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By: rikyrah

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By: isonprize

isonprize — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:46:03 +0000

Don't even get me started. We were a Chevy family. My daddy drove that pea green Caprice Classic, the 'workin' black man's cadillac' -- the back in the '70s.

But then, that first (in my memory) gas crisis hit in the early 80s. We needed a second car. My dad was driving a long distance to a night job. He got a new VW rabbit. My neighbor got a new car, I think it was a Chrysler.

As a teenager, it didn't take me long to figure out that I didn't want to ever buy an American car. Later, I had a neighbor who bought a Ford the same year I bought my first Nissan. Confirmed my "teenage" thinking. I can't count the times I took her to work 'cause her car was 'in the shop.'

GM never built cars that stayed out of the shop and were fuel efficient. Dumb, just dumb.

By: RobM

RobM — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:32:44 +0000

I haven't said much about the Big 3 crisis because it boils down to companies that made products that were only profitable in certain situations; i.e. cheap fuel. In this regard we are all to blame. Add to this situation a cost structure that was rarely adjusted at either end, franchise laws that could only be addressed in bankruptcy(the next time a Republican yells socialism tell him to look at your states franchise laws) and short sighted pension policies(watch where the budget in your local government goes to) it was simply a matter of time till it crashed.
Now the devil is given his due and since the devil is all of us, we are supporting C and GM(if the Ford family turns that company around w/o bankruptcy protection they will be the pre-eminent industrialists of our times) w/ tax dollars the question is will it succeed? No one knows but these things need to be addressed; the managment and the economy.
I didn't mention labor because the situation is such that there is no longer a difference between the two. The management can design the greatest procedures and product ever seen but if the product is poorly built they both lose. So input has to come from both sides. With much of the healthcare costs coming out of advances in the new GM stock, especially w/ regard to pensioners labor has every incentive to build the best damn car across the segment line. From a strictly management view the divisions will be like Toyota; Lexus Toyota Scion or luxury middle class youth.
the only pie in the sky idea I have is move all the execs(union and mangement) out of Detroit and Michigan; they're inbred and it shows.
The economy is Janus as well. GM will have to match what the public wants w/ the publics pocket book. Short of a $2/g tax on gasoline and w/ the money going to public transportation(you pick because you know what your town needs) small cars are never going to be the consumers choice. So every thing has to be a perfect fit. Given that they are starting behind the eight ball everything in inventory should be at a fire sale to raise cash when the new models arrive(there are plenty of models I'd drive for cheap over the next couple of years).
The effect on the overall economy is a little easier to conceptualize. Imagine all your rubber duckies in a swimming pool. each duck represents a facet of what GM and C manufactoring means to the economy; steel, aluminum, plastic, paper, oil, gasoline, electricity food service, healthcare, et al. Now start drilling holes big enough for the ducks to float out. Then keep drilling more holes at different levels but not at the very bottom. Many of the ducks are soon outside of the pool. The rest floating that is the new GM and C.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:07:48 +0000

Indeed.

By: bigassbelle

bigassbelle — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:01:17 +0000

Another successful step in the ongoing right wing effort to complete destroy the unions. I didn't hear a thing about salary concessions from those at the top of the GM heap, but the union has scraped to the bone to try to accommodate and to keep GM in operation. The workers built what they were told. I blame management for this in entirety. Too bad they don't suffer like the workers.

By: MsKitty

MsKitty — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:26:18 +0000

It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted, cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and were exceedingly comfortable to drive. Oh — and that wouldn’t start falling apart after two years.

Makes me think back to the time that my friend's 3 year old Pontiac Sunbird caught fire on the NJ Parkway. The engine blowing up was just the culmination of problems she had from the time she drove it off the lot, basically having to take it to the garage for repairs every other month. Funny how things like that would scare people off from buying another GM car.

By: rikyrah

rikyrah — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:08:29 +0000

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By: isonprize

isonprize — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:46:03 +0000

Don't even get me started. We were a Chevy family. My daddy drove that pea green Caprice Classic, the 'workin' black man's cadillac' -- the back in the '70s.

But the that first (in my memory) gas crisis hit in the early 80s. We needed a second car. My dad was driving a long distance to a night job. He got a new VW rabbit. My neighbor got a new card, I think it was a Chrysler.

As a teenager, it didn't take me long to figure out that I didn't want to ever buy an American car. Later, I had a neighbor who bought a Ford the same year I bought my first Nissan. Confirmed my "teenage" thinking. I can't count the times I took her to work 'cause her car was 'in the shop.'

GM never built cars that stayed out of the shop and were fuel efficient. Dumb, just dumb.

By: RobM

RobM — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:32:44 +0000

I haven't said much about the big 3 crisis because it boils down to three companies that made products that were only profitable in certain situations; i.e. cheap fuel. In this regard we are all to blame. Add to this situation a cost structure that was rarely adjusted at either end, franchise laws that could only be addressed in bankruptcy(the next time a Republican yells socialism tell him to look at your states franchise laws) and short sighted pension policies(watch where the budget in your local government goes to) it was simply a matter of time till it crashed.
Now the devil is given his due and since it is all of us we are supporting C and GM(if the Ford family turns that company around w/o bankruptcy protection they will be the pre-eminent industrialists of our times) w/ tax dollars the question is will it succeed? No one knows but these things need to be addressed; the managment and the economy.
I didn;t mention labor because the situation is such that there is no longer a difference between the two. The management can design the greatest procedures and product ever seen but if the product is poorly built they both lose. so input has to come from both sides. With much of the healthcare costs coming out of advances in the new GM stock, especially w/ regard to pensioners labor has every incentive to build the best damn car across the segment line. From a strictly management view the divisions will be like Toyota; Lexus Toyota Scion or luxury middle class youth.
the only pie in the sky idea I have is move all the execs out of Detroit and Michigan; their inbred and it shows.
The economy is Janus as well. GM will have to match what the public wants w/ the publics pocket book. Short of a $2/g tax on gasoline and w/ the money going to public transportation(you pick because you know what your town needs) small cars are never going to be the consumers choice. So every thing as to be a perfect fit. Given that they are starting behind the eight ball everything in inventory should be at a fire sale to raise cash when the new models arrive(there are plenty of models I'd drive for cheap over the next couple of years).
The effect on the overall economy is a little easier to conceptualize. Imagine all your rubber duckies in a swimming pool. each duck represents a facet of what GM and C manufactoring means to the economy; steel, aluminum, plastic, paper, oil, gasoline, electricity food service, healthcare, et al. Now start drilling holes big enough for the ducks to float out. Then keep drilling more holes at different levels but not at the very bottom. Many of the ducks are soon outside of the pool. The rest floating that is the new GM and C.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:07:48 +0000

Indeed.

By: bigassbelle

bigassbelle — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:01:17 +0000

By: MsKitty

MsKitty — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:26:18 +0000

It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted, cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and were exceedingly comfortable to drive. Oh — and that wouldn’t start falling apart after two years.

Makes me think back to the time that my friend's 3 year old Pontiac Sunbird caught fire on the NJ Parkway. The engine blowing up was just the culmination of problems she had from the time she drove it off the lot, basically having to take it to the garage for repairs every other month. Funny how that would scare people off from buying another GM car.

By: RonnieB

RonnieB — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:07:14 +0000

Hey, I've seen everyday people go through the humiliation of bankruptcy. So I can't quite get worked up about GM (or Chrysler) getting “red carpet” bankruptcy treatment by the government.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:42:34 +0000

Wow…the home of the Caddy….stand, bow head, raise fist…long live the HOG.

By: rikyrah

rikyrah — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:35:19 +0000

AFTERNOON OPEN THREAD IS UP!!

By: isonprize

isonprize — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:16:58 +0000

“We have to do with the past only as we can make it useful to the present and the future.” Frederick Douglass