Jack & Jill Politics

Recap:

There was clearly one adult in the room tonight. That was Barack Obama. If you score debates on zingers . . . if the purpose was to move to the right for a base election . . . conservatives will be happy with McCain's performance.

BUT . . .

This is NOT a base-year-election. And despite McCain's "I'm not Bush" line, he still failed to give any concrete differences to distinguish himself from Bush on the economy. His tired line about "Joe the Plumber" ignores the fact that most plumbers don't make $250,000 a year. That's not "Joe the Plumber", that's Joe the business owner. His hostility towards "spreading the wealth" and getting government off of our backs is no more than the exact same right-wing philosophy we've had for the past 8 years. His republican base might love it, but I doubt it plays with Independents looking for change.

Here's the big question: Are voters listening???

If they are, then they clearly would have seen that Obama was much more substantive on the issues. . . much more thoughtful . . . and, yes, more PRESIDENTIAL.

This stood out no better than during their discussion about Bill Ayers. If you wanted a snappy retort from Obama, then you might have been disappointed. BUT, if you wanted to see just who wanted to talk about the issues and who could focus on the Ameirican people despite having their feelings hurt . . . that was clearly Obama. He didn't obsess over the politics of "reject and denounce" . . . he made his point, cleared the air, and got right back to the economy. McCain, on the other hand, couldn't get beyond John Lewis. It made him look small in comparison.

McCain still came off as an a-hole. He made a lot of silly faces and had a lot of audible sighs/grunts, etc. That doesn't look good on tv.

Two big gaffes for McCain . . . as Maddow said, dismissing the health of the mother in abortion will turn off a lot of female voters. In fact, I think Obama probably expanded his lead amongst women tonight by talking about equal pay.

McCain also associated transplants with cosmetic surgery when he talked about health care.

Bottom line, McCain's "Joe the Plumber" is no average joe in the context of today's hurting economy.

This is really up to how honest voters and the media are about this election. If you scored on the basis of zingers and one-liners . . . if you want to talk about "McCain the fighter" then some might give it to McCain.

BUT . . . if we're really voting on substance and leadership, Obama came off as far more presidential, RESPECTFUL, and in control of the subject material.

I say another win for Obama.

We'll see what the polls had to say.

B-Serious: NOW that I've seen it [was on another mission 2-night], I so much agree with your summary!

Thank you for this! :>)

Post Debate Thread is now up!!!

See you there!!

BARACK WON

Teachers ib charter schools do not have to be certified. I have to get 30 hrs a year to keep my certification. There are too many kids in a single classroom. I have had as many as 42 @ a time, though the average is around 30, which includes many special ed kids with IEP's & modifications. The biggest problem is that kids are too indulged. Many kids run their homes and their parents uphold them in their foolishness. Most kids are not made to do what they don't want to do, so they do not think they should have to do things that they don't want to do. They don't have any consequences that they care about. We retained 27 students, which is the most I've ever seen in my life. They are probably embarassed, but you would never know it. They act like they don't care. We have before school classes, after school classes , saturday school & summer school. There is no more time. If they don't get it before school, after school, during school, or summer school, I don't know when they are going to get it. A big part of the problem is that they don't want it. The same can't be said of the Asian or African ethnicities.

I work at a charter too. I have to be certified though... I glad that barack said something about the parents.

All right people, I have been dancing in the doorway for a minute. Have a good night folks. I will be here for the next discussion, whatever that may be.

Sarah Palin's child has Down's syndrome - why is she passionate about Autism?

Roz: Hey! :>) 'cause UNFORTUNATELY "autism" is the flavor of the month disorder. But, even it is trumped by "ASPERGER"S SYNDROME [a form of autism which occurs in less frequent numbers.]

Annnnnd, she, OBVIOUSLY, has NOT studied about "Special Education issues.

OOPS! Did I use "STUDIED" and "HER NAME" in the SAME sentence?? HAH!!
6 colleges in 5 years! :>)

She don't know WHAT her child has...if in fact, Trig is HER KID.

It shows Mcjerks lack of knowledge AND ultimately, concern about this and many other issues. I will be so glad when the truth about this baby becomes known. The Enquirer is going to get a leak from that hospital sooner or later. The baby looks just like Levi, Bristol's babydaddy, even with the birth defect.

Bristol better deliver a baby looking like Levi, or there's goin' to be hell to pay.

Especially if she went Black....

ok, I know I'm biased, but McCain came off as a real asshole tonight

No Offense to anyone that's in the military.

How can he allow people that are in the military to just come out of the military straight into teaching without taking exams?? What about people that have spent 4 plus years trying to pass these exams?? That's stupid..Somebody give me a shoe to throw at his ass..Idiot

Its offensive to everyone with an IQ over 50 to diminish the training required to teach. I was repulsed by McCain's assertion that basically, anyone can go into the classroom and do it. I can't believe he found a way for me to have even less respect for him...but damn, he did.

John McCain has no clue what it takes to be a teacher. Does he not realize that if he allowed this to happen that he would spend more money trying to fix with these uncertified ex-military teachers messed up?? That's like saying, Oh, after you graduate high school, you can just go ahead and become a teacher..Who needs training or a degree? I lost respect for him when he called Obama "That one" But this takes the cake.

No testing or certification------the same criteria he used to choose his running mate!

Not even the Military trust military instructors. The Air Force is the only one that gets college credits for Military led instruction because only the Air Force require at least a AA degrees to instruct.

Thank you for bringing this up. I thought this too. I wonder if McCain explained it correctly. He made it sound almost insulting to those who have to take the exams and get a degree.

Dang, how did I miss this discussion thread for all the previous debates?

Guess its time to go review this thing again and write about it.

Have a great evening folks!

Ok, Home! Trying to catch up.

From what I have seen so far, it looks like McCain eye sockets should be sore from all of the eye rolling.

This is just showing McCain to be very condescending, snarky, and has done nothing but try to impugn Obama's character, vice concentrating on his own. He did NOT hit this one out of the park!

It is his snarky, condescending personality which turns the majority of the voters off.
He has a complete lack of sincerity. Stupid and despicable!

Notice to McCain:

STOP BRINGING THE STUPID! My Ears, My Ears! I can't stand to listen anymore!!!!

I think John McCain's sole purpose of this debate was to gain Jenny McCarthy's vote. She said she was voting on Autism research and treatment only. He mentioned it several times so maybe he can get her and Jim Carrey on the trail tomorrow!

Jim Carrey's a Democrat and last heard, was supporting Obama.

Guess he and his girlfriend will differ on POTUS candidates...

lol, thanks =-)

"our kids are not an interest group, they're our future"
Did I say game over?

If you didn't, may I?

GAME OVER.

That nasty, discoloured grin...he thinks he's so clever.

All that cheddar and McCain won't get his grill whitened. What kind of shyt is that?

He's putting the cheddar on his teeth.

You mean Cindy won't let him get his teeth whitened?

And someone in his camp hates him because they keep putting him before backdrops where those yellowed teeth are in full effect mode (can you say "EWWWWWWWWWWWW")

LMAO @ Bring it to Obama. That was so sad.

DC schools are in the works. The Nupes are taking care of it.

The fuck? Autism AGAIN? Sarah Palin knows? Now does the Down's Baby ALSO have Autism? What's next? Sickle-Cell Anemia?

Palin ain't at home with that rugrat of hers long enough to know what the hell he has.

First it was Down's Syndrome - now he's autistic? He's only a few months' old and probably traumatized from the way they carry him around like a knock-off Coach purse.

CPL: . . knock-off Coach purse. . .

I am tha-rough!! :>) U R waaay 2 funny!! LOL!

Not to mention passing him around like Halloween candy.

We will be reading about Trig's problems in about 20 years' time.

CPL: It will be sooner than that. Wait 'til PRE-SCHOOL!! This is sad -the way they are NOT respecting their child!! [actually, all 'em!]

the way they carry him...


Oh, the funniest posters on the web are on this site! And the smartest!

Obama/Biden 08

LOL!!!! Yeah, I thought Palin's son had Down's - did McCain get in wrong?

yep

As a school teacher let me tell the voucher issue is BS. Let me tell you why. For a good quality private school the money that get from vouchers will not meet the cost. And charter schools aint all that great. They usually do not have the same resources as public schools. They just have more well behaved children. What I suggest is that there should be no restriction for children to attend school in any county or city. That means ghetto kids will not be restricted to going the public schools in the well to do areas as along it is in same county or city.

That will force the education department to make sure all school operate correctly, because those WASP will not to give ghetto parents any reason to attend the schools. IF you give vouchers than it is the underfunded and underprivilidged schools will be that much more underfunded.

Right. I somewhat agree, though as a public school teacher, I am not afraid of vouchers. Many people are still going to pick their neighborhood schools. Vouchers are not going to ghettoize Country Day, and the man is going to find ways to continue to keep us out, vouchers or no vouchers.

I know parents who work hard to put their children in catholic schools and independent schools. There should be some kind of local tax breaks for these parents. But vouchers...no. There are black and latino parents who try to get their children in better schools but the are not permitted. Parents want their children to go to good public schools. That's all. And their are excellent public schools but we don't have access to it. The school system is segregated and zoning is the key to this segregated.

Where you completely offended with the notion of people in the military just bypassing any type of credentialing and going straight into the classroom to teach as if teaching is the same as being a data entry clerk for Comcast??

Miranda: When you consider how LOW EDUCATION is on BOTH of their scales of importance - that statement - albeit insulting to teachers who have worked their butts off in order to prepare to EDUCATE the NEXT GENERATION, - is PAR for THEIR COURSE!!

They DON'T CARE 'BOUT EDUCATION!!!

McAncient 894/899 The Gov. 5 colleges in 6 years!!!

The Gov's children - 1 HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT! 3 NOT doing well in school, according to a report that I read.; 1 HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT "almost son-in-law", whenever!

They are PITIFUL!!!

Ljf, I did a research paper on the same subject and it's one of the reasons I can't stand Harold Ford, Jr., because when he was in Congress, he was spearheading the initiatives on school vouchers and couldn't articulate why school vouchers would be better.

Especially when I put the statistics before his yellow ass and he couldn't comprehend that even with school vouchers, parents still had to pay up the ass to send their kids to private school.

Then, he ran away down the Congressional halls....ROFL

CPL: Thank you for this info. I tried to read up on Mr. Ford, but ya cain't learn everything, especially, intents and motivations, from the literature. So, I appreciate this perspective!! :>)

Green Lady, I always say that if you're taking a position on an issue, at least be educated and informed about that issue. Harold took a position on school vouchers because the DLC leadership told him it would be a way to advance his political career.

You would think his staff would have briefed him about school vouchers.

They didn't.

CPL: Just talking to my daughter this morning. We agreed that when someone says: "I'm not saying it he did and I'm not saying he didn't,"
then, we cain't have a discussion 'cause that person doesn't have a POSITION.

Mr. Ford presents himself as a "centrist" - so much so that I don't know what HIS position is. Confusing! Oh. well.

He finally said that Mr. Obama made 2 good points! Still the "HATA"-type tepid!

I work in pupil personnel. I deal with schools and budget. For every 35 kids a school get one teacher as well as other services. I've seen schools close because they are underpopulated. Thus kids that are zone to the school have to go to other schools and those schools become overcrowded. With special ed kids its even worse. Because extra funding is needed for special services. Many school in poor neighborhoods are not in compliance when it comes to special ed. Imagine taking money from these schools and school districts via vouchers. Disaster.

Now if you get Shaniqua and Tananay going to the school of Taylor and Parker. If you get Brenda Smith who got 5 kids from four different fathers and one of the father is a Blood on the same PTA committee as Elizabeth Rothchild who husband is on the board of a major cultural institution... well you get the idea. Elizabeth will make sure that Brenda zone school is properly funded, staffed and is state of the art.

Did you chase him??....lol waving that research paper! You shoulda tackled him and shoved that paper down his damned throat.

Harold always runs in the opposite direction whenever he sees me because he knows I'm getting in that ass about his political positions and demanding answers.

He ran from me the same way at Netroots Nation when I was about to get in that ass about his "debate" with Markos. And I have witnesses to that event!

I thought McCain was supposed to "Bring It" tonight, because he "had Obama where he wanted him."

Yawn......

I have so much respect for Obama - he doesn't act as if he's trying to beat the crap out of McCain, he acts like someone who is actually trying to be President. He looks agreeable but tough, while McCain is just trying to take shots.

I don't think the CNN graph is responding well to McCain either, but I haven't been following it consistently.

I repeat... Obama is trying to lead this country, not just be president!!

Elephants & Flowers: CO-SIGNING!! :>) :>)

CHOICE! Obama should say this is the USA there shouldn't be any bad choices when it comes to school in America!

What's the update on the CNN graph??!!

I'm just checking in. Had to make a hospital run. Who won?

spirit_55z: Me 2! Now I'm Watching the re-run.

Just from what I've seen - - OBAMA SO WON!! HE IS A LEADER -A MAN WITH A PLAN!!! WOW!!

LISTEN TO HIS KNOWLEDGE OF FOREIGN ECONOMICS!!

McAncient is SMARMY/SNARKY/SARCASTIC just like The Gov.!! YUK!!

Oh, did I say: HE SOOOO WON!!


Obama-Biden '08!!

Oh Lord, is McCain really taking this to civil rights? And New Orleans at that.

Who the hell decided on these questions??? What an utterly meaningless debate!!

They spent at least a third of the time re-hashing guilt by association with Ayers. The only substantive information provided was by Obama who told us about his plans AND McCain's!!!

McCain offered nothing but ugly, discoloured grimaces and accusations.

Agreed, McCain is a smarmy little bastard.

Lol, These are issues they needed to hash out though. I'm glad I got an understanding. Since I don't have the luxury of calling Obama himself to exonerate him of this craziness, I must have it cleared here.

I know. What a waste.

"I see they lips moving but they ain't talking about nothing".

It did show that McCain can be even more petty than previously recorded.

By time our generation has kids in college, tuition is expected to be around $50k a year.

So much for going to private school

WHAT is it with this "eloquence of Obama"?

He is repeating the mantra that Obama can only make speeches.

Black man can't be smart--you know how to run and dance dontcha? Let's see some of that!

I know, right? That is such an old, tired line. Somebody must have told him this is the way to the get the Joe Six-Pack Plumber constituency.

All his lines were old, rehashed from the stump, lies about Obama.

Am I the only one who thinks as a last ditch effort, the programmers have wired McCain for a grand finale involving red, white and blue sparklers coming out of his ears as he talks about his love of country right before he belts out The Battle Hymn of the Republic?

Oh well.........mccain really should have belted out the song...maybe it would have helped.

lol

LOL

The split screen is not favoring McCain and his dismissive expressions. Honey, less is more.

I wish they would keep showing it. McCain is being incredibly rude.

Blink, Blink, Blink...Blink....Blink, Blink, Blink...Blink

I got it!!! Morse Code!!

S O S????

lol.

(socialist....obama...socialist
socialist...obama...socialist)

Lmao...Too funny

S O C
Save Our Campaign

ROFLMAO!!!!!

...hahahaha liar liar, pants on fire!

Mr straight talk just talked himself into a corner saying he would just Scotus on their qualifications....then had to walk back when it was suggested they might be pro-choice.

He lie when he is not even speaking...His face lies..lol

you're killin me!

What did I do...lmao

Hey would you please vote for Barack on a poll on the Drudge Report? I know it's slanted right, but I always like to represent the other side.

thanks for the reminder!

Un fucking believable, Lil Wayne's the President! Fuck em! Fuck em, Fuck em! Even if they celibate!

dude, you crazy...

Lol, sorry. It was just on my mind. Guess I have been listening to TOO MUCH rap music.

....Ok..... Back to using my intelligence.

-)

"Joe you're rich" so said McCain. Hunhhhhhhh?!?!?!??!

Anybody who knows about small businesses or worked in small business know that small businesses are not rich by any stretch of the imagination.

Hunhhh?

Have u noticed McCain bugging his eyes out?
It looks like they're about to pop out!

Well damn! Pop out already!

Yikes. Obama is actually starting to look upset. I haven't seen him look that serious since the Rev. Wright speech - oh, wait - he just flashed a smile again.

I thought I saw nose-flaring.

Most people are not like Joe the plumber.

I AM SICK OF JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO WHAT THAT JOE IS RICH...I AINT

5% vs. 95%
Focus on the middle class

Exactly. Majority of Americans, atleast in the black community, can not afford to even start a business. Let alone have the issue of wanting to buy it.

Please stop. This is an insult to every one you see standing in traffic selling newspapers, collecting scrap or tin cans, whom offers to wash your car, pull a dent or fixes a leak. I sold insurance and IRA's once and was put into contact to many men an women whom are self employed doing jobs like this. We run business'. They are like Obama says we make less than $250,000 a year.

Let me clarify my statement a bit.

1. I said that MAJORITY of americans and african-americans do not own businesses. I would like you to go out and take a random sample. Go downtown in your local city, and grab 20 people. 10 randoms of the general public, and 10 random african americans. I assure you that you will not find more than 5 of each group that have a legitimate business.

2. When I speak of "Starting a Business" I am referring to those that are recognized by the government. They have their own tax IDs, generally have a board of people, and are legal entities that have been recognized by their state. They are LLPs, LLCs, S. Corporations, C. Corporations and so on. They are taxed on their own merit, and it does not come out of the pockets of the individuals who own it. These are the people who will be affected by "business tax" changes. I believe what you are referring to are people who have "sole proprietorships" and mix their personal finances with that of the business. I put a link below for a better understanding.

Now, please do not get me wrong, I give much credit to the people that are able survive off of sole proprietorships, individually owned companies, or straight up side hustles. I commend anyone who can do that. Especially those that have the ability to make something out of nothing. However, these are not the people I was referring to, nor including in my approximation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business

I'm willing to bet Joe was a plant.

I am not worried about Joe.


And why wouldn't he want the health care that the congress gets, that really IS good insurance.

McCain is an ass.

Sorry, cannot like Mr Wilson anymore.

Joe the plummer is an idiot. If we get John Mccain, we won't need his services because we won't be able to afford them.

....zero??

hahahahaha!

Joe the plumber can kiss my natural ......

Sorry folks...this is getting on my nerves because the man is rude, he's lying, and disrespectful.

Mcbitch SUCKS!!!!!!! I wish he would choke on his lying spit.

How is O doing on the CNN meter?

I love how Obama is again looking into the camera. He's on that!

His Joe the plumber bit is NOT working. LMAO!

evita: Shhhhhhhhh!! Don't tell McAncient that there is NO "JOE THE PLUMMER!"

He was one of McAncient's little FAUX "playmates" when he was growing up!! :>) :>)

Annnnnnnd, McAncient STILL BELIEVES that he exists!

He also believes in SANTA CLAUS and the "TOOTH FAIRY!"

That's why he cain't wait 'til ALL his YELLOW TEETH fall out!!

So, let's NOT tell him now. He might have a stroke!! OTOH - Well! O.K. :>)

The funny thing is that I thought Obama's exchange with Joe the Plumber was a fabulous study on how you agree to disagree. All this stuff that John is bringing up is some extra sh*t.

Is is TOOOOOOOOOO much!

Oh, GOD, not Joe the Fuckin' Plumber again. McCain, you didn't even meet Joe the Fuckin' Plumber and now you're babbling about a fine--has Obama ever said anything like that? Oh, wait...OF COURSE NOT.

Dang. Joe must feel really good right about now.

Say it ain't so, Joe (the plumber)!

I just tried to get health care for my family. $5K does jack-sh*t, particularly as a credit!

Really? How much should you need for health care? My mom says she can insure herself and my 2 sisters for like $100 something a month. But then again....thats oklahoma

I was quoted at $160 a month for an individual plan through BlueCross/Shield. Compare that to the $17 a month I pay through my employer based health insurance. Individual plans are more expensive for families....So if you are working a minimum wage job w/o benefits $200+ a month becomes burdonsom.

I can't find the number right now. But, I'm in California...everything is more expensive out here.

I love how Obama just laid this out with actual numbers. The average plan cost $12,000?!?! And McCain is offering them only $5,000?

The Indies are sick of hearing about plumber Joe.

Joe the plumber was a GOP plant to trip Obama up.

O needs to blast him on the Columbian free trade agrement. B. Clinton is pushing it hard (as a paid agent of Columbia), W is pushing it hard. They have many lobbyists pushing it, which basically will move the rest of the jobs out of the country. PUUUULEASE!!! O should have had a much better response to that.

I got 5 ...JM is going to blow tonight.

Really...I feel it

I wish he would blow.

HA! I'm in!! McCain looks like a fool.

John McCain is a whiney fuck.

This is SO over.

Obama wins.

Game, set, and match.

Next: November 4, 2008.

Election Day.

He is SO Stupid---he is making my head hurt!

Precondition? He's going there? He's like a student flailing on an exam and throwing every buzzword in some incoherent fashion hoping that he'll get it right.

Lol. I thought I was the only one that was seeing that. I bet he goes home and yells at himself in the mirror after all this is over.

Didnt he just say that Hoover was right in how he handled the last depression? (even though he was the reason we were in it so long)

When is he gonna let this craziness go? Calm down with all of that!

I love Obama, but damn, he's stuttering and uh-uhing too much. That said, he's doing well on the CNN emotion-meter or whatever the heck that doohickey is.

LOL @ emotion-meter... that's about all it's good for.

I went to an event by Environmentalists for Obama, and they made this seem very feasible. And in an ever quicker time frame than Obama is estimating.

The man actually wants to lead this country, not just be president. Therefore, he knows his stuff.

Thank God for that. Our country cant afford to feed anyones ego right now.

did he just school him on Columbia?

I don't know if anyone is hearing this but McCain is doing a lot of sighing and mumbling. He's just a mean, old, nasty man with yellow teeth. Yea...I said it.

I hear it and its very annoying
Good thing he's sitting down, he would have walked a hole in the carpet by now

Yeah, they're grunts, exhalations, sighs, .tongue thrusts, raised eyebrows.

LOL!!!!

McCain is definitely aggressive tonight. Not I can't believe he went there with Ayers but I really think all he did was excite his base including that self loathing dude.

Obama is getting lower "ticks" on CNN so far from independents, but not low enough to lose the game. All McCain has now is to regularly draw fouls.

Palin is qualified, yeah right. Women didn't buy it.

You're right - it definitely feels like McCain is trying to go out with a bang. His aggressiveness just comes off as bitter and scary to me. I can't believe this is their strategy!

Thanks for the CNN graph update!!

Drill Baby Drill!

John can not stay on topic to save his life

Oh it would kill him to stay on topic...You know he almost on his death bed anyway...

That was wrong..I shouldn't have said that

Why wasn't the Palin investigation discussed or even mentioned? A missed opportunity, I think...

O is trying to take the high road.

Obama will not make this election about Palin.
He's expecting the people to see her for the phony that she is.

Good point, E&F... Luckily, the record on this speaks for itself! :-)

He is so smooth!

This has become tiresome!
Is it November 4th, yet?

I know. I'm tired.

RIGHT!!

Did he just say cock-a-may-me (sp?). He is 100.

pjamma: You realize that Biden is gonna take a piece of that "McA$$" tomorrow on that cock-a-may-me word. :>) :>) TRUST!!! :>)

I'm praying to find the VIDEO! :>) :>) [Don't let me down - Joe. :>)]

Boo Yahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How will you fund special needs with a freeze.

He better Say that!!

Autism? The frak is he doing talking about autism? And why mention Palin's husband--does Old Coot want to open the door here? REALLY?

Niiiiice move with the autism rebuttal, Obama!!!!

And oh yeah--special needs and women! And she's got a good man looking over her shoulder!

Her RECORD on special needs, women and minorities is bad & she should be embarassed about those. Mcdummy is desperate. I read today where Todd would not be eligible for security clearance due to his membership in a subversive organization.

I can't believe he is trying to make Palin sound like a good pick. I guess he has to, but I wouldn't be able to do it without laughing.

Will Obama clarify Palin's record??

Will Schiffer question Palin's record?

Oh slam!!! Palin as president!! Mcpussy is ashamed as he should be! Oh man! There is no contest between Biden & Pig lips.

You should check this out!
http://palinaspresident.com/

lmao

Mcpunkass is blinking mighty hard so you know he's lying.

"Your attacks say more about your campaign than it says about me"
game over

GREAT LINE

You know!!??
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!

His manner is disrespectful because he is scared to death that he's losing!

Seeing that he had screwed the pooch royally, McCain't switches back to taxes.

Oh No He Didn't!!!!
Defend your VP candidate!!!

McCain is behaving like a bee-yotch. This cannot be resonating.

Obama is doing a good job drawing a contrast between ridiculousness and policy.

FUCK YEAH! Get it, Obama!

I'm glad that Obama is clearing the air.

But this shit is making me angry. As long as they are discussing this BS, McCain doesn't have to discuss the substantial issues. DEFLECTING.

...And by that, I mean that McCain is deflecting..

Boo Yah!

McCain has been practicing some new nasty, nasty talking points. And his manner is more condescending and disrespectful than ever. And cutting Obama off in mid-sentence like that?!? I can't wait until McCain has to give his concession speech.

JUst got home; how is it going?

Well they got everything out on the table - Ayers, ACORN, terrorists, Joe the Plumber... McCain is a disgusting little man. Crazy thing is, according to CNN, McCain's graph line goes DOWN when he starts talking about Ayers, etc.

There was a lot of blinking and smirking from Mr Wilson, too.

THanks; from the little that I have seen he seems very agitated and cutting him off.

As opposed to talking about what he is going to do; he talking about Barack...

O is totally getting under the Old Coot's skin!

oh no he didn't!

I'm ready to move on to something else...I cannot stand the lies this man is saying right now... I wanted Obama to ask him what has been said at his rallies. T-shirts? What about an Obama sticker being wrapped around a monkey's head? Down right disrespectful...

Well folks...there you have it..

ACORN and Ayers!

Ayers, ACORN and No New Taxes
That's me story and I'm stickin' to it

yep. and with that--mccain just lost this debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama, cool as a cucumber!

OMG! What the hell is JM saying about his supporters? He can't be any prouder than of these idiots yelling kill him?!?!?! I'm completely befuddled and disgusted.

God is gong to strike McCain down on this stage.

This is getting ridiculous

I am glad that Obama isn't playing the game the way this Old Coot wants it played.

You haven't repudiated BS, McShame...

well...u know... if only obama had agreed to town halls, none of this would be happening... ;-)

Damn, and THAT'S what lost the election.


LOL

What is this shit? Is he a freaking baby?

Crying ass...i'm so glad obama brought up Palin's Rallies

While I want Obama to attack, he's playing this well.
John... you don't want to focus on the issues, you want to distract with petty attacks

"The most dedicated, patriotic, VITRIOLIC..."

Obama's starting to smile to himself. Look out...

The "kill him" number is coming up.

"I'm proud of the people who come to our rallies."

"I love the people that come to our rallies..Because they say what I fell"

Feel

Yeah, I caught that too. WOW is all I can say... That speaks volumes.

ACORN, Ayers, good lord...!

Oh boy. Here we go. Boo-hoo-hoo.

Bring it O!! Whip him with it!!

I hope O DOES NOT repudiate Lewis. Don't do for it O!!

and he did not, Teacher!

Bought up Lewis twice!! Does McCain really wanna go there?

Obama needs to correct McCain's lies and stop taking the high road.

Is he crying?

Yes, because for all his talk, he is a pussy. Where is Cindy? He needs to hide behind her.

I wish Obama could tell McCain. I am a grown A man. I don't have to repudiate Lewis or go to a hundred 11 town halls!

Stop acting like some goddamn baby, you old ass fuck! Obama has NOT run a negative campaign, you trite ninny!

Media spin. They both have been issuing negative ads throughout the campaign. Of course, McCain has increased the vitriolic hate-speak...

Are you kidding me!!!!! I have to turn my t.v. off now!!!!!!

Get over the Town Halls already!

Will you listen at him bringing up John Lewis?

I am too through.

I don't understand. You spread lies because Obama doesn't want to have town hall meetings? Which, judging by last debate you would've sucked at too? Oh he is not going there on John Lewis....

Say it to my face MF!!!

Here we go!

WHAT?!? How can McCain blame Obama for the tone with that ridiculous town hall meeting crap when his running mate is --

WHAT!?! John Lewis, OMG - Didn't repudiate?!? I can't type fast enough..

My 8 year old son just said that McCain has been blinking alot.

Danger Will Robinson! System failure!

Miranda, the only thing I will miss when the elections are over are your witty remarks.

Please be passionate about other topics with the same verve!

I'm gonna miss this running MadTV sketch that is the McCain campaign too......they have been the source of much laughter for me.

Drugs...

Trying to create some juice--body is dry <gasp, gasp>

Oh snap! Got him with the Fox News line.

Fantastic!

JJP fam, do you think the pundits will say McCain won?

At the moment...Yes.. But we will see how this ends

YES!!

Is anyone watching the CNN graph??
Can we get an update??

WOW...McCain trying to comeback with the you should have ran against Bush for years ago.

it was a good line.

Shiffer... You're going to balance the budget in 4 years??

McCain... Yeah. Now let's talk about something else...

Just lying his ass off!

Everytime he opens his mouth he tells a lie

I want to say more but I'm mad now...Let me calm down

Remain calm and cool O...remain steady....

Trying to be snarky!

he is looking a little testy/spicy huh?

LOL - Obama looks like, "Man, I'm so tired of you telling lies about me...."

Second that! haha!

Uncommitted Ohio voters are lovin' McCain's spending talk right now.

We need a question about technology. That would shut the old guy down.

LOL....it doesn't even have to be a question about 21st century technology......ask him about that new-fangled call waiting.

I am Dying over here...LMAO

Does the government send 700 billion each year or is that from Americans' pockets? That's not cutting government spending, right?

How is McCain going to call Obama an unpatriotic Muslim Arab terrorist who is trying to steal the election, without actually calling him an unpatriotic Muslim Arab terrorist who is trying to steal the election? That will be some magic trick. This should be interesting. I hear the moderator, Bob Scheiffer has a soft spot in his heart for McCain; let's hope it's not a factor. Tick... tock... tick... tock...

"NOT spread the wealth around"? Did I hear that correctly, or did I hear that out of context?

Yep that is exactly what he said...I wonder if he will spread some of the Mrs. money since he is so generous tonight.

You heard correctly. One of many classic McCain gaffes, like "My fellow prisoners..."

Yes, he said that. Keep the rich, rich. Keep the poor, poor.

If Ireland is so great for businesses, why are they so poor?

You need to get out. Ireland is known as the Celtic tiger. The economy has exploded over the last 15 years because they speak English, have access to the EU without being in it and subject to its rule and they have their own currency.. they are also a net food exporter to the world. Many of the Irish illegals have gone home unless married because there is real work at home.

McCain is really pushing this tax thing!

This is the third debate and why are we getting bogged down in the tax talk AGAIN. It is important, of course, but it just seems like a repeat of the last two debates. Let's talk about something else please!

I agree!! I'm so tired of talking about taxes..Ugh. Move on!!

Ok....McCain is on something. He's looking a little wierd. Something is not right physically.

I agree with this. He's got this funny look on his face like he's about to eat Obama, or at least part of him. He's cutting off Obama's words.

He's lying! He did not say that he wanted to spread the wealth around..he did not say that

That's why I love Obama..He comes back with the truth...McCain cannot be trusted

Is McCain's Skin Real??

Its that expensive Hollywood make-up artist

You know he has been doing some botox

Lol..I guess he is trying to keep up with Cindy McCain!

Say it ain't so Joe!

See! Truth! I knew that guy was a plant...the plumber!

Look, if Joe the plumber didn't charge so much for coming on a Saturday to fix a comode and charge travel costs, etc, he wouldn't be in such a high tax bracket.

Honestly, how many people feel that sorry for a plumber?

My ninety year old client had a broken toilet and 9 hundred dollars later.... she could use it again.

Next we will worry about the grave robbers.

Ohhh...no wonder he keeps mentioning Joe the plumber.

Sarah=Joe Six Pack and McCain+Joe the plumber!

It did seem like the guy was prepared! He wanted to interrupt Barack and take control of the situation. McCain keeps bringing him up.

The guy had a phone interview with Fox immediately after the interview

McCain did not answer the question about why his plan is better?

Exactly - but Obama lays it out point by point. What is this Joe the plumber crap!?!

Barack had a phenomenal conversation with Joe the Plumber
Check it out when you get a chance!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA

I just marked this to watch later. Thanks for the link!

McCain seems so old...

He is old!!!!

Well McCain can't WANDER tonight!

He may not be wandering physically but mentally???

Roland Martin:

Obama is setting up McCain for the political rope-a-dope

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/10/obama-i...

Wow ya'll...Barack's LAST DEBATE before becoming POTUS...

Just think...18 months ago, it was Barack on a stage with ten other contenders...the man has debated nearly 25 times, and now...One Last Debate before the election.

Once this debate is over, I'm going to stand in my living room and give the man an ovation.

BTW, Huffington Post has been running stories about Colin Powell endorsing *O*...If I were Colin Powell, I'd be pretty dayum proud right now.

Knowing how Bob Schieffer is biased towards McCain, there's a possibility that this could be another ABC debate.

I'm sure Obama is aware of the possibility

Heard Gov. Paterson on Hardball.....I like him more and more

I hope you guys pick up on this. This is the latest build up on the hate mongering which is spreading on the Republican side. Al Austin, well known Republican fundraiser, emailed the following joke with this punchline:

"Finally at the back of the room, Little Johnny raised his hand. In a quiet voice he said: 'If the plane carrying you and Mrs. Obama was struck by a 'friendly fire' missile and blown to smithereens that would be a tragedy.'

'Fantastic!' exclaimed Obama. 'That's right. And can you tell me why that would be tragedy?'

'Well,' says the boy, 'It has to be a tragedy, because it certainly wouldn't be a great loss.. and it probably wouldn't be an accident either .'"

The hatemongering on the Republican side must stop and we need to be clear and loud about it.

Here are the few and scant reports about this incident:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/15/182835...

http://flprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/10/too-s...

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/10/al-austi...

I'M SO EXCITED!! AND i JUST CAN'T HIDE IT!!! Actually, I'm nervous too. Crossing my fingers about McCain's use of words...

For any questions about Ayers, Wright, Lewis...whoever: JIM CROW IS DEAD!

Damn a double-standard.


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Using a football metaphor, gotta hold the ball and run the clock out. Do no harm.

cosigning
No fancy plays necessary just pure ground game and no fumbles.