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	<title>Comments on: Would You Continue Going To Your Church If Your Pastor Did This?</title>
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		<title>By: Offshore Disclosure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Offshore Disclosure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tolerate this if this happens to me..Its a bad thing..States are differ from religions..Ond should understand this..&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lynamtax.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;follow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Offshore Disclosure&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t tolerate this if this happens to me..Its a bad thing..States are differ from religions..Ond should understand this..<br /><a href="http://www.lynamtax.co.uk" rel="follow" rel="nofollow">Offshore Disclosure</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reigion and State are to be separate.  But,  State is not o tell Religion what to believe.  Religion can and should be invoved with State.  A private letter is where separation of religion and state comes from.  It simply says that the government will not interer with the Church.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By your stated opinions,  Rev Wright&#039;s church should loose its tax exempt status.  Clearly in his sermons and by his public statements that church is deeply involved with political statements.  In fact, if his statements had been made by a Klan member that person would be in prison for hate crimes.    When he says Black substitute White and when he says White substitute Black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reigion and State are to be separate.  But,  State is not o tell Religion what to believe.  Religion can and should be invoved with State.  A private letter is where separation of religion and state comes from.  It simply says that the government will not interer with the Church.</p>
<p>By your stated opinions,  Rev Wright&#39;s church should loose its tax exempt status.  Clearly in his sermons and by his public statements that church is deeply involved with political statements.  In fact, if his statements had been made by a Klan member that person would be in prison for hate crimes.    When he says Black substitute White and when he says White substitute Black.</p>
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		<title>By: Fre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reigion and State are to be separate.  But,  State is not o tell Religion what to believe.  Religion can and should be invoved with State.  A private letter is where separation of religion and state comes from.  It simply says that the government will not interer with the Church.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By your stated opinions,  Rev Wright&#039;s church should loose its tax exempt status.  Clearly in his sermons and by his public statements that church is deeply involved with political statements.  In fact, if his statements had been made by a Klan member that person would be in prison for hate crimes.    When he says Black substitute White and when he says White substitute Black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reigion and State are to be separate.  But,  State is not o tell Religion what to believe.  Religion can and should be invoved with State.  A private letter is where separation of religion and state comes from.  It simply says that the government will not interer with the Church.</p>
<p>By your stated opinions,  Rev Wright&#39;s church should loose its tax exempt status.  Clearly in his sermons and by his public statements that church is deeply involved with political statements.  In fact, if his statements had been made by a Klan member that person would be in prison for hate crimes.    When he says Black substitute White and when he says White substitute Black.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a white , male, Christian, I really think about conservative blacks who are trying to right the Afro-American family; that it might include a male father and a female mother and an extended family of grandparents rearing their children to take their place as responsible citizens contributing to this great experiment called America.  Such people as Bill Cosby; a stand-up comedian, educated (M.Ed), and speaking out for these foundations to ground black families.  I pray there are countless others - such people as Ward Connerly (in a recent Pat Boone blog (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com&quot;&gt;www.wnd.com&lt;/a&gt;) , raised by his grandparents, working through school to the position of U of C. Regents.  What a model and mentor for young blacks!  These people voted for traditional marriage, pro-life while (IMHO) desperately looking for a pro American, pro-life, pro-marriage Afro-American.  Had one been nominated, I would have voted for him!! (versus the RINO McCain) despite Palin.  It&#039;s a major smoke screen (racism) hiding the real issues enumerated above.  As with Affirmative Action, the candidate is demeaned and devalued leaving his detractors to say &quot;it was given to him&quot; rather than to say &quot; he earned it!!&quot;  I find this appropriate because values/character/ belief system trump deeds (though the latter reveals the former).  Sadly, few checked out the latter of &quot;the One&quot; to ascertain the former!  Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a white , male, Christian, I really think about conservative blacks who are trying to right the Afro-American family; that it might include a male father and a female mother and an extended family of grandparents rearing their children to take their place as responsible citizens contributing to this great experiment called America.  Such people as Bill Cosby; a stand-up comedian, educated (M.Ed), and speaking out for these foundations to ground black families.  I pray there are countless others &#8211; such people as Ward Connerly (in a recent Pat Boone blog (<a href="http://www.wnd.com">http://www.wnd.com</a>) , raised by his grandparents, working through school to the position of U of C. Regents.  What a model and mentor for young blacks!  These people voted for traditional marriage, pro-life while (IMHO) desperately looking for a pro American, pro-life, pro-marriage Afro-American.  Had one been nominated, I would have voted for him!! (versus the RINO McCain) despite Palin.  It&#39;s a major smoke screen (racism) hiding the real issues enumerated above.  As with Affirmative Action, the candidate is demeaned and devalued leaving his detractors to say &#8220;it was given to him&#8221; rather than to say &#8221; he earned it!!&#8221;  I find this appropriate because values/character/ belief system trump deeds (though the latter reveals the former).  Sadly, few checked out the latter of &#8220;the One&#8221; to ascertain the former!  Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re quite right - talking to each person with a car parked where it shouldn&#039;t be would be proper and Christian. Name calling proves only that the caller lacks either the vocabulary or the mental acumen to debate the issue. It behooves us as Christians to think through our response to the issues of the day and to make sure these responses correspond and reflect God&#039;s thinking on the subject.  Often our response might best be one of silence - pray to an Almighty Sovereign God for direction, to respond in love and in truth, and finally to confront realizing that only God can effect change in the other person. Having said this, getting involved is requisite!  We are called to &quot;turn the world right side up&quot; (not upside down).  Once knowing what&#039;s right, we are to persevere in pressing the right (Check out W. Wilberforce and his life-long struggle to outlaw slavery around the globe - and the fact that trafficking in humans continues today not just of the body but of the mind and spirit!!  Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re quite right &#8211; talking to each person with a car parked where it shouldn&#39;t be would be proper and Christian. Name calling proves only that the caller lacks either the vocabulary or the mental acumen to debate the issue. It behooves us as Christians to think through our response to the issues of the day and to make sure these responses correspond and reflect God&#39;s thinking on the subject.  Often our response might best be one of silence &#8211; pray to an Almighty Sovereign God for direction, to respond in love and in truth, and finally to confront realizing that only God can effect change in the other person. Having said this, getting involved is requisite!  We are called to &#8220;turn the world right side up&#8221; (not upside down).  Once knowing what&#39;s right, we are to persevere in pressing the right (Check out W. Wilberforce and his life-long struggle to outlaw slavery around the globe &#8211; and the fact that trafficking in humans continues today not just of the body but of the mind and spirit!!  Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who harp on the love of God, remember if you truly love God, you must recognize that there are things that God hates (horrors!)  He hates PRIDE, arrogance, the self-willed (&quot;the Fool has said in his heart, No God!!).  God also hates those who shed innocent blood (abortion), He died to defeat death, loving life (I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no man comes to the Father but by me).  He died to save us all - those who reject him remain in their sins. (Do you have to teach a child to be selfish, disobedient, foolish?)  Oh yes, that &#039;book&#039; also says, &quot;Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free&quot;.  Ironically, this phrase isn&#039;t in the Constitution, was spoken to the Danbury Baptists by T. Jefferson to &quot;keep the government out of the church&quot; - not to root God out of government, and,. in fact, we find all sorts of religion in our government, the latest - Islam!  Check out the US Treasury inculcating Shariah Financing 101 and 201 into our government.  Want to know our future??  Just check out what&#039;s currently happening in Great Brittan!  Shariah Law now rules in some of the domestic courts in England - people are screaming and crying but to no avail!!  Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who harp on the love of God, remember if you truly love God, you must recognize that there are things that God hates (horrors!)  He hates PRIDE, arrogance, the self-willed (&#8221;the Fool has said in his heart, No God!!).  God also hates those who shed innocent blood (abortion), He died to defeat death, loving life (I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no man comes to the Father but by me).  He died to save us all &#8211; those who reject him remain in their sins. (Do you have to teach a child to be selfish, disobedient, foolish?)  Oh yes, that &#39;book&#39; also says, &#8220;Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free&#8221;.  Ironically, this phrase isn&#39;t in the Constitution, was spoken to the Danbury Baptists by T. Jefferson to &#8220;keep the government out of the church&#8221; &#8211; not to root God out of government, and,. in fact, we find all sorts of religion in our government, the latest &#8211; Islam!  Check out the US Treasury inculcating Shariah Financing 101 and 201 into our government.  Want to know our future??  Just check out what&#39;s currently happening in Great Brittan!  Shariah Law now rules in some of the domestic courts in England &#8211; people are screaming and crying but to no avail!!  Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try reading the Koran!  This 7th Century document governs 21st Century Islam and in multiple places it calls for the faithful to do away with all Jews and infidels (that&#039;s you if you&#039;re not Muslim - and agnostic, atheistic don&#039;t cut it, you&#039;re a member of the Great White Devil).  Want to hear something better?  Try reading from that despised book, the Bible.  It says, &quot;love those who hate you, do good to those who desptflully use you&quot;.  Is this possible?  Not unless you&#039;re indwelt by the Holy Spirit.  Check out Tortured for Christ by Richard Wurmbrand to find hardened Communists converted by suffering, dying Christians, tortured for their belief in the hated Christ.  Those who hailed him the beginning of the week, crucified him at the end of the week!!  He took on him our sin that we might have his righteousness - we stand in him righteous before his father.  For those rejecting this plain word; don&#039;t forget to read the fine print of the system you subscribe to. Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try reading the Koran!  This 7th Century document governs 21st Century Islam and in multiple places it calls for the faithful to do away with all Jews and infidels (that&#39;s you if you&#39;re not Muslim &#8211; and agnostic, atheistic don&#39;t cut it, you&#39;re a member of the Great White Devil).  Want to hear something better?  Try reading from that despised book, the Bible.  It says, &#8220;love those who hate you, do good to those who desptflully use you&#8221;.  Is this possible?  Not unless you&#39;re indwelt by the Holy Spirit.  Check out Tortured for Christ by Richard Wurmbrand to find hardened Communists converted by suffering, dying Christians, tortured for their belief in the hated Christ.  Those who hailed him the beginning of the week, crucified him at the end of the week!!  He took on him our sin that we might have his righteousness &#8211; we stand in him righteous before his father.  For those rejecting this plain word; don&#39;t forget to read the fine print of the system you subscribe to. Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Christian must recognize that his is a matter of relationship. not of religion.  When one is &quot;born again&quot;  they become &quot;in Christ&quot;; born of water and from above.  Positionally, the Christian is in Christ, Christ prays to God the Father in John 17 that he and his father and those related via the Holy Spirit be One!  As I remain a Fouser regardless of my behavior, I remain a Christian through no work of my own!  Salvation is by Christ alone from before the foundation of the world.  What I do as a Christian is OUT OF my salvation; not a means of being saved!!  1 John tells us not to sin; if we do sin we have an advocate with the Father even Jesus Christ the Son who ever makes intercession for us.  The closer we are to Christ, the more we see the natural sinfulness we possess as did Paul (of whom I am chief).  We are called to &quot;love our enemies&quot; , to pray for those  in authority over us including the president elect!!.  Our sovereign God is well able to turn the hearts of the kings/presidents as he turns the courses of rivers.  Why?  That we may live peaceable lives - this written under the Roman government.  He worked than and He hasn&#039;t changed - He&#039;s immutable (despite WJC&#039;s pronouncement that  he and his generation was &quot;changing the immutable&quot;).  Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christian must recognize that his is a matter of relationship. not of religion.  When one is &#8220;born again&#8221;  they become &#8220;in Christ&#8221;; born of water and from above.  Positionally, the Christian is in Christ, Christ prays to God the Father in John 17 that he and his father and those related via the Holy Spirit be One!  As I remain a Fouser regardless of my behavior, I remain a Christian through no work of my own!  Salvation is by Christ alone from before the foundation of the world.  What I do as a Christian is OUT OF my salvation; not a means of being saved!!  1 John tells us not to sin; if we do sin we have an advocate with the Father even Jesus Christ the Son who ever makes intercession for us.  The closer we are to Christ, the more we see the natural sinfulness we possess as did Paul (of whom I am chief).  We are called to &#8220;love our enemies&#8221; , to pray for those  in authority over us including the president elect!!.  Our sovereign God is well able to turn the hearts of the kings/presidents as he turns the courses of rivers.  Why?  That we may live peaceable lives &#8211; this written under the Roman government.  He worked than and He hasn&#39;t changed &#8211; He&#39;s immutable (despite WJC&#39;s pronouncement that  he and his generation was &#8220;changing the immutable&#8221;).  Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dav e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why the Bible tells us to be &quot;Berean believers&quot; checking with our ultimate authority whether these things are true.  The Bible tells us &quot;let everyman be considered a liar but the Bible, God&#039;s Word be true.&quot;  The issue is not separation of church and state - it&#039;s which church will be in the state!  Secular Humanism is a religion as is evolution; both require great amounts of faith, are systematized codes of belief, and parading under &quot;Science&quot;, drive much or our thinking.  We will be followers of some &quot;religion&quot; worshiping either ourselves or some god. These days will shake out professors from possessors - only the one True God can give a joy that passes all understanding.  Check out the Chinese Christians; those underground and not &quot;the registered churches masquerading as the Chinese Church&quot;!  It behooves all American Christians to &quot;get their house in order&quot; according to the Word of God.  Purchase a Bible, read,repent, order your life as dictated by this Word and not as some &quot;Preacher&quot; dictates!  You shall find him when you search for him with all your heart; his yoke is easy and his burden is light and you shall find rest for your souls!  Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why the Bible tells us to be &#8220;Berean believers&#8221; checking with our ultimate authority whether these things are true.  The Bible tells us &#8220;let everyman be considered a liar but the Bible, God&#39;s Word be true.&#8221;  The issue is not separation of church and state &#8211; it&#39;s which church will be in the state!  Secular Humanism is a religion as is evolution; both require great amounts of faith, are systematized codes of belief, and parading under &#8220;Science&#8221;, drive much or our thinking.  We will be followers of some &#8220;religion&#8221; worshiping either ourselves or some god. These days will shake out professors from possessors &#8211; only the one True God can give a joy that passes all understanding.  Check out the Chinese Christians; those underground and not &#8220;the registered churches masquerading as the Chinese Church&#8221;!  It behooves all American Christians to &#8220;get their house in order&#8221; according to the Word of God.  Purchase a Bible, read,repent, order your life as dictated by this Word and not as some &#8220;Preacher&#8221; dictates!  You shall find him when you search for him with all your heart; his yoke is easy and his burden is light and you shall find rest for your souls!  Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: MsKitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?!?  Coherent thoughts please.</description>
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		<title>By: kepop</title>
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		<dc:creator>kepop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found during the election that I was turning my back on my faith and not doing what Jesus wanted  me to do....WORDS FROM MY MOTHER. I wouldn&#039;t stand on the corner with YES ON SIGNS with church members and I voted for OBAMA. Of course my mother and I had a heated debate and  we haven&#039;t spoke about it since. Yes she voted for McCain. Church and State should be seperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found during the election that I was turning my back on my faith and not doing what Jesus wanted  me to do&#8230;.WORDS FROM MY MOTHER. I wouldn&#39;t stand on the corner with YES ON SIGNS with church members and I voted for OBAMA. Of course my mother and I had a heated debate and  we haven&#39;t spoke about it since. Yes she voted for McCain. Church and State should be seperate.</p>
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		<title>By: tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my humble opinion, folks black folks weren&#039;t expressing &quot;republican talking points&quot;, but sharing tenants of their faith from the bible that they study for themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know why people &quot;expected&quot; blacks and latinos (who attend church on a regular basis) to vote for a proposition that is doctrinally against their faith.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A friend told me that Madonna allegedly said at a recent concert that she couldn&#039;t believe that America would elect it&#039;s first African-American president, but not vote for gay marriage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I am extremely bothered when people try to equate being gay with being black.  The two are different in my opinion and based upon the bible that I believe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far at the office of Church initiatives, some good things have come from it; locally the office assists with drug treatment programs especially in my area, where many of these program service members of our community.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the Priest that called out the woman; that was beyond wrong.  I have found myself being very angry with some of the Pastors and Teachers in the Christian community for their comments in regards to our president; hopefully, prayerfully these people will repent for their comments, ask forgiveness, and go back to their mission which is to teach and preach the word of God.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think this is a reason to leave organized religion, but remember that we believers are human, prone to failure and their is only one that is perfect Jesus Christ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my humble opinion, folks black folks weren&#39;t expressing &#8220;republican talking points&#8221;, but sharing tenants of their faith from the bible that they study for themselves.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know why people &#8220;expected&#8221; blacks and latinos (who attend church on a regular basis) to vote for a proposition that is doctrinally against their faith.</p>
<p>A friend told me that Madonna allegedly said at a recent concert that she couldn&#39;t believe that America would elect it&#39;s first African-American president, but not vote for gay marriage.</p>
<p>Personally I am extremely bothered when people try to equate being gay with being black.  The two are different in my opinion and based upon the bible that I believe.</p>
<p>As far at the office of Church initiatives, some good things have come from it; locally the office assists with drug treatment programs especially in my area, where many of these program service members of our community.</p>
<p>As far as the Priest that called out the woman; that was beyond wrong.  I have found myself being very angry with some of the Pastors and Teachers in the Christian community for their comments in regards to our president; hopefully, prayerfully these people will repent for their comments, ask forgiveness, and go back to their mission which is to teach and preach the word of God.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think this is a reason to leave organized religion, but remember that we believers are human, prone to failure and their is only one that is perfect Jesus Christ&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attend a church where the election was not even mentioned. Why? Because as citizens not  of this world, we do not allowed our opinions rather they are in agreement with who is elected or not to get involved with kingdom work, the election was just a part of everyday life. We are commanded through the word of God to pray for  all leaders and submit to government when it is right to do so. That person should  speak with her pastor privately  about what what said publically, and if he does not publically apologize to her and the congregation, she should leave the church.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think pastors (those who are really called by God) Should not used the church to express their views on political issues nor endorse any candidate. Political candidates should not be allowed to speak from the pulpit either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attend a church where the election was not even mentioned. Why? Because as citizens not  of this world, we do not allowed our opinions rather they are in agreement with who is elected or not to get involved with kingdom work, the election was just a part of everyday life. We are commanded through the word of God to pray for  all leaders and submit to government when it is right to do so. That person should  speak with her pastor privately  about what what said publically, and if he does not publically apologize to her and the congregation, she should leave the church.</p>
<p>I think pastors (those who are really called by God) Should not used the church to express their views on political issues nor endorse any candidate. Political candidates should not be allowed to speak from the pulpit either.</p>
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		<title>By: Bendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another reason to avoid organized religion.</description>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For low information, ljf, your comments hit the nail on the head.  I hollered the loudest when that Office of Faith-Based Initiatives was formed by Bush, because it was pissing on the Constitutional tenet separating Church and State the most.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even the guy Bush picked to run the organization wound up quitting because he wasn&#039;t being allowed to run the office in a way that reflected spiritual values, because he was being directed by Bush to give money to churches that fully supported Bush - Eddie Long and TD Jakes were the first in line to get some of that Faith-Based Money Pie.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And there are double standards - this government impeached Bill Clinton because he got a blow-job in the Oval Office, while Bush has been allowed to rape and pillage the Federal Government for personal gain - and we can&#039;t get Congress to impeach his ass for violating the Constitution he swore to uphold and protect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For low information, ljf, your comments hit the nail on the head.  I hollered the loudest when that Office of Faith-Based Initiatives was formed by Bush, because it was pissing on the Constitutional tenet separating Church and State the most.</p>
<p>Even the guy Bush picked to run the organization wound up quitting because he wasn&#39;t being allowed to run the office in a way that reflected spiritual values, because he was being directed by Bush to give money to churches that fully supported Bush &#8211; Eddie Long and TD Jakes were the first in line to get some of that Faith-Based Money Pie.</p>
<p>And there are double standards &#8211; this government impeached Bill Clinton because he got a blow-job in the Oval Office, while Bush has been allowed to rape and pillage the Federal Government for personal gain &#8211; and we can&#39;t get Congress to impeach his ass for violating the Constitution he swore to uphold and protect.</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, it  was still wrong for the Pastor to single her out like he did and for the reason he singled her out.  Second, there were two other cars parked the same way as hers, but the Pastor singled out the parishioner with an Obama sticker on her car.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Third, you sound like a troll and while open discussion is welcomed, trolls calling new members of the POTUS administration &quot;open whore policies&quot; are not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Get in where you fit in....TROLL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, it  was still wrong for the Pastor to single her out like he did and for the reason he singled her out.  Second, there were two other cars parked the same way as hers, but the Pastor singled out the parishioner with an Obama sticker on her car.</p>
<p>Third, you sound like a troll and while open discussion is welcomed, trolls calling new members of the POTUS administration &#8220;open whore policies&#8221; are not.</p>
<p>Get in where you fit in&#8230;.TROLL</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True that, eclecticbrotha, but there are many pastors receiving some high end &quot;gifts&quot; that they argue should be exempted from taxes in addition to the operations of the church itself, and in some instances, the salaries of the pastor, housing allowances, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bishop Eddie Long is a good example.  He pulls in over seven figures annually as Pastor of his church, but he also has it under different tax loopholes where he&#039;s not paying a lot of taxes, and insists that his salary is a &quot;stipend&quot;. However, he and Creflo Dollar were named with Joyce Meyer, the Copelands, Benny Hinn and a few others in a subpeona by a Republican Senator asking them to justify the incomes of their churches and turn over records - not to mention explaining why they shouldn&#039;t lose their tax-exempt status: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/grassleyinvestigation.html&quot;&gt;http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/gra...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think some of us remember Eddie Long trying to hide that Mercedes-Benz Maybach his parishioners gave him as a gift, and the IRS came calling to tell him if he planned on keeping it, even as a &quot;gift&quot;, it exceeded the amount you could receive in &quot;gifts&quot; before having to declare it as income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True that, eclecticbrotha, but there are many pastors receiving some high end &#8220;gifts&#8221; that they argue should be exempted from taxes in addition to the operations of the church itself, and in some instances, the salaries of the pastor, housing allowances, etc.</p>
<p>Bishop Eddie Long is a good example.  He pulls in over seven figures annually as Pastor of his church, but he also has it under different tax loopholes where he&#39;s not paying a lot of taxes, and insists that his salary is a &#8220;stipend&#8221;. However, he and Creflo Dollar were named with Joyce Meyer, the Copelands, Benny Hinn and a few others in a subpeona by a Republican Senator asking them to justify the incomes of their churches and turn over records &#8211; not to mention explaining why they shouldn&#39;t lose their tax-exempt status: <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/grassleyinvestigation.html"></a><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/gra.." rel="nofollow">http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/gra..</a>.</p>
<p>I think some of us remember Eddie Long trying to hide that Mercedes-Benz Maybach his parishioners gave him as a gift, and the IRS came calling to tell him if he planned on keeping it, even as a &#8220;gift&#8221;, it exceeded the amount you could receive in &#8220;gifts&#8221; before having to declare it as income.</p>
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		<title>By: bigassbelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigassbelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no joke. and the thing that just infuriates me is that along with this surrender to religious zealotry, we&#039;ve surrendered to stupidity. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dinosaurs listening to Christ address the masses? absolutely.&lt;br&gt;solution to unwanted pregnancy, STDs and AIDS? abstinence.&lt;br&gt;social problems? the fault of uppity women leaving the kitchen.&lt;br&gt;kids in trouble? schools need to institute christian prayers.&lt;br&gt;scientific research needed to find solutions to disease? okay, but save the stem cells!&lt;br&gt;global warming? bring on the end of days!&lt;br&gt;diversity of life on the planet under assault? but we have dominion over all things!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;really, it&#039;s just madness. and i am so, so sick of them driving our public policy. i have no problem with religion. none. but i have a problem with religion-based government. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;this priest / pastor / whatever was totally out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no joke. and the thing that just infuriates me is that along with this surrender to religious zealotry, we&#39;ve surrendered to stupidity. </p>
<p>dinosaurs listening to Christ address the masses? absolutely.<br />solution to unwanted pregnancy, STDs and AIDS? abstinence.<br />social problems? the fault of uppity women leaving the kitchen.<br />kids in trouble? schools need to institute christian prayers.<br />scientific research needed to find solutions to disease? okay, but save the stem cells!<br />global warming? bring on the end of days!<br />diversity of life on the planet under assault? but we have dominion over all things!</p>
<p>really, it&#39;s just madness. and i am so, so sick of them driving our public policy. i have no problem with religion. none. but i have a problem with religion-based government. </p>
<p>this priest / pastor / whatever was totally out of line.</p>
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		<title>By: AZ MOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZ MOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the mistake many people who believe that church and state are one in the same. Any priest, pastor, minister, rabi who expells parishiners because of his/her political views is acting in defiance of God and as an activist of ideology much like Islamic extremists. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My favorite line from a West Wing episode: Islamic extremists is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And as an asside to the numbskull who brought up Rev. Wright, I say this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am a white Christian AMERICAN, who listened to the ENTIRE sermon (not just those few seconds relooped on Fox Noise), and I was not offended in the slightest, and I agreed with his points resoundingly. Not because I&#039;m ultra liberal. Not because I&#039;m some sort of Marxist or communist militant. But BECAUSE I&#039;m a CHRISTIAN! And a number of things/beliefs our leaders shake in front of us, a number of actions they claim to do for all who live under the American flag, in the name of GOD, are absolutely an abomination and a flagerant middle finger to God.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And now that my husband&#039;s company has been purchased by a Canadian firm, now that that company has since laid him off, I am a bitter American CLINGING to a faith that is tattered by the likes of priests muddling faith with political ideology. But don&#039;t worry. We&#039;re too broke to buy a gun any time soon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For as many Christians who are all worried about our country becoming more and more secular, stories like this do nothing to help those who are genuinely trying to minister to the tired, the weak, the poor and disenfranchised. THAT&#039;S not God&#039;s work at all. It sounds more like the work of &quot;Oh who...ummmm, SATAN!&quot; Imagine SNL&#039;s Church Lady sayin&#039; that last line, if you will. ;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Peace and love!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the mistake many people who believe that church and state are one in the same. Any priest, pastor, minister, rabi who expells parishiners because of his/her political views is acting in defiance of God and as an activist of ideology much like Islamic extremists. </p>
<p>My favorite line from a West Wing episode: Islamic extremists is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity.</p>
<p>And as an asside to the numbskull who brought up Rev. Wright, I say this:</p>
<p>I am a white Christian AMERICAN, who listened to the ENTIRE sermon (not just those few seconds relooped on Fox Noise), and I was not offended in the slightest, and I agreed with his points resoundingly. Not because I&#39;m ultra liberal. Not because I&#39;m some sort of Marxist or communist militant. But BECAUSE I&#39;m a CHRISTIAN! And a number of things/beliefs our leaders shake in front of us, a number of actions they claim to do for all who live under the American flag, in the name of GOD, are absolutely an abomination and a flagerant middle finger to God.</p>
<p>And now that my husband&#39;s company has been purchased by a Canadian firm, now that that company has since laid him off, I am a bitter American CLINGING to a faith that is tattered by the likes of priests muddling faith with political ideology. But don&#39;t worry. We&#39;re too broke to buy a gun any time soon.</p>
<p>For as many Christians who are all worried about our country becoming more and more secular, stories like this do nothing to help those who are genuinely trying to minister to the tired, the weak, the poor and disenfranchised. THAT&#39;S not God&#39;s work at all. It sounds more like the work of &#8220;Oh who&#8230;ummmm, SATAN!&#8221; Imagine SNL&#39;s Church Lady sayin&#39; that last line, if you will. ;)</p>
<p>Peace and love!</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Taliban is alive and well in the USA.</description>
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