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		<title>By: malletgirl02</title>
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		<dc:creator>malletgirl02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I know that, you know that, but do the pundits know it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I know that, you know that, but do the pundits know it?</p>
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		<title>By: Myth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I thought. Men lie and cheat. Had it not been for the accident and everything coming to light, he would have continued to twist her mind for as long as she didnt find out. This is so sad. He had 4 boys and how is his wife gonna explain this to the 5 year old son, tell me?  He was still in love with his wife and making love to her daily. She may or may not have known what was going on. Neither one of them thought that it would come to this though. That one unguarded moment can change a life forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s what I thought. Men lie and cheat. Had it not been for the accident and everything coming to light, he would have continued to twist her mind for as long as she didnt find out. This is so sad. He had 4 boys and how is his wife gonna explain this to the 5 year old son, tell me?  He was still in love with his wife and making love to her daily. She may or may not have known what was going on. Neither one of them thought that it would come to this though. That one unguarded moment can change a life forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Micheline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember he needed 60 votes whenever a bill increases the deficit, so he had to deal with the Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember he needed 60 votes whenever a bill increases the deficit, so he had to deal with the Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, this is getting too funny..it seems the Obamas are still on track for Martha&#039;s Vineyard...   and  I am still waiting to hear if the Black Elite will accept Michelle Obama?   Oh geez...this is just too funny!   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;by the way, as a citizen who is not elite but just loves Martha&#039;s Vineyard...I have spent many beautiful days there..guess I won&#039;t get there any time soon if the Obama family visits.  I won&#039;t be able to afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, this is getting too funny..it seems the Obamas are still on track for Martha&#39;s Vineyard&#8230;   and  I am still waiting to hear if the Black Elite will accept Michelle Obama?   Oh geez&#8230;this is just too funny!   </p>
<p>by the way, as a citizen who is not elite but just loves Martha&#39;s Vineyard&#8230;I have spent many beautiful days there..guess I won&#39;t get there any time soon if the Obama family visits.  I won&#39;t be able to afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/afternoon-open-thread-85/comment-page-2/#comment-229050</link>
		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Myth, Muzikal and Mallet here it is:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The victim&#039;s sister, Soheyla Kazemi, told the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville that the young woman had expected McNair to get a divorce. &quot;She said they were planning to get married.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McNair had 4 sons, with Mechelle his wife of 12 years, two of the sons were hers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81123786&amp;template=without-video-with-comments&amp;confirm=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d811237...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Myth, Muzikal and Mallet here it is:</p>
<p>&#8220;The victim&#39;s sister, Soheyla Kazemi, told the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville that the young woman had expected McNair to get a divorce. &#8220;She said they were planning to get married.&#8221;</p>
<p>McNair had 4 sons, with Mechelle his wife of 12 years, two of the sons were hers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81123786&#038;template=without-video-with-comments&#038;confirm=true" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d811237.." rel="nofollow">http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d811237..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katharine Weymouth to WaPo Readers: F**k You  &lt;br&gt;by Thomas C [Subscribe] &lt;br&gt; Share this on Twitter - Katharine Weymouth to WaPo Readers: F**k You   Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:13:35 AM PDT&lt;br&gt;Katharine Weymouth, publisher of the Washington Post, issued a &quot;Letter To Our Readers&quot; mea culpa for the now infamous &quot;pay to play&quot; or &quot;access of evil&quot; invitation to lobbyists and powerbrokers at Ms. Weymouth&#039;s own home. Apparently someone in the Post&#039;s marketing department sent out this invitation with proper authorization -- what a cheeky fellow, offering the Publishers own home for parties without her knowledge! Of course, Ms. Weymouth never says she was unaware that the event would be held at her own home. Nor does she tell us she was unaware that the price for attending such soiree was $25,000 and up, a sum certain to assure the event would not be overrun with riffraff.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, very little is clear in Ms. Weymouth&#039;s letter to her readers. The letter&#039;s studied, exquisitely crafted ambiguity is the hallmark of legal drafting (we lawyers don&#039;t &quot;write&quot;, we &quot;draft&quot;) and there can be no doubt that Ms. Weymouth&#039;s letter was the work of her lawyers. Of course, Ms. Weymouth is counting on the fact that newspaper readers will read this letter with a reader&#039;s eye, not a lawyer&#039;s eye.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me lend you one lawyer&#039;s eye, and give you a lawyer&#039;s takeaway on Ms. Weymouth&#039;s letter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/5/8212/23289?detail=f&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/5/8212/232...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katharine Weymouth to WaPo Readers: F**k You  <br />by Thomas C [Subscribe] <br /> Share this on Twitter &#8211; Katharine Weymouth to WaPo Readers: F**k You   Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:13:35 AM PDT<br />Katharine Weymouth, publisher of the Washington Post, issued a &#8220;Letter To Our Readers&#8221; mea culpa for the now infamous &#8220;pay to play&#8221; or &#8220;access of evil&#8221; invitation to lobbyists and powerbrokers at Ms. Weymouth&#39;s own home. Apparently someone in the Post&#39;s marketing department sent out this invitation with proper authorization &#8212; what a cheeky fellow, offering the Publishers own home for parties without her knowledge! Of course, Ms. Weymouth never says she was unaware that the event would be held at her own home. Nor does she tell us she was unaware that the price for attending such soiree was $25,000 and up, a sum certain to assure the event would not be overrun with riffraff.</p>
<p>In fact, very little is clear in Ms. Weymouth&#39;s letter to her readers. The letter&#39;s studied, exquisitely crafted ambiguity is the hallmark of legal drafting (we lawyers don&#39;t &#8220;write&#8221;, we &#8220;draft&#8221;) and there can be no doubt that Ms. Weymouth&#39;s letter was the work of her lawyers. Of course, Ms. Weymouth is counting on the fact that newspaper readers will read this letter with a reader&#39;s eye, not a lawyer&#39;s eye.</p>
<p>Let me lend you one lawyer&#39;s eye, and give you a lawyer&#39;s takeaway on Ms. Weymouth&#39;s letter.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/5/8212/23289?detail=f" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/5/8212/232.." rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/5/8212/232..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the first family leaves for Russia&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-06-voa2.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-06-voa2.cfm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the first family leaves for Russia</p>
<p><a href="http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-06-voa2.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-06-voa2.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/afternoon-open-thread-85/comment-page-2/#comment-229042</link>
		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2009/07/palins-resignation-proud-to-be-trash.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2009/07/palins-resi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Palin. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Proud to be Trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2009/07/palins-resignation-proud-to-be-trash.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2009/07/palins-resi.." rel="nofollow">http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2009/07/palins-resi..</a>.</p>
<p>Palin. </p>
<p>Proud to be Trash.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone said she was inDEED younger than his oldest son.  I do not know how true that is, but if his wife was his childhood sweetheart, and he had kids real young...that explains a WHOLE lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone said she was inDEED younger than his oldest son.  I do not know how true that is, but if his wife was his childhood sweetheart, and he had kids real young&#8230;that explains a WHOLE lot.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,the waitress told everybody her BF gave her the vehicle. And the police said it was registered to her and McNair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,the waitress told everybody her BF gave her the vehicle. And the police said it was registered to her and McNair.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/afternoon-open-thread-85/comment-page-2/#comment-229033</link>
		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivian Thomas, who was the first to perform palliative cardiac surgery on blue babies syndorme in the 1840s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Daniel Hale Williams, was the first doctor to perform open heart surgery in the 1890s. He also happened to be black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivian Thomas, who was the first to perform palliative cardiac surgery on blue babies syndorme in the 1840s.</p>
<p>Daniel Hale Williams, was the first doctor to perform open heart surgery in the 1890s. He also happened to be black.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see where she winds up in 10 years.</description>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant what I said about property.  That&#039;s pretty much what marriage in the legal sense is.   There&#039;s a reason why you have to file your marriage with the government and it ain&#039;t about love.  It&#039;s about money and property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant what I said about property.  That&#39;s pretty much what marriage in the legal sense is.   There&#39;s a reason why you have to file your marriage with the government and it ain&#39;t about love.  It&#39;s about money and property.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I somewhat agree with this based on his being known as a good father and spouse. He had a &#039;southern gentleman&#039; reputation.  Perhaps, his good manners and such, were his downfall. He didn&#039;t know how to pick a woman who would go for the okeydoke. He wound up with a woman whose cultural values did not allow her to be dismissed like she was his plaything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somewhat agree with this based on his being known as a good father and spouse. He had a &#39;southern gentleman&#39; reputation.  Perhaps, his good manners and such, were his downfall. He didn&#39;t know how to pick a woman who would go for the okeydoke. He wound up with a woman whose cultural values did not allow her to be dismissed like she was his plaything.</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did anyone else see Cynthia Tucker bitchslap Caribou Barbie on This Week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did anyone else see Cynthia Tucker bitchslap Caribou Barbie on This Week?</p>
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		<title>By: RobM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROTFLMBAO&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFLMBAO<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8</a></p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did McNair put her up in a condo?. I beleive,the condo was owned by him and McNeely. The woman had an apt. That was hers based on her salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did McNair put her up in a condo?. I beleive,the condo was owned by him and McNeely. The woman had an apt. That was hers based on her salary.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the name of the event so I can look it up on C-span and watch it.</description>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/07/afternoon-open-thread-85/comment-page-2/#comment-229018</link>
		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of what you say Myth, cept..I think it is time for Biden to speak up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is time to say that Bush put us in a far deeper and bigger hole than they imagined.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These folks are already trying to hold Obama accountable for this economy after six months and it is time to start pushing back and saying WHOAH...we had no idea this situation was an economic FUBAR...we thought it was a snafu...but turns out it is FUBAR.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one, not even the experts were as pessimistic as they needed to me, and we were wrong to have been so optimistic about how catastrophic the economic policies of GW Bush were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of what you say Myth, cept..I think it is time for Biden to speak up.</p>
<p>It is time to say that Bush put us in a far deeper and bigger hole than they imagined.</p>
<p>These folks are already trying to hold Obama accountable for this economy after six months and it is time to start pushing back and saying WHOAH&#8230;we had no idea this situation was an economic FUBAR&#8230;we thought it was a snafu&#8230;but turns out it is FUBAR.</p>
<p>No one, not even the experts were as pessimistic as they needed to me, and we were wrong to have been so optimistic about how catastrophic the economic policies of GW Bush were.</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who heads up Judiciary if Conyers goes?</description>
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