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		<title>By: hustleandfloe</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-165889</link>
		<dc:creator>hustleandfloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan:  Welcome to freeze peach and unhinged diversity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wondering: if we accept that Obama is &quot;created&quot; as any given candidate may well be (that&#039;s the nature of politics), how might McCain have been created.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apart, I&#039;m not against any created candidate on that ground alone.  Bankers are created by their mentors.  Teachers are created.  Good people doing good things are created. There&#039;s not a one of us that doesn&#039;t owe somebody.  John Donne said it better:  No man is an island.  That&#039;s where Obama&#039;s spread the wealth ideology comes from.  I&#039;m not against that phrase because it&#039;s not as lopsided as republicans make it out to be.  It is the epitome of shared benefit, shared sacrifice.  Taxes are not evil.  They are fees for services - I&#039;m guessing you don&#039;t have your own police department or fire truck.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; I think that&#039;s the problem with republican mythology: the Horatio Alger self-created man.  The only problem with created folks is when creation does wrong as in Dr. Frankenstein&#039;s or when the creator is bad, as in Mr. Chaney.  Chaney, though, started, according to one really good account, in the new book, Angler, as a Frankenstein, with stated good intentions in the fierce interest of protecting this country.  He goes wrong and against the country where he does this at any cost and gives incentive to all kinds of collateral damage: paying off known evil-doin&#039; folks and big corporations at the expense of the American people and our general moral authority. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain, to me, comes from that mythology, playing on our fears and wrecking his hero podium knowingly.  I think he&#039;s a frustrated would-be leader who may now not even really want to be president, but, just like Chaney, has dug himself so deeply that his own mission is eating itself up.  So he resorts to the tried and true tropes...racism, fear, and selfishness (making us regular old folk think we have some superiority by just being regular and hard-working and...broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan:  Welcome to freeze peach and unhinged diversity.</p>
<p>Wondering: if we accept that Obama is &#8220;created&#8221; as any given candidate may well be (that&#39;s the nature of politics), how might McCain have been created.</p>
<p>Apart, I&#39;m not against any created candidate on that ground alone.  Bankers are created by their mentors.  Teachers are created.  Good people doing good things are created. There&#39;s not a one of us that doesn&#39;t owe somebody.  John Donne said it better:  No man is an island.  That&#39;s where Obama&#39;s spread the wealth ideology comes from.  I&#39;m not against that phrase because it&#39;s not as lopsided as republicans make it out to be.  It is the epitome of shared benefit, shared sacrifice.  Taxes are not evil.  They are fees for services &#8211; I&#39;m guessing you don&#39;t have your own police department or fire truck.</p>
<p> I think that&#39;s the problem with republican mythology: the Horatio Alger self-created man.  The only problem with created folks is when creation does wrong as in Dr. Frankenstein&#39;s or when the creator is bad, as in Mr. Chaney.  Chaney, though, started, according to one really good account, in the new book, Angler, as a Frankenstein, with stated good intentions in the fierce interest of protecting this country.  He goes wrong and against the country where he does this at any cost and gives incentive to all kinds of collateral damage: paying off known evil-doin&#39; folks and big corporations at the expense of the American people and our general moral authority. </p>
<p>McCain, to me, comes from that mythology, playing on our fears and wrecking his hero podium knowingly.  I think he&#39;s a frustrated would-be leader who may now not even really want to be president, but, just like Chaney, has dug himself so deeply that his own mission is eating itself up.  So he resorts to the tried and true tropes&#8230;racism, fear, and selfishness (making us regular old folk think we have some superiority by just being regular and hard-working and&#8230;broke.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-165890</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick of people spouting bad information when it is so easy to get the truth from multiple reliable sources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tell me Joan - who exactly did William Ayers kill and how does Acorn negatively affect your/anyone&#039;s vote on Nov 4?   I am happy to wait for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick of people spouting bad information when it is so easy to get the truth from multiple reliable sources.</p>
<p>Tell me Joan &#8211; who exactly did William Ayers kill and how does Acorn negatively affect your/anyone&#39;s vote on Nov 4?   I am happy to wait for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-165891</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right because the you can tell the health of a slave from the teeth, shoulders and muscles.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Downright pitiful.  I hoped I heard it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right because the you can tell the health of a slave from the teeth, shoulders and muscles.   </p>
<p>Downright pitiful.  I hoped I heard it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: hustleandfloe</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-88056</link>
		<dc:creator>hustleandfloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan:  Welcome to freeze peach and unhinged diversity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wondering: if we accept that Obama is &quot;created&quot; as any given candidate may well be (that&#039;s the nature of politics), how might McCain have been created.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apart, I&#039;m not against any created candidate on that ground alone.  Bankers are created by their mentors.  Teachers are created.  Good people doing good things are created. There&#039;s not a one of us that doesn&#039;t owe somebody.  John Donne said it better:  No man is an island.  That&#039;s where Obama&#039;s spread the wealth ideology comes from.  I&#039;m not against that phrase because it&#039;s not as lopsided as republicans make it out to be.  It is the epitome of shared benefit, shared sacrifice.  Taxes are not evil.  They are fees for services - I&#039;m guessing you don&#039;t have your own police department or fire truck.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; I think that&#039;s the problem with republican mythology: the Horatio Alger self-created man.  The only problem with created folks is when creation does wrong as in Dr. Frankenstein&#039;s or when the creator is bad, as in Mr. Chaney.  Chaney, though, started, according to one really good account, in the new book, Angler, as a Frankenstein, with stated good intentions in the fierce interest of protecting this country.  He goes wrong and against the country where he does this at any cost and gives incentive to all kinds of collateral damage: paying off known evil-doin&#039; folks and big corporations at the expense of the American people and our general moral authority. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain, to me, comes from that mythology, playing on our fears and wrecking his hero podium knowingly.  I think he&#039;s a frustrated would-be leader who may now not even really want to be president, but, just like Chaney, has dug himself so deeply that his own mission is eating itself up.  So he resorts to the tried and true tropes...racism, fear, and selfishness (making us regular old folk think we have some superiority by just being regular and hard-working and...broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan:  Welcome to freeze peach and unhinged diversity.</p>
<p>Wondering: if we accept that Obama is &#8220;created&#8221; as any given candidate may well be (that&#39;s the nature of politics), how might McCain have been created.</p>
<p>Apart, I&#39;m not against any created candidate on that ground alone.  Bankers are created by their mentors.  Teachers are created.  Good people doing good things are created. There&#39;s not a one of us that doesn&#39;t owe somebody.  John Donne said it better:  No man is an island.  That&#39;s where Obama&#39;s spread the wealth ideology comes from.  I&#39;m not against that phrase because it&#39;s not as lopsided as republicans make it out to be.  It is the epitome of shared benefit, shared sacrifice.  Taxes are not evil.  They are fees for services &#8211; I&#39;m guessing you don&#39;t have your own police department or fire truck.</p>
<p> I think that&#39;s the problem with republican mythology: the Horatio Alger self-created man.  The only problem with created folks is when creation does wrong as in Dr. Frankenstein&#39;s or when the creator is bad, as in Mr. Chaney.  Chaney, though, started, according to one really good account, in the new book, Angler, as a Frankenstein, with stated good intentions in the fierce interest of protecting this country.  He goes wrong and against the country where he does this at any cost and gives incentive to all kinds of collateral damage: paying off known evil-doin&#39; folks and big corporations at the expense of the American people and our general moral authority. </p>
<p>McCain, to me, comes from that mythology, playing on our fears and wrecking his hero podium knowingly.  I think he&#39;s a frustrated would-be leader who may now not even really want to be president, but, just like Chaney, has dug himself so deeply that his own mission is eating itself up.  So he resorts to the tried and true tropes&#8230;racism, fear, and selfishness (making us regular old folk think we have some superiority by just being regular and hard-working and&#8230;broke.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-88012</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick of people spouting bad information when it is so easy to get the truth from multiple reliable sources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tell me Joan - who exactly did William Ayers kill and how does Acorn negatively affect your/anyone&#039;s vote on Nov 4?   I am happy to wait for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick of people spouting bad information when it is so easy to get the truth from multiple reliable sources.</p>
<p>Tell me Joan &#8211; who exactly did William Ayers kill and how does Acorn negatively affect your/anyone&#39;s vote on Nov 4?   I am happy to wait for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-88011</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right because the you can tell the health of a slave from the teeth, shoulders and muscles.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Downright pitiful.  I hoped I heard it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right because the you can tell the health of a slave from the teeth, shoulders and muscles.   </p>
<p>Downright pitiful.  I hoped I heard it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: caligirl</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87970</link>
		<dc:creator>caligirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They can&#039;t quite come to terms that he&#039;s infinitely more smart than they are.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;THAT&#039;S why he&#039;s winning!   isn&#039;t it ironic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They can&#39;t quite come to terms that he&#39;s infinitely more smart than they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>THAT&#39;S why he&#39;s winning!   isn&#39;t it ironic?</p>
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		<title>By: spirit_55z</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87927</link>
		<dc:creator>spirit_55z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excuse me, Claudia, did you say Wal-Mart?  Who the hell shops at that awful place?  This respectable Black woman does not shop there.  Can you say BOYCOTT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excuse me, Claudia, did you say Wal-Mart?  Who the hell shops at that awful place?  This respectable Black woman does not shop there.  Can you say BOYCOTT?</p>
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		<title>By: Lilytiger</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87922</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilytiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I really missed it. My kitty is much too cute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I really missed it. My kitty is much too cute.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87921</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s on &lt;a href=&quot;http://msnbc.com&quot;&gt;msnbc.com&lt;/a&gt; videos section.   LOL....can you imagine?   Those bozos are looking at Obama, scratching their heads, and wondering why he&#039;s beating them.   All they can come up with are his teeth and smile.    They can&#039;t quite come to terms that he&#039;s infinitely more smart than they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s on <a href="http://msnbc.com">msnbc.com</a> videos section.   LOL&#8230;.can you imagine?   Those bozos are looking at Obama, scratching their heads, and wondering why he&#39;s beating them.   All they can come up with are his teeth and smile.    They can&#39;t quite come to terms that he&#39;s infinitely more smart than they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87735</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... It&#039;s DUNCAN HUNTER.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Duncan Hunter of anti-migrant &quot;fame&quot; if my memory serves me right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seems to me that if there is anyone who still believes that there is a strong line between the white nationalists who hate migrants specifically, and the white nationalists in general -- a line marked by &quot;citizenship&quot; for example -- they would do well to note of who is saying this and what else he has said. IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; It&#39;s DUNCAN HUNTER.</p>
<p>Duncan Hunter of anti-migrant &#8220;fame&#8221; if my memory serves me right.</p>
<p>Seems to me that if there is anyone who still believes that there is a strong line between the white nationalists who hate migrants specifically, and the white nationalists in general &#8212; a line marked by &#8220;citizenship&#8221; for example &#8212; they would do well to note of who is saying this and what else he has said. IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87734</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well. Sometroll desires attention from JJP and will blather til she gets it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Joan&quot; person, if you are so concerned about what you claim concern about, go work for Senator McCain&#039;s campaign.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because I hear that they&#039;re down one lying white woman now in the volunteer ranks. Perhaps you could fill in there, or recruit someone who would? They&#039;re hurting now, you know?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, you should be aware that those who build foundations on lies should not publicly invoke truth as you have done here. Truth is gaining power and your dee4p lack of respect is not going to go unaccountable. As I said to the &quot;s&quot; troll, don&#039;t say no one warned you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well. Sometroll desires attention from JJP and will blather til she gets it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Joan&#8221; person, if you are so concerned about what you claim concern about, go work for Senator McCain&#39;s campaign.</p>
<p>Because I hear that they&#39;re down one lying white woman now in the volunteer ranks. Perhaps you could fill in there, or recruit someone who would? They&#39;re hurting now, you know?</p>
<p>Also, you should be aware that those who build foundations on lies should not publicly invoke truth as you have done here. Truth is gaining power and your dee4p lack of respect is not going to go unaccountable. As I said to the &#8220;s&#8221; troll, don&#39;t say no one warned you.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s what you say about horses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard it.</p>
<p>It&#39;s what you say about horses.</p>
<p>And slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral_Komack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admiral_Komack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desperation.&lt;br&gt;For the McCain campaign, it&#039;s what&#039;s for dinner.&lt;br&gt;Bon appertit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desperation.<br />For the McCain campaign, it&#39;s what&#39;s for dinner.<br />Bon appertit!</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87447</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  If I remember correctly.... Good teeth and a big smile!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  If I remember correctly&#8230;. Good teeth and a big smile!</p>
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		<title>By: Justice58</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87517</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  If I remember correctly.... Good teeth and a big smile!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  If I remember correctly&#8230;. Good teeth and a big smile!</p>
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		<title>By: JJai</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/10/friday-open-thread-10/comment-page-10/#comment-87427</link>
		<dc:creator>JJai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he mentioned B.O. having good teeth as a positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he mentioned B.O. having good teeth as a positive.</p>
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		<title>By: JJai</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he mentioned B.O. having good teeth as a positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he mentioned B.O. having good teeth as a positive.</p>
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		<title>By: hustleandfloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>hustleandfloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>audio fruitcake. (laughing stoopid over here.)   I&#039;m stillin&#039; that to use for the season&#039;s greetings. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>audio fruitcake. (laughing stoopid over here.)   I&#39;m stillin&#39; that to use for the season&#39;s greetings. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: hustleandfloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>hustleandfloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>audio fruitcake. (laughing stoopid over here.)   I&#039;m stillin&#039; that to use for the season&#039;s greetings. Thanks!</description>
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