Jack & Jill Politics

How convenient that Gibson let the Bushie have the final question with only 3 seconds left in the program. And no questions about the public option?

Disney/ABC....WE SEE YOU.

I forced myself to stay up for the town hall meeting. The general question that was asked several different ways was, will I or my family members be able to control the level of medical treatment under the government plan, (such as who will decide the termination of medical treatment). The president was not really able to answer this question because he can't. Americans have never really come to grips with end of life issues. I work in the medical profession and you would be surprised how much money is spent in the ICU on patients that are dead on life-support, or patients that have receive all that medicine can offer for a terminal illness but are still treated as though they are in the first stages of the disease with much of the cost being absorbed by the hospital.

It would be a mistake to believe the government healthcare plan would not limit the degree of medical treatment and even determine if medical treatment is warranted. I will give you an example. A patient with end stage chronic obstructive pulmonary disease who has repeat hospital visits for respiratory failure and mechanical ventilation. As it stands at this point, the doctors will do all to revive and sustain this individual knowing his life expectancy is slim. The cost of medication, oxygen and 3-5 week stays in the hospital are enormous. Under the governmental healthcare plan, I foresee a team of doctors concluding the extraneous and repetitive treatment is not conducive to the quality of life and should be terminated. Can Americans deal with the change?

Can you control the level of treatment under a privately insured plan? No. Insurance companies and doctors decide on the termination of medical treament whether they inform the patient and family expressly or not.

Anybody up!?

Just happened across. CHECK this shit out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31532924/ns/us_news...

NBC News
updated 5:44 p.m. MT, Wed., June 24, 2009

Pete Williams - Justice correspondent

WASHINGTON - The FBI has arrested one of the nation's most provocative white supremacists, the host of an Internet talk show and Web site, for saying that three federal judges should be killed.

Hal Turner, 47, was arrested Wednesday at his home in North Bergen, N.J., and accused of posting statements on his Web site calling for the murder of three federal appeals court judges in Chicago who recently ruled on a gun rights case.

"Let me be the first to say this plainly: these Judges deserve to be killed." He included their pictures, phone numbers, work address and room numbers along with a photo of the courthouse in which they work and a map of its location, the FBI says.

Way to go, Hal.

I hope they put him in general population with notorious drug lords.

yeah a night in Rikers, a night in Graterford and a night in Cook county the Fedds will know all there is to know about these hate organizations.

isnt that Hannity's good friend?

Charlie Gibson STILL sucks. I'm surprised Obama didn't learn his lesson from the debate.

That's what I was thinking, too. I could only watch fifteen minutes of it because Gibson was pissing me off. Did they ever have any patients ask questions? From what I saw it was only healthcare professionals grilling the prez.

oh, it's airing here now. They're on the AETNA guy

Hey a sista with a great question! Finally!!!

Uh oh. Bev Smith is talking about that NY Magazine piece about Martha's Vineyard.

where? what did she say??

I'm listening to her on my local Black talk radio station. She is going OFF!

can you listen online?

Nevermind, found it. LMAO@ calling Rush "the fat boy"

Charlie Gibson is killing me...

well then I'm glad it's not airing here

I know, what is the purpose of having 164 people there? Charlie keeps asking all the questions himself and not letting PBO answer.

Pastor Hattfield the fade went out of style in the 90s.

What we need to solve our healthcare problem:

1. Single payer system
2. Control cost with ability to negotiate costs with hospitals and pharma companies
3. Promote evidence based medicine- if its not evidence based then its very expensive and you must pay out of pocket if you want it
4. Reform tort system so medical malpractice premiums arent sky high
5. Make doctors salaried
6. Limit the tuitions at medical schools ie use the state school systems as models

Great, except three. Evidence based is wonderful, when there is evidence, however evidence has to be collected so if ppl can only use it by paying out of pocket, the likelihood of obtaining evidence is slim.

Actually one could use the National Institute of Health ( NIH) for comparative effectiveness research and in the absence of evidence-based research you could gather expert panels that would come up with consensus guidelines. Further, the FDA could be instructed to add an additional phase of research before a new drug or device is allowed on to the market. Its absolutely possible to do this where there is political will. The only people who would be against this are special interests that profit from completely non-rational medical practices.




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Umm it still weak and still trying to scare us away from the public option.

They are doing more questions for The President on Nightline right now.

Seinfield is on here

And damn right, cut off the insurance companies government subsidies.

Fucking A! Enough of the double dipping from their greedy asses.

What the hell with all of the commercials? That was only 30 minutes and not one uninsured person was able to ask a question.

THANK YOU! It was all about the doctors. Eff them! What about us?

Nope, not one. Some guy who had insurance shared his fears about "big fucking brother". What a crock!

If he were concerned about big brother, he wouldn't be sitting in the East Room of the White House.

You don't walk through the door of the White House unless you've had a background check and clearance.

I just love you tonight!! You are so spot on.

That was a waste of time, I should have finished watching America's Got Talent. I'm not watching Nightline.

Oh come on. The local news here in Minnesota is reporting the program was one-sided.

Maybe we'll get to hear from the uninsured on Nightline. You know after everyone's gone to bed or swithced channels.

ANOTHER BREAK!?!?!?!?!

It's like 2 minutes of him answering ONE question and then 5 minutes of commercials. What a crock.

My eyes!!! I am blind. Whats up with the Gatorade shirt! Good question though

LOL!

This Town hall is totally weak. I am not impressed. Can we actually get some people who know what they are talking about asking questions??? Havent these questions been asked a million times?

How many times can the Pres say "If you like your healthcare you can keep it". I changed my mind. I guess this is good for the uninformed who are afraid of "socialism", Uncle Sam in the room and "public options". How come no one has asked if seniors feel if Uncle Sam is preventing them from getting good health care. Argghhh I really get ornery about these health care discussions cause too often people are acting knee jerk and not from facts.

That was a waste of my time. The REAL townhalls he does are MUCH better.

Agree. It's blatantly clear these folks are regurgitating the same tired ass lines. That means you Diane Sawyer and Charlie Gibson. ABC just wanted some attention because NBC got to report from the White House.

At least President Obama gets to speak about healthcare to the American people. ARGGGGH!! I hate the MSM talking heads and so-called journalist

You know, if they didn't take so many COMMERICAL BREAKS they could have probably fit the whole thing in the hour. Obama answers ONE question and it's time for another commercial break. SMH

I've seen the commercials for Garnier. They just got busted.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...

Did Charlie Gibson just tell Obama he shouldn't insure the uninsured because then more people will be going to the doctor? WTF? This program might as well be on FAUX. And where the hell are the REGULAR people. The PRESIDENT of the AMA? Seriously? Ugh.

Who chose this audience the Media or the President? The doctors were asking loaded questions that would discourage having a public option.

Charlie is a PRICK! the people aren't upset about gubment insurance. What "poeple Charlie?

Congressional republicans

Ditto.

We see you, Gutless Gibson.

I've been flipping the channel during commercials. Who are ABC's sponsors? That might give us some clues.

I actually like the fact that he's answering tough questions. It gives this thing far more validity.

The commercial breaks do suck though.

I don't want softballs, but I also don't want the interest groups getting all of the questions. He's answered the same question like 3 times.

How many fucking times does PBO have to tell these idiots that if they are satisfied with their healthcare, they don't need to change their plans?

That mantra of worrying about "big brother," is a right wing/libetarian talking point.

Clearly these people aren't listening to the words that are coming out of his mouth.

COMMERCIAL BREAKS? They couldn't afford to go one full hour without them? They know Obama doesn't DO short answers.

am I foul for watching Clean House? I love Miss neicy

I wish I could get somebody to clean my house!!! LOLOL

Anybody got a link to ABC and Pres O?

Try this link- It's broken into segments.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/story...

Gotta pack for my DC trip. Anyone live-blogging the healthcare thing on ABC. I'm gonna bring my laptop and try to get some intrneting done.

Mayo Clinic is the best, and if any of my family ever needed serious medical treatment, that's where I'd encourage them to get treatment. Been there and it's top notch!

Is it just me, or should ABC just leave the questioning to the regular citizens?

I think the questions come from the folks in the room. Charles the 'chump" Gibson and Diane are moderating.

No, they are going to be asking questions too.

And are they only going to let doctors ask questions? Even if they do, they are still better than the MSM questions.

I am a doctor and I am sick of doctors asking questions. Too many of these docs are sold out AMA shills.

Look at the single payer systems in other countries. Government isnt in the room saying you cant prescribe this drug. The system gives limits and if people want something they pay for it or take a trip to go where they can get what they want!!!

I'm a retired nurse, and I know how some of these shills operate.

No one has asked about single payer option yet.

Bottom line. It's all about the benjamins.

I wish some one from the NMA would stand up. Cause unlike the AMA the NMA supports a single payer option. I am from Massachusetts and at first I was all excited about the plan for universal insurance. It was an experiment but it failed cause it doesnt address the underlying issues of access and cost. The insurance companies are still making money hand over fist providing care that saves them money but doesnt make anybody healthier. The health insurance model is a failure. Health is not like getting a car- and we shouldnt use the same crazy ass model that we use when you get in a fenderbender.




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What's lacking is POLITICL WILL. Aint that the truth.

evening folks, hanging out until Obama healthcare program gets underway. Anyone here on twitter? If so holla at me @HopeChat

Urban Gardeners here is an organization that promotes the raising of chickens for food and eggs in the cities. They work closely w/ senior citizen organizations and school children. This strikes me as a brillant idea for synergy.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=...

Please, check the lead level content of soil in urban (and suburban) farming! It only cost $20-30 for the test.

For Urban Gardeners, Lead Is a Concern - New York Times

(I know you are talking about chickens, but I thought this info was relevant...)

It reminds me of Mao's great leap forward.

During the Great Leap Forward everyone was carted out of the cities to work in the fields. I think you are looking for something else.

The Ensign affair - Fox News had Hampton’s letter earlier than it said

Fox News received Doug Hampton’s letter about Sen. John Ensign’s adulterous affair three days earlier than the network reported, according to information obtained exclusively by the Las Vegas Sun.

Fox said it didn’t receive the letter until June 15, when it arrived as an attachment to an e-mail. But FedEx tracking of a “priority envelope,” which a reliable source said contained the hard copy, shows it was delivered on the morning of June 12.

That would mean the national news organization had additional time to investigate and report Ensign’s affair before the senator’s own admission of the relationship with Hampton’s wife, who worked for the senator’s leadership political action committees.
Full Story: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/24/fox...

FedEx tracking slip
http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/pdfs/2009/06...

Oh really? Well we know Fox News is used as a cover for a bordello and is the GOP's Madame.

Protesters 'in new Iran clashes'
Wednesday, 24 June 2009 21:21 UK

Footage of a protest in Tehran, believed to be on Wednesday

Iranian riot police are reported to have clashed with demonstrators defying government decrees to stop street protests over disputed elections.

Eyewitness reports say there have been clashes near the parliament building in the capital Tehran, in the streets around Baharestan Square.

Reporting restrictions in Iran mean the BBC cannot verify the reports.

The new protests came hours after Iran's supreme leader said he would "not yield" over the election result.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei again said the result would stand, despite days of protests in which at least 17 people are reported to have died.


See map of central Tehran

The ayatollah has repeatedly demanded that the protests stop, but his calls have gone largely unheeded.

Witnesses told the Associated Press that police beat protesters with batons, fired tear gas and shot into the air to disperse the crowd on Wednesday.

Although some demonstrators fought police, others fled to another square about 2km (1.2 miles) to the north, the witnesses said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8117242.stm

Is Gov. Sanford's story Pres. Obama's fault yet?

Also, how is it known that his trips to Argentina have been to see a woman? I'm just askin...

If Obama didn't have such an "exotic" wife, Sanford would have never been tempted to try another flavor.

Give it a minute., isonoprize...... it wll be PBO's fault real soon.

Anything to try and distract from the healthcare bill.

The affair and the gossip around it is just silly fluff stuff, but it's not the real issue.

The real issue is that he left SC without turning the government over to his 2nd in command. The real investigation is who was in charge? If no one knew where he was, who was running the shop?

Just like the NJ gov who resigned after saying he was gay, I could care less who Sanford is sleeping with. In Sanford's case, I only care if we paid for his Argentinian hookup, just like I cared that NJ gov put his boyfriend on the payroll.

The hypocrisy of 'playing marriage' for the public while doing all of this is just lame. Hateful and lame.

Sigh...child psychologists will have jobs for the next few years...sigh...

Keep saying that!

What I care about is the children SC schools getting that stimulus money.... Ya know Ty'Sheoma Bethea.

So yes, I too would like to know if that mofo Sanford use his states tax dollars to go on his fuckfests?

Isn't it a bit ironic to have David Hasselhoff judging a TALENT competition?

Don't hassle the Hoff.

LOL...its like having Mark Sanford judge a "Father of the Year" contest.

It's like having Dick Cheney decide the humanitarian of the year award

It's like having George W. Bush judging the Scripps National Spelling Bee.

Its like asking Sarah Palin what magazines and newspapers she reads!

It's like having Sarah Palin be an editor for a blog on international affairs.

It's like having John McCain be the poster boy for Coppertan Sun Tanning lotion.

It's like...

Aw fuck it, I can't top that one.

If anyone is buying a house grill the hell out of the appraiser. They over inflated on the way up and are under inflating on the way down.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/nar-namb-f...

This just popped up.
Fading of the Dollar's Dominance
Other Nations See Opening to Boost Their Currencies

I know we are in trouble. President Bush sold the country down the drain to loot and rob it for the very wealthy and large corporations by having extremely lax regulatory enforcements. It is so bad we have had to borrow over 2trillion dollars to stabilize the financial system alone.

The very wealthy recognize that this amount of borrowing and proposals for the future mean that the value of their wealth is being diminished. It is why there is all the fuss about inflation.

The problem is you can get around inflation by holding assets like oil, gold, wheat and rare industrial metals. In a disaster they become hard to manage and move. That is why people like banks and currency.

For banks and currencies to be effective people have to believe that they will receive their money when they want it. If you can find another country right now where you believe that can happen let me know. In ten years let me know.

So the real issue is to keep the wealthy from losing their minds by trying to transfer their wealth into the assets mentioned earlier. Again we control the means. You really going to buy a oil contract in Russia or even England and expect to take delivery if you end up jacking up the price of oil beyond what their economy can tolerate . It is why you see the PRC buying up the companies or making deals in Africa and Asia w/ the national company. But outside of the elites hiding the money w/ them(and it is in dollars) do you see the currency being convertible even in the nex ten years?

So start ignoring this talk unless you see another country having a rule of law like ours.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

I have often suspected that the Bush administration favored a soft dollar in order to boost exports.

The President will be on ABC tonight from 10 - 11 pm EST, answering questions about Healthcare from the American people.

Yeah right. Likely more prearranged softballs and sad stories that fit the agenda of government controlled healthcare. America should be able to offer reasonable health care solutions to all its citizens......lets talk about what's reasonable. No one has yet, so I will be paying attention tonight to see if this is the start of something good.

I guess you preffer insurance controlled healthcare. If the private sector had a way to offer affordable healthcare to all of it's citizens it would have done so by now. They've had 30 years to come up with an answer. Their time is up.

Try to keep up, will ya.

"prearranged softballs and sad stories"

Rash? Klannity? who's there?

This ain't Bush, kid. Obama doesn't do softball interviews

Ah, yes, this is the even the RNC has been whining about, right?