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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/01/friday-open-thread-23/comment-page-4/#comment-162611</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its time for Mr Obama to get off the dime and get those girls the dog he promised them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time for Mr Obama to get off the dime and get those girls the dog he promised them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/01/friday-open-thread-23/comment-page-4/#comment-129698</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its time for Mr Obama to get off the dime and get those girls the dog he promised them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time for Mr Obama to get off the dime and get those girls the dog he promised them.</p>
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		<title>By: Monie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you realize how infrequent Black faces have appeared in Vogue in the past?   I know you know the answer to that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yet Anna Wintour, and pratically the entire fashion industry has embraced the Obama family wholeheartedly.  And I think that it is a HUGE improvement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Only now have we seen an emergence of minority women in the pages /covers of many publications like Vogue....and a lot of it is due to the &quot;Barack and Michelle Obama effect.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you realize how infrequent Black faces have appeared in Vogue in the past?   I know you know the answer to that.</p>
<p>Yet Anna Wintour, and pratically the entire fashion industry has embraced the Obama family wholeheartedly.  And I think that it is a HUGE improvement.</p>
<p>Only now have we seen an emergence of minority women in the pages /covers of many publications like Vogue&#8230;.and a lot of it is due to the &#8220;Barack and Michelle Obama effect.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sepia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sepia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know for a fact that they were prepared?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know for a fact that they were prepared?</p>
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		<title>By: evita</title>
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		<dc:creator>evita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that many people felt slighted. Does the that Michelle and Barrack are Black automatically mean that someone who is also African American be a part of every aspect of what they do to feel represented? I&#039;m not saying that is what you are saying... I&#039;m asking to put the idea in the air- at which point is being critical about this one detail and perhaps  diminishing the multicultural sentiment of also including other groups in the day. There was LOTS of African Americans represented during the inauguration from Aretha Franklin to Joe Lowery, African American culture and tradition was represented, in my opinion very prominently...and I loved it.  But being critical over not getting a shout out in Michelle&#039;s clothing? Sounds like jealousy and greed to me and NOT AT ALL respectful or grateful for best representation of all- the First family.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where is HER sense of community? Or is she defining community as only the African American community? He is the President of Cuban Americans, Asian Americans, white Americans, people with disabilities, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;She can feel slighted, or she can feel proud that other communities of color and less recognized designers were given a special opportunity. I&#039;m sad she chose the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t doubt that many people felt slighted. Does the that Michelle and Barrack are Black automatically mean that someone who is also African American be a part of every aspect of what they do to feel represented? I&#39;m not saying that is what you are saying&#8230; I&#39;m asking to put the idea in the air- at which point is being critical about this one detail and perhaps  diminishing the multicultural sentiment of also including other groups in the day. There was LOTS of African Americans represented during the inauguration from Aretha Franklin to Joe Lowery, African American culture and tradition was represented, in my opinion very prominently&#8230;and I loved it.  But being critical over not getting a shout out in Michelle&#39;s clothing? Sounds like jealousy and greed to me and NOT AT ALL respectful or grateful for best representation of all- the First family.</p>
<p>Where is HER sense of community? Or is she defining community as only the African American community? He is the President of Cuban Americans, Asian Americans, white Americans, people with disabilities, etc.</p>
<p>She can feel slighted, or she can feel proud that other communities of color and less recognized designers were given a special opportunity. I&#39;m sad she chose the former.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She could do a fashion history of Black America for the entire month of February. Complete with all the hairstyles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d so enjoy the 60s and 70s looks. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(wink)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She could do a fashion history of Black America for the entire month of February. Complete with all the hairstyles.</p>
<p>I&#39;d so enjoy the 60s and 70s looks. </p>
<p>(wink)</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/05/30/healing_the_wounds_of_democrats_sexism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;As for Reagan Democrats, how Clinton was treated is not their issue. They are more concerned with how they have been treated. Since March, when I was accused of being racist for a statement I made about the influence of blacks on Obama&#039;s historic campaign, people have been stopping me to express a common sentiment: If you&#039;re white you can&#039;t open your mouth without being accused of being racist. They see Obama&#039;s playing the race card throughout the campaign and no one calling him for it as frightening. They&#039;re not upset with Obama because he&#039;s black; they&#039;re upset because they don&#039;t expect to be treated fairly because they&#039;re white. It&#039;s not racism that is driving them, it&#039;s racial resentment. And that is enforced because they don&#039;t believe he understands them and their problems. That when he said in South Carolina after his victory &quot;Our Time Has Come&quot; they believe he is telling them that their time has passed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/05/30/healing_the_wounds_of_democrats_sexism/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opi.." rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opi..</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for Reagan Democrats, how Clinton was treated is not their issue. They are more concerned with how they have been treated. Since March, when I was accused of being racist for a statement I made about the influence of blacks on Obama&#39;s historic campaign, people have been stopping me to express a common sentiment: If you&#39;re white you can&#39;t open your mouth without being accused of being racist. They see Obama&#39;s playing the race card throughout the campaign and no one calling him for it as frightening. They&#39;re not upset with Obama because he&#39;s black; they&#39;re upset because they don&#39;t expect to be treated fairly because they&#39;re white. It&#39;s not racism that is driving them, it&#39;s racial resentment. And that is enforced because they don&#39;t believe he understands them and their problems. That when he said in South Carolina after his victory &#8220;Our Time Has Come&#8221; they believe he is telling them that their time has passed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral_Komack</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/01/friday-open-thread-23/comment-page-4/#comment-129446</link>
		<dc:creator>Admiral_Komack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whining to the press is not helpful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Michelle Obama will be First Lady for at least four years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Submit your ideas and let her decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
<p>Whining to the press is not helpful.</p>
<p>Michelle Obama will be First Lady for at least four years.</p>
<p>Submit your ideas and let her decide.</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with you and I don&#039;t understand what is that you disagree with about what I stated which was that I would have like to have seen a black designer in one of the slots and even before during the campaign.  My desire - that&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t disagree with you and I don&#39;t understand what is that you disagree with about what I stated which was that I would have like to have seen a black designer in one of the slots and even before during the campaign.  My desire &#8211; that&#39;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe this will help:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  I am not angry she didn&#039;t wear a black designer&#039;s dress to her husband&#039;s Inaugural Ball.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  I actually liked the dress she selected.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3.  MO will undergo a White House style transformation (like all the women who have preceded her) and her look will change to reflect her new role.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4.  I have absolutely no reason to think her WH style will not showcase black designers.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4.  I will give her time to make the style transformation.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5.  I respect your right to disagree with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe this will help:</p>
<p>1.  I am not angry she didn&#39;t wear a black designer&#39;s dress to her husband&#39;s Inaugural Ball.  </p>
<p>2.  I actually liked the dress she selected.</p>
<p>3.  MO will undergo a White House style transformation (like all the women who have preceded her) and her look will change to reflect her new role.  </p>
<p>4.  I have absolutely no reason to think her WH style will not showcase black designers.  </p>
<p>4.  I will give her time to make the style transformation.  </p>
<p>5.  I respect your right to disagree with me.</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be obviously tacky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be obviously tacky.</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t supporting the author or her argument, the story took me back to early in the campaign when I hoped that she would choose some up and coming AA designers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#39;t supporting the author or her argument, the story took me back to early in the campaign when I hoped that she would choose some up and coming AA designers.</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Whitehouse culture mean you can&#039;t select a black designer?    Doe s the culture mean you don&#039;t have to or does it mean you should wait until someone else tells you it&#039;s okay, or do not choose a black designer because you don&#039;t like their designs?  Your argument/position is all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Whitehouse culture mean you can&#39;t select a black designer?    Doe s the culture mean you don&#39;t have to or does it mean you should wait until someone else tells you it&#39;s okay, or do not choose a black designer because you don&#39;t like their designs?  Your argument/position is all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe she&#039;ll sport Black designers during Black History Month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe she&#39;ll sport Black designers during Black History Month.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/01/friday-open-thread-23/comment-page-4/#comment-129409</link>
		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if the author had said it the way you just did....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if the author had said it the way you just did&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s extraordinary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn. </p>
<p>That&#39;s extraordinary.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That was our moment.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, it wasn&#039;t.  It was Michelle Obama&#039;s moment.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That was our moment.</i></p>
<p>No, it wasn&#39;t.  It was Michelle Obama&#39;s moment.  </p>
<p>&#39;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Co-sign!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Co-sign!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think White House culture is vastly different from life as a Senate spouse, or living in a suitcase on the campaign trail.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m gonna give her a chance to get acclimated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think White House culture is vastly different from life as a Senate spouse, or living in a suitcase on the campaign trail.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m gonna give her a chance to get acclimated.</p>
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		<title>By: Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No we don&#039;t know all the facts but we&#039;re prepared to claim that Michelle Obama is dissing and slighting black designers without those facts, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No we don&#39;t know all the facts but we&#39;re prepared to claim that Michelle Obama is dissing and slighting black designers without those facts, right?</p>
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