You are shifting the focus and going on a gender tangent.

This is a patriarchal dominanted society and as long as black males are discriminated against they cannot give protection to women of their race. Thus making the racial impact more profound against us as a group. Black men have to be empowered not because they are males but because this is a patriarchal society and that is how women are empowered by the men of their race.
Gender does not change the impact of race. It simply adds an additional dimension.

If you resolve the race dynamic then you get to tackle gender. Or if you feel strongly about gender, join up with white feminists. And attack gender.

BUT, the salient point is..if you as a black women focus solely on gender you will STILL be the subject of bias cause you belong to the groupthat experiences the most discrimination from the majority independent of gender which is BLACK.

I think Schuster was pretty impressed.

I also think it's important that when there is something new or innovative that comes along we don't dismiss it especially with the language of the “civil rights industrial complex” which i maintain is a completely unfair representation of what I posted.

thanks

And who decides what is and isn't thug like behaviour and or dress. In all honesty most things that are assigned to black culture are encoded with criminality from the onset simply because that is how we are understood. Even though we claim to have choice I believe it is important to remember that these choices only exist within constrained circumstances.

Of course there are incidents outside those areas but the bulk of the murders of Black men are at the hands of other Black men. With the 70% out of wedlock birth rate and the abandonment of Black women and children the most likely victim of violence and unfair assaults are them and it's usually at the hand of a Black man as well. So let's address all of it, not just these established premises which have been here.

This point here I particularly agree with. Black men are continually telling us that we need to put aside out interests as feminists and yet do nothing to check their own undeserved privilege and the way in which it harms black women and children. I am not interested in flag waving and then getting the sh@t beat out of me so that someone can hold on to an outdated understanding of masculinity. It needs to be made clear that a black man may face racism in the public sphere but he can still come home and beat his black wife. If we are going to talk about problems in the black community we need to talk about all of them. Black men are not representative of all black people.

It was dreadful to hear those white men speak to my brothers like that.

O.K. Gotta “raise up!” C U L8R!! :>)

I don't see it that way at all. This is about how deep psychological factors become real. It's applied research. the model extends to working with police departments to make them more transparent, accountable and effective.

it's really unfair to roll this into a pejorative “civil rights industrial complex” with no justification. That phrase evokes monolithic spokespeople, outmoded protest models and valuing black faces in high places over true social justice

this is not that at all, and i think you're oversimplifying to a dizzying degree.

I respect your point about the need for balance in how black women are treated, but this does not seem to be an appropriate target for that criticism. where do you get the idea that I or this project are advocating “blanket protectionism for black men?”

That's something you've injected and argued against, and it's nothing i'm advocating or defending. It's certainly not what this research is about.

One more thing. You say this is the same old conversation and nothing new. That's highly inaccurate.

We are used to approaching police departments from a purely adversarial standpoint. “You're killing us.” period. the end. This is an effort led by academics who care about justice.

Police departments are volunteering to participate and improve. PDs don't actually WANT to have a negative relationship with their communities. It makes things harder for us and for them. This conversation, contrary to being “the same” “old” and “nothing new” is quite different and a completely new approach to trying to solve a problem that has existed for too long.

You seem to think this is about protecting black men regardless of what they do. I'm stressing that you've injected that and not me. But we're all kidding ourselves if we don't acknowledge that the relationship between black men and women (and black men and black men) is not significantly influenced by police presence and actions in our community.

By helping discover the true cause of some forms of police brutality AND reducing it, we are helping ALL black people and indeed all people who value justice.

The racism was clear as all day!

I supervised School Resource Officers, in a school district, who spoke about their training.

Annnnnd, for soma dem, I could “SEE” the difference it made in their treatment of students. They didn't “look at them” as “hardened criminals” in Elementary school. They were able to look beyond their behaviors and “SEE” the HARD LIFE/ENVIRONMENT that they lived in.

Some students were chosen to B in pre-cadet groups! :>)

This was a MAJOR IMPROVEMENT!! :>)

Heck! This was even shown in Annie — – It's a Hard Knock Life

Kinda? :>)

Annnnnd, I'm gonna go there: Ya “looked good!” :>) :>) Professionally speaking! :>) :>)

BUT. . .HE “eenie, meenie, minee, MOED” all up on our BELOVED PRESIDENT! huh!?

I've stopped my responses to Conserv1, etc. 'CAUSE THEY can neva live in MY WORLD!!

RACISM is NOT an “intellectual” endeavor! It IS IRRATIONAL!

Annnnnd, as I've stated to my grown children [ya know - - "Barack & Michelle" :>)], IFFF you can “UNDERSTAND” the IRRATIONAL – - YOU have CROSSED OVA to the OTHER SIDE!!

THAT CARTOON WAS RACIST!!

I'm THA- ROUGH!! :>)