Jack & Jill Politics

I haven't been so disappointed by a person in a long time. He is in great position to stand up to the extremist that have taken over the party but instead he bows to them and on top of this acts like (and I can't believe I am about to type this after getting so upset about others using this word as CPL may recall) a damn coon. I can't think of any other word that better describes him and that saddens me. He is embarrassing and needs to go somewhere a sit down.

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pjamma: By 91 VOTES – - – the “GO-TO-COON!!” :>) :>)

As I've said B4, I'll bet those 91 VOTERS R HIDIN' OUT!! :>)

this would be too much like right. Saw him on The Ed Show tonight.

I have a cousin that had her Dental School paid for through a program like this. She spent 5 years in a poor border town down in Texas. But, once she was finished, she had her Dental Schools loans paid off.

It it goes to the Supreme Court and they rule against the government, then it's out of his hands. I think that the people screaming the loudest about this issue have to at some point acknowledge that the release of the pictures doesn't change the reality of what has occurred. I have not read any comments where people are saying that torture is a good thing and that the government was right, but I have read thoughtful comments that attempt to look at the issue in its entirety. Put it this way, we didn't see the pictures on Monday and we knew what happened and we didn't see them today and we still know what happened. The idea that we have to actually see the images to grasp what occurred is slightly illogical and if we're honest, the motivation is to prove what Bush/Cheney did, and I argue that there are ways to do that without releasing the images to the general public, here or abroad. In courtrooms all across this country people are convicted on circumstantial evidence without pictures or any other form of direct evidence. And where I part company with those in favor of releasing the documents is their attempt to portray Obama as a clone of Bush or a stooge of the military.

Now to your point about Obama cheerleaders descending on your comment: I am an unabashed supporter of the President and I respectfully reserve the right to disagree with him when I disagree with him. I will not, however, on this site or any other, speak about him disrespectfully because he has not earned my disrespect. I voted for Obama because I trusted his judgment and I will not throw him under the bus because he makes a decision that is contrary to what I think. There has been a tendency to treat Obama like he is the head of our local neighborhood watch rather than the President of the United States. Many have demanded that Obama think and act in a manner that is agreeable to them and they have followed these pronouncements with withdrawals of support over Warren, SOS Clinton, FISA, Geithner, Black Farmers, etc. His every move has been scrutinized to a ridiculous extent, so pardon me, if I choose not to pile on. I argue that Obama has always been a pragmatist and that's who he will continue to be and frankly after eight years of the ideologically driven Bush/Cheney administration, I want a President who is not so rigid in his thinking that he is unable to handle changing landscapes and/or unforeseen circumstances.

Lastly, there are many people who are just waiting to take Obama down because that is how the game is played and anyone who doesn't understand that the stakes for Obama (as the first black POTUS) are astronomical, is delusional. The media and the real people who are a threat to my values and ideals would love nothing more than for the left to cannibalize Obama and usher in Palin, Perry, or Sanford in 2012. The GOP has proven ineffectual in their effort to hurt Obama and I will be curious to see how willing the so-called left will be in ensuring that he is a one-term President. I have seen the shift since the election and it's the same cast of characters Sirota, Uygur, Hamsher, Greenwald, Maddow, Jon Stewart, et al. It is an old game that has always been used against successful blacks and Obama is not exempt. I'm not surprised by them but I am surprised by the willingness of some others to take every opportunity to slam this President and even more saddened by their unwillingness to even give him a chance.

Bump a hammer….. MALLET. MEET. NAIL.

I'm kinda torn. My initial reaction was the same as yours — homegirl is scrambling to save her ass. But on the other hand, the CIA's mouth ain't no prayer book.

You better say it often, say it loudly, say it everywhere.

Especially this:

I argue that Obama has always been a pragmatist and that's who he will continue to be and frankly after eight years of the ideologically driven Bush/Cheney administration, I want a President who is not so rigid in his thinking that he is unable to handle changing landscapes and/or unforeseen circumstances.

rikyrah, I know of a couple, one a real estate broker, the other a psychiatrist, who bought a HUGE mansion in a rich Boston suburb that they couldn't afford and damn sure didn't need. It's not like they rented out any of the rooms. In this mansion that used to be a monastery, they hosted big party after big party, including a huge New Year's Eve bash every year, and were the talk of the higher-ups in the social strata of the town.

I know of this couple because a few years ago a friend invited me to their home as his guest for one of their luncheons. Some French baron was in town so they wanted to make an impression.

It was all excessive.

I'm not that impressed by mansions. They're monstrous. They're oppressive. I enjoyed a few of the conversations I had with a few of the guests, but, by and large, I couldn't wait to get back to the farm.

Something just didn't feel right.

Last summer, my friend, who I hadn't talked to in a while, called me up to ask for a favor. It seemed that the real estate broker and the psychiatrist were in dire straits. I didn't listen to all the details, because when “rich” people are in financial trouble I simply roll my eyes. In this case, I half-listened with the phone between my shoulder and ear and went about the kitchen cooking whatever it was I was cooking.

He finally got around to that favor. He wanted me to create a bed and breakfast invoice for the real estate broker and the psychiatrist with a certain date on it so they could use it as evidence for an insurance fraud claim they were running on the company that held the policy on their Volvo. Can't say I remember all the details, but that's how desperately they needed money: they asked a friend of theirs to ask a friend of his, whom they'd only met ONCE, to be a party to insurance fraud.

Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention. On the way home from the French baron's lunch, my friend complained to me that the hosts never treated him with much “equality,” for lack of a better word, regarding the New Year's Eve bash. My friend, you see, is white, and while he and I had always just been friends, he usually dates Black men. The real estate broker and the psychiatrist never allowed him to bring a date to the bash.

I haven't spoken to my friend ever since that phone call last summer.

Craig: I know that amidst the illegality of the last eight years this may sound a little bit radical….but a court ordered the government to release those photos a while back. I know that for conservatives the rule of law was whatever their “Dear Leader” Bush said or wanted…..that doesnt have to be the case with us and Obama. If those pictures are released, then there's no way that [another radical concept coming up here] prosecutions for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY could be staved off.

O I loooved that story isonprize cause for once a fictional book gave retribution to the black man in the south after his daughter was brutally raped and he killed the perpetrators on the courthouse steps in broad daylight. A strong father defending his innocent girlchild who was traumatized for the rest of her life. But the jury was all white and he had killed two white men…vicious sadistic but nevertheless white men…and he was up against it.

The closing argument made the difference and he was freed!!

Damn, hopee. You better say that!! Can I copy and paste this everywhere like a certain robot poster who shall not be named?

It's not that I do not believe theCIA can or is lying. It's Pelosi. When they briefings are given they go into the “cone of silence”, sign papers that say they can't discuss it with anybody even the people in the cone unless it is within the cone. As Ta-Hehisi pointed out in his blog, it is not only politician blowing this it is ouselves and we're blowing it because when it comes down to “other” will accept anything to protect the “country”.
Pelosi is found w/ dirty and wants to save herself politically

People challenge court orders all the time. Not all court orders are constitutional, either. I admit, I haven't been following this case that closely. I, personally, have no interested in seeing the photos. I don't see why Obama shouldn't challenge the court order if he thinks it's best to challenge it.

Once the Supreme Court decides, if it goes that far, then that will be that and Obama will do what he must.

“What's the hurry?”

Hurry? The ACLU requested release of those photos way back in 2003, and have been trying to get them and other documents released since then.

As a matter of fact, Al has criticized Obama. He called him out for how he answered a question about legalizing marijuana. He has criticized him on Mexico. He has said that he doesn't trust politicians and that includes PBO. Guess what? I still read and recommend his blog.

The difference between Al and the Poutrage (TM) Brigade is that his commentary is well thoughout. He doesn't fall back on histrionics like “Obama is covering for Bush!” or “Obama's a crook!”. I don't mind criticism, but when you a) only criticize and b) resort to accusing Obama of being like Bush/sellout/crook/shady…etc. just because he does something you (in general) don't like, then you lose me.

When has Joan Walsh been loved? She may get a prop point for defending Wanda Sykes, but folks still remember her bullshit during the primary when she falsely accused Bob Herbert of being sexist and the other crap she pulled in the name of white female solidarity.

Craig: You're missing the point. This isnt about you, or about President Obama. This is about the rule of law and the inhumane treatment of HUMAN BEINGS at the hands of the US military tortures, in the name of our government. If you, Craig Hickman, are not interested in seeing the pictures, or having complete knowledge of what your government has been doing (though Im sure you werent outraged when the Obamin said they were going to release the pics….right?), then please respect the fact that there are others who want to see the full extent of the law applied to those who broke it.

Come on, now. When some of these people (white liberal bloggers, I mean) say things I don't like, or I strongly disagree with them on something, it can irk me. I won't deny that. But the hysterical condemnations I see here all the time are just…I don't know, LOL. The pendulum swings back and forth wildly. Take Joan Walsh, for instance- hated, loved, and now hated again. At some point, Obama is going to say or do something that Al Giordano will take strong exception to, then he'll be talked about as if he has two tails.

No, AM2k9, I'm not missing the point at all.

We just don't agree about how to go about ensuring that the full of extent of the law is applied to those who broke it.

ONLY those prosecuting the war crimes NEED to see those pictures.

Maybe even the families of those who have been tortured may NEED to see them in order to heal.

Other folks may WANT to see them, but want and need are not the same thing.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

No one will convince me that those photos NEED to be released publicly in order to bring the criminals to justice.

That said, they WILL come out, and we all know it.

Some have already been leaked. A few just today.

I'm just not interested in our nation undoing itself anymore than it already has.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.