A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics
Uh huh.
How it gets more interesting by the minute.
According to the Chicago Sun-Times:
Reid pressured Blagojevich not to appoint Jackson Jr. to Obama’s U.S. Senate seat
January 2, 2009
BY NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND LYNN SWEETDays before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn’t want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.
Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.
Sources say the Senate majority leader pushed against Jackson and Davis — both democratic congressmen from Illinois — and against Jones — the Illinois Senate president who is the political godfather of President-elect Barack Obama — because he did not believe the three men were electable. He feared losing the seat to a Republican in a future election.
Read rest of the article at link above.
First of all, this isn’t about Davis or Jones, who would have been nothing but caretakers anyway. Actually, scratch Davis. Nobody thinking who actually follows Danny Davis, thought that he was SINCERELY considering leaving his SAFE Congressional seat, and the ability to pad that federal pension for another easy decade for something that would be OVER in 2010.
Jones, who had retired from the Illinois Senate, would have been a caretaker. Period. He’s in his 70’s, and this would have been the capper for a long public service career.
No. This was all about Jesse Jackson, Jr.
Deciding from ‘ on high’, that Jesse Jackson, Jr. couldn’t win.
Well, excuse me, if I think that’s up to Jesse Jackson, Jr. to try and if he doesn’t win in a Democratic Primary in 2010, so be it. But, if he won the Democratic Primary, it would be up to the ILLINOIS Democratic Party to put out and help him get over the hump in 2010.
Now, we ‘hear’, from the likes of Politico.com :
Sources say Blagojevich’s s successor if he’s removed from office, Illinois Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, is likely to point someone who is African- American, but likely not Burris because of the taint or Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill), who is often mentioned as a possibility but would be too controversial.
Sources said the choice is likely to be someone young and dynamic, like Dan Seals, who ran in a northeast Illinois House district in 2006 and 2008. It needs to be someone who would appeal to the white Republicans in downstate Illinois, to prevent the seat going to the GOP in a future election.
Let me get this straight right now.
The ‘Black Street’ don’t know Dan Seals. I know him,because I’m a poltiical junkie, but color me cynical about this. I’m going to tell you why this is SUS-PECT to me. Quinn had all the time to get this out to the newspapers when this first broke about Blago (to position himself for when he became Governor). You don’t nominate someone Black that Black people have never heard of, and has no connection to the Black community – other than skin color.
If Quinn had ‘dropped’ his intentions of nominating someone African-American, or at least making it clear that Black folks were on this list, it would be a whole other story. But, He DID NOT.
Sorry, if my cynical self isn’t buying it.
What is his base?
I’m just askin’.
He’s a Half-Black man with a NON-Black wife, who has NO Chicago connections whatsoever. The Black vote IS Cook County, and we don’t know him.
So, the thought that they’d throw away Burris – who IS well known and rooted in the Black community.
For Seals, who is a NOBODY in the Black community.
I know some folks live in post-Obama racial delusion. But, wake up.
That SEALS would be chosen over the numerous presently elected Black officials?
Uh huh.
Yes, Barack Obama was a nobody. But, he was a nobody who built his FOUNDATION in the Black community.
I don’t speak of where other folks live. I’m a Chicago gal. I went east to school, but came back home after college and graduate school.
Barack Obama built his foundation in the Black community. Folks want to pretend that I don’t know where I live.
Dan Seals doesn’t live in the Black Community. He doesn’t work in the Black community. He doesn’t work for the Black community. He has absolutely NO connection to the Black community of Cook County, and we ARE the Black vote in Illinois.
Black folk in Cook County aren’t going to be his ‘ base’, just because he’s Black. He doesn’t even have a political base where he lives, because he couldn’t even win the elections where he ran in not one, BUT TWO OVERWHELMINGLY PRO-DEMOCRATIC CYCLES.
If folks want to live in post-racial eutopia, that’s fine. But, I’m talking about Illinois politics. And, choosing a Black candidate who doesn’t even have a Black voting base from which to depend upon and build for the 2010 Democratic Primary, makes even the possibility of the choice of Seals, just as tokenist as Clarence Thomas.
The beauty and barbershops don’t know Dan Seals. And can’t point to one reason to choose him – other than he’s Black, and despite what folks might think – Black folk DO need something more than that.
Black folk know Roland Burris. That’s why we can separate him from Blago.
We don’t know JACK about Dan Seals, and 2 years isn’t long enough to build it.
Look at the visual.
Work with a Sista.
They would kick out Burris, who has a 30 year history with the Black community. Who won 4 STATEWIDE elections.
To bring in this half Black guy that nobody knows shyt about with absolutely NO connections to the Black community that hasn’t won ANYTHING.
And, Chicago/Cook County, has all these politicos and Black business folk that could be chosen who actually HAVE TIES to the Black community.
Stand back and look and see how that looks to us.
What reason would I have to support Dan Seals – other than he is Black. I know a half dozen WHITE candidates that I could POINT TO things that they have done for the Black community – before I could support Seals. There are Black folks who could stand up and speak for these White candidates – because they’ve worked with them on projects. And, they understand Urban life.
Who Black is going to stand up for Seals and vouch for him on anything related to the Black community?
There’s a difference between supporting someone because they’re Black, and being asked to support them ONLY because they’re Black.
And being told by the likes lf Harry Reid and Pat Quinn that THIS is the kind of Negro that is acceptable?
Hell-to-the-naw.
If I’m going to support a Black candidate that supposedly ‘ has no chance’, then I’d just as soon see Jesse Jackson, Jr. in that spot.
I want someone to tell me, how Seals is a better candidate than Jackson Jr., who has a legislative record, who has an actual base, who actually has been building coalitions across communities from the moment he stepped into Congress, and he’s actully WON elections.
PS- For those of you who say that folks like me can’t see the forest, and that Reid was only trying to protect the Seat for 2010, the Democratic Primary IS the battle for 2010. And whomever wins that will be able to look good for victory in November 2010.
PPSS-When this all began, ‘the talk’ in the beauty and barbershops was, “Man, it looks like they’re trying to knock out all the Black candidates.” To wit, Black folk were called ‘ paranoid’. And the whole, ‘ well, we just need the most qualified person for the job.’, bullshyt, which always, once that phrase is used, seems to EXCLUDE Black folks. Guess we weren’t so ‘ paranoid’ after all.
PPPSSS-I’ve been accused of ‘ crabs in a barrell’ mentality. I’ll ask the question AGAIN:
How is this crabs in a barrell when I say that Black folk aren’t going to accept some Harry Reid/Pat Quinn-picked approved Negro with no connection to the Black community?
Don’t Black folk have the right to take a look at that and say, ‘ Naw, son…it’s not going down like that.’
Osmond
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Hmm well Dems didnt think Barack was electable against hillary nor john mccain and look how that turned out.
Piepiepie
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I think it is foolish to appoint anyone other than a caretaker, or make clear that folks will get primaried.
I dislike the idea of giving any person a “running start” at senator — I think special elections would be the best solution, but the cost is a prohibitive factor. Worse a motivated minority can subvert the majority in a special election.
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
No, Osmond Larger number old school Black Dems didn't think Obama was electable. You know the Burris & Rush old school kind of Blacks who didn't support Obama in the beginning but now want the Glory of his former seat.
GreenLadyHere
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 pm
rikyrah: YOU HATH SPOKEN!! It oughta B!! Hmmmm!
This is a MAJOR HOT MESS!
Whew!! **shakin' my head***
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Oh, the horror that Evil Harry Reid wanting someone electable for the former seat of the First Black President so it would not fall into the hands of the Republicans. Harry Reid is such a racist. Damn it's sad when a White man has your back. While some in your own race would put Gary Coleman in the seat just as long as anything or anyone Black is in it.
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Iceberg,
you're feeling me. I know you're feeling me. You KNOW this is going to be the topic of conversation in the beauty and barbershops once this article hits circulation.
Micheline
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
So what if Reid didn't want Jackson, Jr. There are a lot of people who didn't want him. That does not justify a corrupt governor exploiting race.
Justice58
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Lay.It.Down. Rikyrah!
CPL
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Nobody better not ask me why I used Joe Lieberman in a comparative analysis such as THIS ONE.
I knew after the dust cleared it was all about race. PERIOD. Reid might be a Democrat, but he may very well be a racist one at that.
He needs to answer why he didn't want JJJ, Emil Jones or Danny Davis in that seat.
Alright, I might not know enough about Dan Seals – I'm not familiar with Chicago style politics, but I'm still betting my money on the fact that his arm piece isn't a sista, and as Rikyrah has corrected me, he doesn't have a base in Chi-town.
I also suspect this brotha might be DLC and that's why Reid wouldn't object to his presence in the Senate. He gets to kill two birds with one stone; he puts a brotha in that seat who might be the Dark Sith undercover.
But anyone who wants to say this isn't about race; see my posts on December 31st and January 2nd.
I now rest my case.
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Obama had Jesse Jackson Jr. on the list people…LOL Good god some on here are turning into the Broke down Black Nancy Drews…Now that is a Hot Mess!!!!
Holy Shit!!!
Politico.com Just reported that Harry Reid still keep slaves locked up behind his house. Please people spread the word the Dems or trying to hold back god fearing Burris in a plot to in enslaving the Black race…God Save us!
:)
icebergslim
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
A bunch of B.S. goin' down, HAY……
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Micheline…Surely the good governor was going to appoint a Black person to the seat before he was busted. I'm sure! Gov. Blago only care about Black people now as cover to push his hatred of Obama. But let me stop Harry Reid is suppose to be the evil one here.
hotchimera
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm
somebody trying tto get black folk fightin' 'gainst each other like crabs in a barrel.
Am tellin' y'all don't get drawn in! Keep your heads on. Isn't it convenient this story is now droppin' huh?!!! somebody want some trouble amongst black folks. Wonder who dat body is? who benefits from situation turning to race fight? huh?! I am glad Reid spoke up and is trying to see big picture. God knows somebody has to see it. We just too shortsighted sometimes and too easily riled up. Look and learn from how Obama moves. He does not get worked up even though we think he should. He weighs things and thinks before he speaks. Lots of black folk were not for him and now y'all fightin' for these folk who show themselves to be dishonorable to get his seat. I like Jesse but still not sure he would have won. Don't think JOnes or Davis had a chance either. Reid gets to me sometimes but I am with him on this one. Peple! c duh dam fores' fuh duh dam trees and stop getting worked up over stuff that only will benefit effed up Blago. Believe me this ruckus is what he likes and notice we not really talking about his problems now only about racism and white against black. DO NOT FALL FOR THE GAME!!! We got the dam prize with Obama keep focused on that and learn from him to separate the chafe from the wheat. I guess y'all want a repub to get this seat. the way people behaving look like it could happen now. sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
hotchimera….Thank you someone use there freaking head and looking and 2010. You thinking like a coach for the NBA. We need our best players folks and some of these people can't and never can win statewide. Once again Obama Black behind just got lucky that time he went against the Republicans for his former seat. Lighting do not strike twice. Harry Reid is trying to protect Obama seat he does not want the Republicans claiming victory in Obama home state. Thinking of it like a Basketball game you need your best players not your weakest ones called Burris and ex-black panther slash race hustler Rush.
Micheline
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
According to Archpundit, neither Burris or Rush has a large following in the black community:
<blockqoute>…Roland Burris isn’t a guy with a large following of African-American supporters and while Bobby Rush can carry his Congressional District, he is an abysmal failure when it comes to challenging white politicians. He barely got a majority of the black vote against Daley. He and Roland Burris cannot attract a big portion of the black vote. They have virtually no organization, little money, and few allies.
This leads to a close second point, Rod Blagojevich probably did appint a black man to help him in impeachment hearings as well thinking it would put pressure on African-American legislators or white legislators with significant black populations in their district. Simply not true. There is no movement supporting him by black legislators and some like Monique Davis want him out just as much as before. Those allied with Jesse Jackson Jr. have no reason to suppor the clown.</blockqoute>
Here is the link: http://archpundit.com/blog/2009/01/02/let-me-di...
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Whatever you might think Burris and Rush don't have; they have way more than Dan Seals.
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:08 pm
How is this crabs in a barrell when I say that Black folk aren't going to accept some Harry Reid/Pat Quinn-picked approved Negro?
Don't Black folk have the right to take a look at that and say, ' Naw, son…it's not going down like that.'
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
The two Blacks that won the US Senate seat were both 'longshots from Chicago'.
Ro
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
As I told yall from the beginning. The elephant in the room is RACE. Stop saying Bobby Rush is injecting race. Bobby Rush and I looked past the surface. Yall need to apologize to Mr. rush.
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Micheline…Good news for me I cannot stand Bobby Rush & Burris for trying to get there hustle on with a crooked Gov.
As if they care about Blacks being senate more like they want to be in power.
Micheline
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 pm
But Rikyrah, they came up from the primary and then won the general. This is an appointment. This in many respects is not a democratic process. Appointment always involve machine politics. If the Democrats didn't have a primary, Obama would never had won the Democratic nomination for the senate seat. One thing I will say is that for now on special elections should be the way of replacing a senator.
Piepiepie
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 pm
For clarity as far as I can see the coincidental names between Reid and Obama are:
Tammy Duckworth
Lisa Madigan
Both did not have JJjr. on their lists!, Reid had ONLY the above two.
Obama added
Jarrett, Hynes, and Jan Schakowsky in comparison to Reid.
Plantsmantx
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 pm
“somebody trying tto get black folk fightin' 'gainst each other like crabs in a barrel.”
Oh yes, I agree. Interesting that you and Linda haven't commented on this blog before today, at least according to your profiles. Yes, I agree that some people may be trying to create the impression that we're fighting like crabs in a barrel here.
Piepiepie
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 pm
heh.
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 pm
rikyrah…It was only two Blacks not five, not ten, nor 34….Longshots is no different from winning the lottery.
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Micheline…I agree special elections are much better.
Piepiepie
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I think they should all duke it out in a primary battle. They have a year to prepare and raise money… whoever wants the seat.
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:20 pm
You can't have it both ways. You can't say Burris is a bad candidate, because of 2010, and then say, this is an appointment, what about 2010.
There was ALWAYS going to be a Democratic Primary in 2010. – whoever was appointed.
But, the thought of blocking the appointment of Jackson, Jr., because he was so-called ' unelectable', is wrong. If he won the 2010 Primary, he'd be the stronger candidate for it. If he, as a sitting US Senator lost the 2010 Primary, then that would mean the winner was the stronger candidate, and would be better for it going into the election.
My problem is Reid, et. al, deciding that the BLACK candidates 'couldn't win' in 2010, considering that we are the ONLY state in America that has elected TWO Black Senators. And leaving someone like DUCKWORTH, who hasn't won SHIT, on the list?
GMAFB.
Plantsmantx
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 pm
“There was ALWAYS going to be a Democratic Primary in 2010. – whoever was appointed.”
Exactly. And anyone who could not win statewide would be eliminated at that point.
Plantsmantx
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Agent provacateur?
Piepiepie
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
For clarity. Rahm gave Blago Obama's list. Reid also had a list. Here they are listed below. Both Obama and Reid did not have JJjr on their lists.
Emanuel delivered a list of candidates who would be “acceptable” to Obama:
On the list were
Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett,
Illinois Veterans Affairs director Tammy Duckworth,
Illinois state Comptroller Dan Hynes
U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Chicago
State Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan
JJjr. was not on Obama's list either– before Blago's implosion.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/l...
Anyway that's Obama's list for comparison to Reid's list.
“Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.” from (IBS link)
For clarity as far as I can see the coincidental names between Reid and Obama are:
Tammy Duckworth
Lisa Madigan
Plantsmantx
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
And now Harry Reid is pushing the biracial Dan Seals because….? LOL
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
JESSE JACKSON JR. WAS ON THE LIST PEOPLE LINK BELOW:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/12/so_rep_...
Stop the hating he was the list….lol
icebergslim
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Obama DID have JJJ on his immediate list. The press speculated he did not.
Source
Justice58
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Thanks, Plantsmantx!
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
For the Slow ones three Blacks was no the list as far as I can tell.
Jesse Jackson Jr., Cheryle Jackson & Valarie Jarett WAS ON THE LIST PEOPLE LINK BELOW:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/12/so_rep_...
Now, excuses me I have to go read my Politico article on Harry Reid burning 666 in the foreheads of you Black Children. Since, he's White it has to be true! Goodnight…lol
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 pm
for Burris to 'lose' in 2010, that would mean that he'd have to WIN the 2010 Democratic Primary. But, I thought he was such a weak candidate and couldn't win the 2010 Primary?
Make up your mind.
If Burris has no chance, then a strong Democratic Candidate will emerge in the Primary in 2010. Someone NOT attached to Blago, who can claim their ' independence' from this all…and will win in November 2010.
Once again, I ask why is it crabs in a barrell for Black folk to say HELL NO to a hand-picked Negro with no connections to the Black community?
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
See…this is why I luv my regular JJP posters. :)
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Piepiepie….Lynn Sweet is the real deal. She is a good reporter. Obama showed his list in the internal Blago report he released a while back.
CPL
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
The Black Face is High Place syndrome.
Some are more infected with it than others.
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Valerie Jarrett was NEVER in consideration. Stop trying to do that bogusness.
Cheryle Jackson was the surprise. Qualified, but a surprise.
rikyrah
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Is it me, or are there more “Uncle Ruckuses” coming on this board lately to tell us we're full of shyt?
I thought it was just me wearing the tinfoil hat again, CPL.
LOL
Webb
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
I was in disbelief that Reid would dare insert himself and try to be the annointer of the next Senator from Illinois.
Reid's seat is open in 2010 too, right? After this story about JJ-Jr, I'm ready to send atleast $25 to a democratic contender against Reid in Nevada. He needs to go.
Furthermore, I'll be glad when January 20th eclipses all of this senatorial-hustle-and-flow…it's getting tired. We need economic stimuli. We don't need lawsuits within the Democratic Party. This is “not a good look.”
Micheline
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 pm
I agree with you about Duckworth even though she was on Obama's list . Because of this Blago mess I like Jesse Jackson but I am so glad that he was not appointed. Jackson will prove himself in the primary.
My problem with the Burris pick has more to do with allowing himself to be used by Rush and Blago as cudgels to beat Obama and the Democrats. Blago did this to stir up shit. I am also extremely turned off by the exploitation of a legitimate issue about the lack of African-Americans in the senate. I don't want Blago near that issue. There's a better way of bringing this issue. A corrupt governor is not one of them.
Another reason I don't like Burris is that he should never had allowed Rush play the race card, By accusing the senate of being racist, Burris pretty much shot himself in the foot. The senate is unfortunately very clubby but they don't give a damn who you are. Look at Hillary she try to get a sub-committee and was duly rejected. Lynn Sweet has reported that Dick Durbin is not going to show him around. Burris will end up being ineffective as a result of this.
Justice58
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
LOL!
Justice58
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 pm
LOL!
Piepiepie
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I'm giving up as it feels like chasing a story, news organizations I looked at included Jarrett on the list. I saw Lynn Sweet's “actual” list for the first time tonight. In addition, I remember the wire-tap summaries mentioning Jarrett — so it is interesting how spectacularly misinformed the press was ( and myself as a result).
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
rikyrah ….Valerie Jarrett was darling on the list she refused to play to pay Gov. Blago…I'm to tired track that down…So, I'll leave you to your conspiracy. Though, I'm enjoying reading all this stuff about certain Dems this is kind of fun…Did you hear the one about Bobby Rush actually caring about Black people?! You see old Bobby hated Obama so much he did help with Obama in 2004 senate race. He wanted to help so much get a Black senator in office that he endorsed a White man to try and hurt Obama. Oops, that is sort like what he is doing now by helping Master Blago kill off Obama through that troll Burris.
So, good to see good old Bobby Rush still looking out for the Black community.
Linda
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
No, but I hear from Bobby Rush & Burris that Master Blago is a good master. He even lets them sleep in the house.
hotchimera
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
I read jj everyday but finally decided to join in b/c this blago/burris race thing is really bothersome to me. Now I think Reid should be replaced and I have disagreed with him on lots but this time with Blago I am with him. This whole identity politics stuff has got to stop!! This is a new day. Yes, we can speak up and stand up against injustice and for justice when we see racism but this is not one of these times. Reid is actually doing what he is supposed to do on this one and looking at the whole enchilada. All this talk about Burris being honorable is a bunch of bunk. Look at his actions. Are these actions of an honorable man. Would anyone accept a position from Madoff if he offered one now he is out on bail? Come on folk! YOu cannot separate the political from the legal as Burris is doing and make it look clean in this situation when it freaking stinks! Burris and Rush both had negative things to say about Blago when he was arrested but now all of a sudden they can accept the appointment from him. Why? Anyone smell desparation here? I black but I am not stupid. I know when i see racism and this shyte with the dems blocking Burris is not racism and black folk that think it is better wake up or we will regret it. These ole boys like Rush, Jones, Burris need to just back down and retire and stop trying to hold up shyte! Give others a break. And I hope Jesse runs. Don't think he could win State wide but he should prove me wrong and do it. The rest of them should just go home and support our Prez when he is right and speak out when he is wrong. He likes that. Don't just make trouble for trouble sake and help a stupid ass white man to run for cover. DAM!!!!
Plantsmantx
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
hotchimera, what do you think about the results of your poll over at Daily Kos?
Micheline
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
That's why we should have special elections so we won't have to deal with this bullshit.
Plantsmantx
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
“I do believe that it was black folk like you long, long ago, who sold our ancestors as slaves on African shores to white people like Blago who used and abused us for their benefit.”
“Seems like the seed is still running amok.”
Damn, hotchimera…you hate the man THAT much?
Linda
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 am
hotchimera…You should really look up what brother Rush did to Obama… Bobby Rush only cares about bring down Obama and crazy thing is he is getting help from a White Man Gov. Blago that everyone knows want to hurt our future Prez.
Burris is washed up old school politician that does not have a snow ball chance in hell of winning statewide. The Gov. Blago & Bobby Rush knows this for a fact they are working together to undermine Obama. But certain people don't care about that shit they to busy crying river over old ass Burris being treated poorly by the man.
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:08 am
“I black but I am not stupid.”
You're black…BUT you're not stupid? BUT??? Well, I'll be damned. You're black, but you're not stupid. You just gave yourself away, hotchimera.
You need to go sit down somewhere and shine up your “I'm One Of The (few) Good Ones!!!” badge.
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 am
Uh oh!
You're on the case, Sherlock! Good detective work!
hotchimera
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 am
linda… glad to see another peson with clear thinking and not just doing things from emotion. We got bigger fish with Obama Burris and the rest are just condiments. You know how condiments could help cover up when something taste bad. sometimes they can make things taste better too but this ain't one of these times. bad taste no condiment will make better on this one. can't believe i up still talking bout this crap. yawn!!!
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 am
wtf?
soulsistah02
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:17 am
Obama did have Jackson Jr. as one of the candidates on the list. You can refer to the Obama Transition team internal investigation memo and the FBI document.
soulsistah02
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am
Why do I believe there will be fireworks between Reid and Obama?
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 am
Dat you, Sherlock? lol
Somebody. got. busted.!
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 am
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/2/194131/6...
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
yeah, I noted above the source i had was not accurate.
soulsistah02
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 am
Tammy Duckworth was a finalist for the Veteran's Affairs cabinet post. At no time was Duckworth on Obama's shortlist of candidates to fill his senate seat.
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:27 am
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/12/so_rep_...
“Initial press reports about President elect Barack Obama's preference list of potential replacements for him in the U.S. Senate left Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill) off the list. According to an Obama internal review of the Blagojevich selling-of the-Senate seat scandal, released Wednesday by the transition, Jackson was on the list.
The Obama list
Jackson
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)
Comptroller Dan Hynes
Illinois Veterans Affairs Chief Tammy Duckworth
added later
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan
Chicago Urban League Chief Cheryle Jackson, former Blagojevich spokesman.
“
Where's your source?
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 am
Who in the hell would say they're black, BUT they're not stupid, unless they felt that most black people are stupid?
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
Sherlock!
Congrats on good detective work! Props!
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 am
Thank you:). I just had a feeling that somebody that over the top had probably commented elsewhere, and “hotchimera” seems like a fairly unique screename…
soulsistah02
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
Me, myself and I. LOL!
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
Sherlock,
You're on top of your game! lol
And know what? Hotchimera is angry as hell.
But Hotchimera better recognize, we have some sharp detectives that will ….find.your.ass.! lol
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:38 am
:P
soulsistah02
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:47 am
Take a nice long sip of Calm Down: Burris will not be seated. While the U.S. Senate's powers on unseating a Senator are incredibly vague, the Democratic Caucus, however, can delay Burris' confirmation with legal proceedings. All Reid needs to do wait long enough for the impeachment hearings to be completed and when, not if, the Illinois Senate finds Blago guilty of selling the U.S. Senate for financial gain, then he will be impeached and his appointment will be considered null and void; thereby, allowing the Lt. Governor to reappoint the candidate.
Now whether Burris has legal standing to challenge the reappointment is another matter.
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:50 am
Perhaps — Reid needs Obama a lot more than Obama needs Reid.
Reid's seat is not gimmie like Pelosi's
evie
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 am
This is a horrifying story. And I'm sick to death of people deciding who is and who isn't “electable” downstate. Jesse has been treated so poorly from the beginning with this thing, it's breathtaking.
I used to live in Seals' district and I like him. I volunteered for him in 2006, and was sorry to see him get killed this year, but who the hell is Reid to decide from on high (and afar) which AA is and isn't “electable” in this state?
btw- saying Seals should be disqualified because of his wife is BS. Burris, othh, disqualified himself when he accepted the appt from our crooked, and crazy, governor. Seals' problem, I believe, is that he doesn't connect effectively with people. That us unlikely to change just because some old, white men have determined he is a “palatable” AA.
The seat should have gone to Jesse, and if we'd had a governor with any integrity, it would have. Now we have a mess from which no choice will be effective.
THE OBAMA LIST — people here keep citing the rumored list, which was printed in the newspaper without the facts and did not include Jesse. Obama's own report, which came out the day before Christmas, said that Rahm DID include Jesse on the list he gave to Harris. It would have been a shock if Jesse hadn't been included.
I agree with those who say Reid should be forced from the top job, if this story is true. And unfortunately, this story has just increased exponentially the chances of Burris being seated — a guy who was picked because he was the only one who would take it from the crook.
hotchimera
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 am
plantsmantx…you and your little friends see conspiracy where there is none. Because I say 'I black not stupid' you assume I am not really black? wow! i might be new writing on this board but i am always checking in and some here might feel they own this board and get suspicious about new folk commenting but really assuming I am not black because I made a comment you do not git does not mean there is a conspiracy. y'all thinking to highly of yourselves as far as i am concerned. I wonder if you are really black? hmmmmmmm!?
Miranda
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:25 am
Damn…you are TOO obvious.
msmartin
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:44 am
Right.
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 am
Blah Blah Fuckety Blah!
Sherlock, where you at?lol
Micheline
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 am
I think everyone agrees that Reid sucks and should be booted from the job. Dick Durbin would be better. The internal report also contains a list.
spirit_55z
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
CPL, I just luv ya!!!!!!
blksista
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
Plants,
I sometimes blog and post over at Daily Kos, too on issues like New Orleans.
Because I do, that doesn't automatically make me Public Enemy No. 1.
When I posted this piece on Cynthia McKinney a couple of years ago on the eve of the 20006 midterms, that was a monkey wrench in some people's views about her. As much as I disagreed with some of what she had said in the past, I did not want to see the sista railroaded.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 am
This revelation brings a whole new perspective to why Reid wants to block Burris…he's not on the approved list.
Somehow I'm thinking if Blago had appointed Duckworth or Madigan to the Senate post on Dec. 30 there wouldn't be all this noise about “taint”. Reid would have just accepted the appointed and claimed the law said he must, even if Blago was corrupt.
I need for Blago and Burris to swagga on down to DC and get in the mix. And Obama should stay his happy ass out of the situation unless it's to say “We must follow the Constitution and seat Burris.”
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
I like the fact that Reid is weak, I wish Pelosi was weaker as well. There is something wrong when you have an executive that was nationally elected in your party and regionally elected partsians can have control over his agenda.
I'm hoping Obama uses both Pelosi and Reid to maintain his high favorability and offloads the heavy negative lifting on them.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 am
Posting on Daily Kos doesn't make you enemy #1.
Posting all the time on Daily Kos, then all of a sudden taking a trip to other blogs to spread your message when you've not been to those blogs before makes you suspect.
And I think it's interesting that the Daily Kos people are screaming against Burris and all of a sudden we now have an influx of new posters screaming against Burris.
Just an interesting observation.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 am
The Delaware appointment of a caretaker for Biden's seat until Sonny boy comes back from Iraq isn't democratic either.
But nobody's whining about that.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
Psst…
Unelectable [un/e/lek/ta/ble] adjective, circa 2008: to be black
DarkStar
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
OK, now this an interesting read. I don't know the workings of Ill politics, but your take seems reasonable to me.
blksista
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:26 am
As I said before in another context in another post:
Be really careful and specific about who, which and what you are talking about. Especially when they hold differing views from you.
I have been here for months, am what some people might call a Kossack, although I do not always share Markos Moulitsas Zuniga's views, and am black. Because I don't like certain people's actions (Blago, number one, Rush, second, and Burris, third) in this current controversy, that certainly doesn't make me an apostate from blackness, either. I just think that the attitude, support the brother/sister no matter what can bite us in the behind on certain occasions, and this is one of them.
These new posters, as you say, may have been reading and watching all along. If Markos has been fanning out DK supporters to troll other black blogs about this controversy, that certainly is something to consider, but not necessarily the only consideration about why they have suddenly appeared on JJP. They may have been reading JJP all along.
CPL and Rikyrah (who lives there) may have their finger on the local pulse, and I appreciate their outlook. But that doesn't mean that all folks in Cook County and Chicago are thinking as they do.
Since I live outside of Chicago in pale-faced Madison, WI, all this mess is really interesting. But sometimes, people on the outside looking in have perspectives that no one else may have.
What do I think about Reid? He's an idiot and I'd like to see him step down as well as LIEberman. What do I think about his list? Not even that important, because when the deal goes down, he has to acquiesce to the main man, Obama, and what HE would like to see.
This ain't ovah yet.
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 am
Yes, that's the point, isn't it? Reid, the Dem Senate leadership, and yes…Obama are acting as if they are opposing Burris on principle, when they tried to influence Blago's pick just a few weeks ago, knowing that he was under investigation, and having known it for months and months. Obviously, they assumed he would appoint someone, and had no problem whatsoever with him appointing someone..back on December 3rd.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
I need for Blago and Burris to swagga on down to DC and get in the mix. And Obama should stay his happy ass out of the situation unless it's to say “We must follow the Constitution and seat Burris.”
Me, too, Town. And since I live in DC, I might have a front row seat to watch that madness.
Pressure to seat Candidate #5 – later identified as JJJ.
Now, why do I think Blago withheld the name of who was pressuring him until he got the perfect opportunity to play his trump card (in the aegis of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid)?
I also want to know if the crew at Kos' place got the vapors yet, now that their “hero” Harry Reid might have dirty hands in this shyt. <<<side eye>>>
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 am
I'm beginning to wonder if Obama even KNEW Reid was involving himself in this shyt.
This is not a good beginning for the POTUS – Reid is now showing he's going go hardball on the POTUS when he rolled for for Bush for the last six years?
GTHOH with that shyt.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
You sound like a bigoted troll, Hot Chimera.
That is all.
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
No…uh uh. When you said “I'm black BUT I'm not stupid”, I didn't assume you were not black. Not at all. I recognized you as one of those black people who feels that most OTHER blacks are as a rule stupid, lazy, dishonest…whatever…fill in the blank. But you…ah, you are an exception to the rule, right? If I had thought you weren't really black, I wouldn't have said that you need to go sit down somewhere and polish up your “Hi!!! I'm One Of The (few) Good Ones!!!” badge you use to let the good white folk know that you're “not like the others”.
Next?
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
If Durbin gets it, Lieberman better dust off that resume of his, because there's no way in hell Dick Durbin will leave a traitor like Lieberman in his midst.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
Especially Pelosi.
I've been through with her ever since she directed the Congressional Black Caucus to actively withhold their support from one of their own members, Cynthia McKinney, for being harassed by the Capitol Hill police…AND MOST OF THOSE MO FOS DID AS PELOSI asked.
She wouldn't restore McKinney's seniority when she won back her seat in 2004 – but there were white guys who returned and got their seniority back.
Plus, she kneecapped John Conyers by threatening to take away his Chairmanship of the Judiciary committee if he didn't back off the process of impeaching Bush.
Why San Francisco sent her back to Congress to represent them when she's done anything but is confusing to me.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
You know your politics, Pie.
Reid's favorability rate is way under 50% – if an election were held, he might make it out of the primary, but not the statewide election. He might be very well fighting for his seat in 2010…and it might go to the GOP as a result of the Nevada Democrats not being able to find a viable candidate to challenge Reid for the Democratic nomination and being able to win state wide.
NMP
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
This is real trouble for Democrats! True enough Bobby Rush's recent statements were over the top and too heavy handed, but he wasn't lying about the hypocrisy of white Democrats. This is some Dixicrat shit! It's one thing to oppose a racial appointment, but it's a whole different matter to block African Americans from appointment. This is a George Wallace move. Reid all but stood in the doorway of the Capital. I've said it a million times before, but it deserves to be said a million more times. The Democratic Party is a plantation party and Black folks have been far too willing to enslave themselves to it. Whether it's the Democratic political establishment or the so-called progressive arm of the Party, Black folks, whom they depend on, are not well represented in the leadership ranks. They talk at us, down to us or dismiss us and every four years come up with excuse-after-excuse as to why it's not political prudent to run African American candidates statewide. Until they have people that look like me in leadership, I don't give a fuck about the Daily Kos, Democratic Leadership, Human Rights Campaign or any of Liberal white establishments or negroes that excuse them, including some right here on JJP.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
A white person masquerading as being Black on a Weblog?
<<<ducks and LOL>>>
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
I think Biden made it clear to his appointee that he was keeping the seat warm until Biden's son safely comes back from Iraq to run for the seat himself.
No one's whining about it, because Delaware politics don't have the same dynamics as Chi-town, but again, the Double Standard is coming into play.
Too bad Biden didn't have a brotha he could have put in that seat – it would have taken the race issue out of this mix. I'm sure Wilmington is full of qualified AAs Biden could have appointed…oh well.
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
DNC in NV is not going to primary Reid — that's not going happen.
GOP has a Gov and Lt. Gov under a huge storm cloud and issues so there are not going to be candidates LOL.
So, Reid might be in trouble in general, I'm not sure who the GOP is going to get. Maybe one of the two GOP congressmen.
However, NV would be foolish to vote Reid out with dems in control of the Senate — procedurally there is too much of an advantage for NV as a state.
Reid is weak, but I'm sure even NV republican businessmen see the adv. of Billions of stimulus money and seniority in the senate. As a result, I don't seem Reid in real trouble.
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
…and let me tell you something else- when it comes right down to it, the fact(?) that you are nominally “liberal”, write diaries at Daily Kos, and all that doesn't make you any different than someone like Jesse Lee Peterson. There is;t one ounce of real difference between the two of you. None.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
At this point, I'd like to see Reid field a challenge to his Majority Leadership position.
Durbin could pull it off if he can round up the votes. I'd like to see Russ Feingold as Durbin's deputy – together they will facilitate platform unity on legislation that needs to either be passed or filibustered, and they will kneecap Lieberman and won't care if he defects because they can filibuster his ass, too.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
ROFL, TOWN.
So when you gonna sign me up to manage your career? I can promise you a longer shelf life than DL Hughley….LOL
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
Back at ya, Spirit, back at ya!!!
NMP
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 am
3 consecutive weeks of rants about Rick Warren and only one diary, buried in the side bar, about today's report on Reid. The silence says it all!
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am
but really assuming I am not black because I made a comment you do not git does not mean there is a conspiracy.
What's up with the misspelling? What are you trying to prove?
NMP
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
No doubt he did, and he allowed Reid just enough rope to hang himself. If you haven't figured it out yet, PEO is like most politicians in that he shits like the rest of them, but unlike most, he wipes his hands. He'll dipose of Reid with the smoothness that he's come to be known for. And check PEO's approval ratings; his begginning is just fine! This only plays to his advantage. He'll have Reid out of there in short time. Bet that!
rikyrah
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
You are on the money, CPL.
Couldn't NOBODY leak that story BUT Blago.
I'm telling you……this is hilarious.
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Blksista, I didn't mean to imply that, at all. I just posted the source of this quote:
“I do believe that it was black folk like you long, long ago, who sold our ancestors as slaves on African shores to white people like Blago who used and abused us for their benefit.”
“Seems like the seed is still running amok.”
rikyrah
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
the silence IS fascinating, isn't it, NMP?
You should read the scrambling being attempted, trying to skirt away that ALL the folks on Reid's unelectable list were BLACK and how it has nothing to do with race.
GTFOH.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
This could be why Bobby Rush and Rod Blago played the race card at that presser the other day, because Harry Reid & Co. were playing it on them. And that's probably why Blago chose a black guy to say F*CK U Harry Reid.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
If Obama is as slick as I think he is, he probably knew about it and let it happen.
See what will happen now is Reid looks like a racist fool and a hypocrite, because now it's known that he was dipping all up in Blago's mix and telling Blago not to appoint any of the black guys because they were “unelectable.”
Hmm, telling the governor of a state who elected 2 black Senators, one of which will become President in a couple of weeks not to appoint the black guys because they were “unelectable?” And now he's all strong on blocking Burris, another black guy?
People are already noticing that Reid is all strong and full of vim and vigor when it comes to Burris but bent over and held his ankles on everything else including Lieberman. They've already pointed out how the Senate cheered Ted Felon Stevens but is intent on blocking/expelling somebody who hasn't done anything wrong. The knowledge that only the black people were on Reid's do not call list and his strong reaction to Burriss only makes the situation worse.
So I think Harry's time just might be up, and Obama gets rid of a weak and ineffective person and installs his own guy.
I certaintly hope this is how it goes down.
ceetay
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I'm new on this site, but have enjoyed reading everyone's take the issues since the primaries. With that said, Harry Reid should stay the hell out of Illinois politics. I find it very interesting that Reid “cares” so much that he “forgot” to find his outage against the GOP wanting to filibuster Al Franken's confirmation. I also wonder if Reid is giving Gov. Paterson an earful about who he thinks is “electable” in NY. (BTW, Caroline Kennedy will be a fine senator.) Another thing that's puzzling is Menendez. He went along with Reid on this. Why? Why is a NJ senator so concerned with this and not sticking his nose in the search for Clinton's successor (who he supported early on)? Just throwing that out there.
As for Burris, I don't know. I think all sides are dirty with this pick, but I'm not from Chicago so it's hard for me to judge. If the people there think he can do the job, then that's fine with me.
That's my 2 cents.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
For Real.
We at JJP can train people on spotting “The Pattern” when it comes to race and gender. We have PhDs in Double Standards, and Bullshyt detectors that fire up with the first post of troll flaming nonsense.
rikyrah
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
EVENING THREAD IS UP
heartsandflowers
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Well damn! Tell us how you REALLY feel! Ha! Ok but we (those of us that want equal representation, a seat at the table with the full meal AND dessert, and check signing privileges need to get on it!). We need our own think tanks and groups and I think they need to be separate from the old guard do-nothing Civil Rights groups but if we can find some common ground with them fine. There is also a huge segment of people who are literally drowning right now in a variety of internal and external obstacles that have to be addressed separately as well. There are competent viable Black females in politics who should be considered for the Lt Gov and Senate seat in NYS for example but I heard nary a peep out of any political blogs discussing this.
Lessons in Political Dominance We Can Learn From: http://snipurl.com/9985z
Why Should C. Kennedy Be the Only Woman Considered for NYS Senate? http://snipurl.com/8styn
heartsandflowers
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Reid probably thought this was his time to secure his “power” separate from the President since he was such a lap dog before. But he's totally mishandled things.
heartsandflowers
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Well look at who's in her district!? People were too caught up in same gender marriage (instead of helping working class SFers) that Newsom used as for political brownie points to dodge a recall that was mounting against him. We see how hard the backlash has been and how those that support it in theory (like me) have had to deal with those that feel entitled to it above all else. I knew he was full of it with his support but I couldn't find any reports that said otherwise until last week.
heartsandflowers
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
I would be very careful about vetting the sources and purpose behind articles and stories in the corporate media and taking them at face value. Or do you believe everything you read as reliable and accurate?
hotchimera
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com has the numbers and he thinks Harry Reid did his job by say J Jackson Jr not electable go to his site and see his analysis here
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/01/is-jesse...
Nate is usually right and have to give Reid props on this one, which is unusual for me since he gets things mostly wrong. On this one he gots the Prez's back and I am glad for it! It ain't about black on this one it is about winning and giving Obama the majority so he can govern. We can't be emotional and stupid about this stuff we have to be clear-eyed and levelheaded like our Prez. There will be plenty of times to be upset with Reid but on this one he is steady. Think with our heads on this one not our hearts. Love Jesse but love ain't going to be enough to give him the seat this time statewide.
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
H&F — That's how I feel about ppl supporting the Blago-Burris show — it's like Newsome in SF grand-standing that must be blocked b/c it actually defeats the things ppl claim they want.
So, not trying to compare them explicitly just saying people can end up feeling passionately about something — but letting it distract from a larger goal.
rikyrah
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I wonder how Obama would have fared at the beginning of 'polling' for the 2004 Senate seat?
How could have Carol Moseley Braun would have fared at the beginning of her Senate quest?
Sepia
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Dang! Rikyrah, thanks to your post I'm gonna have to tune in to MTP to see how Harry Reid explains this one. :-P
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 pm
And why roll over on Bush like an ol' hound dog for eight years, but he now wants to act like he's Frank Lucas, and Obama is a “Simple-Simon Mutha Effer”?
Another dog that's not hunting.
CPL
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Get 'em , girlfriend! Newsom talking outta both sides of his neck, and as a result, San Francisco's about to lose that “Liberal” label she has worn for decades, thanks to Pelosi and her bullshyt.
I hope Cindy Sheehan is regrouping to challenge her ass in 2010; I'll come home to wear out shoe leather for that.
Micheline
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Co-sign
Micheline
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Umm Burris was also not on Obama's list.
hotchimera
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
obama had his probs with all communities including ours. In this poll Jesse has 81% black support. Obama had to fight to just get us to look at him. So to me your point is moot because apples and oranges saying applies. Blacks did not think Obama could win until he won Iowa looks like they think Jesse could win rite now but his name alone will drag him down with the rest of the country. Hey, he could run if he wants but I just think he is not a good candidate for full state election. Just my opinion. Can agree to disagree with you on this one. You obviously are not going to change your perspective and I for sure am not going to change mine. sigh. Mosely Braun did not have Jesse's lugguage either. Jackson name will not help him Statewide.
Town
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Is Obama the governor of Illinois?
No, Rod Blagojevich is, and HE and only HE has the executive authority to appoint people.
You need to run back to Daily Kos and get your A-game straight before trying to tangle with me on this one.
Micheline
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Cool your jets. Obama has a right to express interest in who will replace him. Blagojevich was also getting phone calls from Durbin. That's customary. There's nothing unusual about all these contacts. Reading that article, one can tell that they were working off of that list provided by Obama because all those names appear in that list.
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Hold on, now- in this comment, you're all about the “electability” argument, as if that's the only thing you're factoring in. As if you just think that Blago appointed the wrong person because he's “unelectable”, but you don't have a problem with him appointing someone. But earlier you said…
“All this talk about Burris being honorable is a bunch of bunk. Look at his actions. Are these actions of an honorable man.”
If you strongly feel that anyone who would accept an appointment from Blago is less than honorable, what's the point of going further to make any other arguments? Evidently you just think that any candidate you feel is “unelectable” is dishonorable if he/she accepts the Senate appointment from Blago. If it had been someone you deem “electable”, then you wouldn't have a problem with them accepting the appointment from Blago, right?
Justice58
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
You'd better pay close attention to what you say around Sherlock…or risk being investigated! lol
hotchimera
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm
wrong and wrong and wrong on all ur points.
Anyone Blago appoints should not be seated. period. Let there be an election if the State can afford it and let the chips fall where they may. Put it in the people's hands.
if State cannot afford it then impeach the bastard and let the Lt gov appoint someone to be a place holder. If Burris had refused Blago and then come out at a presser to announce his refusal with an explanation of why he refused re: tainted appointment only then would he have the cred. This would have gone a long way to healing the situation and helping him to put his face out there in a positive light instead of in a cloud.
So I do not know where you get your insight about my thoughts from but so far you are wrong down to the color of my skin. Good causes bring good effects and bad bring bad. This is the unassailable law of the universe.
Nothing good can come from Blago or anything he touches and Burris is tainted and under a cloud. Dems in Illinois tried to be too cute by far and now have created a monster. Now they should let to and let God. Put the thing in the hands of the people or impeach and be done with it and move on already.
By the no one in their right mind would have touched this and this says alot about Burris. Once again I would feel the same way regardless of gender, class, race etc etc
Plantsmantx
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
“from but so far you are wrong down to the color of my skin.”
I said I never doubted that you're black…remember? Are you saying you're not black, now?
This is such BS. It's like saying that someone who accepts a promotion is automatically “tainted” if his/her boss is a corrupt bastard.
Stop with the self-righteous, moralistic BS about who is and isn't “honorable”. You and others have purely political reasons for not wanting to see Burris in that seat, and there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself. Be honest and talk about those political reasons, because you know damn well that if Blago had appointed someone who you think is electable statewide, you would have no problem at all with who appointed that person. Stop bullshitting.
hotchimera
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 pm
wow!!!! you apparently think you know me!
Your arrogance is astounding! I told you how I feel but u just want a fight so there is nothing more i can say. My previous reasons stand believe them or not. Methinks u protest a bit too much and need to learn reading comprehension. Your understanding regarding such seems quite stunted and limited. Wish u well in your little, tiny, puny world. You obviously have issues. buh bye am out and done.
Piepiepie
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Checkers and Chess use an 8×8 64 square alternating color board for both games.
….
soulsistah02
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Yes, I solely rely on corporate media to provide me with fair and balance accounts of the political “goings on.” But I'm stumped because I cannot figure out why I have JJP, DailyKos, 538.com, TheUptake.org, TheRoot, BlackPoliticsontheWeb and Huffington Post saved as my Favorites on my computer. I wonder what that could possibly mean? Hmm…
Rhondacoca
January 4th, 2009 at 9:20 am
lol
true999
January 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
This isn't registering over at Daily Kos. This is one of those inconvenient facts that blows a hole in their narrative about this being about “taint”.
What this really shows is that Reid and Democratic leaders were trying use extortion in order to subvert Governor Blagojevich's appointment authority.In other words, the “clean” folks were trying to blackmail the alleged dirty guy into not appointing African-American candidates , and if he did, they would not seat that person. Blago called their bluff and now we have a mess to start off the Obama era.
I hope this doesn't turn into an event that sidetracks or derails the agenda Obama and the Democrats were elected to enact. Self-inflicted wounds are a sign of incompetence.
Davey Crockett
January 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
When people say a “connection to the community” or something, what are you talking about? Old style black pols like Rush, Burris, Jones and even Jackson Jr. (to a lesser extent) who have plenty of “connection to the community” ie. the political community and its machine. Or people like Donna Edwards, Obama, Deval Patrick who have a connection to the wider community ie regular people? If people want a black, or gasp since this was implied to be so bad (by the way that's snark to the annoying critical tone of Dan Seals), a half-black Senator than they ought to go with the later. Now I don't think that person is Dan Seals, who, I'd agree as a two-time loser obviously doesn't have a whole lot of electability. But still, I'm sure there's some sort of a businessperson and or activist and or state legislator etc out there who is qualified and not part of the old boys (cause they usually are) club, ie. part of the later group. Sorry, I don't think that's Jackson Jr., or even Burris who has acted foolish during this. Granted not as foolish as Reid, but still, pretty ridiculous.
Hm.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:58 am
FYI: Dan Seals grew up in Chicago and his father was on the Chicago Bears.
Hm.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:58 am
FYI: Dan Seals grew up in Chicago and his father was on the Chicago Bears.