any foolishness....I don't think it can't happen.

"I really didn't understand the quote. It means that the quoter had very protective parents? "

Yes. It means if God's grace did not protect him..they would. His parents kept him from going astray, and that was powerful as God's grace in his mind, he KNEW what time it was, at home!

Thank you for the clarification.

I hope all is well with the lot of you. I was trying to wait for the evening open thread.

O is a great orator. I really wish he would go visit some prisons. I'm sure that would draw intense criticism, but those people really need to be preached to (and would be a captive audience-pun intended). I hate the assumed southern cadence that politicians (including O) use with Black & southern audiences. It's just so fake. Just speak like you normally speak and be through.


I agree with fixing the schools but the teacher bashing has got to go. If things are so bad, THEY really need to home school. I defy you to produce a Dr., lawyer or any profession without a teacher in that person's history. The thieving investment bankers that are robbing the country blind as I write these words receive the golden parachutes, but of course it is not the PINK GHETTO that is public school education. In TX we don't have any job security like I hear pundits who have never taught in a poor public school complaining about. I have to get 30 (relevant) hours a year to keep my certification, which I have to renew every 5 years. Being a descendant of people who learned to read and write with dirt and stick, I don't have a lot of tolerance for a lack of effort or excellence. Education must be pursued-period end of sentence. We have a continuous stream of immigrants who don't have any problems with the school or with the system. Not only will they acquire the language, they will graduate at the top of the class without requiring that the teacher dress up like Big Bird and entertain them. The students come to school with PSP's, Ipods, and cell phones, but won't bring a pencil. You have to watch them like hawks to keep them from text messaging and/or listening to music during instruction time. When you confiscate the phone, be prepared to be cussed out by the parent who has to pay $15 to retrieve the phone. I'm sorry for the rant, but this is a very hard job. Education is there for all who want it. There are certain segments (immigrants) who are able to benefit and they sit in the same class as the non-immigrant. One wants the education and one does not. There is great pressure on us to pass students even if they refuse to do any work. They make us pass them, then we have to have a meeting about why so many students are passing but not passing the standardized tests. We have before school, after school and summer school tutorials with free food and free transportation. We have ice cream parties, pop corn parties, computer & other electronic give aways, free dress days, bar-b-ques, pizza parties, movie, bowling roller skating and Mcdonald's coupons, all in attempts to get kids to learn. We beg, bribe, threaten, cajole, give alternative assignments....People who don't care don't jump through all these hoops.

Hey guys,

Rachel grew a pair with Pat Buchanan tonight.

Justice58 - don't you think you, Miranda, rikyrah, Jill, CPl - any of us, could have brought more than Rachel brought tonight?

She didn't win that debate because she allowed him to not answer the questions she asked. He played Eugene Robinson out with the same thing. This is Chris Matthew gets him to cave.

Ask him the yes or no questions and push, push, push. She needs to white man handle him.

She pissed me off when she said twice that he doesn't really mean what he was saying... I was like oh hell yes he does!

She could have done better, but I respect her for bringing him on and talking about his foolishness.

White men built this country and apparently Blacks didn't, according to Pat. That's CRAZY.

Why Yes! I don't doubt that at all.

Its bout time somebody did.

Do you think so? Maybe it's me but I thought Rachel was very weak.

I thought she made her case in a very polite way, and understands that she is not going to get him to concede or even to pretend to understand to voice or reason. She again exposed him as the die hard racist that he is. We will just have to wait for Pat and others of his ilk to die off. Remember also that he is her co-worker. If I have written MSNBC once, I've written them 10 times, each time demanding that Pat Bukkkanan be fired. He's still there, so he must have plenty of support. I think he is just as bad as Imus, and he is still standing. He has been there longer than Rachel, so he must be in good with someone.

Yes,

She's went after Pat Buchanan much better than I've ever seen. I give her credit for that. She and Keith both have been calling out others but ignore Pat's racism. Tonight, she took a step. Towards the end, it got heated.

She took a step but she had nothing to say. Is taking a step enough?

Not nearly enough given how Pat Buchanan's mind work. But she did call him out, Alexander. Pat couldn't get a word in for awhile there. Usually it's the other way around.

But no that's not nearly enough. Maybe Keith can give a special comment? We shall see.

Rachel was not prepared. Justice58, you could have busted him, laid him to waste. That's all I'm saying.

I agree; I was surprised that she came unprepared. If you are going to debate Pat (the KKK) Buchanan you need to come armed with facts. She did not address Sotomayor graduating suma cum laude from Princeton. She let Pat lay affirmative action on the judge inferring her success given not earned. She was not able to Intelligently explain affirmative action. Moreover, she missed an opportunity to throw a curve ball at Pat for his support of Clarence Thomas who never sat on the bench but he thinks he is qualified.

There is more to this firefighter story than we know. He uses this to spew his hate and flame the fires of "white oppression". I saw the fireman reading his statement before Congress yesterday, gliding his finger from word to word like a second grader. Who knows, maybe the Black firemen didn’t fail the test after all.

I saw the fireman reading his statement before Congress yesterday, gliding his finger from word to word like a second grader.

Thank you! He looked liked needed to go straight to a remedial reading class. If he was black, the Pat BuKKKlanan's of the world would've said that he was an affirmative action candidate.

I mentioned Ricci the finger reader yesterday. He's dyslexic and the GOP ate that up.

They wanted him to look pathetic, like a victim of the mean Latina's discrimination.

And we all know damn well Ricci didn't write one word of what he was finger reading, he nor Vargas.

Yet Ricci stated firemen had to have the book knowledge to know the rules of the job, experience in the field was not enough.

Apparently he studied and was tutored endlessly so he could pass the test.

That makes him real special because none of the black fireman passed the test.

Ah, well...now I guess I actually have to watch it, damn.

Aw man I missed it.

B-Serious just posted the speech.

In both speeches today, Obama fired up his base again!

Zell Miller says President Obama should be held down with Gorilla glue!

What is wrong with these people? And he's only been president for 6 months lord?

He could have conveyed a non-racial message by saying 'crazy glue' or 'super glue'. I have never heard of 'gorilla glue'.

I have. Its some industrial strength stuff that I think is sold in Home Depot and Lowe's - or other hardware stores. I guess regular ole crazy glue wouldnt work on the beast man Obama....he'd beat his chest and tear himself from the chair, so gotta use that King Kong glue.

yes i heard of it also
but he ain't slick
old dirty bastard

Me either.

I see the racist.

Is ole Zell off his meds again?

Pure f^^^ery!

he crazy as hell

I can't stand Lou Dobbs with his false-tooth lookin' self!

But they're nice and white!

I REALLY hate listening to Tweety talking about race, something about the way he does it just irks the hell out of me. I know he means well and he just wants to understand, but it annoys me. Laurence O'Donnell didn't bug me when he was talking about race. (BTW, is it just me, or does it look like he's been crying?)

this Stephen Smith guy needs to shut the hell up.

i caught the last part of his speech and thought I was watching a sermon from Greater Missionary Baptist Church of our Father in Christ. it was fire!!!!

A good sermon!

Michele Bernard gets no points for her analysis of Obama's speech. This entire segment with her and Steven A. Smith is cringe worthy, but then what can you expect from Tweety.

I was worried about this speech. I was hoping he wouldn't jump in his tough love mode. Let's face it, blacks are his most loyal constituency. He's got to stroke us too, just like he strokes other segments of his support. Build us up, Mr. President, we get beat up and misrepresented so much. There's a time and PLACE for everything, including much-needed constructive criticism and self reflection. From what I saw, he handled this very well.

I want someone to admit that is not by the grace of god I am not like these idle yung men standing on the corner of Harlem or Sioux City Iowa. God my ass.
My parents would kick God's ass if God messed w/ me. I am not standing on that corner because of them.

Co-sign RobM.

I think that is what Obama was getting at. I lived in the "ghetto" for most of my life until high school graduation. The reason why I did not get pregnant at 15, the reason why I didn't turn to drugs, the reason why, I graduated from high school and college (2 degrees), is all due to the support of a good and loving mother, family, and teachers.

That is the real tragedy in many young AA lives. That's what I'm trying to do for my sister too.

lamh32, the love and support you give to your sister is soo precious. I know she can't help but become just as successful as you.

Overall a pretty good speech, I will admit I tuned out when he was talking policy because I'd heard it all before. Looks like he learned his "lesson" (for lack of a better word) from that Father's Day Speech.

It was nice to hear him talk about education so much, maybe if he keeps talking about it, it will finally sink in. But while we are encouraging our Black Youth to get higher education, we need to make that higher education AFFORDABLE. Not everyone is going to get a scholarship no matter how hard they work, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have access to a quality education. To me, the cost of higher education is almost as unconscionable as the cost of healthcare in this country.

And did Tweety just call Michelle Bernard and that other guy "people of Color"? We need a better phrase. . .

LOL.....hey, why we gotta be the phrased ones...why can't we just be people and white folks be "colorless people"?

oooo, I like that Miranda...from now on, it's colorless along with melanin challenged..like that a lot.

every time I hear that I think of this:

and you call me colored?

When I was born I was black,

When I grew up I was black,

When I'm sick I'm black,

When I go in the sun I'm black,

When I'm cold I'm black,

When I die I'll be black.

But you:

When you're born you're pink

When you grow up you're white,

When you're sick, you're green,

When you go in the sun you turn red,

When you're cold you turn blue,

and when you die you turn purple.

And you have the nerve to call me colored!!

OK!

I hope today was the start of Obama's return to the powerful oratory that helped propel him to the White House. He needs to turn Capitol Hill into a straight up Revival Meeting to get Health Care, Climate Change and Education reformed. Dude was on fire.

EDIT: Somebody slap the taste out of Michelle Bernard for saying health care and clean energy aren't the NAACP's focus. IT SHOULD BE, FOOL!!!

SLAP!
SLAP!
SAAAAALLLAAAAPPPPPPPP!!!

Yeah, I was like okay Michelle.

But I did like what she said about Frederick Douglass. That if Frederick Douglass can educate himself and learn, then none of our excuses can compare.

Her weave is too tight.

Everything that relates to surviving and thriving relates to black folks and should be a focus.

That weave is always a wreck...whenEVER I see it..it reminds me of why JoeJohns, bald but is her ex spouse, he likes any kinda hair. lol

Dahyum WRB,

Are you part of the Black CIA? I would have never known JoeJohns and MickyB were husband and wife. After mental deliberation, they seem(ed) perfect for each other.

BTW, I saw the back-and-forth between you and CPL the other night. It was painful to read.

I just pays attention...wanted to know who she was during the primaries when they were trotting her out with her GOP but.

Yes, that is her EX. Mr. JoeJohns, of CNN

I show my compassion, differently. my close friends tell me I don;t have a lot of EQ, but when they don't want sympathy, they call me cause I shoot 'em straight. If they wanna commisserate...I ain;t the one. I listen to the hurt, but then I quickly ask...'so what we gonna do about that?"

Sorry, I apologize if it my itough love hurts but since my friends call me back, and tell me thank you..I keep to what I am...did you read the sermon I posted for her (it was the last one)...that was my compassion...if not ..go and read it, let me know what you think.

I read it all. Essentially, you were advising her to "play the game," better and focus on keeping her job rather than claiming her throne.

Did you ever think that maybe it's not meant for CPL to be in subservient roles to the MAN for the rest of her life?

CPL was clearly in the wrong environment and my belief is that the Almighty G has something much better in store for her. She's going to evolve as we must all evolve and that evolution is (believe it or not) a gift.

Paychecks and livelihoods are important, but peace of mind is priceless. Even in this economy, we must not lose the essence of who we are.

"I read it all. Essentially, you were advising her to "play the game," better and focus on keeping her job rather than claiming her throne"

Yes, but...you didn't read the last post..with the sermon..

When Problems Show Up

...maybe you did:

"CPL was clearly in the wrong environment and my belief is that the Almighty G has something much better in store for her. She's going to evolve as we must all evolve and that evolution is (believe it or not) a gift"

Riiight. I agree, that is what the sermon is about!
Was that painful, too?

"Even in this economy, we must not lose the essence of who we are"

ICA!

Did ya'll see that shit??? Daaaaaaayum between this and the healthcare speech he gave today, Obama is on FIYA!!!!!!!!!1

FiYa baby.....The President rocked it tonight!

By the end of it he looked mad LOL

Michelle Bernard's analysis was weak! She's boring me.

Pretty damn good speech.

Why the hell would CNN have Lou F*&^IN Dobbs anywhere near the President 's speech?

Lou just checking for for illegal immigrants

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Zell Miller

talking sh-t

i smell a half apology
and i didn't say it to be racist


Zell Miller is back, and as edgy as ever.

The former Georgia governor and U.S. senator, who has kept out of the limelight these last couple years, today put in an appearance at a meeting of the Republican-oriented American Legislative Exchange Council in downtown Atlanta.

My AJC colleague Aaron Gould Sheinin was there, and posted a full account on Gold Dome Live. Here’s the part that will resonate:

Miller said [President Barack] Obama’s decision to try and close the Guantanamo Bay prison where suspected terrorists and enemy combatants are held, is “nuts.”

“This strange Obama sense of justice penalizes our civilians’ with their loss of freedom while rewarding the terrorists with new rights they never had before,” Miller said.

Obama, “our globe-trotting president,” Miller said, “needs to stop and take a break and quit gallivanting all around. I think [chief of staff] Rahm Emanuel ought to get some Gorilla Glue and put it in that chair in the Oval Office and say ‘Sit here awhile.’”

Oh, Zell. How we’ve missed you.

Oh, so now this wrinkled old muthafucka wants to rear his evil head again. Sumbitch helped give us four more years of Bush, tearin' into Kerry and Democrats at the 2004 Republican convention.

Old bastard. Time's up for you and your ilk.

it was played during his show.

Oh, I know that, but still they coulda interrupted his coverage, or not show it at damn all, since Lou is as bigotted as they come even if he has an Hispanic wife as I heard he does.

Just the small snippet of his question to Suzanne Malveaux was enuff for me to trun it off CNN. Hell at least Tweety seems to really care about "minority" issues, even if he is usually very inarticulate when he trys to.

When did Steven A. Smith become a political commentator?????

Whois this person?

have I NOT been asking this same question for awhile now?

my question is, who the heck is he? I never heard of him 'til MJ died.

Then consider yourself lucky. He's a sports writer - or he was until MSNBC started putting him on everyday.

Geez, this is the first time I've ever seen this dude on a news program

MSNBC has had him one way too much in the last couple of weeks. I've seen him too many times which is why I've been limiting watching any political shows - because if he is their idea of insightful commentary - well.....damn...this IS the channel that graces us with Pat friggin Buchanan....shit.

They need Carlos insted of Stephen A. Carlos won't play their politics though.

Pathetic.

I'm gearing up for a cable news fast soon. It's DVD and books for the summer.

Amen Spirit, share some book recos when you have a chance.

Here's one book for starters:

"Song Yet Sung"

Review snippett:

McBride is just as inclusive and ambitious in his new novel, Song Yet Sung. The book begins: "On a grey morning in March 1850, a colored slave named Liz Spocott dreamed of the future." With that, McBride places us back in a terrible time in American history and introduces a character that would seem to merit our pity: a slave woman in Maryland, trapped in a sinister system while living so very close to freedom. This is the well-documented territory of Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass. With them in mind, it's easy to assume Liz is praying for her freedom and the chance to have a family of her own.

But her dreams are not so personal. She has been granted the gift (or curse) of prophecy: "And it was not pleasant. She dreamed of Negroes driving horseless carriages on shiny rubber wheels with music booming throughout, and fat black children who smoked odd-smelling cigars and walked around with pistols in their pockets and murder in their eyes . . . and colored men dressed in garish costumes like children, playing odd sporting games and bragging like drunkards -- every bit of pride, decency, and morality squeezed clean out of them."

Sound familiar? With that opening to this powerful novel, McBride makes it clear that he is not just interested in staring into an antique, distant past. This past is living. It is linked to the present, and the work ain't done yet.

http://www.amazon.com/Song-Yet-Sung-James-McBri...

The media is just a big joke...one big sorry ass joke.

your right about that
i was going to watch Rachel talk to Pat Bucrackeran
but i don't wan't a headache

they know this man views
and no amount of talking
is going to change him

I was kinda surprised @ Rachel!

She grew a pair and went after Pat Buchanan tonight. Humph, maybe my emails are being read? :)


Hello Rachel,

I am deeply disturbed by your colleague Pat Buchanan's comment about advocating the drowning of a 19 year old boy. Pat Buchanan was speaking of Levi Johnston. When has it become funny to laugh about the murder of someone? Is this what we've become as a country when we disgree with someone?

Pat Buchanan is mean, hateful and racist but yet MSNBC continues to parade him around to spew his point of view. Are you going to denounce this kind of behavior? When does it become unacceptable? Is this the kind of message we should send to our young adults when we disagree? God help us as a country.

i know
he's been everywhere
commenting on Michael Jackson
and every thing he can think of
he needs to sit his azz down somewhere

When MSNBC needed more Black commentators.

And apparently just any ole black face will do.....

i just said the same thing...they pulled him out on the MJ story...when they said 'journalist' i said 'sports writer'

I see Michelle Bernard's come out of hibernation.

you know im all for people pulling themselves up by the bootstraps
but i can't stand when people get a little bit
and think they got there on their own
they try to act like no one gave them a hand with anything

then they try to spit on the ones that haven't made it
Michelle Bernard talks like that all the time

Dayum.....is Dottie Peoples gone sing "I Shall Not Be Moved"???

LOl! PBO deserves a collection plate pass for that speech.

I need my MLK "CHUCH" fan......where is it.....

I shall not be moved

like a tree...thats planted by the waaaaa-aaaa-aaa-ter!!!

AMEN! Here ya go, sister Miranda.

http://missionaryindependent.org/guardian-angel...

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/vox/media/...

You AIN'T lying.

Pass The Plate

Then its altar call time.......PBO done bought a revival to the NAACP.

No kidding!

NO
you know they need that money for the building fund

LOL Hilarious!

Giving glory to Gawd, Pastor, everyones, everyones!

LOL! Ok.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is Stephen Smith on my tee vee?

Oh Geeez!

Stephen A Smith is on.

I'm asking myself that very same question.

He needs to get a head piece or something. Looks like someone hacked the front of his hairline off with a hatchet.

Can't stand to hear him talk.

Go ahead on, Mr President!

Preach!!!!!!!!!

I hope Jeff Sessions heard him talk about prejudices!

Yeah, he's talking to you haters! He see you!

Uh oh.

Obama just said he's no more talented than any other young black person, he had some breaks.

Sean Hannity is somewhere cutting and pasting with one hand and fapping away with the other.

Damn. Big Daddy is on fire with his close.

Did you just call Pres. Obama "Big Daddy'? Something is not right with that statement coming from you, or anyone really. LOL

Think of Big Daddy as a synonym for HNIC.

It's just something about one grown man calling another grown man "Big Daddy" I knew what you meant, it was just weird. LOL

*dead*

FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!

BWA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EWWWW

LMAO!

How long has he been on?

Maybe 10-15 minutes?

Oh my...

Just tuned in. So far so good.

The President is on FIRE!

hello!

LOL!

Hello

Thanks Rikrah!

You're a jewel! :)

He's got his preacher voice workin! :)

WELLLLLLLLLLLLL!

LMAO

My Lord! My Lord! :)

i half expected him to take a white handkerchief
and wipe the sweat from his brow LOL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

He seems to be bringing the fire today. Saw a clip from The Ed Show and he was just bringin' it re: health care at the Corzine event. Ed was mighty proud...and so was I!

he was on Ed?

Yes he is
im watching the prez oh Hardball now
i hate Hardball

What did he say when everyone laughed? I missed it.

LOL!!!!

You made me laugh out loud!

I haven't been to church in awhile
but from the age of 1- 18 i was a member
of All Saints Temple C.O.G.I.C

so i know about the brow wiping LOL

St. Lawrence C.O.G.I.C. for me

Yup!

Me too! :)

Yeah he does!

Mr. President was bringing it! BooYah!

Go, Mr President!!