Comments on: Black In America 2 – Open Thread http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: ÐÀÑ×ÅÒ ÇÀ ÂÛÎÇ ÑÍÅÃÀhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-725696 ÐÀÑ×ÅÒ ÇÀ ÂÛÎÇ ÑÍÅÃÀ Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:01:59 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-725696 <strong>ÑÊÎËÜÊÎ ÑÒÎÈÒ ÍÀÍßÒÜ ÏÎÃÐÓÇ×ÈÊ...</strong>minny... ÑÊÎËÜÊÎ ÑÒÎÈÒ ÍÀÍßÒÜ ÏÎÃÐÓÇ×ÈÊ…

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]]> By: graffitimsc8http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-340990 graffitimsc8 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:33:39 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-340990 So I watched both segments, and I admit, I did rail on it unfairly due to severely misplaced misconceptions. It wasn't whack, there were segments that were interesting, and reading Fredric Mitchell's recent post, I can see the usefulness of it. The thing is that I am angry and impatient and I have been told to wait. Nothing got me excited, primarily for the reason that it either existed in a small space, a space that was created by someone who has a lot of money or a unique position, or a space you need incredible talent or wealth for. Yes, it does affect the lives of people in great ways, but it only spreads on it's own accord. There was small talk on the prison system but where was the serious critique? the part about the man who got of of jail and was curtailed into stealing again was powerful, but more so because he was a "fallen angel", and not a person driven into a corner by the ridiculous "rehabilitation" system of not allowing convicts to do much of anything. I see the potential for significant amounts of change in this country relating to the every day situations of people, and this potential comes from these people themselves. It wasn't that the documentary did not tell the story of the "average black person", or that it lacked perspective, because it did have a perspective. The thing is that I felt it didn't go far enough, and this is on purpose, because the same systems and societal standards that make CNN a major news source strives off of the division and misconceptions of racism. What I saw was a depiction of the door to success that ultimately leads into a white man's home, yet Tyler Perry and Steve Perry were small exceptions to this, also that afterschool program of wellness. But they were only exceptions to an extent. I saw nothing that challenged the fundamentals of our system of education, the indoctrination that many forms of our current educational system creates, but once again, S. Perry's program is a slight exception. I saw nothing criticizing the hypocrisy of a fortune 500 company that preaches opportunity while generating immense amounts of profits from somewhere, when my understanding of immense amounts of profit is that this usually comes from the exploitation and abuse of poor communities and communities of color. I am speaking from a viewpoint which stems from a belief that in order to truly shift the lives of the people on the bottom of our societies, there needs to be a fundamental shift in the foundation of that society, and being a privileged person of a somewhat steady middle class family who is in college and has very little to truly worry about, I try to speak or listen to or find the stories of people who get the worst from this system. Those people tell me that things need to change. This documentary doesn't tell me that. It tells me that people need to change, which is incredibly true, we need to change ourselves first. Yet I feel this change is not to change the system, but to be accepted by it. which is cool to an individualistic extent.I am still incredibly ignorant and have a lot to learn. But what I do know is that some of Soledad's last words were, "his success grew out of a trouble home, a poor neighborhood, and a strong faith." What does that mean? Yes, Tyler made it, because he was damned good at what he does and other reasons that I don't want to insult by trying to describe. But why end on this, this statement that centers on him but also zooms out to encompass entire communities of people who aren't Tyler Perry. I didn't feel angry, I didn't feel hopeful, I felt like a failure, like a person who's kicking their feet and going nowhere, and not because of the current that drives against me, but because I'm just not kicking hard enough. That's why ultimately, I didn't like it, because it got me in a place where I feel I can save myself, but only with an excursion pointed in such a way in which I can save myself, some of the talented tenth, but not many others. And I don't agree with that. So I watched both segments, and I admit, I did rail on it unfairly due to severely misplaced misconceptions. It wasn't whack, there were segments that were interesting, and reading Fredric Mitchell's recent post, I can see the usefulness of it. The thing is that I am angry and impatient and I have been told to wait. Nothing got me excited, primarily for the reason that it either existed in a small space, a space that was created by someone who has a lot of money or a unique position, or a space you need incredible talent or wealth for. Yes, it does affect the lives of people in great ways, but it only spreads on it's own accord. There was small talk on the prison system but where was the serious critique? the part about the man who got of of jail and was curtailed into stealing again was powerful, but more so because he was a “fallen angel”, and not a person driven into a corner by the ridiculous “rehabilitation” system of not allowing convicts to do much of anything. I see the potential for significant amounts of change in this country relating to the every day situations of people, and this potential comes from these people themselves. It wasn't that the documentary did not tell the story of the “average black person”, or that it lacked perspective, because it did have a perspective. The thing is that I felt it didn't go far enough, and this is on purpose, because the same systems and societal standards that make CNN a major news source strives off of the division and misconceptions of racism. What I saw was a depiction of the door to success that ultimately leads into a white man's home, yet Tyler Perry and Steve Perry were small exceptions to this, also that afterschool program of wellness. But they were only exceptions to an extent. I saw nothing that challenged the fundamentals of our system of education, the indoctrination that many forms of our current educational system creates, but once again, S. Perry's program is a slight exception. I saw nothing criticizing the hypocrisy of a fortune 500 company that preaches opportunity while generating immense amounts of profits from somewhere, when my understanding of immense amounts of profit is that this usually comes from the exploitation and abuse of poor communities and communities of color. I am speaking from a viewpoint which stems from a belief that in order to truly shift the lives of the people on the bottom of our societies, there needs to be a fundamental shift in the foundation of that society, and being a privileged person of a somewhat steady middle class family who is in college and has very little to truly worry about, I try to speak or listen to or find the stories of people who get the worst from this system. Those people tell me that things need to change. This documentary doesn't tell me that. It tells me that people need to change, which is incredibly true, we need to change ourselves first. Yet I feel this change is not to change the system, but to be accepted by it. which is cool to an individualistic extent.I am still incredibly ignorant and have a lot to learn. But what I do know is that some of Soledad's last words were, “his success grew out of a trouble home, a poor neighborhood, and a strong faith.” What does that mean? Yes, Tyler made it, because he was damned good at what he does and other reasons that I don't want to insult by trying to describe. But why end on this, this statement that centers on him but also zooms out to encompass entire communities of people who aren't Tyler Perry. I didn't feel angry, I didn't feel hopeful, I felt like a failure, like a person who's kicking their feet and going nowhere, and not because of the current that drives against me, but because I'm just not kicking hard enough. That's why ultimately, I didn't like it, because it got me in a place where I feel I can save myself, but only with an excursion pointed in such a way in which I can save myself, some of the talented tenth, but not many others. And I don't agree with that.

]]> By: graffitimsc8http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-247584 graffitimsc8 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:33:39 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-247584 So I watched both segments, and I admit, I did rail on it unfairly due to severely misplaced misconceptions. It wasn't whack, there were segments that were interesting, and reading Fredric Mitchell's recent post, I can see the usefulness of it. The thing is that I am angry and impatient and I have been told to wait. Nothing got me excited, primarily for the reason that it either existed in a small space, a space that was created by someone who has a lot of money or a unique position, or a space you need incredible talent or wealth for. Yes, it does affect the lives of people in great ways, but it only spreads on it's own accord. There was small talk on the prison system but where was the serious critique? the part about the man who got of of jail and was curtailed into stealing again was powerful, but more so because he was a "fallen angel", and not a person driven into a corner by the ridiculous "rehabilitation" system of not allowing convicts to do much of anything. I see the potential for significant amounts of change in this country relating to the every day situations of people, and this potential comes from these people themselves. It wasn't that the documentary did not tell the story of the "average black person", or that it lacked perspective, because it did have a perspective. The thing is that I felt it didn't go far enough, and this is on purpose, because the same systems and societal standards that make CNN a major news source strives off of the division and misconceptions of racism. What I saw was a depiction of the door to success that ultimately leads into a white man's home, yet Tyler Perry and Steve Perry were small exceptions to this, also that afterschool program of wellness. But they were only exceptions to an extent. I saw nothing that challenged the fundamentals of our system of education, the indoctrination that many forms of our current educational system creates, but once again, S. Perry's program is a slight exception. I saw nothing criticizing the hypocrisy of a fortune 500 company that preaches opportunity while generating immense amounts of profits from somewhere, when my understanding of immense amounts of profit is that this usually comes from the exploitation and abuse of poor communities and communities of color. I am speaking from a viewpoint which stems from a belief that in order to truly shift the lives of the people on the bottom of our societies, there needs to be a fundamental shift in the foundation of that society, and being a privileged person of a somewhat steady middle class family who is in college and has very little to truly worry about, I try to speak or listen to or find the stories of people who get the worst from this system. Those people tell me that things need to change. This documentary doesn't tell me that. It tells me that people need to change, which is incredibly true, we need to change ourselves first. Yet I feel this change is not to change the system, but to be accepted by it. which is cool to an individualistic extent.I am still incredibly ignorant and have a lot to learn. But what I do know is that some of Soledad's last words were, "his success grew out of a trouble home, a poor neighborhood, and a strong faith." What does that mean? Yes, Tyler made it, because he was damned good at what he does and other reasons that I don't want to insult by trying to describe. But why end on this, this statement that centers on him but also zooms out to encompass entire communities of people who aren't Tyler Perry. I didn't feel angry, I didn't feel hopeful, I felt like a failure, like a person who's kicking their feet and going nowhere, and not because of the current that drives against me, but because I'm just not kicking hard enough. That's why ultimately, I didn't like it, because it got me in a place where I feel I can save myself, but only with an excursion pointed in such a way in which I can save myself, some of the talented tenth, but not many others. And I don't agree with that. So I watched both segments, and I admit, I did rail on it unfairly due to severely misplaced misconceptions. It wasn't whack, there were segments that were interesting, and reading Fredric Mitchell's recent post, I can see the usefulness of it. The thing is that I am angry and impatient and I have been told to wait. Nothing got me excited, primarily for the reason that it either existed in a small space, a space that was created by someone who has a lot of money or a unique position, or a space you need incredible talent or wealth for. Yes, it does affect the lives of people in great ways, but it only spreads on it's own accord. There was small talk on the prison system but where was the serious critique? the part about the man who got of of jail and was curtailed into stealing again was powerful, but more so because he was a “fallen angel”, and not a person driven into a corner by the ridiculous “rehabilitation” system of not allowing convicts to do much of anything. I see the potential for significant amounts of change in this country relating to the every day situations of people, and this potential comes from these people themselves. It wasn't that the documentary did not tell the story of the “average black person”, or that it lacked perspective, because it did have a perspective. The thing is that I felt it didn't go far enough, and this is on purpose, because the same systems and societal standards that make CNN a major news source strives off of the division and misconceptions of racism. What I saw was a depiction of the door to success that ultimately leads into a white man's home, yet Tyler Perry and Steve Perry were small exceptions to this, also that afterschool program of wellness. But they were only exceptions to an extent. I saw nothing that challenged the fundamentals of our system of education, the indoctrination that many forms of our current educational system creates, but once again, S. Perry's program is a slight exception. I saw nothing criticizing the hypocrisy of a fortune 500 company that preaches opportunity while generating immense amounts of profits from somewhere, when my understanding of immense amounts of profit is that this usually comes from the exploitation and abuse of poor communities and communities of color. I am speaking from a viewpoint which stems from a belief that in order to truly shift the lives of the people on the bottom of our societies, there needs to be a fundamental shift in the foundation of that society, and being a privileged person of a somewhat steady middle class family who is in college and has very little to truly worry about, I try to speak or listen to or find the stories of people who get the worst from this system. Those people tell me that things need to change. This documentary doesn't tell me that. It tells me that people need to change, which is incredibly true, we need to change ourselves first. Yet I feel this change is not to change the system, but to be accepted by it. which is cool to an individualistic extent.I am still incredibly ignorant and have a lot to learn. But what I do know is that some of Soledad's last words were, “his success grew out of a trouble home, a poor neighborhood, and a strong faith.” What does that mean? Yes, Tyler made it, because he was damned good at what he does and other reasons that I don't want to insult by trying to describe. But why end on this, this statement that centers on him but also zooms out to encompass entire communities of people who aren't Tyler Perry. I didn't feel angry, I didn't feel hopeful, I felt like a failure, like a person who's kicking their feet and going nowhere, and not because of the current that drives against me, but because I'm just not kicking hard enough. That's why ultimately, I didn't like it, because it got me in a place where I feel I can save myself, but only with an excursion pointed in such a way in which I can save myself, some of the talented tenth, but not many others. And I don't agree with that.

]]> By: Nardwillyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246294 Nardwilly Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:33:56 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246294 Each one of us experiences BIA in our own particular way. Our experience is wide and varied. <br><br>My Dad played golf in the fifties and sixties in small town Michigan. My friends accused me of acting white. My parents had low paying jobs even for Blacks in my Michigan hometown at that time. But for me the Black golfers in all the cities of Michigan out from Detroit were the largest AA group outside of church I saw until well into college. They travelled to other cities to play golf on the weekends. For weekend tournaments the families went and stayed in houses of others. Before I was 12 I had visited every city in Lower Michigan, except Detroit. I saw only AA people in those cities, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, Jackson, Muskegon, and Lansing with Furniture City Amateur Golf Club. The club still exists and people my age, 57, now run it. In Grand Rapids white people participated in their tournaments in the mid sixties. Sorry to go on about the club. It was an important part of my growing up. <br><br>Anyway, I have a short nerve when Blacks say other Blacks are acting white or minimize the Blackness of their experience because it is different. Each one of us experiences BIA in our own particular way. Our experience is wide and varied.

My Dad played golf in the fifties and sixties in small town Michigan. My friends accused me of acting white. My parents had low paying jobs even for Blacks in my Michigan hometown at that time. But for me the Black golfers in all the cities of Michigan out from Detroit were the largest AA group outside of church I saw until well into college. They travelled to other cities to play golf on the weekends. For weekend tournaments the families went and stayed in houses of others. Before I was 12 I had visited every city in Lower Michigan, except Detroit. I saw only AA people in those cities, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, Jackson, Muskegon, and Lansing with Furniture City Amateur Golf Club. The club still exists and people my age, 57, now run it. In Grand Rapids white people participated in their tournaments in the mid sixties. Sorry to go on about the club. It was an important part of my growing up.

Anyway, I have a short nerve when Blacks say other Blacks are acting white or minimize the Blackness of their experience because it is different.

]]> By: SouthernGirl_11http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246223 SouthernGirl_11 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:38:06 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246223 Do you mind explaining further? Do you mind explaining further?

]]> By: devesselhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246147 devessel Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:30:13 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246147 And, as someone who watched it TWICE so I could comment properly, it is, in fact, worth screening before a comment. And, I might add, not entirely a waste. And, as someone who watched it TWICE so I could comment properly, it is, in fact, worth screening before a comment. And, I might add, not entirely a waste.

]]> By: wasteacherhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246131 wasteacher Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:41:35 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246131 I know she isn't his 1st wife but duhzam. I hate to hear these ugly rumors about him, especially him dissing her. She is a great person. she probably had to sign a pre-nup but she still has the kids. I know she isn't his 1st wife but duhzam. I hate to hear these ugly rumors about him, especially him dissing her. She is a great person. she probably had to sign a pre-nup but she still has the kids.

]]> By: itgurl_29http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246123 itgurl_29 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:16:42 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246123 Soledad's kitchen and edges stays nappy! I saw her at the Essence Festival a couple of weeks ago and her hair was on point. She must have gotten a fresh perm. She would look cute with natural hair.<br><br>But the worst offender is Suzanne Malveaux. She puts too much moisturizer in her hair and it's all weighed down and lifeless. Soledad's kitchen and edges stays nappy! I saw her at the Essence Festival a couple of weeks ago and her hair was on point. She must have gotten a fresh perm. She would look cute with natural hair.

But the worst offender is Suzanne Malveaux. She puts too much moisturizer in her hair and it's all weighed down and lifeless.

]]> By: itgurl_29http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246122 itgurl_29 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:14:01 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246122 She must have married him for his money. Not only is Chris Rock unattractive, but he talks about her like she's some stereotypical ignorant never satisfied black woman. It's ridiculous. Oh, not to mention the fact that he constantly cheats on her and has had several paternity suits thrown at him. She's an impressive person. She can do better than him, that's for sure. She must have married him for his money. Not only is Chris Rock unattractive, but he talks about her like she's some stereotypical ignorant never satisfied black woman. It's ridiculous. Oh, not to mention the fact that he constantly cheats on her and has had several paternity suits thrown at him. She's an impressive person. She can do better than him, that's for sure.

]]> By: graffitimsc8http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246119 graffitimsc8 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:02:42 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246119 I saw it, and I think I was right for the most part, didn't really like it, the Steve Perry bit was cool and at the same time slightly disturbing for some reason, the rest, whack in my opinion. I saw it, and I think I was right for the most part, didn't really like it, the Steve Perry bit was cool and at the same time slightly disturbing for some reason, the rest, whack in my opinion.

]]> By: DoctorRogerhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246062 DoctorRoger Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:53:06 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246062 Like I need CNN to tell me what being Black is like. Hell, they didn't get it close to right the first time; why waste my time and raise my blood pressure again? Like I need CNN to tell me what being Black is like. Hell, they didn't get it close to right the first time; why waste my time and raise my blood pressure again?

]]> By: graffitimsc8http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246046 graffitimsc8 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:14:15 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246046 That quote summed up pretty much all I said into a sentence I would never think of, which is why I'm so skeptical, and self loathing is exactly what I fear above all else, because someone who sees themselves as subhuman, feels very little to no hope, and without hope, there lacks the pride necessary to get people angry enough to organize, but I do agree with SouthernGirl, I haven't seen it yet, and so I can't really judge it, but yea how we perceive ourselves, exactly. That quote summed up pretty much all I said into a sentence I would never think of, which is why I'm so skeptical, and self loathing is exactly what I fear above all else, because someone who sees themselves as subhuman, feels very little to no hope, and without hope, there lacks the pride necessary to get people angry enough to organize, but I do agree with SouthernGirl, I haven't seen it yet, and so I can't really judge it, but yea how we perceive ourselves, exactly.

]]> By: BlackAmericanPrincesshttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246037 BlackAmericanPrincess Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:05:04 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246037 I thought this documentary was EXCELLENT, I'm really not understanding why people bash it so. And I better not ever ever EVER hear Chris Rock say one more thing negative about his wife or do any other jokes about marriage. His wife is a PHENOMENAL woman. I thought this documentary was EXCELLENT, I'm really not understanding why people bash it so. And I better not ever ever EVER hear Chris Rock say one more thing negative about his wife or do any other jokes about marriage. His wife is a PHENOMENAL woman.

]]> By: chaz69http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246032 chaz69 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:03:07 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246032 Very well stated, graffiti. Yet, we're never going to get anything on CNN or any other network that comes close to what you articulated. The tragedy of it is -- we're not going to get that vista from BET, TV-One, Oprah, et al.<br><br>The late John Henrik Clarke said it so eloquently when he was interviewed on my TV show back in 1994. He said, "We cannot ask the people who programmed us into oblivion to program us out of it." <br><br>When it comes to mass media, we are not in control of our image (however multifaceted and complex that 'image' or 'story' is) and until such time we that we do develop institutions that impact public perception -- and public policy, we will continue to have our collective experience framed and shaped by others. My concerns are less with how others perceive us and more for how we perceive ourselves. Those images we see on TV affect us, our kids too. Self-loathing is one of our greatest challenges. Very well stated, graffiti. Yet, we're never going to get anything on CNN or any other network that comes close to what you articulated. The tragedy of it is — we're not going to get that vista from BET, TV-One, Oprah, et al.

The late John Henrik Clarke said it so eloquently when he was interviewed on my TV show back in 1994. He said, “We cannot ask the people who programmed us into oblivion to program us out of it.”

When it comes to mass media, we are not in control of our image (however multifaceted and complex that 'image' or 'story' is) and until such time we that we do develop institutions that impact public perception — and public policy, we will continue to have our collective experience framed and shaped by others. My concerns are less with how others perceive us and more for how we perceive ourselves. Those images we see on TV affect us, our kids too. Self-loathing is one of our greatest challenges.

]]> By: Muzikal203http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246031 Muzikal203 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:02:44 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246031 Okay, so i watched the last 30 minutes, and it was interesting. I really thought the part about the Tuxedo Ball was particularly interesting with the man talking about how it's elitist and it's doing the same thing to non-rich/privileged Blacks that White people have been doing to Black people for years juxtaposed with the founder of the Tuxedo Ball talking about how those people wouldn't be able to network otherwise. Somehow I find that hard to believe. I'm not rich and I have PLENTY of opportunities to do networking through things like the local Bar Association with African American attorneys and I didn't grow up privileged just an average middle class Black home. Okay, so i watched the last 30 minutes, and it was interesting. I really thought the part about the Tuxedo Ball was particularly interesting with the man talking about how it's elitist and it's doing the same thing to non-rich/privileged Blacks that White people have been doing to Black people for years juxtaposed with the founder of the Tuxedo Ball talking about how those people wouldn't be able to network otherwise. Somehow I find that hard to believe. I'm not rich and I have PLENTY of opportunities to do networking through things like the local Bar Association with African American attorneys and I didn't grow up privileged just an average middle class Black home.

]]> By: SouthernGirl_11http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246013 SouthernGirl_11 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:43:10 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246013 I'd say watch first, then come back and see if you have the same response. I'd say watch first, then come back and see if you have the same response.

]]> By: JJaihttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-246007 JJai Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:37:16 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-246007 Whack in America: Not FUBU instead For Them and By Them. <br><br>Who can tell our story? We no know it's not BET or CNN. Whack in America: Not FUBU instead For Them and By Them.

Who can tell our story? We no know it's not BET or CNN.

]]> By: graffitimsc8http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/black-in-america-2-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-245987 graffitimsc8 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:21:08 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=13446#comment-245987 Now wait a sec, I may be speaking out of ignorance here, seeing how I missed Black in America 2 partly because of my bias against mainstream anything and partly because my sis had DVR on lockdown, I can't find it online so I can't watch it til it replays or something, but I have yet to see "our" story being told, You gotta be real clear on who you mean by "our", because there's a whole bunch of different types of folks out there, and there's that whole house vs. field thing going on as well, but I haven't seen this on mainstream media, the story of a person disowned by a system built and maintained on this person's exclusion, I have yet to see the hopelessness that arises from watching a black man become president while your schools still call you stupid and your community still seems to be falling into this invisible hole and white people still don't see you before they see your skin. I have yet to see the full story of the poor black person in this country, and why, exactly, they are poor. All I've seen is the melodrama of the fallen angel who needs some new bootstraps and not of a population who is systematically denied equality because the system depends on that very same inequality to survive. But Black in America 2 might have performed this feat so my bad if it has, I'm just real skeptical is all. I'm not down for positive light, I'm down for exposing the complexity that arises from a person who lives in place where they're seen as something other than first. Now wait a sec, I may be speaking out of ignorance here, seeing how I missed Black in America 2 partly because of my bias against mainstream anything and partly because my sis had DVR on lockdown, I can't find it online so I can't watch it til it replays or something, but I have yet to see “our” story being told, You gotta be real clear on who you mean by “our”, because there's a whole bunch of different types of folks out there, and there's that whole house vs. field thing going on as well, but I haven't seen this on mainstream media, the story of a person disowned by a system built and maintained on this person's exclusion, I have yet to see the hopelessness that arises from watching a black man become president while your schools still call you stupid and your community still seems to be falling into this invisible hole and white people still don't see you before they see your skin. I have yet to see the full story of the poor black person in this country, and why, exactly, they are poor. All I've seen is the melodrama of the fallen angel who needs some new bootstraps and not of a population who is systematically denied equality because the system depends on that very same inequality to survive. But Black in America 2 might have performed this feat so my bad if it has, I'm just real skeptical is all. I'm not down for positive light, I'm down for exposing the complexity that arises from a person who lives in place where they're seen as something other than first.

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