A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics

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From Essence.com:
POSTED: DECEMBER 12, 2008
The Malia and Sasha Effect
Gwen Ifill
When I was about the age Sasha Obama is now, I received a wonderful present. It was a cocoa-colored baby doll with shiny black hair. So thrilled was I with this tiny little look-alike that I vowed to take very good care of her. This meant never washing her hair so it would remain shiny and straight. (This was the 1960’s when sitting by the stove with a hot comb on Saturday night was mandatory.)
Now here come Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, perfectly lovely little brown girls with toothy smiles and brainy parents. They are a delight to watch, but I worry about them a bit because they are still so young. Children living in the White House come of age under the most intense scrutiny. As the girls walked onstage in their little party dresses the night their daddy was elected president, a spotlight shone on them that may never switch off. They are about to become the world’s most famous children.
I have been studying them, occasionally up close but mostly from afar. Malia, the older, more serious one, seems most like her father-ever observant and a bit cerebral. Sasha, the younger, is the child who sometimes waves irrepressibly at crowds and at other times hides in the campaign bus when supporters want to sing “Happy Birthday” to her. Mostly they are just children thrust into an impossible limelight when all they want is a dog and perhaps the chance to sneak some contraband ice cream at Grandma’s house.
I am taken by what America will now see in these two little brown girls. Not victims, like the little girls who died at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in 1963. Not hoochie mamas, like the Black girls who shake their rumps in music videos. Just two happy, playful, well-adjusted future Black women.
Barack Obama was the one who first got me thinking about the image of these two girls in the White House. It was at a Black journalists convention in 2007 when he mused . about what it would mean for other children to see his daughters running around on the South Lawn. “That changes how America looks at itself,” he said. “It changes how White children think about Black children, and it changes how Black children think about Black children.”
It is an utterly compelling image-two bright and pretty little girls clearly delighted to be in their parents’ company. They are well behaved, and they’re shining examples. For me, it’s a relief that our daughters have a more realistic reflection of themselves than cocoa-colored dolls.
I agree about the WeeMichelles. To see them, when we get to see them, dressed like little girls, not like wannabeHooochies. Them and that dog. Them meeting their father as he gets off Marine One. So many moments over the next 4, hopefully 8 years.
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PunditMom
December 13th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
This is also great for my daughter, who is Asian-American. At the age of eight, she notices that so many of the people she sees on TV as representatives of our country are Caucasian (like her parents), so I am hoping the presence of Malia and Sasha on the national stage will help give her a new perspective.
Mark
December 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Just the idea that black women and all women of color can see positive images of themselves via the White House, that is the best thing of all in this new era of Obama's. I for one am so tired of the negative sterotypes that women of color still get in 2008.
thembi
December 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
I really do believe that having them as go-to young black girls is one of the best things to happen to black folks out of this whole deal. Rudy Huxtable wasn't even real and things haven't even been the same since she's been grown!
thembi
December 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I really do believe that having them as go-to young black girls is one of the best things to happen to black folks out of this whole deal. Rudy Huxtable wasn't even real and things haven't even been the same since she's been grown!
Trumystique
December 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
One thing I am happy to see about these little girls is they are respectful, shy( sometimes), regular little girls. I think this will great for America to see because too often black little girls are invisible to them. To see these girls with their dog, on the lawn, at school will be an incredibly power symbol for this nation AND the world. Think about it- the most powerful couple in the world is BLACK. One of the most privileged little girls in the world are black. ( This changes nothing for the thousands of black girls whose father arent around or are in prison. But we cant deny the power of symbols and they way it can change hearts and minds about what is possible)
AS AN ASIDE
I also am happy to see them with their little natural hair styles. Of course when they have a big function there hair is pressed straight buts its for the beltway. DC doesnt like nappy hair. Though I do wonder when the axe will drop and Malia will start getting her hair relaxed.
hotandsexychimera
December 13th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
my daughter is the only dreadlocked darkskinned kid in her class who lived in Tokyo, Japan and is a buddhist. Seeing Malia, who is around her age, and Sasha is an excellent symbol for her even though we keep her grounded in her history and heritage of an African American/Carbbean. She met Obama and shook his hands and he said some nice words to her. she always asks me if I think he rememebers her. I guess he made her feel quite special when they met. smiles.
James T. Gerald
December 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I give much credit to the fifty two or three million people, who were not just votes, but a people who were inspired and motivated, who wanted to see change in the White House. I believe this bring that perspective that America needed to reclaim its soul.
I was never so impacted about racism until I returned from Vietnam and tryed to rent a room at a Howard Johnson in Topeka, Kansas in 1971. I was told that I could not be served a breakfest because of my race, because it was for “whites” only.
From that time on, I begin to accept American as a white society, and my place in their society was that of a hopeless black man, even after the 1964-5 civil-rights bill was inacted. Why did I say “hopeless”, because when everyone with power to enforce the law are white men, their primary concern is the well-being of their own kind, (white people)
Even in my persuite of employment, with all of the advantages of a veteran, I could not qualify to be a police officer, fireman or an administator. I use to ask myself, why did I go and risk my life in Vietnam for a hand full of white men who were the CEOs, presidents of organizations, enterprises and companies that made money by keeping the military industrial complex war michine supplied.
I had to know and understand, why should I be compelled to pay taxes, federal and state, to fund the budgets of local, state, and federal agents, but not be able to serve as a member of any local organization.
I was convinced that it was my lack of education, I needed a degree, but then I found out that the jobs that I wanted did not require a degree, but I was a black man. Which
made me an ideal type for low income jobs that white men refuged to work. I begain to see America for what it really was, and my place in it. It was then I had to learn to think differently, which required many years of research to fine the answers I needed to make
that change. Today the change has come to the White House, now let's see A,merica change for the better, for all of its citizens.
LTMidknite
December 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Just out of curiousity, why do you refer to Malia and Sasha as the “WeeMichelles”. I'm assuming it is because they are girls, but such a name makes it sound as if Barack has nothing to do with them. Like he's not part of their lives.
Again, just out of curiouslity.
Town
December 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
You rarely see Asian children on TV, except for “London Tipton” on the Suite Life of Zack & Cody and “Manny” on Degrassi.
Miranda
December 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
OMG……I'm sorry if I offend, but its just not healthy to be so anal retentive you see slights in the most ridiculous places. For goodness sakes, eat more fiber.
LTMidknite
December 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Again, this is just a curiousity. My intent was not to make a big brouhaha about it.
And I was actually hoping the author responded.
heartsandflowers
December 13th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
The blog host Gina McCauley from What About Our Daughters and Michelle Obama Watch started using the term and it took off. I believe this was around the time Michelle was first attacked in print and the added scrutiny of the children. It doesn't do anything to diminish Barack's presence in their lives but he has repeatedly credited his wife for raising their daughters as the reason why they are so lovely. It's mentioned in his books that he was gone a lot and had to step up.
rikyrah
December 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
EVENING THREAD IS UP
Wordsmith
December 13th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Sometimes you just want to know why something 'is' and that's it.
LTMidknite
December 13th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Exactly. Thank you heartsandflowers. It now makes more sense.
isonprize
December 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
DC doesn't like nappy hair.
You ain't never lied with that one. Whewww. I traveled to DC for a business meeting and I had more sisters staring at me (or more accurately, my hair) that men! And all I wear is two strand twists. I haven't even decided to lock it yet. What's up with that?
Philly is all about whatever you want to do with it. Perm it, twist it, wig it, whatever… (Though I do have a thing against some of these cheapie wigs that mostly the young girls wear. Most older women who wear wigs take the time to get a style and cut that flatters them. Some of the young girls spend maybe $10, slap it on and go!)
And of course, some women haven't felt the texture of the hair that naturally grows out of their heads in so long, they have no idea what to do with it.
So… yes, I love the Malia and Sasha wear that hair like I think little girls should — natural, the way it grows outta their scalps. Twists, cornrows, pigtails, ponytails and the hot comb, every once in a while. — oh, the versatility.
I hope Malia and Sasha never get a 'perm'. Besides, you never know, it must just take a good blowdry, a little grease and a flat iron.
spirit_55z
December 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Trumystique, what does this statement mean: “DC doesnt like nappy hair.”
rikyrah
December 13th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
the only place more color conscious than DC is maybe New Orleans.
Slave Revolt
December 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Popular Culture in the US, with its glaring whiteness, has always creeped me out.
Hopefully, the Obama presidency and the representation of these precious girls will move the nation into a more inclusive, more sane and just direction.
One thing is for sure, Michelle and Barack will have their hands full trying to keep these blooming young ladies grounded. But I think they have the wisdom to do it.
I love these girls—like all kids, they have that spark of light that simply cuts through the cynisim and disease that hobbles our nation. Bless them.
(Wonder how the little ones will adjust to their new bedrooms. These are awefully big rooms–and who knows what kind of monsters might be under the bed! Suffice to say–no scary movies for them.)
undoctored
December 13th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Could someone tell me (because I really don't understand) if the only way for an African-American woman to have “straight” hair is to “press” it. I'm led to believe in reading some posts that for some “nappy” hair is a bad thing. Has this always been the case? I seem to remember that in the 60s and 70s the Afro was in style. Do you think it could come back in style if we saw the First Lady and her daughters not “press” their hair?
Miranda
December 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
New Orleans is a trip. When I was in college I worked for an attorney who was the lead counsel in the Shoney's class action discrimination lawsuit. The stuff that happened in Louisiana, New Orleans in particular was absolutely mind-boggling. It was unique from most of the stories from other states in that those of creole backgrounds with light skin, seriously treated darker skinned individuals like chattel. We were so used to reading about the horrific experiences of black employees by white managers, but those managers in New Orleans took it to a whole new level…and many of those managers were light skinned black folks.
spirit_55z
December 13th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
rikyrah, I guess I've been gone om the area way too long. Color conscious? DC's no longer considered CHOCOLATE CITY,eh?
I lived south of DC nearly all my life, and curently residing in
Minnesota sporting a full blown Angela Davis AFro.
So I guess this means black folk don't like to wear their hair naturally? They're
experimenting with a myriad of styles. Long & straight in-nappy &short out.
spirit_55z
December 13th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
undoctored, for me, I set my own trend. I just posted down thread that I used to live in the DC/Maryland area. I've lived in the Northeast, Southwest, and Toronto, Ontario Canada. Currently living in Minnesota; I've lived here for 10 years.
I've worn a full blown Afro for over 15 years; a big honkin afro. love it, and don't look for validation or approval from anyone.
I guess the question is, do we need some one who looks like us ascend into high profile status define how we should look, act, or be?
Being different can make us a Leader or an Outcast, sometimes we have to make that choice.
I'm sure Michelle and the girls will make the choice that's right for them.
Trumystique
December 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
People have already responded and beat me to the punch. I often go to DC for business trips. I have never seen so many people stare at me. I expect people to stare at me in the South. And since so many people say DC isnt really the South ( let me not digress).
Anyway, so many people stare at you when you are rocking dreadlocs as if they are wondering “Whats that growing out of her head?'. Its pretty surprising for a city of its size, considered to be cosmopolitan and with so many black people that this would happen. And I know I am not paranoid because black and white people BOTH in DC have stared and asked about my hair. This hasnt happened in Philly or Boston and while I expect this in Atlanta– it initially suprised me of DC. And of course its can be sometimes a shock coming from NYC (Brooklyn) which feels like the beautiful nappy headed capitol of the US. But I am positive no one likes the nappyheads much in DC.
Trumystique
December 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
undoctored, there are basically 3 ways for a black woman to have straight hair.
1. chemical product applied to the hair called a “perm” or “relaxer” that denatures the protein in the hair making it straight
2. using heat in the form of a hot comb or hot air which is called a “press” or “blow out” so that hair is straightened
3. a weave where extensions of straight hair are glued or sewn into the hair
Now you are lucky I am feeling in a teachable moment kind of mood ( because you could have googled for this information) and not reacted in a completely reactionary manner and interpreted your comment as if you are trying to learn about “native” culture.
Anyway its not clear what impact the Obama family will have on the way in which black women and others view black women's hair. Check out White on Black by J v Pieterse for an interesting explanation of the images of black people through history. Its OOP but its a wonderful read.
whiterosebuddy
December 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
No undoctored that is not the only way for AA women to have 'straight hair.
Many AA women are born with straight hair. Others blow dry their hair straight just like girls of Jewish/Italian and Chelsea Clinton AK hillbilly descent do.
The term 'nappy' hair refers to tightly coiled individual strands and it is only bad if the person seeks to have european straight hair. Using the term 'nappy hair' has generally been taken as a derogatory term as a slight about the texture not being straight. You know the way lots of italians, greeks and jews hate their curly hair…that kind thing you know? How folks always want a type of hair they don't have, you know how women also want a body type they don't have?
The Afro was not considered Nappy it was a glorious statement of a political mindset born from the song of James Brown saying I'm black and proud along with Stokley Carmichael and malcom who imbued the Negro mindset with self-esteem and political power.
As far as the natural texture coming back in style, it has never gone out of style. You know like you see Kim on Myles of Styles on HG TV, or there are pictures of Malia in church on Father's Day listening to her day with coiled springy unpressed hair.
Hair styles being in is all a matter of what you want to do with your hair and it's texture.
You know the same way European girls where there's curly or straight or twisted?
Women of African descent get to do the same thing…it is all about whatever mood their spirit is in.
Thanks for asking undoctored.
Hope you feel doctored up now.
whiterosebuddy
December 13th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
ctfu !!! @ Miranda;..eat more fiber….rotfl
Trumystique
December 13th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
3 ways if she is not actually born with straight hair. Damn me typing too fast
undoctored
December 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Whiterosebuddy, thank you so much for your very informative answer. This question has been in the back of my mind since I received a curious answer to a question I asked a beautiful black musician now in her sixties. In the course of a discussion, I asked her if she had ever thought about swimming as a form of exercise. She answered, “I never learned how to swim like a lot of black women my age because we couldn't do that and keep our hair straight.” I didn't understand why someone wouldn't want to learn to swim because of a preoccupation with hair. I'm beginning to understand why this was and apparently continues to be such a big concern.
adriana
December 13th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
I'm a Latina curly head, and I can say that I love the ease of wearing my hair natural instead of beating it into submission with a flat iron, dryer, etc. When it is hot, especially, talk about torture, being under a dryer and then spending time (that you could be doing something else) pressing out your hair. No me gusta!
spirit_55z
December 13th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
adriana, libertad de pelo ! ! Co-signing! :-))
rikyrah
December 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I know I hawk the book, but read the chapter on DC in Graham's ' Our Kind of People'.
Remember, DC is one place where there has been a Black Professional Class – FOR GENERATIONS.
there was also a book, I forget the title, but it was about Clarence Thomas, who keeps on talking about the Old Dunbar High School as this model of Black excellence, and the crux of this book was – if Clarence had gone to Dunbar ' back when', in its heyday – he would have never been popular – for he fails the Paperbag Test.
I found it.
Here's an excerpt from the article:
The black elite of the period enforced a well-known color caste system, according to Audrey Elisa Kerr, author of “The Paper Bag Principle: Class, Colorism, and Rumor and the Case of Black Washington DC.”
Kerr quotes former Dunbar students as describing light-skinned blacks as “privileged.” “The social experience of the 'fairest' of Dunbar students was marked by their ability to 'pass' [for white] in and around Washington D.C. after school,” she writes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
heartsandflowers
December 14th, 2008 at 1:08 am
They'll need to bring in all sorts of shamans and healers and do a thorough sage burning to get rid of all the bad juju outta that place!!
heartsandflowers
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
And that's part of the reason why he chose to be such a (literal) hater of Blacks.
Miranda
December 14th, 2008 at 6:06 am
I'm gonna have to go ahead and buy “Our Kind Of People”, LOL….I didn't wanna, but the topic really fascinates me to no end.
Miranda
December 14th, 2008 at 6:11 am
He really needs to come to grips with those feelings. Unlike anybody else who went thru the same things he did, he has been put into a position where his “revenge” is affecting the entire population of the United States. I shiver to think that in a ruling on affirmative action he's having flashbacks to 6th grade and voting in a way as to payback Alma Jean Dupree who told him he was too black to sit with her at lunch.
Texas_Girl_in_LA
December 14th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Well…I broke down and bought it this week. I blame Rikyrah…
Rhondacoca
December 14th, 2008 at 8:50 am
I wrote a paper in undergrad outlining for black women have become enslaved by their hair hence limiting their prospects and self-esteem in this life. It is almost like slavery. Its sad but its one of the result of white supremacy and constructions of womanhood and beauty.
rikyrah
December 14th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Graham opens the chapter on DC at his brother's wedding. He said he didn't know that his future sister-in-law had invited a lot of Black folk to the wedding – cause they all looked White to him. And, their reaction to his brother and wife wanting to ' jump the broom'.
I thought to myself – that just about says it all.
Rhondacoca
December 14th, 2008 at 8:56 am
“This changes nothing for the thousands of black girls whose father arent around or are in prison. But we cant deny the power of symbols and they way it can change hearts and minds about what is possible”
You do not have to be in either one of those predicaments to have to face the constant dehumanization of being a black girl in this society.
I dealt with this on a regualr basis and it nearly destroyed me until I sought empowerment and liberation.
Lets not believe that blacks only face certain issues when they are poor and downtrodden. I work endlessly to dispel this.
Studies have shown the damaging effects of years of racist ideologies on the lives of black girls- standards of beauty, sexuality, the fact that we are seen as “overly aggressive” ( a hegemonic male characteristic) etc…its a battle and society through popular culture as well as other institutions do not help.
Rhondacoca
December 14th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Also, I would like for people to start talking about how much these girls represent many young black girls rather than what I am constantly hearing. People behave as if the Obamas are the first decent black people in America and “other blacks must take heed”.
I want to know how this effect will take place. Will people use this opportunity to open their eyes about the humanity of little black girls, young black women and black women or will they simply look at them as an exception or rare case.
The number one thing that bothers me about this whole Obama family symbolism parade is that I find more people are looking at the Obamas as some exception to other blacks and that black people must aspire to be them rather than the fact that many black people like my family are just like the Obamas.
What do you guys think?
Do you think that this will be a case of more “black exceptionalism” or will it actually have an effect on the way people view the humanity of black women in general.
Miranda
December 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am
OMG…so the guest thought “jumping the broom” was beneath them?
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 10:05 am
rikyrah, thanks. I'll read the book.
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I was actually thinking of something completely different when I wrote
“This changes nothing for the thousands of black girls whose father arent around or are in prison. But we cant deny the power of symbols and they way it can change hearts and minds about what is possible”.
Rather if followed from me saying
“Think about it- the most powerful couple in the world is BLACK. One of the most privileged little girls in the world are black.”
I was actually thinking about all these people who will see the Obamas and in the White House as the beginning of a post racial society with all the ills of racism and legacies of inequality suddenly-poof-be-gone. The reason I chose that example was because I was talking about power. And was trying to think of the EXTREMES of power. On one end the Obamas- arguably the most powerful black people in the world and trying to think of some of the most powerless/vulnerable people in this country and I thought about the black orphans of America's War on Drugs.
I hear your point about forgetting the middle and always talking about the extremes. I hear your frustration and I share it. But I did think it was an appropriate comparison in terms of the ways I was thinking.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Rhondacoca, major cosigning! It makes sense to me.
I addressed this with a question down thread:
“I guess the question is, do we need some one who looks like us ascend into high profile status define how we should look, act, or be?”
I have two black daughters; will folks see their humanity more now? Didn't they see it before? Do we need to examine our own self worth? Blacks are still buying into color caste systems. Who's defining us?
I have a loving, healthy relationship with my husband, daughters and friends, because I say so, not because of someone elses image or rise to prominence.
I belong to no particular groups, or cliques. It works to move in and out of circles of people; their is a freedom in not needing to fit in, yet still contribute to the greater whole.
As to your question: Do you think that this will be a case of more “black exceptionalism” or will it actually have an effect on the way people view the humanity of black women in general?”
I think the Obama's rise to prominnence opened the door to self-examination for not onl Americans, but the entire world. For Blacks, I see it as a gateway to further embrace our humanity and limitless being as Soul, because it has always been within us.
How do little black girls& black women see themselves before, during and after the Obamas?
I THINK THE OBAMAS ARE A TRUE INSPIRATION TO THE WORLD. THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT INSPIRED BARACK TO GO TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO AND BECOME A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.
BARACK USED THE IDEAS OF THAT GENERATION TO HOPE AND DREAM THAT HE COULD BECOME POTUS; AND HE IS NOW PRESIDENT -ELECT. WE ALL GIVE AND RECEIVE INSPIRATION TO EACH OTHER. WE ARE ALL LIMITLESS IN WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE!
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 10:58 am
How have black people been talking about the Obamas? For many of my friends they fell in love with Michele first ( and Barack benefited from that overflow of love). The love for Michelle among the women I know is huge. The main reason is because she make us VISIBLE to the larger society as educated, upwardly mobile black women. She has modest roots but was educated in great schools, got a graduate degree and did everything right. She speaks to our ambitions, our work ethic, our challenges and hopes that have ALWAYS been there. Who else do we have in popular culture to represent us? Oprah, Condi Rice, Omarosa, Jada Pinkett- I know there are others. But really these women are powerful symbols. Another important point is that Michelle Obama has a family with kids. And we want that too. And she makes our hopes and our lives visible in a way that I think other women in the public eye havent. Because Michelle Obama is us. ( Barack is us too but I am speaking from the gendered perspective)
I think for most people the Obamas will look at the Obamas as “black exceptionalism” or the Wow- You-Arent- Like-Other-Black- People- Factor. These are the people who dont know that the black middle class existed or exists. They choose to ignore all the black people I know, all my extended family , all the families of my friends (cough Hilary Clinton cough). These are the people who will persist in thinking that the majority of black people are uneducated, in prisons, on welfare or are poor. These are also some of the same people that will want to have me as their Magical Negro friend as well to get in on the cache of the historic nature of Obama's presidency.
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Also I think some black people will also think this too -the Obamas are the exception to the rule. I think the huge downside of integration is that all stratas of black people dont live or interact with each other to the same extent. I live in the Northeast. Committed upwardly mobile black people may make contributions through money, time and mentoring but they rarely live with black people who are lower on the class ladder. You have many superrich black people living in predom white suburbs, some black middle class neighborhoods and black working neighborhoods. So you can see symbols of what is possible in each individual neighborhood but folks in the working class neighborhood dont see whats going on in the rich or middle class hoods or vice versa.
But yes we should be taking these symbols as a time to get our house in order. Time for more black love, black preservation and uplift.
ryasgrand
December 14th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Dear Trumystique,
You put it beautifully — that you and your friends “fell in love with Michele first (and Barack benefited from that overflow of love).” That was certainly true for me. In fact, all throughout the campaign, I was looking for a bumpersticker for my car that said, “I'm voting for Michelle's husband!” :-)
And I absolutely agree with you and others here that Michelle is a marvelous representative of the kind of intellectual and creative/social capacity that exists in so many of us African American women.
But there was one thing I was a little disturbed by in your post — that was the implicit assumption that “middle class” = intelligent and accomplished and that “uneducated, in prisons, on welfare and poor” = a disgrace to the race. Forgive me if that's not what you meant, but that's the way it appeared to me. And I thought I would say something because I have seen this kind of assumption on lots of discussion groups and blogs. In my family (like lots of African American families) we have people who are poor, working poor, middle class and a few who could probably qualify as upper middle class. But intelligence, creativity, and values like dignity and compassion are present in all of us and have nothing to do with economic status. (We have our share of negative traits too — and those also exist independent of money.)
I just get worried sometimes that we too readily make a distinction between the “good” middle class black folks and the “embarrassing” great unwashed poor and un/underemployed people. I know SOO many struggling folks who believe very strongly in hard work, and the value of treating other people with kindness and respect. I just want us to be careful about doing what we accuse some outside of our community of doing — “exceptionalizing” African American goodness and intelligence. It exists among ALL of us.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Major co-sign.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Trumystique, major co-sign:
“But yes we should be taking these symbols as a time to get our house in order. Time for more black love, black preservation and uplift.”
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I dont think that poor=/= hardworking. I guess its the challenge of trying to talk about assumptions without seeming to agree with the assumptions. But how does one say “My blackness is this and NOT this…” without reaffirming erroneous assumptions. Or talk about extremes without losing the nuance and the grey in the middle ( and not write the longest post ever)
For many people and the MSM propagates this
blackness = black pathology= poor, in prison, uneducated, welfare
(There is no distinction between poor, un/educated or any other categories at all in most discussions. Even reread the discussion we had about class and Our Kind Of People )
Who is a popular face upper class black people?
Who is a popular face of middle class black people?
Who is a popular face of a working class black folk?
Who is a popular face of poor black folk?
I was trying to think of who is the face for every category that people could recognize. Who is that agreed upon symbol and acting as shorthand and poster person for the people in that category? These symbols are important because they are a shorthand for values and aspirations. Part of the issues is not having POSITIVE popular representation in the social consciousness for these categories. And thats why people can pretend that the Obamas are the first Ivy League educated or upwardly mobile or middle class or 2 parent family ( when we all know this is not true).
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Or to put it another way: where are the popular representations of our values as black people? Who is the face of the hardworking black person? Who is the face of the spiritual black person? Whatever the value- do we have a popular image for this value?
And we may have that picture for this symbol of our values but does anybody in the larger society see it?
Thats why the Obamas are powerful symbols because it allows other people to stop ignoring an aspect of our community that doesnt jibe with their image of black victim hood or pathology.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
While hair texture may have been the concern of some black women it was not the primary reason blacks didnot learn to swim.
The reason was that during JimCrow era, blacks were not allowed to swim in public pools, so they had no access to learning swimming.
In fact, one of the things MLK wrote about in his letter from the B'ham Jail when asked why he decided to march, was how he was inspired by his daughter Yolanda's question about why should could not swim in the public pool. she was only 5-6 years old and Martin said he could see the clouds forming in the blue sky of her mind as he had to tell his little girl about the burden of her skin color in the south, and thus restrict her mind by putting chains on her potential as a human being.
So, yeah swimming had something to do with hair texture but that was FAR from the really big issue.
Not to mention the fact of lean body mass not being conducive to buyoancy.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Your posts are hitting the nail on the head Tru. Keep up the good work, don't worry about the 'nuance/exception'…you have to teach the rules first, you know. The way you are expressiong yourself on topic is wonderful and encompassing.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Tru, I gotta tell you, I just do not agree with that #3…I mean…don't matter what your culture is when you wear a weave, wig or extensions. So, I just gotta disqualify that one, as a way you have straight hair, cause your hair ain't straight, the purchased hair is.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Yes, you are so right SR
That is why I am so proud that Michelle has stated clearly she is First Mom, first.
Shepharding children through adolescence and childhood is a full time job and there is nothing as difficult and rewarding as guiding humans to their full potential.
I am happy that she can choose, having herself, developed her own potential that she is now prepared and ready to share that wonder and esteem as she nurtures the same individuality of spirit in her daughters to be all that womanhood has to offer. She is an awesome role model.
I take great pleasure in knowing the range of women's choices today and feel proud that we have them. It was only when the full spectrum of womanhood is limited as to how it can be expressed that it becomes a hindrance. Choices are liberating.
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I was responding to undoctored about the ways in which black women get their hair to APPEAR straight. Looking at a black woman's hair most people wont know automatically how she got it that way. So I still think a weave with straight hair should count. Cause there is a reason why black women get weaves and there is an industry in fake hair that is financed in a BIG way by black women.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
WeeMichele is just an term of affection for the fact that dominant role model is Michelle. If we wanted to be all inclusive we could say weeObamas but then, that would not be all inclusive of their gender.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I hate to say it but I really feel we have to get out of this paradigm of focusing so much on how much melanin a person produces of AA descent. Being AA is a cultural heirtage not a melanin thang!!
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
The most damaging effect is perpetuating the ideology. You do not have to ignore it, but perpetuating the mindset is very limiting to self-expression. Skin color restraints are about the person who percieves that skin color has some societal meaning beyond biology.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
When you head south though, melanin production becomes an issue as well. So it is not just hair texture/style.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I can't STAND Otis Graham. I recommend no one to buy his book since it perpetuates the repudiation of 'african descent' features given that he proudly talks about his nose job and makes specific reference to his father.
I recommend that folks check the bookout of the library so as not to give Graham one cent. I completely rejected the books premise as the author was so denouncing of his own heirtage. Piss on his mindset.
I am all for perpetuating black success but not at the expense of perpetuating the cultural biases his mindset represents.
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
thanks
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Don't buy it, unless it is on ebay. Otherwise, check it out of the library or borrow a friends copy. Nothing in the book is illuminating enough to perpetuate his biases. Black folks being affluent ain't new. Black folks ain't no different from the rest of American in terms of the division based on socio-economics.
What we have to focus on is values which transcend divisions based on melanin production and are not exclusive to your socio-economics.
in short, values create succes not melanin production.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
i disagree, What it showed was his own limitations based on his preoccupation with color.
It is cultural heirtage and the mindset that goes with that acknowledgement not melanin production that makes you AA.
Look no further than Clarence Thomas/
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
No.
It was Otis' mindset!!
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Do you still have your receipt?
Take it back.
Get a refund.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Exactly. it is him. Not his parents.
I repeat I can't STAND Otis Graham.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Only if his book is not repudiated for the biases he perpetuates!!
Don;t buy it!!
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Agree:
The most damaging effect is perpetuating the ideology. You do not have to ignore it, but perpetuating the mindset is very limiting to self-epression”
And a prime example of perpetuating the Ideaolgy was key to the Republican Party's downfall
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Yes inDEEDY!
That is one of our cultures's greatest strength, it's versatility and the broad spectrum of all that represents.
lol
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Trumystique, you stated:
“Part of the issues is not having POSITIVE popular representation in the social consciousness for these categories.”
Where does one draw the line when it comes to the self limiting role of the SOCIAL CONSIOUSNES?
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Yeah, you right it is a construction. But our job is not to perpetuate that construction and to set a NEW bar for womanhood and it;s beauty by the dignity and pride you bring to what that means for you!
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Sorry I dont understand your question.
rikyrah
December 14th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
How have black people been talking about the Obamas? For many of my friends they fell in love with Michele first ( and Barack benefited from that overflow of love). The love for Michelle among the women I know is huge.
you ain't lying……
I paid three times to see Michelle.
I've never paid to see Barack.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Yeah, I here you about APPEAR, but that was not the essence of her question. Her question was what do they have to DO to make THEIR hair straight. Weaves and extensions don't make THEIR hair straight..that is a fake or a detour, if you prefer.
The reason you said if, I can agree with, but that to me in terms of specifity don't make THEIR hair straight. You FEEL me.
We basically agree, i can understand your posture but it didn't meet for me HOW they make THEIR straight.
You went to appearance vs. texture, I focused on how they CHANGE their natural texture, weaves/wigs and extensions don't change it.
But i HEAR you GF, we on the same road. lol
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Think if I had fair complexion and had locs people still wouldnt look at me in DC or points south?
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
whiterose, I hear you on your critique of this work. I am a chid of jim crow era, segregation, and have experienced first hand the so-called “paperbag test.”
I denounce the premise of some of the content. However, will borrow the book and read it to gain a clearer understanding of this mindset.
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Ohh I gotcha now. I feel you
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Same here!
Never paid to see Barack.
Paid to see Michelle, though, lol
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
OH, I get it. How far do you go to limit your so called blackness vs. social consiousness.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Yes.
undoctored
December 14th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Trumystique, I'm sorry you feel that I “reacted in a completely reactionary manner.” I really beg to disagree. I come to this site because I find it informative with regard to the feelings and concerns of African-Americans just as I go to Redstate to gauge rightwing opinion or to Daily Kos to see what progressives are thinking. I've always appreciated the frank discussion here and the enlightened views expressed. I guess you're right that I could have googled for this information, but since I had noticed a great deal of discussion about hair, I didn't feel that my question would be off-base as you seem to suggest. Excuse me if I unwittingly antagonized you in any way.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
As Green Lady would say:
virtual DAP!!
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Dont you think people would be staring wondering “Why did she have to ruin all that fair skin with such a hairdo?
I would love to hear from someone light skinned with locs and their reception in DC and other places.
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Re read what I said:
“Now you are lucky I am feeling in a teachable moment kind of mood ( because you could have googled for this information) and not reacted in a completely reactionary manner and interpreted your comment as if you are trying to learn about “native” culture.”
I was speaking about how I CHOSE NOT to react in a completely reactionary manner.
I have been in other forums that have frank and sometimes enlightened discussions. That doesnt mean people cant be inquisitive about publicly available information. It is indeed a pet peeve of mine when people ask or keep asking questions on boards that could have been answered by a little work ( googling).
This is a particularly sensitive issue because it represents a larger issue. Because I know about Asian hair, black hair, white hair and what people do to it. But people in the dominant groups rarely if ever have curiosity or interest about what happens to other groups of people– especially to those who often have an experience of being subordinate. A lot of the information is available with internet searching, books etc. But a lot of the reaction of persons from dominant groups is to ask the person from subordinate group “Teach me”.
The reaction when person from dominant group is questioned about this dynamic is to say “I didnt know. Why are you blaming me for something I didnt know? I am here trying to get more information and you are blaming me”.
I did not blame you for not knowing. I gave you the information you requested and suggested a book for you to read. And I also tried to give you some insight into how your question could be PERCEIVED.
If I wasnt in a teachable moment mode then I dont know what appropriate teachable moment mode is.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Trumstique, it's great to have these symbols, but every one of these symbols are going to be surpassed. They'll have ther flaws and yes even fail, as we heap our praise and glory on them.
Who is a popular face upper class black people?
Who is a popular face of middle class black people?
Who is a popular face of a working class black folk?
Who is a popular face of poor black folk?
Example: Jessie Jackson Sr. when he realized Barack
was surpassng him. Jessie, at one time was admired as a role model for Blacks too.
It appeared Jessie wasn't even capable of accepting a new symbol- in Barack; he even stated he wanted to “cut Baracks nuts off.” He took us as far as he could.
Are we going to see our youth of today take these symbols of what Barack has done to transfom the symbol into something uniquely their own?
I agree big symbols are important as a shorthand for values and inspiration, but I believe that it starts with the high school coaches, teachers, parents, and even a fatherless household. Just look at where Barack landed without his father.
These are the folks that our youth have direct interactions with and who carry the most palpable influences.
I agree we need symbols, but they have their limitations and can become a detriment when we put all our eggs in one poverbial basket.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I can't wait to roll up into DC for the inauguration events with my mahogony skin big mofo Afro!!!!!!
Trumystique
December 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I agree with you.
But the key points of my statement:”Part of the issues is not having POSITIVE popular representation in the social consciousness for these categories.”
and this
“where are the popular representations of our values as black people? … Whatever the value- do we have a popular image for this value?
And we may have that picture for this symbol of our values but does anybody in the larger society see it?”
For me this points to the fact that there should be several levels of social consciousness:
1. Positive popular images of black people in the larger society
2. Positive popular images of black people in black society
3.Positive images of black people in a person's social sphere ( home, work, church, school)
I think that teacher, coaches and parents could come in at all 3 levels but obviously have their strongest effect at # 3. Jesse Jackson came in at # 1 and 2 and by definition if these are popular images they are going to change and should change with the times.
I think these symbols only become a detriment if we arent looking at all the symbols and how they interact. If you hold up # 1 symbols you miss the #3 symbols than you have lost the richness of all 3.
Also we need to understand that all these symbols are created and have their own narrative and ways in which we value some symbols and devalue others.
tovangar2
December 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
“So many moments over the next 4, hopefully 8 years. ” I've vowed to be grateful for each day, every day, we have them in the White House.
tovangar2
December 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I fell in love with Barack BECAUSE of Michelle. It's because of her that he makes sense (& I bet he'd agree with that).
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
No, I think they would simply think it was a choice vs. if you had greater melanin production they think you just doin it cause that's all you can…you are being socially defiant moreso than engaging in a discriminating choice.
whiterosebuddy
December 14th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
You gone get MUCH love too!!
chalk it up to the malia/sasha EFFECT!!!
you representin, FIRST Family
Values !!
now…it's a new bar and a new day.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Word! :-))
enviro
December 14th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Having these girls in the White House is such a gift to my (white) kids, especially my daughters. I already went through a slideshow of them with my older (5 y.o.) daughter before the election. Being a girly girl (not that they Obama girls are, but they are always nicely dressed even when casual) and impressed by her elders, she drank it in like a sponge. Barack as usual has it right in terms of their being there changing America's perception of itself — in the case of kids, hopefully getting the perception better from the beginning. It doesn't take us parents off the hook in terms of making a point of exposing them to other cultures, but it really helps.
spirit_55z
December 14th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
enviro, I appreciate your shring and you 're on point with your comment:
“It doesn't take us parents off the hook in terms of making a point of exposing them to other cultures, but it really helps.”
There's a poem tiltled: Children Learn What They Live
Children Learn What They Live
by Dorothy Law Nolte
If a child lives with criticism. He learns to condemn.
If a child lives with hostility. He learns to fight.
If a child lives with ridicule. He learns to be shy.
If a child lives with shame. He learns to feel guilty.
If a child lives with tolerance. He learns to be patient.
If a child lives with encouragement. He learns confidence.
If a child lives with praise. He learns to appreciate.
If a child lives with fairness. He learns justice.
If a child lives with security. He learns to have faith.
If a child lives with approval. He learns to like himself.
If a child lives with acceptance and friendship.
He learns to find love in the world.
Rhondacoca
December 14th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Great post, I agree with everything you said. However, I think that some people missed what I was getting at.
Rhondacoca
December 14th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Yup, you are so right! That is what I did. Its is difficult for a human being from any walk of life not to be socialized into these constructions.
I had to almost insulate myself and create a separate value system and world than the one that was forced upon me.
We will have to ask one to be almost revolutionary in their thinking. To emancipate themselves and unfortunately, most people do not look to do that.
Every aspect of our society perpetuates certain ideologies and value systems. One would have to resist and counteract…most people are simply aiming to be validated…most are not this brave or out of the box. Therefore, they will settle for the same old beliefs, standards and ideologies. Its the unfortunate side of human nature and psychology.
Rhondacoca
December 14th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Oh, okay I get it, thanks for the clarification. I co-sign!
khrish
December 15th, 2008 at 12:30 am
That brief little commentary leaves me with the most pleasant thougts to end my day. How wonderfully said. I guess, because I too, had one of these wonderful dolls that I loved so dearly. Thanks for such a pleasing memory.
spirit_55z
December 15th, 2008 at 9:36 am
WORD!!! :-)))
MsG
December 15th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
It's sooooo exciting to have an African-American family as the first family in the American White House come January 20th 2009. And in terms of Gwen Ifill's comment about black/brown dolls, do check out EthiDolls.com. The company tells the stories of African woman rulers from history via culturally authentic doll representations and illustrated storybooks and audio books. Makeda® The Queen of Sheba, who represents the first female ruler of Ethiopia over 3000 years ago, and Queen Mother Yaa Asantewaa from what is now modern day Ghana are the first two beautiful products in EthiDolls' African Heritage Signature Collection.
MsG
December 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
It's sooooo exciting to have an African-American family as the first family in the American White House come January 20th 2009. And in terms of Gwen Ifill's comment about black/brown dolls, do check out EthiDolls.com. The company tells the stories of African woman rulers from history via culturally authentic doll representations and illustrated storybooks and audio books. Makeda® The Queen of Sheba, who represents the first female ruler of Ethiopia over 3000 years ago, and Queen Mother Yaa Asantewaa from what is now modern day Ghana are the first two beautiful products in EthiDolls' African Heritage Signature Collection.
Kristin7
July 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
If a child has privileges way above all others, then what ?
Kristin7
July 9th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
If a child has privileges way above all others, then what ?