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		<title>By: nickwah22</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-4/#comment-164342</link>
		<dc:creator>nickwah22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, I look at Bush on the tv, and I feel kind of bad for him.  He always seems over his head and i genuinely feel for the man.  Call me crazy, but I don&#039;t think he had any idea of the magnitude of the role.  Maybe Papa Bush made it look easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, I look at Bush on the tv, and I feel kind of bad for him.  He always seems over his head and i genuinely feel for the man.  Call me crazy, but I don&#39;t think he had any idea of the magnitude of the role.  Maybe Papa Bush made it look easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Monie</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-4/#comment-164341</link>
		<dc:creator>Monie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right...you don&#039;t need military experience to understand war, peace, and diplomacy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But an individual  must understand cultures and the way people live, and how they arrive at their beliefs.  To me, Bush never had a grasp of the world, political and cultural implications of how other nations live.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that is why he carried out neo-con principles and agendas...since that is what he surrounded himself with.  He never had a plan B because he didn&#039;t even understand plan A.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is why he prematurely declared &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot;  when in actuality the ramification for invading  Iraq was starting to unfold in a way he did not plan for. And the incompetence showed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right&#8230;you don&#39;t need military experience to understand war, peace, and diplomacy.</p>
<p>But an individual  must understand cultures and the way people live, and how they arrive at their beliefs.  To me, Bush never had a grasp of the world, political and cultural implications of how other nations live.  </p>
<p>And that is why he carried out neo-con principles and agendas&#8230;since that is what he surrounded himself with.  He never had a plan B because he didn&#39;t even understand plan A.</p>
<p>That is why he prematurely declared &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221;  when in actuality the ramification for invading  Iraq was starting to unfold in a way he did not plan for. And the incompetence showed.</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nickwah22, sure you right. I don&#039;t have military experience and am a political novice, butfor me,  it starts with good common sense and knowing what&#039;s right, fair and what morally benefits the good of the whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nickwah22, sure you right. I don&#39;t have military experience and am a political novice, butfor me,  it starts with good common sense and knowing what&#39;s right, fair and what morally benefits the good of the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: nickwah22</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-4/#comment-164340</link>
		<dc:creator>nickwah22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monie, I wouldn&#039;t even just say African nations aren&#039;t valued.  I agree with what you said above, we, the United States, usually intervene when there is an opportunity for us to gain something from the situation.  Not only that, but we also know how to press countries when we aren&#039;t getting what we want.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I may not have military experience BUT you don&#039;t have to serve to have a valid opinion or point about it.  There are enough books and plenty of research that&#039;ll let people know why we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and why we are posted up in other places.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But anyway, I am agreeing with you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monie, I wouldn&#39;t even just say African nations aren&#39;t valued.  I agree with what you said above, we, the United States, usually intervene when there is an opportunity for us to gain something from the situation.  Not only that, but we also know how to press countries when we aren&#39;t getting what we want.  </p>
<p>I may not have military experience BUT you don&#39;t have to serve to have a valid opinion or point about it.  There are enough books and plenty of research that&#39;ll let people know why we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and why we are posted up in other places.</p>
<p>But anyway, I am agreeing with you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice58:   Now I cain&#039;t get that song out of my head!  :&gt;)   :&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice58:   Now I cain&#39;t get that song out of my head!  :&gt;)   :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: 99 Percent Sure</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-4/#comment-164344</link>
		<dc:creator>99 Percent Sure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve given me some encouragement, CPL, and I thank you and everyone else for it.  There is, after all, the confirmation hearings to be had before she actually takes the post.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interestingly, she said &quot;If I&#039;m confirmed.&quot; I&#039;m not reading too much into that statement, but I found it interesting that she said that.  True, he&#039;ll be her boss, but we all know that the Clintons have a mind of their own.  Larry King just asked during his opening &#039;Whose foreign policy will she be promoting? Hers, Obama&#039;s or theirs?&quot;  That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about.  It&#039;s all well and good for her to be under the authority of Obama but . . .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks again all of you, including your post, Micheline. I&#039;m still not sold on the nomination but it ain&#039;t my call obviously.  I just think she would have been much better - and more palatable - as Secretary of Defense. But, as I said, it ain&#039;t my call and I ain&#039;t got no say in who he chooses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ve given me some encouragement, CPL, and I thank you and everyone else for it.  There is, after all, the confirmation hearings to be had before she actually takes the post.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, she said &#8220;If I&#39;m confirmed.&#8221; I&#39;m not reading too much into that statement, but I found it interesting that she said that.  True, he&#39;ll be her boss, but we all know that the Clintons have a mind of their own.  Larry King just asked during his opening &#39;Whose foreign policy will she be promoting? Hers, Obama&#39;s or theirs?&#8221;  That&#39;s what I&#39;m talking about.  It&#39;s all well and good for her to be under the authority of Obama but . . .</p>
<p>Thanks again all of you, including your post, Micheline. I&#39;m still not sold on the nomination but it ain&#39;t my call obviously.  I just think she would have been much better &#8211; and more palatable &#8211; as Secretary of Defense. But, as I said, it ain&#39;t my call and I ain&#39;t got no say in who he chooses.</p>
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		<title>By: nickwah22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickwah22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, I look at Bush on the tv, and I feel kind of bad for him.  He always seems over his head and i genuinely feel for the man.  Call me crazy, but I don&#039;t think he had any idea of the magnitude of the role.  Maybe Papa Bush made it look easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, I look at Bush on the tv, and I feel kind of bad for him.  He always seems over his head and i genuinely feel for the man.  Call me crazy, but I don&#39;t think he had any idea of the magnitude of the role.  Maybe Papa Bush made it look easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Monie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right...you don&#039;t need military experience to understand war, peace, and diplomacy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But an individual  must understand cultures and the way people live, and how they arrive at their beliefs.  To me, Bush never had a grasp of the world, political and cultural implications of how other nations live.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that is why he carried out neo-con principles and agendas...since that is what he surrounded himself with.  He never had a plan B because he didn&#039;t even understand plan A.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is why he prematurely declared &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot;  when in actuality the ramification for invading  Iraq was starting to unfold in a way he did not plan for. And the incompetence showed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right&#8230;you don&#39;t need military experience to understand war, peace, and diplomacy.</p>
<p>But an individual  must understand cultures and the way people live, and how they arrive at their beliefs.  To me, Bush never had a grasp of the world, political and cultural implications of how other nations live.  </p>
<p>And that is why he carried out neo-con principles and agendas&#8230;since that is what he surrounded himself with.  He never had a plan B because he didn&#39;t even understand plan A.</p>
<p>That is why he prematurely declared &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221;  when in actuality the ramification for invading  Iraq was starting to unfold in a way he did not plan for. And the incompetence showed.</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nickwah22, sure you right. I don&#039;t have military experience and am a political novice, butfor me,  it starts with good common sense and knowing what&#039;s right, fair and what morally benefits the good of the whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nickwah22, sure you right. I don&#39;t have military experience and am a political novice, butfor me,  it starts with good common sense and knowing what&#39;s right, fair and what morally benefits the good of the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: nickwah22</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-4/#comment-106868</link>
		<dc:creator>nickwah22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monie, I wouldn&#039;t even just say African nations aren&#039;t valued.  I agree with what you said above, we, the United States, usually intervene when there is an opportunity for us to gain something from the situation.  Not only that, but we also know how to press countries when we aren&#039;t getting what we want.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I may not have military experience BUT you don&#039;t have to serve to have a valid opinion or point about it.  There are enough books and plenty of research that&#039;ll let people know why we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and why we are posted up in other places.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But anyway, I am agreeing with you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monie, I wouldn&#39;t even just say African nations aren&#39;t valued.  I agree with what you said above, we, the United States, usually intervene when there is an opportunity for us to gain something from the situation.  Not only that, but we also know how to press countries when we aren&#39;t getting what we want.  </p>
<p>I may not have military experience BUT you don&#39;t have to serve to have a valid opinion or point about it.  There are enough books and plenty of research that&#39;ll let people know why we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and why we are posted up in other places.</p>
<p>But anyway, I am agreeing with you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-3/#comment-106858</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice58:   Now I cain&#039;t get that song out of my head!  :&gt;)   :&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice58:   Now I cain&#39;t get that song out of my head!  :&gt;)   :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: 99 Percent Sure</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/monday-open-thread-20/comment-page-3/#comment-106857</link>
		<dc:creator>99 Percent Sure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve given me some encouragement, CPL, and I thank you and everyone else for it.  There is, after all, the confirmation hearings to be had before she actually takes the post.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interestingly, she said &quot;If I&#039;m confirmed.&quot; I&#039;m not reading too much into that statement, but I found it interesting that she said that.  True, he&#039;ll be her boss, but we all know that the Clintons have a mind of their own.  Larry King just asked during his opening &#039;Whose foreign policy will she be promoting? Hers, Obama&#039;s or theirs?&quot;  That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about.  It&#039;s all well and good for her to be under the authority of Obama but . . .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks again all of you, including your post, Micheline. I&#039;m still not sold on the nomination but it ain&#039;t my call obviously.  I just think she would have been much better - and more palatable - as Secretary of Defense. But, as I said, it ain&#039;t my call and I ain&#039;t got no say in who he chooses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ve given me some encouragement, CPL, and I thank you and everyone else for it.  There is, after all, the confirmation hearings to be had before she actually takes the post.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, she said &#8220;If I&#39;m confirmed.&#8221; I&#39;m not reading too much into that statement, but I found it interesting that she said that.  True, he&#39;ll be her boss, but we all know that the Clintons have a mind of their own.  Larry King just asked during his opening &#39;Whose foreign policy will she be promoting? Hers, Obama&#39;s or theirs?&#8221;  That&#39;s what I&#39;m talking about.  It&#39;s all well and good for her to be under the authority of Obama but . . .</p>
<p>Thanks again all of you, including your post, Micheline. I&#39;m still not sold on the nomination but it ain&#39;t my call obviously.  I just think she would have been much better &#8211; and more palatable &#8211; as Secretary of Defense. But, as I said, it ain&#39;t my call and I ain&#39;t got no say in who he chooses.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve actually been degrading women for years....if you look at the past calendars, they go back some years with this &quot;foolishness in the name of art&quot;.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#39;ve actually been degrading women for years&#8230;.if you look at the past calendars, they go back some years with this &#8220;foolishness in the name of art&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heeheeheehee</description>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just sickening!  What disgusting mofos!</description>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vogue will have to match Essence w/regards to Michelle.</description>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVENING THREAD IS UP</description>
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		<title>By: lamh31</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamh31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those covers look great.  When will they be on the shelves?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Has anyone seen the Ebony covers yet?  They are the ones who got the 1st print interview post-election by the Obamas.  I wanna know when they will be out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those covers look great.  When will they be on the shelves?</p>
<p>Has anyone seen the Ebony covers yet?  They are the ones who got the 1st print interview post-election by the Obamas.  I wanna know when they will be out.</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral_Komack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admiral_Komack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, as someone wiser than me pointed out on this board (Admiral Komack), Hillary now works for Obama. He&#039;s her BOSS. And if she puts a foot wrong, he has the authority to fire her ass, and maybe that&#039;s more appealing to Obama (having Hillary under his thumb and having to say &quot;Yassir, Boss!&quot;) than allowing her ass in the Senate.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Thank you for the compliment.&lt;br&gt;There are wiser persons on this board than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, as someone wiser than me pointed out on this board (Admiral Komack), Hillary now works for Obama. He&#39;s her BOSS. And if she puts a foot wrong, he has the authority to fire her ass, and maybe that&#39;s more appealing to Obama (having Hillary under his thumb and having to say &#8220;Yassir, Boss!&#8221;) than allowing her ass in the Senate.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Thank you for the compliment.<br />There are wiser persons on this board than I.</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral_Komack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admiral_Komack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I trust Barack Obama.&lt;br&gt;I do not trust Hillary or Bill Clinton.&lt;br&gt;If Hillary does well as SofS, she&#039;ll rehabilitate her image and Obama wins kudos for picking her.&lt;br&gt;But, if Hillary fucks up and tries to use the position of SofS to thwart the Obama Administration, Obama will sadly ask for Hillary&#039;s resignation...and get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust Barack Obama.<br />I do not trust Hillary or Bill Clinton.<br />If Hillary does well as SofS, she&#39;ll rehabilitate her image and Obama wins kudos for picking her.<br />But, if Hillary fucks up and tries to use the position of SofS to thwart the Obama Administration, Obama will sadly ask for Hillary&#39;s resignation&#8230;and get it.</p>
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