Excuse me WhiteRoseBuddy:

Have you bothered to track back into the places that have NO REPUBLICAN INFLUENCE?

Chicago – 50 Aldermen – 49 are Democrats
Milwaukee – 100% Democrat Run
Baltimore – 100% Democrat Run
Philly – 17 city council seats only 3 evil Republicans

The list goes on and on.
You all are good at PURGING YOUR ENEMIES. Just not so good at actually ACHIEVING what you are striving for by MANAGING “the good guys” who now sit in your enemy's place.

Do any of you ever take a step back and consider the after effects of your PURGES?
When are you going to DEMAND that Progressives actually DELIVER for you?

Money could FIX them!
Ideas are abound!
But to implement them you need the green bastard.

It is not evil that screw things, it is dogma blindness.

Why european governments are helping USA car makers (Japanese too) and suppliers that has factories in Europe then?

Economy has its own rules, all of them excludes partisan dogmas.

Excuse me WhiteRoseBuddy:

Have you bothered to track back into the places that have NO REPUBLICAN INFLUENCE?

Chicago – 50 Aldermen – 49 are Democrats
Milwaukee – 100% Democrat Run
Baltimore – 100% Democrat Run
Philly – 17 city council seats only 3 evil Republicans

The list goes on and on.
You all are good at PURGING YOUR ENEMIES. Just not so good at actually ACHIEVING what you are striving for by MANAGING “the good guys” who now sit in your enemy's place.

Do any of you ever take a step back and consider the after effects of your PURGES?
When are you going to DEMAND that Progressives actually DELIVER for you?

Money could FIX them!
Ideas are abound!
But to implement them you need the green bastard.

It is not evil that screw things, it is dogma blindness.

Why european governments are helping USA car makers (Japanese too) and suppliers that has factories in Europe then?

Economy has its own rules, all of them excludes partisan dogmas.

CPL – I am thankful that YOU do not have any power over me where your policies can bear upon me.

If you don't see the RUST BELT and make note of the need for the UAW and other UNIONS to change then you have a big cataract upon your mind's eye.

You seem to be a person who prefers to 'HOLD HIS GROUND”. Even when the fruitful plot of land that you fight for experiences desertification – you pride yourself that you HELD YOUR GROUND with your principles.

The greatest thing about America is that it is a WIDE, EXPANSIVE MARKET PLACE.

What you fail to understand is that various evil corporations that had invested hundreds of millions of dollars in physical plant in the various union strong holds of the North had no choice but to acquiesce to the ORGANIZED LABOR during contract renegotiation. These firms made note of the fact that they had not yet received an ROI on their capital investments in the plants and thus they had to yield.

Fast forward CPL: The plant is End Of Life. The executive management has to make a decision – RETOOL the present plant or BUILD A NEW ONE somewhere else. With the present plant they could introduce automation to the present plant but the UNIONS, seeking job protection would fight it.

WHAT DID MANY OF THEM DO? THEY WENT SOUTH!! (Read the various accounts about how the domestic automakers and steel makers ventured South during the 60's and 70's as a means of diversifying their options).

Some of you are more caught up in the aura of unions than you are in the FUNDAMENTAL FUNCTION of unions. I hope that unions are present to represent the best interests of WORKERS. How do you represent a worker that is now UNEMPLOYED due to the framework of demands that you have crafted which ultimately took down the host company.

You are pro-LIVING WAGES. If you could tell your PROGRESSIVE CAR BUYERS to see out unionized manufacturers and agree to pay extra money – PROBLEM SOLVED.

CPL – this blog is a cornucopia of rhetoric. Do you mind if I refute you?

The goal is NOT TO LIVE OFF OF Welfare and Food Stamps!!! Get it?

Most people receive PAY RAISES not by LEGISLATION but by INCREASING their value so that CONSUMERS OF LABOR will see that it is in their advantage to PAY MORE to retain their services.

If your local Albertson's raised their prices on you – the CONSUMER – do you not weigh the BENEFIT of the good that they are selling to you against your other options? Is there a price at which Albertsons having crossed would cause you to STOP consuming what they are selling to you and thus you go elsewhere?

Keith Olbermann is the most credible source for news there is!!!

WhiteRoseBuddy – so just because Rachel Maddow said it – it must be true about the great depression?

Hoover did not 'create' the Great Depression. The roaring 20's was a time of great financial speculation (just as the late 90's and mid 2000's were). You can find me NO PRESIDENT liberal or conservative who is going to preemptively throw cold water on an overheated economy. Instead he and the congress are going to BRAG about their genius in having ramped up the GDP.

The New Deal did not FIX the Great Depression. The country slipped back into a hard recession a few years after FDR came up with his alphabet soup of fixes for the Depression.

World War II had such a fundamental force of realignment of our entire economy and focus that America grew into an industrial giant, largely because its COMPETITION was a smoldering ash heap. The manufacturing base from the WAR MACHINE which achieved “Full Employment” transitioned into the supplier of manufactured goods for the rest of the world. I just heard today on a financial show that the 1950's was the ONLY decade where there was documented economic growth in America absent any accounting tricks (ie: no trade deficit, no long term debt, no Social Security tidal wave coming our way.

WhiteRoseBuddy – one day I am going to evolve and have a heart grow into my body.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? If the company that PAYS THE PENSION goes out of BUSINESS due to harsh market realities….what about “THEY EARNED IT” is true?

If you say “let's make a GOVERNMENT PENSION FOR EVERYONE, shifting it off of the individual evil corporation – is this not STILL dependent on the solvency of the USA?

Excuse me Nate Wesley – it appears that those people who are actually WORK-KING at the Toyota, Mercedes, Honda and Hyundia plant in his state appear to than Senator Shelby for his stewardship.

You see WORK – IS KING.

Where does the GOP have a hang up on “workers pay”? Or did you read this too from Huffington Post?

The fact is that the UNIONS which attempt to CO-MANAGE these plants prevent these companies from being nimble and responsive to market realities.

What more is necessary to convince you that YOU are seeking to defend a MODEL that is long gone?

Again I beg you – TELL YOUR YOUNG PROGRESSIVES to PURCHASE UNION CARS rather than the cars that have impressed them because they are COOL.

This is a battle between IMAGERY and the SUBSTANCE of WORKERS' WELL BEING.

Slave Revolt – by what rational construct do you make this case?
How can you prove this point any more than someone saying “Black people can't manage a baseball team just like they can't swim”?

Anti-Labor
Anti-Rights?

Slave Revolt – If you consider the employment rates for the past 10 years the “racist South” has been one of the fastest growing regions in the United States. How is your claim anything more than a bigoted, ignorant reference?

Do Black people read books? What framework can you use to bear this claim out? Is it anything more than you having audience with a network of fellow bigots who aren't going to challenge you that you can spew this garbage? I thought that progressives were inclusive and tolerant?

Anti-Rights?
Slave Revolt – based on my research on the community that I am most interested in – the Black Community – there are far more CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS taking place WITHIN THE VARIOUS BLACK COMMUNITIES today than any other area of the nation.

No these Racist White Southern Men are not jumping into their pickups and doing night raids upon us Black folks. The system of “Witness Intimidation”, Low “HOMICIDE CLOSURE RATES” which allow killers to walk free and “Taking the law into your own hands” aggregate to produce an “Anti-Civil Rights Gumbo”.

The problem is that certain bigoted Progressive-Fundamentalists can't accept that unchecked Black on Black crime can be a ANTI-RIGHTS environment. The fact that many loved one's never receive JUSTICE over the murder or assault of their loved one is just TOO BAD…..he got attacked by a person who was the WRONG COLOR for the Civil Rights Actor-vists to come in and exploit for their own greater purposes.

The worst ANTI-UNIONISM in this nation, Slave Revolt is the RUST BELT REGION of the United States. There are so many POTENTIAL union workers but the aggregate policies of the region chased away the “CONSUMERS OF LABOR”. Thus these potential union workers don't have anywhere to actually EXPRESS their union labor rates.

[quote]For those readers who insist on continuing to belong to this party; the party of non-inclusion and big government; the party that always brings a recession on its list of Things To Do While in Washington[/quote]

Christian Progressive-Fundamentalist:

Do facts matter to you?

Can we compare the “Rust Belt” where organized labor dominates to the “Racist Non-Unionized South”? Where as the domestic auto manufacturing is strong (while I acknowledge its recent problems) – the Norther UNIONIZED manufacturing operations are on their death bed. I heard an economic report the other day that while Toyota and GM manufactured roughly the same number of cars globally last year – Toyota made about $25 billion in profits while GM LOST about $30 billion. (These numbers are from memory so don't quote me)

These non-unionized workers at auto plants in the South that you speak of – are they being BEATEN? Are they getting paid $2 per hour and have to work for tips? The truth is that when it comes down to it there are enough LABOR LAWS in place protecting the workers (fought for by the unions) that the UNION has rendered itself obsolete EXCEPT as a loyal vote for your party – and taking membership dues to fill Democratic campaign chests.

It is frustrating to listen to people attempt to make RECESSIONS a function of the party in power. Many of these same people are unable to look at the PERMANENT RECESSION – otherwise known as Camden, Newark, Detroit, Baltimore, SouthWest Philly, Milwaukee that their favored party governs over.

In addition, Christian Progressive-Fundamentalist I have little doubt that you were the biggest cheerleader for the “ECONOMIC GOOD TIMES” that Clinton policies brought forth but you are unable to make note of the CONTINUITY of events between then and now. Let me be clear I AM NOT BLAMING CLINTON….I am saying the FINANCIAL MARKET run up during that time has the same players that are pleading for mercy now. This article should assist you. (How The Internet Bubble Broke Rules, Records, Bank Accounts http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l...)

[quote]SHYT on the Economy, SHYT on the Government, SHYT on the American People, and those of you who voted for this ticket, which I still consider a BIGOTED ticket – explain why the hell do YOU KEEP VOTING AGAINST YOUR OWN BEST INTERESTS?[/quote]

Christian Progressive-Fundamentalist:

Does the King James version say “Shyt” or “Shyt-ith”?

My BEST INTERESTS are Education, Safe Streets, Local Economic Development and Healthy Lifestyles. When I view where Black folks live in our highest concentrations it appears that VOTING AGAINST ONE'S BEST INTERESTS is something that is better demonstrated in the Black voting pattern. In fact people are VOTING rather than MANAGING. (How do you explain this graphic? http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/200...)

[quote]I guess you would rather starve under ReThug rule, but know while you’re starving and losing your home to foreclosure, and losing your job to outsourcing or cutbacks, that you did your part in trying to keep that N—ER out of the White House. Your racism is ingrained TO THAT POINT[/quote]

Christian Progressive-Fundamentalist:

I see more RACISM in the Quasi-Socialist BIGOTS who cast Black people and aggrieved workers on a perpetual OUTWARD fight rather than working to develop ORGANIC infrastructure. If you do a tale of the tape and make note of the fact that despite the growth in the number of districts that YOUR PARTY had dominate control over – the people's PRODUCTIVITY has attenuated. Thus you support policies of REDISTRIBUTION rather than PRODUCTIVITY. I am not sure where you live but for some reason I bet that the poor have been marginalized by the PROGRESSIVE policies that have pushed them out of Oakland, SFO, Chicago, Boston, NYC, Miami and Atlanta.

[quote]will be going to the CEOs who orchestrated this royal Eff-Up, while these banks are consistently cutting back and laying off tens of thousands from their workforce.[/quote]

Christian Progressive Fundamentalist – do you consider yourself a hate filled person? Or is your “hatred” in your pursuit of HELPING people justified?

Where did you get such FLAWED ANALYSIS as above?
Could you PROVE that these CEOs themselves will be getting this money as you CLAIM?

The same FINANCE system that brought us the “Clinton-Democratic boom” that you are so proud of is targeted to receive the largest portion of this $700 billion so that they can start LENDING AGAIN and get the economy out of its doldrums.

The danger of you, Christian Progressive-Fundamentalist is that so much of your analysis is founded on ideologically bigoted and partisan bigoted hatred and anger. Thus in you mission with the CBC Watch you are effectively seeking to have them execute policies that YOU BELIEVE are in the BEST INTERESTS OF BLACK PEOPLE and the working class. In truth they are only in alignment with WHAT YOU THINK.

As people you favor have taken over our urban cores – these same places have been places of INJURY to the people who remain within.

These “Racist Southerners” who are snagging up $1 billion auto manufacturing plants that are owned by foreigners and NON-UNION are not the problem. What you need to do is to ask your snot-nosed young PROGRESSIVES who are driving Honda Civics, Scions and Mazda 626s to 'LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL' and choose to purchase cars from the UNIONIZED CORPORATIONS that you are so desperately seeking to provide government funding to. (How ironic)

For the record I own 2 American owned vehicles. Both of them have “UAW” stickers plastered on the rear driver's side windows.

You'd be far more effective if you turned your anger and hatred into PRAGMATIC action within the ranks of the consumer and the workers.

(Talk to your girl Rikyrah)

Unions are about worker rights.

Anti-unionism and racism go hand in hand in the USA.

Shame on these whores for corproate hegemony.

The key to good teachers is to REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT!!!

We're talking different states of conscious here. We gain awareness at whatever level of consciousness we're ready to receive it. So good information bears repeating.

And yes, the Bush admin. needed to grow some gonads and do the right thing!

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid need a WAKE-UP CALL. More on that later.

To be competitive you Need money to invest (will it work? – It is better to try!). That is what governments in Europe are doing, ligislating so for car makers to breathe, in the end for not cutting in the work force.

It amazes me how an intelligent person cannot distant himself with superfluous beliefs (politics is about working for the people ), when what is in stake is the cogs of the economy itself.
If the USA car makers went down, Asians car makers will fallow, who gonna buy their cars?

The truth is, in the future the Big tree will be owned by whether chinese or Indian manufactories.

You say it has nothing to do with Iraq?
Are you sure?
You want to buy a fictitious victory and you cannot lend money so for a bunch of people not loose their jobs?
You think it will not help, but europeans are doing it, chinese are doing it.

Of course CEOs in japan does not earn the sum their USA conterparts do, and they have their head facing to the future since the last asian crash.
Can you guys learn a thing from this crisis?

I think NOT!

(Sorry about my poor English anyway!)

or worse, those same families that sacrified and agreed to deferred compensations and whose children bore the brunt of those sacrifices will now have to take care of their parents and that will be a great financial cost to them as well?

Such that each generation pays the price? C'mon now. Each generation is to sacrifice so the next one can move ahead, not get boomerranged with the former generations generosity and sacrifice.

You right it is absurd and Ihope that Shelby has a horrible penniless old age having lost everything in the new millineum depression he creates.

Besides, when it comes to regional differences all the midwest and coastal states should simply take back all the federal taxes that places like AL, GA, MS, & TN receive in disproportion to what they pay in. Darn near every one of those states receive far more in federal dollars than they put in. It is time for the country to Squeeze them. When Shelby wants to squeeze the rust belt. He deserves to get it back.

We also have a group of folks mad as hell willing to organize and work to push them out.

.see that is what they call YOU having a 'shytty business model' I say NO way. That is what you call workers getting shafted.