Comments on: Evening Open Thread http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:09:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: penis growth infohttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-539628 penis growth info Wed, 20 Apr 2011 04:43:47 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-539628 <strong>make your penis harder...</strong>[...Natural erectile early dysfunction pills are the best remedy to help you get over erectile problems. Such pills are packed with powerful herbs and other nutrients that not only ensure rock solid erections but also give a boost to your staying power... make your penis harder…

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]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-339765 CraigHickman Sat, 16 May 2009 01:07:40 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-339765 No, AM2k9, I'm not missing the point at all.<br><br>We just don't agree about how to go about ensuring that the full of extent of the law is applied to those who broke it.<br><br>ONLY those prosecuting the war crimes NEED to see those pictures.<br><br>Maybe even the families of those who have been tortured may NEED to see them in order to heal.<br><br>Other folks may WANT to see them, but want and need are not the same thing. <br><br>There's more than one way to skin a cat.<br><br>No one will convince me that those photos NEED to be released publicly in order to bring the criminals to justice.<br><br>That said, they WILL come out, and we all know it.<br><br>Some have already been leaked. A few just today.<br><br>I'm just not interested in our nation undoing itself anymore than it already has.<br><br>That's my story and I'm sticking to it. No, AM2k9, I'm not missing the point at all.

We just don't agree about how to go about ensuring that the full of extent of the law is applied to those who broke it.

ONLY those prosecuting the war crimes NEED to see those pictures.

Maybe even the families of those who have been tortured may NEED to see them in order to heal.

Other folks may WANT to see them, but want and need are not the same thing.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

No one will convince me that those photos NEED to be released publicly in order to bring the criminals to justice.

That said, they WILL come out, and we all know it.

Some have already been leaked. A few just today.

I'm just not interested in our nation undoing itself anymore than it already has.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

]]> By: Sepiahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-339762 Sepia Sat, 16 May 2009 00:48:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-339762 As a matter of fact, Al has criticized Obama. He called him out for how he answered a question about legalizing marijuana. He has criticized him on Mexico. He has said that he doesn't trust politicians and that includes PBO. Guess what? I still read and recommend his blog. <br><br>The difference between Al and the Poutrage (TM) Brigade is that his commentary is well thoughout. He doesn't fall back on histrionics like "Obama is covering for Bush!" or "Obama's a crook!". I don't mind criticism, but when you a) only criticize and b) resort to accusing Obama of being like Bush/sellout/crook/shady...etc. just because he does something you (in general) don't like, then you lose me. <br><br>When has Joan Walsh been loved? She may get a prop point for defending Wanda Sykes, but folks still remember her bullshit during the primary when she falsely accused Bob Herbert of being sexist and the other crap she pulled in the name of white female solidarity. As a matter of fact, Al has criticized Obama. He called him out for how he answered a question about legalizing marijuana. He has criticized him on Mexico. He has said that he doesn't trust politicians and that includes PBO. Guess what? I still read and recommend his blog.

The difference between Al and the Poutrage (TM) Brigade is that his commentary is well thoughout. He doesn't fall back on histrionics like “Obama is covering for Bush!” or “Obama's a crook!”. I don't mind criticism, but when you a) only criticize and b) resort to accusing Obama of being like Bush/sellout/crook/shady…etc. just because he does something you (in general) don't like, then you lose me.

When has Joan Walsh been loved? She may get a prop point for defending Wanda Sykes, but folks still remember her bullshit during the primary when she falsely accused Bob Herbert of being sexist and the other crap she pulled in the name of white female solidarity.

]]> By: Plantsmantxhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-339761 Plantsmantx Sat, 16 May 2009 00:19:11 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-339761 Come on, now. When some of these people (white liberal bloggers, I mean) say things I don't like, or I strongly disagree with them on something, it can irk me. I won't deny that. But the hysterical condemnations I see here all the time are just...I don't know, LOL. The pendulum swings back and forth wildly. Take Joan Walsh, for instance- hated, loved, and now hated again. At some point, Obama is going to say or do something that Al Giordano will take strong exception to, then he'll be talked about as if he has two tails. Come on, now. When some of these people (white liberal bloggers, I mean) say things I don't like, or I strongly disagree with them on something, it can irk me. I won't deny that. But the hysterical condemnations I see here all the time are just…I don't know, LOL. The pendulum swings back and forth wildly. Take Joan Walsh, for instance- hated, loved, and now hated again. At some point, Obama is going to say or do something that Al Giordano will take strong exception to, then he'll be talked about as if he has two tails.

]]> By: Plantsmantxhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-339763 Plantsmantx Sat, 16 May 2009 00:10:23 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-339763 "What's the hurry?"<br><br>Hurry? The ACLU requested release of those photos way back in 2003, and have been trying to get them and other documents released since then. “What's the hurry?”

Hurry? The ACLU requested release of those photos way back in 2003, and have been trying to get them and other documents released since then.

]]> By: AM2k9http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-339764 AM2k9 Fri, 15 May 2009 23:40:19 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-339764 Craig: You're missing the point. This isnt about you, or about President Obama. This is about the rule of law and the inhumane treatment of HUMAN BEINGS at the hands of the US military tortures, in the name of our government. If you, Craig Hickman, are not interested in seeing the pictures, or having complete knowledge of what your government has been doing (though Im sure you werent outraged when the Obamin said they were going to release the pics....right?), then please respect the fact that there are others who want to see the full extent of the law applied to those who broke it. Craig: You're missing the point. This isnt about you, or about President Obama. This is about the rule of law and the inhumane treatment of HUMAN BEINGS at the hands of the US military tortures, in the name of our government. If you, Craig Hickman, are not interested in seeing the pictures, or having complete knowledge of what your government has been doing (though Im sure you werent outraged when the Obamin said they were going to release the pics….right?), then please respect the fact that there are others who want to see the full extent of the law applied to those who broke it.

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200668 CraigHickman Fri, 15 May 2009 21:07:40 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200668 No, AM2k9, I'm not missing the point at all.<br><br>We just don't agree about how to go about ensuring that the full of extent of the law is applied to those who broke it.<br><br>ONLY those prosecuting the war crimes NEED to see those pictures.<br><br>Maybe even the families of those who have been tortured may NEED to see them in order to heal.<br><br>Other folks may WANT to see them, but want and need are not the same thing. <br><br>There's more than one way to skin a cat.<br><br>No one will convince me that those photos NEED to be released publicly in order to bring the criminals to justice.<br><br>That said, they WILL come out, and we all know it.<br><br>Some have already been leaked. A few just today.<br><br>I'm just not interested in our nation undoing itself anymore than it already has.<br><br>That's my story and I'm sticking to it. No, AM2k9, I'm not missing the point at all.

We just don't agree about how to go about ensuring that the full of extent of the law is applied to those who broke it.

ONLY those prosecuting the war crimes NEED to see those pictures.

Maybe even the families of those who have been tortured may NEED to see them in order to heal.

Other folks may WANT to see them, but want and need are not the same thing.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

No one will convince me that those photos NEED to be released publicly in order to bring the criminals to justice.

That said, they WILL come out, and we all know it.

Some have already been leaked. A few just today.

I'm just not interested in our nation undoing itself anymore than it already has.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

]]> By: Sepiahttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200657 Sepia Fri, 15 May 2009 20:48:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200657 As a matter of fact, Al has criticized Obama. He called him out for how he answered a question about legalizing marijuana. He has criticized him on Mexico. He has said that he doesn't trust politicians and that includes PBO. Guess what? I still read and recommend his blog. <br><br>The difference between Al and the Poutrage (TM) Brigade is that his commentary is well thoughout. He doesn't fall back on histrionics like "Obama is covering for Bush!" or "Obama's a crook!". I don't mind criticism, but when you a) only criticize and b) resort to accusing Obama of being like Bush/sellout/crook/shady...etc. just because he does something you (in general) don't like, then you lose me. <br><br>When has Joan Walsh been loved? She may get a prop point for defending Wanda Sykes, but folks still remember her bullshit during the primary when she falsely accused Bob Herbert of being sexist and the other crap she pulled in the name of white female solidarity. As a matter of fact, Al has criticized Obama. He called him out for how he answered a question about legalizing marijuana. He has criticized him on Mexico. He has said that he doesn't trust politicians and that includes PBO. Guess what? I still read and recommend his blog.

The difference between Al and the Poutrage (TM) Brigade is that his commentary is well thoughout. He doesn't fall back on histrionics like “Obama is covering for Bush!” or “Obama's a crook!”. I don't mind criticism, but when you a) only criticize and b) resort to accusing Obama of being like Bush/sellout/crook/shady…etc. just because he does something you (in general) don't like, then you lose me.

When has Joan Walsh been loved? She may get a prop point for defending Wanda Sykes, but folks still remember her bullshit during the primary when she falsely accused Bob Herbert of being sexist and the other crap she pulled in the name of white female solidarity.

]]> By: Plantsmantxhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200635 Plantsmantx Fri, 15 May 2009 20:19:11 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200635 Come on, now. When some of these people (white liberal bloggers, I mean) say things I don't like, or I strongly disagree with them on something, it can irk me. I won't deny that. But the hysterical condemnations I see here all the time are just...I don't know, LOL. The pendulum swings back and forth wildly. Take Joan Walsh, for instance- hated, loved, and now hated again. At some point, Obama is going to say or do something that Al Giordano will take strong exception to, then he'll be talked about as if he has two tails. Come on, now. When some of these people (white liberal bloggers, I mean) say things I don't like, or I strongly disagree with them on something, it can irk me. I won't deny that. But the hysterical condemnations I see here all the time are just…I don't know, LOL. The pendulum swings back and forth wildly. Take Joan Walsh, for instance- hated, loved, and now hated again. At some point, Obama is going to say or do something that Al Giordano will take strong exception to, then he'll be talked about as if he has two tails.

]]> By: Plantsmantxhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200629 Plantsmantx Fri, 15 May 2009 20:10:23 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200629 "What's the hurry?"<br><br>Hurry? The ACLU requested release of those photos way back in 2003, and have been trying to get them and other documents released since then. “What's the hurry?”

Hurry? The ACLU requested release of those photos way back in 2003, and have been trying to get them and other documents released since then.

]]> By: AM2k9http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200608 AM2k9 Fri, 15 May 2009 19:40:19 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200608 Craig: You're missing the point. This isnt about you, or about President Obama. This is about the rule of law and the inhumane treatment of HUMAN BEINGS at the hands of the US military tortures, in the name of our government. If you, Craig Hickman, are not interested in seeing the pictures, or having complete knowledge of what your government has been doing (though Im sure you werent outraged when the Obamin said they were going to release the pics....right?), then please respect the fact that there are others who want to see the full extent of the law applied to those who broke it. Craig: You're missing the point. This isnt about you, or about President Obama. This is about the rule of law and the inhumane treatment of HUMAN BEINGS at the hands of the US military tortures, in the name of our government. If you, Craig Hickman, are not interested in seeing the pictures, or having complete knowledge of what your government has been doing (though Im sure you werent outraged when the Obamin said they were going to release the pics….right?), then please respect the fact that there are others who want to see the full extent of the law applied to those who broke it.

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200562 CraigHickman Fri, 15 May 2009 17:02:28 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200562 People challenge court orders all the time. Not all court orders are constitutional, either. I admit, I haven't been following this case that closely. I, personally, have no interested in seeing the photos. I don't see why Obama shouldn't challenge the court order if he thinks it's best to challenge it.<br><br>Once the Supreme Court decides, if it goes that far, then that will be that and Obama will do what he must. People challenge court orders all the time. Not all court orders are constitutional, either. I admit, I haven't been following this case that closely. I, personally, have no interested in seeing the photos. I don't see why Obama shouldn't challenge the court order if he thinks it's best to challenge it.

Once the Supreme Court decides, if it goes that far, then that will be that and Obama will do what he must.

]]> By: RobMhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200557 RobM Fri, 15 May 2009 16:49:14 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200557 he has raised plenty of money already. I thought his speeches had to be vetted in order for Her Royal Clinton to become Sec of State. The purpose of this was to avoid him acting like he could make or access policy. he has raised plenty of money already. I thought his speeches had to be vetted in order for Her Royal Clinton to become Sec of State. The purpose of this was to avoid him acting like he could make or access policy.

]]> By: RobMhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200554 RobM Fri, 15 May 2009 16:45:47 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200554 It's not that I do not believe theCIA can or is lying. It's Pelosi. When they briefings are given they go into the "cone of silence", sign papers that say they can't discuss it with anybody even the people in the cone unless it is within the cone. As Ta-Hehisi pointed out in his blog, it is not only politician blowing this it is ouselves and we're blowing it because when it comes down to "other" will accept anything to protect the "country".<br>Pelosi is found w/ dirty and wants to save herself politically It's not that I do not believe theCIA can or is lying. It's Pelosi. When they briefings are given they go into the “cone of silence”, sign papers that say they can't discuss it with anybody even the people in the cone unless it is within the cone. As Ta-Hehisi pointed out in his blog, it is not only politician blowing this it is ouselves and we're blowing it because when it comes down to “other” will accept anything to protect the “country”.
Pelosi is found w/ dirty and wants to save herself politically

]]> By: TruthSeekerhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200542 TruthSeeker Fri, 15 May 2009 16:31:51 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200542 What I took from that is how deceiving appearances are. Really, some people look down on minorities, and there they are pulling all kinds of scams. We shouldn't be stunned that the banks were stealing from poor black and brown people. What I took from that is how deceiving appearances are. Really, some people look down on minorities, and there they are pulling all kinds of scams. We shouldn't be stunned that the banks were stealing from poor black and brown people.

]]> By: carolinagirlhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200538 carolinagirl Fri, 15 May 2009 16:11:18 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200538 Damn, hopee. You better say that!! Can I copy and paste this everywhere like a certain robot poster who shall not be named? Damn, hopee. You better say that!! Can I copy and paste this everywhere like a certain robot poster who shall not be named?

]]> By: RobMhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200528 RobM Fri, 15 May 2009 15:35:21 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200528 The problem is he is changing the landscape for many of the decision because he changed it not that it changed underneath him. The problem is he is changing the landscape for many of the decision because he changed it not that it changed underneath him.

]]> By: whiterosebuddyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200516 whiterosebuddy Fri, 15 May 2009 15:01:06 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200516 O I loooved that story isonprize cause for once a fictional book gave retribution to the black man in the south after his daughter was brutally raped and he killed the perpetrators on the courthouse steps in broad daylight. A strong father defending his innocent girlchild who was traumatized for the rest of her life. But the jury was all white and he had killed two white men...vicious sadistic but nevertheless white men...and he was up against it. <br><br>The closing argument made the difference and he was freed!! O I loooved that story isonprize cause for once a fictional book gave retribution to the black man in the south after his daughter was brutally raped and he killed the perpetrators on the courthouse steps in broad daylight. A strong father defending his innocent girlchild who was traumatized for the rest of her life. But the jury was all white and he had killed two white men…vicious sadistic but nevertheless white men…and he was up against it.

The closing argument made the difference and he was freed!!

]]> By: RobMhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200514 RobM Fri, 15 May 2009 14:56:44 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200514 That is the hardest part of life figuring our whom your true friends are. That is the hardest part of life figuring our whom your true friends are.

]]> By: AM2k9http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/05/evening-open-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-200509 AM2k9 Fri, 15 May 2009 14:36:38 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=11383#comment-200509 Craig: I know that amidst the illegality of the last eight years this may sound a little bit radical....but a court ordered the government to release those photos a while back. I know that for conservatives the rule of law was whatever their "Dear Leader" Bush said or wanted.....that doesnt have to be the case with us and Obama. If those pictures are released, then there's no way that [another radical concept coming up here] prosecutions for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY could be staved off. Craig: I know that amidst the illegality of the last eight years this may sound a little bit radical….but a court ordered the government to release those photos a while back. I know that for conservatives the rule of law was whatever their “Dear Leader” Bush said or wanted…..that doesnt have to be the case with us and Obama. If those pictures are released, then there's no way that [another radical concept coming up here] prosecutions for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY could be staved off.

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