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	<title>Comments on: Wednesday Open Thread #2</title>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/comment-page-3/#comment-164036</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I shouldn&#039;t be speculating on folks sexuality, but I&#039;ve long suspected Eddie Long and wouldn&#039;t at all be surprised by TD Jakes.  I suspect anyone that obsessed about other peoples&#039; sex lives.  I just couldn&#039;t imagine being called upon by God, with so many problems in the world, and focus my efforts on gays and lesbians unless I was fighting something internally.e a lot os &gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dtdeskins@msn.com&lt;/a&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:45:25 +0000&gt; &gt; CPL wrote:&gt; &gt; I heard TD&#039;s in the closet himself, cause Keith Boykin and Jasmyne Connick were sure speculating about why he and Eddie Long lead the charge against the LGBT community.&gt; &gt; Methinks TD and company protesteth much....?&gt; &gt; Link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557595&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn...&lt;/a&gt;&gt; &gt; --&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;_________________________________________________________________&lt;br&gt;Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I shouldn&#39;t be speculating on folks sexuality, but I&#39;ve long suspected Eddie Long and wouldn&#39;t at all be surprised by TD Jakes.  I suspect anyone that obsessed about other peoples&#39; sex lives.  I just couldn&#39;t imagine being called upon by God, with so many problems in the world, and focus my efforts on gays and lesbians unless I was fighting something internally.e a lot os &gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: <a href="mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com" rel="nofollow">dtdeskins@msn.com</a>&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:45:25 +0000&gt; &gt; CPL wrote:&gt; &gt; I heard TD&#39;s in the closet himself, cause Keith Boykin and Jasmyne Connick were sure speculating about why he and Eddie Long lead the charge against the LGBT community.&gt; &gt; Methinks TD and company protesteth much&#8230;.?&gt; &gt; Link: <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557595" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn.." rel="nofollow">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn..</a>.&gt; &gt; &#8211;&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: <a href="http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/" rel="nofollow">http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/</a><br />_________________________________________________________________<br />Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.<br /><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT.." rel="nofollow">http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/comment-page-3/#comment-164038</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel Maddow there it out there tonight that she could conceivably resign and get the Lt. Governor to appoint her the Senate should they oust Stevens.  Good Lord!&gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dtdeskins@msn.com&lt;/a&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:00:20 +0000&gt; &gt; Town (unregistered) wrote:&gt; &gt; Palin decided it was the Palin show and it sounds like she was nasty to the aides provided to her.&gt; &gt; She shouldn&#039;t be surprised when they back the bus up on her.&gt; &gt; Link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557374&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn...&lt;/a&gt;&gt; &gt; --&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;_________________________________________________________________&lt;br&gt;Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Maddow there it out there tonight that she could conceivably resign and get the Lt. Governor to appoint her the Senate should they oust Stevens.  Good Lord!&gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: <a href="mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com" rel="nofollow">dtdeskins@msn.com</a>&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:00:20 +0000&gt; &gt; Town (unregistered) wrote:&gt; &gt; Palin decided it was the Palin show and it sounds like she was nasty to the aides provided to her.&gt; &gt; She shouldn&#39;t be surprised when they back the bus up on her.&gt; &gt; Link: <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557374" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn.." rel="nofollow">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn..</a>.&gt; &gt; &#8211;&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: <a href="http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/" rel="nofollow">http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/</a><br />_________________________________________________________________<br />Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.<br /><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT.." rel="nofollow">http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a slideshow linkSlideshow&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas-victory-on-newspap_n_141311.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a slideshow linkSlideshow<br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas-victory-on-newspap_n_141311.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas.." rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!  Thanks...:-)</description>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/comment-page-3/#comment-164039</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherri talks far too freely about past abortions and waking up beside various men - she violates her personal boundaries.   She used to talk guiltily about her son coming to visit her in New York.   Then recently she said that he was living with her now, and it was challenging.   I think as a single mother of a special needs child, who works in New York, Sherri is having to make some tough choices that might leave her feeling guilty from a religious standpoint.   That religious standpoint says you should be married and be a &quot;good&quot; mother(which usually means you stay home).  I think she struggles between her human needs, and religious ideals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as being a &quot;slave-catcher&quot; ....yeah, in a sense she is....as a woman, she is bound by religion, and not &quot;free&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherri talks far too freely about past abortions and waking up beside various men &#8211; she violates her personal boundaries.   She used to talk guiltily about her son coming to visit her in New York.   Then recently she said that he was living with her now, and it was challenging.   I think as a single mother of a special needs child, who works in New York, Sherri is having to make some tough choices that might leave her feeling guilty from a religious standpoint.   That religious standpoint says you should be married and be a &#8220;good&#8221; mother(which usually means you stay home).  I think she struggles between her human needs, and religious ideals.</p>
<p>As far as being a &#8220;slave-catcher&#8221; &#8230;.yeah, in a sense she is&#8230;.as a woman, she is bound by religion, and not &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ER was good the first few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ER was good the first few years.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/comment-page-3/#comment-95956</link>
		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I shouldn&#039;t be speculating on folks sexuality, but I&#039;ve long suspected Eddie Long and wouldn&#039;t at all be surprised by TD Jakes.  I suspect anyone that obsessed about other peoples&#039; sex lives.  I just couldn&#039;t imagine being called upon by God, with so many problems in the world, and focus my efforts on gays and lesbians unless I was fighting something internally.e a lot os &gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com&quot;&gt;dtdeskins@msn.com&lt;/a&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:45:25 +0000&gt; &gt; CPL wrote:&gt; &gt; I heard TD&#039;s in the closet himself, cause Keith Boykin and Jasmyne Connick were sure speculating about why he and Eddie Long lead the charge against the LGBT community.&gt; &gt; Methinks TD and company protesteth much....?&gt; &gt; Link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557595&quot;&gt;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn...&lt;/a&gt;&gt; &gt; --&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&quot;&gt;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;_________________________________________________________________&lt;br&gt;Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008&quot;&gt;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I shouldn&#39;t be speculating on folks sexuality, but I&#39;ve long suspected Eddie Long and wouldn&#39;t at all be surprised by TD Jakes.  I suspect anyone that obsessed about other peoples&#39; sex lives.  I just couldn&#39;t imagine being called upon by God, with so many problems in the world, and focus my efforts on gays and lesbians unless I was fighting something internally.e a lot os &gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: <a href="mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com">dtdeskins@msn.com</a>&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:45:25 +0000&gt; &gt; CPL wrote:&gt; &gt; I heard TD&#39;s in the closet himself, cause Keith Boykin and Jasmyne Connick were sure speculating about why he and Eddie Long lead the charge against the LGBT community.&gt; &gt; Methinks TD and company protesteth much&#8230;.?&gt; &gt; Link: <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557595"></a><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn.." rel="nofollow">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn..</a>.&gt; &gt; &#8211;&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: <a href="http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/">http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/</a><br />_________________________________________________________________<br />Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.<br /><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008"></a><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT.." rel="nofollow">http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: NMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel Maddow there it out there tonight that she could conceivably resign and get the Lt. Governor to appoint her the Senate should they oust Stevens.  Good Lord!&gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com&quot;&gt;dtdeskins@msn.com&lt;/a&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:00:20 +0000&gt; &gt; Town (unregistered) wrote:&gt; &gt; Palin decided it was the Palin show and it sounds like she was nasty to the aides provided to her.&gt; &gt; She shouldn&#039;t be surprised when they back the bus up on her.&gt; &gt; Link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557374&quot;&gt;http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn...&lt;/a&gt;&gt; &gt; --&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: &lt;a href=&quot;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&quot;&gt;http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;_________________________________________________________________&lt;br&gt;Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008&quot;&gt;http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Maddow there it out there tonight that she could conceivably resign and get the Lt. Governor to appoint her the Senate should they oust Stevens.  Good Lord!&gt; Subject: [jackandjillpolitics] Re: Wednesday Open Thread #2&gt; From: &gt; To: <a href="mailto:dtdeskins@msn.com">dtdeskins@msn.com</a>&gt; Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:00:20 +0000&gt; &gt; Town (unregistered) wrote:&gt; &gt; Palin decided it was the Palin show and it sounds like she was nasty to the aides provided to her.&gt; &gt; She shouldn&#39;t be surprised when they back the bus up on her.&gt; &gt; Link: <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/#comment-3557374"></a><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn.." rel="nofollow">http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wedn..</a>.&gt; &gt; &#8211;&gt; You may reply to this email to post your response. To turn off notifications, go to your Disqus settings at: <a href="http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/">http://disqus.com/settings/notifications/</a><br />_________________________________________________________________<br />Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.<br /><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008"></a><a href="http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT.." rel="nofollow">http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a slideshow linkSlideshow&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas-victory-on-newspap_n_141311.html&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a slideshow linkSlideshow<br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas-victory-on-newspap_n_141311.html"></a><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas.." rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obamas..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool!  Thanks...:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!  Thanks&#8230;:-)</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/wednesday-open-thread-2-2/comment-page-3/#comment-95959</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherri talks far too freely about past abortions and waking up beside various men - she violates her personal boundaries.   She used to talk guiltily about her son coming to visit her in New York.   Then recently she said that he was living with her now, and it was challenging.   I think as a single mother of a special needs child, who works in New York, Sherri is having to make some tough choices that might leave her feeling guilty from a religious standpoint.   That religious standpoint says you should be married and be a &quot;good&quot; mother(which usually means you stay home).  I think she struggles between her human needs, and religious ideals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as being a &quot;slave-catcher&quot; ....yeah, in a sense she is....as a woman, she is bound by religion, and not &quot;free&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherri talks far too freely about past abortions and waking up beside various men &#8211; she violates her personal boundaries.   She used to talk guiltily about her son coming to visit her in New York.   Then recently she said that he was living with her now, and it was challenging.   I think as a single mother of a special needs child, who works in New York, Sherri is having to make some tough choices that might leave her feeling guilty from a religious standpoint.   That religious standpoint says you should be married and be a &#8220;good&#8221; mother(which usually means you stay home).  I think she struggles between her human needs, and religious ideals.</p>
<p>As far as being a &#8220;slave-catcher&#8221; &#8230;.yeah, in a sense she is&#8230;.as a woman, she is bound by religion, and not &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ER was good the first few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ER was good the first few years.</p>
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		<title>By: B-Serious</title>
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		<dc:creator>B-Serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw Ralph Nader.  He does NOT get a pass just because some see him as a liberal icon.  This is about the third time he&#039;s pulled this type of stunt in the past year.  He knows exactly what he&#039;s doing.  He just thinks he&#039;ll get a pass on some fake a*s &lt;i&gt;&quot;I&#039;m a revolutionary speaking truth to power&quot; bs.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess he thinks:  &lt;i&gt;Gee, if I talk about poor people, I can say whatever the hell I want.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  WRONG!  I don&#039;t care how much you talk about big business and the poor . . . you don&#039;t get a pass!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hell no he doesn&#039;t get a pass.  He thinks Obama acts/talks white, calls him an Uncle Tom, makes castrating/emasculating taunts against Obama.  What??? It&#039;s supposed to be cute because he&#039;s a liberal saying it?  Sorry, but I&#039;ve known my fair share of race-baiting liberals.  And giving Nader a pass makes just about as much sense as giving Eminem a pass to say &quot;nigga&quot; just because he &lt;i&gt;&quot;keeps it real.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Give me a break.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Nader took his campaign half as seriously as he takes his rhetoric he might have had an impact as a political leader.  But he&#039;s not a serious leader as far as I&#039;m concerned.  If he were serious, he would have had a plan B after the 2000 election.  But he didn&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You tellin&#039; me he wasn&#039;t popular enough to run for governor in his home state, CT???  How about the House . . . Senate???  Hell, what about frickin&#039; mayor???  No, in truth he&#039;s got an ego as big as any of the &quot;corporate&quot; politicians he likes to criticize whenever he gets the chance.  A guy with good ideas, but absolutely ZERO leadership to get things done (a problem often seen with third party candidates).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Obama . . .I&#039;ll surely hold him accountable.  But I&#039;m gonna hold him to the same standard we&#039;ve held all our other presidents.  I&#039;m gonna sit down:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  look at his numbers in the house and senate&lt;br&gt;2.  figure in the financial crisis&lt;br&gt;3.  and not hamstring my thinking with some bs ideological purity that sounds good in theory, but has little practical application&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I backed Obama because I want to get things done.  I don&#039;t need the ideological wars.  I want to get things done.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m a liberal and proud of it.  But I&#039;m smart enough to know that we don&#039;t always have the answers.  So while Nader&#039;s busy talking to the birds (literally, if you saw his campaign ad), I and millions of others will be doing my best to move the country forward under an Obama administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw Ralph Nader.  He does NOT get a pass just because some see him as a liberal icon.  This is about the third time he&#39;s pulled this type of stunt in the past year.  He knows exactly what he&#39;s doing.  He just thinks he&#39;ll get a pass on some fake a*s <i>&#8220;I&#39;m a revolutionary speaking truth to power&#8221; bs.</i> </p>
<p>I guess he thinks:  <i>Gee, if I talk about poor people, I can say whatever the hell I want.&#8221;</i>  WRONG!  I don&#39;t care how much you talk about big business and the poor . . . you don&#39;t get a pass!</p>
<p>Hell no he doesn&#39;t get a pass.  He thinks Obama acts/talks white, calls him an Uncle Tom, makes castrating/emasculating taunts against Obama.  What??? It&#39;s supposed to be cute because he&#39;s a liberal saying it?  Sorry, but I&#39;ve known my fair share of race-baiting liberals.  And giving Nader a pass makes just about as much sense as giving Eminem a pass to say &#8220;nigga&#8221; just because he <i>&#8220;keeps it real.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>
<p>If Nader took his campaign half as seriously as he takes his rhetoric he might have had an impact as a political leader.  But he&#39;s not a serious leader as far as I&#39;m concerned.  If he were serious, he would have had a plan B after the 2000 election.  But he didn&#39;t.</p>
<p>You tellin&#39; me he wasn&#39;t popular enough to run for governor in his home state, CT???  How about the House . . . Senate???  Hell, what about frickin&#39; mayor???  No, in truth he&#39;s got an ego as big as any of the &#8220;corporate&#8221; politicians he likes to criticize whenever he gets the chance.  A guy with good ideas, but absolutely ZERO leadership to get things done (a problem often seen with third party candidates).</p>
<p>As for Obama . . .I&#39;ll surely hold him accountable.  But I&#39;m gonna hold him to the same standard we&#39;ve held all our other presidents.  I&#39;m gonna sit down:</p>
<p>1.  look at his numbers in the house and senate<br />2.  figure in the financial crisis<br />3.  and not hamstring my thinking with some bs ideological purity that sounds good in theory, but has little practical application</p>
<p>I backed Obama because I want to get things done.  I don&#39;t need the ideological wars.  I want to get things done.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m a liberal and proud of it.  But I&#39;m smart enough to know that we don&#39;t always have the answers.  So while Nader&#39;s busy talking to the birds (literally, if you saw his campaign ad), I and millions of others will be doing my best to move the country forward under an Obama administration.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to tamp Andrew Sullivan down when he suggested the same thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He heard me. Because his posts on the matter afterwards have been much more reasonable.</description>
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<p>He heard me. Because his posts on the matter afterwards have been much more reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhondacoca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhondacoca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with. I couldn&#039;t bare listening to him.</description>
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		<title>By: Rhondacoca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhondacoca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You, T. I agree wth you completely. There has to a movement that counteracts what one is taught, for example in church where thye are told&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My issue is that blacks are so complacent in what you said correctly scapegoating. The LGBT community is looking to us now because they believe that we have won some sort of rights. Have they stretched their hands out to the black community (a socially conservative community) and did what I have been telling them to do for the past 4 YEARS? You outtlined what I have been telling to do on a large scale. Black people are told that homosexuality is a sin in their churches and community. I would have voted down the Proposition but some other still have those beliefs that are based in their religious belief. Do some peopl not understand that. I have had my struggles with trying to bridge this and I was also upset about some LGBT organizations being apathetic about the crimes that effect black gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transsexuals &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They get a kick out of it because it similar to the whole &quot;reverse racism&quot; thing. I am not apart of it because it was voted down in other states. The people who really brought it down at the end of the day were whites because blacks probably could not have shifted it that much. Everyone should get the blame not just blacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You, T. I agree wth you completely. There has to a movement that counteracts what one is taught, for example in church where thye are told</p>
<p>My issue is that blacks are so complacent in what you said correctly scapegoating. The LGBT community is looking to us now because they believe that we have won some sort of rights. Have they stretched their hands out to the black community (a socially conservative community) and did what I have been telling them to do for the past 4 YEARS? You outtlined what I have been telling to do on a large scale. Black people are told that homosexuality is a sin in their churches and community. I would have voted down the Proposition but some other still have those beliefs that are based in their religious belief. Do some peopl not understand that. I have had my struggles with trying to bridge this and I was also upset about some LGBT organizations being apathetic about the crimes that effect black gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transsexuals </p>
<p>They get a kick out of it because it similar to the whole &#8220;reverse racism&#8221; thing. I am not apart of it because it was voted down in other states. The people who really brought it down at the end of the day were whites because blacks probably could not have shifted it that much. Everyone should get the blame not just blacks.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Town:  Co-sign!  :&gt;)  :&gt;)</description>
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		<title>By: aaronraul</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaronraul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im from CALI so what you have to understand is that some black pastors and church members were on TV saying that it was their biblical duty to make sure prop 8 passed dont forget that Obama had a famous anti gay black gospel singer singing at one of his rallies this probally helped people form the perception that blacks helped prop 8 pass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im from CALI so what you have to understand is that some black pastors and church members were on TV saying that it was their biblical duty to make sure prop 8 passed dont forget that Obama had a famous anti gay black gospel singer singing at one of his rallies this probally helped people form the perception that blacks helped prop 8 pass</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody tell Nader that Obama will be in 47 years what he couldn&#039;t be in the 184 years that his ancient azz been here on earth, and that is the most powerful person on it. Nader needs to go sit his azz in a back room and eat some graham crackers while history will still be kind to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody tell Nader that Obama will be in 47 years what he couldn&#39;t be in the 184 years that his ancient azz been here on earth, and that is the most powerful person on it. Nader needs to go sit his azz in a back room and eat some graham crackers while history will still be kind to him.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nickwah22:  Thanks.  :&gt;)   I accidentally left off the word &quot;countdown&quot;.  Thanks for the catch.  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President-Elect Obama!   YES HE DID!  :&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nickwah22:  Thanks.  :&gt;)   I accidentally left off the word &#8220;countdown&#8221;.  Thanks for the catch.  :&gt;)</p>
<p>President-Elect Obama!   YES HE DID!  :&gt;)</p>
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