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		<title>By: Amaya</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/evening-open-thread-36/comment-page-2/#comment-339744</link>
		<dc:creator>Amaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of those two books............. saw in my local paper last week an article about:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Supermax prison: Obama&#039;s books objectionable&lt;br&gt;By MATTHEW BARAKAT – 5 days ago &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFD6-79Ugp43LypT-cTjcHifggzAD99B7N280&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;.....&quot; Last year, Abu Ali requested two books written by Obama: &quot;Dreams from My Father&quot; and &quot;The Audacity of Hope.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;But prison officials, citing guidance from the FBI, determined that passages in both books contain information that could damage national security.&lt;br&gt;&quot;A prison spokeswoman referred questions to the FBI, where a spokeswoman was looking into the matter Thursday evening.&lt;br&gt;&quot;The documents detailing the prison&#039;s rejection of Obama&#039;s books are included in court papers for a resentencing hearing scheduled later this month for Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen.&lt;br&gt;&quot;The rejection is just one indication of the harsh conditions imposed on inmates at the supermax prison, according to Abu Ali&#039;s lawyer, Joshua Dratel ...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but I haven&#039;t seen much about it elsewhere.  The kids getting kicked out of the pool made longer headlines, and should have.  But this story and the story of the Chicago cemetery should also have bigger play.  By the way, please forgive my lack of url-fu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of those two books&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. saw in my local paper last week an article about:</p>
<p>Supermax prison: Obama&#39;s books objectionable<br />By MATTHEW BARAKAT – 5 days ago <br /><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFD6-79Ugp43LypT-cTjcHifggzAD99B7N280" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe.." rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe..</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230;..&#8221; Last year, Abu Ali requested two books written by Obama: &#8220;Dreams from My Father&#8221; and &#8220;The Audacity of Hope.&#8221;<br />&#8220;But prison officials, citing guidance from the FBI, determined that passages in both books contain information that could damage national security.<br />&#8220;A prison spokeswoman referred questions to the FBI, where a spokeswoman was looking into the matter Thursday evening.<br />&#8220;The documents detailing the prison&#39;s rejection of Obama&#39;s books are included in court papers for a resentencing hearing scheduled later this month for Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen.<br />&#8220;The rejection is just one indication of the harsh conditions imposed on inmates at the supermax prison, according to Abu Ali&#39;s lawyer, Joshua Dratel &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>but I haven&#39;t seen much about it elsewhere.  The kids getting kicked out of the pool made longer headlines, and should have.  But this story and the story of the Chicago cemetery should also have bigger play.  By the way, please forgive my lack of url-fu.</p>
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		<title>By: Amaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of those two books............. saw in my local paper last week an article about:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Supermax prison: Obama&#039;s books objectionable&lt;br&gt;By MATTHEW BARAKAT – 5 days ago &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFD6-79Ugp43LypT-cTjcHifggzAD99B7N280&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;.....&quot; Last year, Abu Ali requested two books written by Obama: &quot;Dreams from My Father&quot; and &quot;The Audacity of Hope.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;But prison officials, citing guidance from the FBI, determined that passages in both books contain information that could damage national security.&lt;br&gt;&quot;A prison spokeswoman referred questions to the FBI, where a spokeswoman was looking into the matter Thursday evening.&lt;br&gt;&quot;The documents detailing the prison&#039;s rejection of Obama&#039;s books are included in court papers for a resentencing hearing scheduled later this month for Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen.&lt;br&gt;&quot;The rejection is just one indication of the harsh conditions imposed on inmates at the supermax prison, according to Abu Ali&#039;s lawyer, Joshua Dratel ...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but I haven&#039;t seen much about it elsewhere.  The kids getting kicked out of the pool made longer headlines, and should have.  But this story and the story of the Chicago cemetery should also have bigger play.  By the way, please forgive my lack of url-fu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of those two books&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. saw in my local paper last week an article about:</p>
<p>Supermax prison: Obama&#39;s books objectionable<br />By MATTHEW BARAKAT – 5 days ago <br /><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFD6-79Ugp43LypT-cTjcHifggzAD99B7N280" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe.." rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe..</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230;..&#8221; Last year, Abu Ali requested two books written by Obama: &#8220;Dreams from My Father&#8221; and &#8220;The Audacity of Hope.&#8221;<br />&#8220;But prison officials, citing guidance from the FBI, determined that passages in both books contain information that could damage national security.<br />&#8220;A prison spokeswoman referred questions to the FBI, where a spokeswoman was looking into the matter Thursday evening.<br />&#8220;The documents detailing the prison&#39;s rejection of Obama&#39;s books are included in court papers for a resentencing hearing scheduled later this month for Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen.<br />&#8220;The rejection is just one indication of the harsh conditions imposed on inmates at the supermax prison, according to Abu Ali&#39;s lawyer, Joshua Dratel &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>but I haven&#39;t seen much about it elsewhere.  The kids getting kicked out of the pool made longer headlines, and should have.  But this story and the story of the Chicago cemetery should also have bigger play.  By the way, please forgive my lack of url-fu.</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, YES!  CNN, (Cunning, Nefarious, Noxious)  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll bet you can&#039;t wait to see &quot;Black in America 2.&quot; &lt;&lt;&lt;eye roll&gt;&gt;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, YES!  CNN, (Cunning, Nefarious, Noxious)  </p>
<p>I&#39;ll bet you can&#39;t wait to see &#8220;Black in America 2.&#8221; &lt;&lt;&lt;eye roll&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Sepia</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/evening-open-thread-36/comment-page-2/#comment-237451</link>
		<dc:creator>Sepia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that when it happened! It was COMEDY! David was looking like Mike Myers looked after Kanye said that Bush didn&#039;t care about black people. And then here go Tamran saying that she&#039;s certain the woman was sorry about saying that. Heffa, please! I would&#039;ve loved it if the Firedoglake woman would&#039;ve said, &quot;Hell, no I&#039;m not sorry and I&#039;d do it again!&quot;. LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that when it happened! It was COMEDY! David was looking like Mike Myers looked after Kanye said that Bush didn&#39;t care about black people. And then here go Tamran saying that she&#39;s certain the woman was sorry about saying that. Heffa, please! I would&#39;ve loved it if the Firedoglake woman would&#39;ve said, &#8220;Hell, no I&#39;m not sorry and I&#39;d do it again!&#8221;. LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Sepia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sepia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that when it happened! It was COMEDY! David was looking like Mike Myers looked after Kanye said that Bush didn&#039;t care about black people. And then here go Tamran saying that she&#039;s certain the woman was sorry about saying that. Heffa, please! I would&#039;ve loved it if the Firedoglake woman would&#039;ve said, &quot;Hell, no I&#039;m not sorry and I&#039;d do it again!&quot;. LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that when it happened! It was COMEDY! David was looking like Mike Myers looked after Kanye said that Bush didn&#39;t care about black people. And then here go Tamran saying that she&#39;s certain the woman was sorry about saying that. Heffa, please! I would&#39;ve loved it if the Firedoglake woman would&#39;ve said, &#8220;Hell, no I&#39;m not sorry and I&#39;d do it again!&#8221;. LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: evita</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/evening-open-thread-36/comment-page-2/#comment-237133</link>
		<dc:creator>evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After my grandmother passed (3 years ago,) my parents and siblings had a long UNCOMFORTABLE discussion about their LIVING WILL. Nothing creates more drama in a family than the moment you have to decide to remove breathing tube.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If not a living will, then MAKE YOUR WISHES KNOWN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After my grandmother passed (3 years ago,) my parents and siblings had a long UNCOMFORTABLE discussion about their LIVING WILL. Nothing creates more drama in a family than the moment you have to decide to remove breathing tube.</p>
<p>If not a living will, then MAKE YOUR WISHES KNOWN.</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/evening-open-thread-36/comment-page-1/#comment-237105</link>
		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And THAT&#039;s why the government wants to eliminate it.  Because it works better than private insurance, but then the lobbyists won&#039;t get paid if that truth gets out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And THAT&#39;s why the government wants to eliminate it.  Because it works better than private insurance, but then the lobbyists won&#39;t get paid if that truth gets out.</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/evening-open-thread-36/comment-page-1/#comment-237102</link>
		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unles he&#039;s actually treating Ensign (and I don&#039;t think Ensign&#039;s body qualifies for an OB-GYN, but youneverknow), the doctor-patient privalege doesn&#039;t apply, and since he&#039;s not a priest, either, I don&#039;t think that privilage holds water.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Coburn + Congressional Subpeona = Testify or Be Locked UP in the Senate Jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unles he&#39;s actually treating Ensign (and I don&#39;t think Ensign&#39;s body qualifies for an OB-GYN, but youneverknow), the doctor-patient privalege doesn&#39;t apply, and since he&#39;s not a priest, either, I don&#39;t think that privilage holds water.</p>
<p>Coburn + Congressional Subpeona = Testify or Be Locked UP in the Senate Jail.</p>
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		<title>By: isonprize</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/evening-open-thread-36/comment-page-1/#comment-237066</link>
		<dc:creator>isonprize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly, a tough conversation to have.  But folks of color, especially, need to have it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And remember to change beneficiaries when changes happen in the family.  Special needs trusts differ from state to state, but if you have a family member who has special health care needs, you should check with a knowledgeable attorney on how to set up a trust. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have a will even if the only thing you own is a car. And please, PLEASE, Let people know where your papers are.  Insurance, deeds, birth/marriage/death certificates, military discharge papers, etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had an uncle who was a funeral director, and there is nothing worse than folks being in mourning but  frantic at the same time  &#039;cause they can&#039;t find Daddy&#039;s insurance paper...   Auntie said she owned this house...   Now you know Paul ain&#039;t never divorced that heifer... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OOOoooh, I could write a movie script from some of the stories he would tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly, a tough conversation to have.  But folks of color, especially, need to have it. </p>
<p>And remember to change beneficiaries when changes happen in the family.  Special needs trusts differ from state to state, but if you have a family member who has special health care needs, you should check with a knowledgeable attorney on how to set up a trust. </p>
<p>Have a will even if the only thing you own is a car. And please, PLEASE, Let people know where your papers are.  Insurance, deeds, birth/marriage/death certificates, military discharge papers, etc. </p>
<p>I had an uncle who was a funeral director, and there is nothing worse than folks being in mourning but  frantic at the same time  &#39;cause they can&#39;t find Daddy&#39;s insurance paper&#8230;   Auntie said she owned this house&#8230;   Now you know Paul ain&#39;t never divorced that heifer&#8230; </p>
<p>OOOoooh, I could write a movie script from some of the stories he would tell.</p>
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		<title>By: isonprize</title>
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		<dc:creator>isonprize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That seems pretty conclusive to us -- after all, if a guy can&#039;t trust his OB-GYN, who can he trust? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why you make me spit out my tea?  Now, I gotta clean the computer screen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That seems pretty conclusive to us &#8212; after all, if a guy can&#39;t trust his OB-GYN, who can he trust? </i></p>
<p>Why you make me spit out my tea?  Now, I gotta clean the computer screen.</p>
<p>Damn.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzikal203</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzikal203</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, apparently Palin has said that she&#039;s willing to campaign for Democrats. Personally, I think she&#039;s been campaigning for Democrats since at least September 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, apparently Palin has said that she&#39;s willing to campaign for Democrats. Personally, I think she&#39;s been campaigning for Democrats since at least September 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: isonprize</title>
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		<dc:creator>isonprize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better living thru chemistry, I always say...</description>
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		<title>By: WordSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not me .... i finally got off mine.   /snicker/ ** /snort/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not me &#8230;. i finally got off mine.   /snicker/ ** /snort/</p>
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		<title>By: heartsandflowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>heartsandflowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight&#039;s Conversation:&lt;br&gt;The Fight For Justice Continues With the Murder Trail of Lateisha Green &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/n8q5zy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/n8q5zy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight&#39;s Conversation:<br />The Fight For Justice Continues With the Murder Trail of Lateisha Green </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/n8q5zy" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/n8q5zy</a></p>
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		<title>By: WordSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know what - he may be a major but you&#039;re right - that fucker better remember who&#039;s the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF and i guarantee you HIS commanding officer be it a Lt. Colonel, (full) Colonel or any one of the starred generals - his ass can be booted out just as easily as some punk-ass private.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know what &#8211; he may be a major but you&#39;re right &#8211; that fucker better remember who&#39;s the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF and i guarantee you HIS commanding officer be it a Lt. Colonel, (full) Colonel or any one of the starred generals &#8211; his ass can be booted out just as easily as some punk-ass private.</p>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching Anderson Cooper interview President Obama at the slave castle, lo and behold, I had to endure watching Haitians with black child slaves.  With 27 million slaves on the planet it seems deliberate that they would choose black on black slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching Anderson Cooper interview President Obama at the slave castle, lo and behold, I had to endure watching Haitians with black child slaves.  With 27 million slaves on the planet it seems deliberate that they would choose black on black slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks RobM.</description>
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		<title>By: Angelar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Kamen from WAPO on the Ensign affair and Coburn&#039;s comments.....lol&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Speaking of life after your political career tanks, l&#039;Affaire Ensign had been briefly overshadowed by Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) and his taxpayer-funded search for a love ranch on the pampas so he could be with his Argentine girlfriend. But last week it zoomed back to the forefront. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, Sen. John Ensign&#039;s sexual affair with former campaign staffer Cynthia Hampton, the wife of his former chief of staff -- and news last week that the Nevada Republican&#039;s parents magnanimously gave the Hamptons $96,000 &quot;out of concern&quot; for the couple and their kids -- now looks a far better bet to get us through the traditional summer news doldrums. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, even though Ensign himself claimed &quot;extortion&quot; to describe Doug Hampton&#039;s requests for money, it is unclear whether anyone in the prosecutorial world is actually taking a hard look at the goings-on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone&#039;s conduct in the matter may raise questions, we were told, but it is far from clear whether there is sufficient basis to initiate a criminal investigation. (There&#039;s still the matter of an alleged severance payment to Cynthia Hampton by Ensign of at least $25,000. That payment was not reported, as required by law, to the Federal Election Commission.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s also unclear if there is going to be any action by the fearsome Senate ethics committee. A potentially key witness, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), is a close friend of Ensign&#039;s and urged him to end the affair. But Coburn said last week he would &quot;never&quot; testify before the committee or in court. He noted that he counseled Ensign &quot;as a physician&quot; -- Coburn is an obstetrician and gynecologist -- and as an &quot;ordained deacon,&quot; and therefore could not be compelled to testify because of doctor-patient privilege and religious privilege. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That seems pretty conclusive to us -- after all, if a guy can&#039;t trust his OB-GYN, who can he trust? But some lawyers think neither assertion, though quite creative, would stand up in court. (There&#039;s little chance at this point that the committee will haul Coburn in to testify, with or without some goofy claim of privilege.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even so, Coburn&#039;s got other options, perhaps better ones, we were advised. He could hustle on out and get a law degree real quick, then claim retroactive attorney-client privilege -- a recognized and formidable barrier to compelled testimony. To be absolutely bulletproof, however, he may want to marry Ensign -- they&#039;d have to travel to Iowa -- and then rely on the ironclad spousal privilege.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Kamen from WAPO on the Ensign affair and Coburn&#39;s comments&#8230;..lol</p>
<p>&#8220;Speaking of life after your political career tanks, l&#39;Affaire Ensign had been briefly overshadowed by Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) and his taxpayer-funded search for a love ranch on the pampas so he could be with his Argentine girlfriend. But last week it zoomed back to the forefront. </p>
<p>In fact, Sen. John Ensign&#39;s sexual affair with former campaign staffer Cynthia Hampton, the wife of his former chief of staff &#8212; and news last week that the Nevada Republican&#39;s parents magnanimously gave the Hamptons $96,000 &#8220;out of concern&#8221; for the couple and their kids &#8212; now looks a far better bet to get us through the traditional summer news doldrums. </p>
<p>However, even though Ensign himself claimed &#8220;extortion&#8221; to describe Doug Hampton&#39;s requests for money, it is unclear whether anyone in the prosecutorial world is actually taking a hard look at the goings-on. </p>
<p>Everyone&#39;s conduct in the matter may raise questions, we were told, but it is far from clear whether there is sufficient basis to initiate a criminal investigation. (There&#39;s still the matter of an alleged severance payment to Cynthia Hampton by Ensign of at least $25,000. That payment was not reported, as required by law, to the Federal Election Commission.) </p>
<p>It&#39;s also unclear if there is going to be any action by the fearsome Senate ethics committee. A potentially key witness, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), is a close friend of Ensign&#39;s and urged him to end the affair. But Coburn said last week he would &#8220;never&#8221; testify before the committee or in court. He noted that he counseled Ensign &#8220;as a physician&#8221; &#8212; Coburn is an obstetrician and gynecologist &#8212; and as an &#8220;ordained deacon,&#8221; and therefore could not be compelled to testify because of doctor-patient privilege and religious privilege. </p>
<p>That seems pretty conclusive to us &#8212; after all, if a guy can&#39;t trust his OB-GYN, who can he trust? But some lawyers think neither assertion, though quite creative, would stand up in court. (There&#39;s little chance at this point that the committee will haul Coburn in to testify, with or without some goofy claim of privilege.) </p>
<p>Even so, Coburn&#39;s got other options, perhaps better ones, we were advised. He could hustle on out and get a law degree real quick, then claim retroactive attorney-client privilege &#8212; a recognized and formidable barrier to compelled testimony. To be absolutely bulletproof, however, he may want to marry Ensign &#8212; they&#39;d have to travel to Iowa &#8212; and then rely on the ironclad spousal privilege.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know. Found this on  the DU site.</description>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad it is happening but I have to disagree w/ this assessment, &quot;Taxpayers are paying the bills for eight years of indifferent, incurious oversight of the economy.&quot; The last eight years were neither indifferent nor incurious. They were deliberate and willfull. Madeoff alone tells you it was true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad it is happening but I have to disagree w/ this assessment, &#8220;Taxpayers are paying the bills for eight years of indifferent, incurious oversight of the economy.&#8221; The last eight years were neither indifferent nor incurious. They were deliberate and willfull. Madeoff alone tells you it was true.</p>
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