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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162633</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mesa is a scary place from what I have heard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rich white people. Suburb type place. Maricopa County. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sedona is more north, nearer Flagstaff. Weird in its own way -- but Mesa is much more of the Scaryville from what I have heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mesa is a scary place from what I have heard.</p>
<p>Rich white people. Suburb type place. Maricopa County. </p>
<p>Sedona is more north, nearer Flagstaff. Weird in its own way &#8212; but Mesa is much more of the Scaryville from what I have heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162632</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! In Mesa AZ. Isn&#039;t it pretty close to Sedona AZ? Hmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! In Mesa AZ. Isn&#39;t it pretty close to Sedona AZ? Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162631</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait. A. Minute.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This person also lived in &lt;b&gt;Arizona?&lt;/b&gt; O RLY?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is getting more and more surreal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. A. Minute.</p>
<p>This person also lived in <b>Arizona?</b> O RLY?</p>
<p>This is getting more and more surreal</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162624</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is better to want everyone to learn and do well because then everyone prospers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Grading curves are pretty evil -- in actual practice they discard learning as a goal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I say: teachers and institutions (metaphorically in this discussion: society) truly succeed when everyone learns. Change the lens. Greed is not automatically good. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But then there&#039;s Hobbes, Adam Smith and Milton Friedman to contend with, right? Because we all know human nature is just by definition ugly and greedy. Or ... is that just your own self you&#039;re generalizing and hiding behind unquestioned assumptions in hopes we won&#039;t see you for what you are?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apologies to others for feeding Teh Troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better to want everyone to learn and do well because then everyone prospers.</p>
<p>Grading curves are pretty evil &#8212; in actual practice they discard learning as a goal.</p>
<p>I say: teachers and institutions (metaphorically in this discussion: society) truly succeed when everyone learns. Change the lens. Greed is not automatically good. </p>
<p>But then there&#39;s Hobbes, Adam Smith and Milton Friedman to contend with, right? Because we all know human nature is just by definition ugly and greedy. Or &#8230; is that just your own self you&#39;re generalizing and hiding behind unquestioned assumptions in hopes we won&#39;t see you for what you are?</p>
<p>Apologies to others for feeding Teh Troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162635</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm...He doesn&#039;t read! Sound familar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;He doesn&#39;t read! Sound familar?</p>
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		<title>By: Noelani</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162634</link>
		<dc:creator>Noelani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Race has nothing to do with this.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You didn&#039;t get the memo, did you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t you know that the Republican&#039;s and corporate America has already said who are the real culprits behind the financial crisis ... THE DAMN MINORITIES!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Race has nothing to do with it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to have everything to do with EVERYTHING.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You just didn&#039;t get the memo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Race has nothing to do with this.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You didn&#39;t get the memo, did you?</p>
<p>Don&#39;t you know that the Republican&#39;s and corporate America has already said who are the real culprits behind the financial crisis &#8230; THE DAMN MINORITIES!!!</p>
<p>Race has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>It seems to have everything to do with EVERYTHING.</p>
<p>You just didn&#39;t get the memo.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162625</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike D:  ZZZZZZZZZZ!  But I defend your right to say it!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike D:  ZZZZZZZZZZ!  But I defend your right to say it!?</p>
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		<title>By: JJai</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162628</link>
		<dc:creator>JJai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162630</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Joe the Plumber&#039;s&#039; AZ driver license suspended&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Joe the Plumber&#39;s&#39; AZ driver license suspended</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323" rel="nofollow">http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162627</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Applause!  Applause!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Say it, JJai!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Applause!  Applause!</p>
<p>Say it, JJai!</p>
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		<title>By: JJai</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162626</link>
		<dc:creator>JJai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>think about stepping off!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;kick rocks!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your logic is just like your party affiliations. SMALL. Genius we don&#039;t all come into the world on equal footing. It&#039;s not unreasonable and certainly Christian behavior (rethugs are the party of faith) to help the least fortunate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If that logic doesn&#039;t work think of it his way. Just because you don&#039;t want to deal with a problem doesn&#039;t mean it disappears. Poverty breeds crime, health problems, and many other social problems. Guess what, we all foot the bill for prisons, unpaid health bills, and etc. So pay on the front end or the back end. But, you will pay idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think about stepping off!</p>
<p>kick rocks!</p>
<p>Your logic is just like your party affiliations. SMALL. Genius we don&#39;t all come into the world on equal footing. It&#39;s not unreasonable and certainly Christian behavior (rethugs are the party of faith) to help the least fortunate.</p>
<p>If that logic doesn&#39;t work think of it his way. Just because you don&#39;t want to deal with a problem doesn&#39;t mean it disappears. Poverty breeds crime, health problems, and many other social problems. Guess what, we all foot the bill for prisons, unpaid health bills, and etc. So pay on the front end or the back end. But, you will pay idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Noelani</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-162629</link>
		<dc:creator>Noelani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about ... getting a new talking point ... because that&#039;s so LAME.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also another distortion and inaccurate characterization of what Obama said to Joe the- &lt;b&gt;wife beating-tax evading-related to CHARLES KEATING -not really named Joe-not quite licensed&lt;/b&gt; Plumber.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But keep believing the lies. They suit you so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about &#8230; getting a new talking point &#8230; because that&#39;s so LAME.</p>
<p>Also another distortion and inaccurate characterization of what Obama said to Joe the- <b>wife beating-tax evading-related to CHARLES KEATING -not really named Joe-not quite licensed</b> Plumber.</p>
<p>But keep believing the lies. They suit you so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77413</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mesa is a scary place from what I have heard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rich white people. Suburb type place. Maricopa County. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sedona is more north, nearer Flagstaff. Weird in its own way -- but Mesa is much more of the Scaryville from what I have heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mesa is a scary place from what I have heard.</p>
<p>Rich white people. Suburb type place. Maricopa County. </p>
<p>Sedona is more north, nearer Flagstaff. Weird in its own way &#8212; but Mesa is much more of the Scaryville from what I have heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77409</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! In Mesa AZ. Isn&#039;t it pretty close to Sedona AZ? Hmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! In Mesa AZ. Isn&#39;t it pretty close to Sedona AZ? Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77401</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait. A. Minute.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This person also lived in &lt;b&gt;Arizona?&lt;/b&gt; O RLY?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is getting more and more surreal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. A. Minute.</p>
<p>This person also lived in <b>Arizona?</b> O RLY?</p>
<p>This is getting more and more surreal</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77399</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is better to want everyone to learn and do well because then everyone prospers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Grading curves are pretty evil -- in actual practice they discard learning as a goal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I say: teachers and institutions (metaphorically in this discussion: society) truly succeed when everyone learns. Change the lens. Greed is not automatically good. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But then there&#039;s Hobbes, Adam Smith and Milton Friedman to contend with, right? Because we all know human nature is just by definition ugly and greedy. Or ... is that just your own self you&#039;re generalizing and hiding behind unquestioned assumptions in hopes we won&#039;t see you for what you are?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apologies to others for feeding Teh Troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better to want everyone to learn and do well because then everyone prospers.</p>
<p>Grading curves are pretty evil &#8212; in actual practice they discard learning as a goal.</p>
<p>I say: teachers and institutions (metaphorically in this discussion: society) truly succeed when everyone learns. Change the lens. Greed is not automatically good. </p>
<p>But then there&#39;s Hobbes, Adam Smith and Milton Friedman to contend with, right? Because we all know human nature is just by definition ugly and greedy. Or &#8230; is that just your own self you&#39;re generalizing and hiding behind unquestioned assumptions in hopes we won&#39;t see you for what you are?</p>
<p>Apologies to others for feeding Teh Troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77397</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm...He doesn&#039;t read! Sound familar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;He doesn&#39;t read! Sound familar?</p>
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		<title>By: Noelani</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77390</link>
		<dc:creator>Noelani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Race has nothing to do with this.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You didn&#039;t get the memo, did you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t you know that the Republican&#039;s and corporate America has already said who are the real culprits behind the financial crisis ... THE DAMN MINORITIES!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Race has nothing to do with it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You just didn&#039;t get the memo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Race has nothing to do with this.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You didn&#39;t get the memo, did you?</p>
<p>Don&#39;t you know that the Republican&#39;s and corporate America has already said who are the real culprits behind the financial crisis &#8230; THE DAMN MINORITIES!!!</p>
<p>Race has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>You just didn&#39;t get the memo.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77386</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike D:  ZZZZZZZZZZ!  But I defend your right to say it!?</description>
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		<title>By: JJai</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/what-theyre-not-saying-about-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-1/#comment-77380</link>
		<dc:creator>JJai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*bowing and exiting stage left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks!</p>
<p>*bowing and exiting stage left.</p>
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