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As GLH would say, “Let the choich say Amen!”

My thing is the folks who are doing the advocating for those rights. I'm not against these guys, neither blind trust in their motives.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but somehow the timing feels off to me. In the end, it will be what it will be.

Fear is a condenser and love an expander. Love for freedom trumps fear.

I understand why you're concerned about your gay friends and want to support them. If I were in Craig's shoes, there would definitely be concern about having my marriage invalidated by a Supreme Court decision.

But the way America works through these issues is slow and lethargic, “one step forward–two steps back.” And there is nothing worse (in my estimation) than letting fear prevent progress.

Fear is why it took nearly 100 years between 1865 and 1964 before African Americans achieved true civil rights in this country. The courage of a Frederick Douglass or Harriet Tubman did not reveal itself again until Rosa Parks and MLK Jr. took on their own crosses.

When Douglass escaped to the North, he could've just kept his mouth shut and enjoyed his freedom. Tubman only needed to take one ride on the Underground Railroad. Instead, she took 13 trips.

Now is not the time to fear losing rights. Folks in states (such as Maine) where they have the right to marry regardless of their sexual orientation should not become complacent.

PS: I still don't know what WRB was trying to say; her line of reasoning is WAY beyond my ability to comprehend–dayum near, 100% alien to me.

As GLH would say, “Let the choich say Amen!”

My thing is the folks who are doing the advocating for those rights. I'm not against these guys, neither blind trust in their motives.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but somehow the timing feels off to me. In the end, it will be what it will be.

Fear is a condenser and love an expander. Love for freedom trumps fear.

I understand why you're concerned about your gay friends and want to support them. If I were in Craig's shoes, there would definitely be concern about having my marriage invalidated by a Supreme Court decision.

But the way America works through these issues is slow and lethargic, “one step forward–two steps back.” And there is nothing worse (in my estimation) than letting fear prevent progress.

Fear is why it took nearly 100 years between 1865 and 1964 before African Americans achieved true civil rights in this country. The courage of a Frederick Douglass or Harriet Tubman did not reveal itself again until Rosa Parks and MLK Jr. took on their own crosses.

When Douglass escaped to the North, he could've just kept his mouth shut and enjoyed his freedom. Tubman only needed to take one ride on the Underground Railroad. Instead, she took 13 trips.

Now is not the time to fear losing rights. Folks in states (such as Maine) where they have the right to marry regardless of their sexual orientation should not become complacent.

PS: I still don't know what WRB was trying to say; her line of reasoning is WAY beyond by ability to comprehend–dayum near, 100% alien to me.

I have many gay friends and support them in their choices when it comes to this issue. Some of their stories are heart rending.

While some of my initial hesitancy may come from emotion, I think I'll wait and see where these two men go with their advocacy.

P.S. I see you and WRB are having a spirited discussion!

Have a great weekend, Webb. :-)))

This “strategy” breaks foul wind in the face of why we bring any case to the supreme court: constitutionality.

I'm sure King, as a scholar, was cognizant of the other Civil Rights Act – the 1875 one which was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court – and the nearly uncut influence on those who held power and decision-making that remained through 1964.

Our method is to put it to the court – in season and out of season and then to abide by it per rule of law, arming for the next challenge if we disagree.

“I have a dream that one day down in Alabama with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.”

He dreamed and worked at the same time, not waiting on any favorable condition.

I said that Boies record was irrelevant to his being effective.

I refuse to break down the part on marriage and gays. You may want to learn more about the purpose and role of marriage in society.

You know, research facts on the sociologic import and legal REASONING that society provided benefits to individuals to marry.

Here's a hint: individuals LOSE rights when they marry.

That is your bar! You think cause he has a record of wins he's effective. I do not. His ARGUMENTS are SPECIOUS. (look for specificity there and you might find it) Before you jump into the lake.

Everything you cited is just generic, good-ole boy, racism. You did not provide a single, SPECIFIC reason for why Boies would be ineffective.

No. Read it again until you comprehend the point. Gays marrying do not benefit society whatsoever.

Make your mind up whiterosebuddy–did you NOT say, “the purpose of society and why society gives benefits to those who choose to RESTRICT their rights as INDIVIDUALS by engaging in matrimony for the BENEFIT of society. “

Are homosexuals not individuals? These are your own words.