<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Wednesday Evening Open Thread</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/</link> <description>A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1</generator> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-336828</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-336828</guid> <description>I respect you for telling the truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I think it would help Repubs if they quit acting like blacks aren&#039;t making a reasoned decision to vote for Dems. They act like blacks are just a bunch of sheep, voting for Dems just because it&#039;s the &quot;black&quot; thing to do - whatever people&#039;s actual reasons for voting Dem, it&#039;s insulting to carry on as if people aren&#039;t thinking, and black folks feel it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect you for telling the truth.</p><p>Personally, I think it would help Repubs if they quit acting like blacks aren&#39;t making a reasoned decision to vote for Dems. They act like blacks are just a bunch of sheep, voting for Dems just because it&#39;s the &#8220;black&#8221; thing to do &#8211; whatever people&#39;s actual reasons for voting Dem, it&#39;s insulting to carry on as if people aren&#39;t thinking, and black folks feel it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-186299</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:39:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-186299</guid> <description>I respect you for telling the truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I think it would help Repubs if they quit acting like blacks aren&#039;t making a reasoned decision to vote for Dems. They act like blacks are just a bunch of sheep, voting for Dems just because it&#039;s the &quot;black&quot; thing to do - whatever people&#039;s actual reasons for voting Dem, it&#039;s insulting to carry on as if people aren&#039;t thinking, and black folks feel it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect you for telling the truth.</p><p>Personally, I think it would help Repubs if they quit acting like blacks aren&#39;t making a reasoned decision to vote for Dems. They act like blacks are just a bunch of sheep, voting for Dems just because it&#39;s the &#8220;black&#8221; thing to do &#8211; whatever people&#39;s actual reasons for voting Dem, it&#39;s insulting to carry on as if people aren&#39;t thinking, and black folks feel it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Angelar</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185770</link> <dc:creator>Angelar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:37:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185770</guid> <description>Craig;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree that the word &quot;conspiracy&quot; shouldn&#039;t automatically be considered a&lt;br&gt;bad word.    One thing I do get concerned about is Obama supporters start&lt;br&gt;thinking in the paranoid state the nutty rights are in, i.e. &quot;Obama wants to&lt;br&gt;take our guns away, the Homeland Security Dept is tracking political&lt;br&gt;alliances, etc...you know the drill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My belief is that President Obama is very intelligent and analytical.  I&lt;br&gt;firmly believe he won&#039;t fall for &quot;Curveball&quot; intelligence. i.e Iraq.   Hope&lt;br&gt;you recall who &quot;Curveball&quot; was!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig;</p><p>I agree that the word &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; shouldn&#39;t automatically be considered a<br />bad word.    One thing I do get concerned about is Obama supporters start<br />thinking in the paranoid state the nutty rights are in, i.e. &#8220;Obama wants to<br />take our guns away, the Homeland Security Dept is tracking political<br />alliances, etc&#8230;you know the drill.</p><p>My belief is that President Obama is very intelligent and analytical.  I<br />firmly believe he won&#39;t fall for &#8220;Curveball&#8221; intelligence. i.e Iraq.   Hope<br />you recall who &#8220;Curveball&#8221; was!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185606</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185606</guid> <description>yea ok.  The reason for that is to take head count of everybody who is celebrating 4th of July and then they will say &quot;we had over 1million people there&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I think it is just bad taste to do this on July 4.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea ok.  The reason for that is to take head count of everybody who is celebrating 4th of July and then they will say &#8220;we had over 1million people there&#8221;.</p><p>Personally I think it is just bad taste to do this on July 4.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D.</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185466</link> <dc:creator>D.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:59:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185466</guid> <description>First off, any black conservative/Republican who says there&#039;s not an undercurrent of racism in the GOP is lying. Because there is, and it&#039;s become part of the modern GOP&#039;s history. Inside the GOP, I think we&#039;re viewed as a monolith that brings nothing of political value (i.e., money) to the table and isn&#039;t a terribly reliable voting block.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think being a part of that demographic requires you to draw a line on what you consider flat-out racist and what you can/will tolerate. The thing is that once you draw that line, you have to stick to it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My personal on Rush, Glenn (who I do occasionally listen to), Malkin et al., is that they&#039;re providing an entertaining view on their political philosophy. So in that, they&#039;re no different from Howard Stern, with the exception that they occasionally-or maybe better said, rarely-make a vaild point. Do they cross the line? At times, and often, the first time I hear about it is from a blog like JJP.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When that line is crossed-and for every person, it&#039;s different-then you have to stand up and say something. What happens when you do that, though, is you&#039;re either labeled a troublemaker, a whiner, or told to lighten up; that it&#039;s just commentary. And it may just be commentary or satire...but for us, it&#039;s a little different. Because for the few of us actively working to sell the GOP to blacks and other minorities, when we take the party&#039;s message to those communities, that &quot;commentary&quot; or &quot;satire&quot; is often the first thing mentioned as a reason not to support the GOP. Those charges are almost impossible to argue against.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How do I deal with it? I&#039;ve learned that, regardless of whatever consequences, when I feel something&#039;s inappropriate, I should say something (full disclosure: I haven&#039;t always done that). At the same time, I realize that there&#039;s some elements that I have to work with to accomplish an end goal, simply because they have resources that I currently don&#039;t. So there is a certain tolerance-or a tacit acceptance-of statements and goings-on that I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d be as tolerant of under different cirumstances.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I work-albeit quietly-to show that the undercurrent isn&#039;t as deep now as people make it out to be. That&#039;s done by associating with people who don&#039;t wear their feelings of racism on their sleeve, and by trying to educate elements of the GOP on what they can and can&#039;t (should/shouldn&#039;t?) say. Because even if it doesn&#039;t offend me personally, if others are complaining, it&#039;s a problem.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, any black conservative/Republican who says there&#39;s not an undercurrent of racism in the GOP is lying. Because there is, and it&#39;s become part of the modern GOP&#39;s history. Inside the GOP, I think we&#39;re viewed as a monolith that brings nothing of political value (i.e., money) to the table and isn&#39;t a terribly reliable voting block.</p><p>I think being a part of that demographic requires you to draw a line on what you consider flat-out racist and what you can/will tolerate. The thing is that once you draw that line, you have to stick to it.</p><p>My personal on Rush, Glenn (who I do occasionally listen to), Malkin et al., is that they&#39;re providing an entertaining view on their political philosophy. So in that, they&#39;re no different from Howard Stern, with the exception that they occasionally-or maybe better said, rarely-make a vaild point. Do they cross the line? At times, and often, the first time I hear about it is from a blog like JJP.</p><p>When that line is crossed-and for every person, it&#39;s different-then you have to stand up and say something. What happens when you do that, though, is you&#39;re either labeled a troublemaker, a whiner, or told to lighten up; that it&#39;s just commentary. And it may just be commentary or satire&#8230;but for us, it&#39;s a little different. Because for the few of us actively working to sell the GOP to blacks and other minorities, when we take the party&#39;s message to those communities, that &#8220;commentary&#8221; or &#8220;satire&#8221; is often the first thing mentioned as a reason not to support the GOP. Those charges are almost impossible to argue against.</p><p>How do I deal with it? I&#39;ve learned that, regardless of whatever consequences, when I feel something&#39;s inappropriate, I should say something (full disclosure: I haven&#39;t always done that). At the same time, I realize that there&#39;s some elements that I have to work with to accomplish an end goal, simply because they have resources that I currently don&#39;t. So there is a certain tolerance-or a tacit acceptance-of statements and goings-on that I&#39;m not sure I&#39;d be as tolerant of under different cirumstances.</p><p>And I work-albeit quietly-to show that the undercurrent isn&#39;t as deep now as people make it out to be. That&#39;s done by associating with people who don&#39;t wear their feelings of racism on their sleeve, and by trying to educate elements of the GOP on what they can and can&#39;t (should/shouldn&#39;t?) say. Because even if it doesn&#39;t offend me personally, if others are complaining, it&#39;s a problem.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GreenLadyHere</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185387</link> <dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:54:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185387</guid> <description>No1KState:  Hey!  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seems as IFF, all of a sudden, Limpballs is trying to REDUCE the SEVERITY of the &quot;pirates&#039;s&quot; actions by using a &quot;sympathy term&quot; - -&quot;teenagers.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Annnnnd, he&#039;s attempting to defame the PRESIDENT by implying that he ordered the shooting of a &quot;teenager.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would Flush have been so &quot;sympathetic&#039; toward a &quot;teenager&quot; who attacked anyone else??&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I!  THINK!   NOT!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Spare us the FAUX-sympathy!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No1KState:  Hey!  :&gt;)</p><p>Seems as IFF, all of a sudden, Limpballs is trying to REDUCE the SEVERITY of the &#8220;pirates&#39;s&#8221; actions by using a &#8220;sympathy term&#8221; &#8211; -&#8221;teenagers.&#8221;</p><p>Annnnnd, he&#39;s attempting to defame the PRESIDENT by implying that he ordered the shooting of a &#8220;teenager.&#8221;</p><p>Would Flush have been so &#8220;sympathetic&#39; toward a &#8220;teenager&#8221; who attacked anyone else??</p><p>I!  THINK!   NOT!!</p><p>Spare us the FAUX-sympathy!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: hustleandfloe</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185331</link> <dc:creator>hustleandfloe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:27:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185331</guid> <description>I think we&#039;re giving a bit too much shine to people we would call unworthy opponents.  I haven&#039;t seen much that looks like a reasoned and principled stance in this conservatism publicly espoused by black folks.  More often, they look like desperate searches for identity and belonging. The fact that they can be lauded in media, get away with classic anti-intellectualism by labeling any opposing view &#039;elite&#039; should be our cues that we&#039;re the ones being had by spending time  wit &#039;em.  They need us to get paid, like rush needs his most vocal haters - they clock in like Fred and Ralph and then go have dinner afterward comparing traffic with g-analytics. These aren&#039;t conservatives, just hustlers going where that bank is.   Thought we knew that game.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#39;re giving a bit too much shine to people we would call unworthy opponents.  I haven&#39;t seen much that looks like a reasoned and principled stance in this conservatism publicly espoused by black folks.  More often, they look like desperate searches for identity and belonging. The fact that they can be lauded in media, get away with classic anti-intellectualism by labeling any opposing view &#39;elite&#39; should be our cues that we&#39;re the ones being had by spending time  wit &#39;em.  They need us to get paid, like rush needs his most vocal haters &#8211; they clock in like Fred and Ralph and then go have dinner afterward comparing traffic with g-analytics. These aren&#39;t conservatives, just hustlers going where that bank is.   Thought we knew that game.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CraigHickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185318</link> <dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185318</guid> <description>So little happens on the world stage without a set of people conspiring to make it so. I&#039;m not exactly sure when conspiracy became a bad word, but we don&#039;t have to invade Somalia for certain recent events to be twisted, spun, or outright fabricated (mortar shots were not fired at that damn plane) in order to have some impact or influence on future events.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So little happens on the world stage without a set of people conspiring to make it so. I&#39;m not exactly sure when conspiracy became a bad word, but we don&#39;t have to invade Somalia for certain recent events to be twisted, spun, or outright fabricated (mortar shots were not fired at that damn plane) in order to have some impact or influence on future events.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CraigHickman</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185316</link> <dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:49:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185316</guid> <description>Who is Sandra Rose?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Sandra Rose?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rikyrah</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185314</link> <dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185314</guid> <description>She IS a hater. A plain hater. No other word can be used to describe her.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She IS a hater. A plain hater. No other word can be used to describe her.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185306</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:29:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185306</guid> <description>I just asked him lots of questions, and he patiently answered a few, and his answers weren&#039;t illogical.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just asked him lots of questions, and he patiently answered a few, and his answers weren&#39;t illogical.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185304</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:28:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185304</guid> <description>lol</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185301</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:25:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185301</guid> <description>I&#039;m not  saying I DON&#039;T tip. I just think you need to give me reasonably decent service if you want 20%+, and where I live, that doesn&#039;t always happens.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not  saying I DON&#39;T tip. I just think you need to give me reasonably decent service if you want 20%+, and where I live, that doesn&#39;t always happens.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185300</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:23:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185300</guid> <description>ok&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thnx</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok</p><p>thnx</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185298</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:23:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185298</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185262</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:51:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185262</guid> <description>I wonder what he would say if three white teens were holding a black teen hostage and white snipers killed them . . . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nevermind. I think I know. Something on the lines of coon-lover, perhaps?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what he would say if three white teens were holding a black teen hostage and white snipers killed them . . .</p><p>Nevermind. I think I know. Something on the lines of coon-lover, perhaps?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185261</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:44:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185261</guid> <description>Like Rush knows Jesus.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Rush knows Jesus.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185259</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:44:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185259</guid> <description>?? I don&#039;t get your point.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?? I don&#39;t get your point.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185258</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:42:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185258</guid> <description>This large spending was never intended to go on forever.  The repubs are just making stuff up. So Americans are where Obama is and these tea-parties are just making people look ridiculous.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This large spending was never intended to go on forever.  The repubs are just making stuff up. So Americans are where Obama is and these tea-parties are just making people look ridiculous.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No1KState</title><link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/wednesday-evening-open-thread-12/comment-page-1/#comment-185257</link> <dc:creator>No1KState</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:32:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=10545#comment-185257</guid> <description>They&#039;re planning more protests for the 4th of july.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#39;re planning more protests for the 4th of july.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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