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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  I went too fast.  &lt;b&gt;YES!  ALL THE VICTIMS NEED HELP!&lt;/b&gt;  And we should have had the money to help them, IFFF we didn&#039;t have to do this - - - - - 1.  Bailout   2. War  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  My point was that we are ALL upset about this &quot;bailout&quot; &#039;cause the &quot;fat cats&quot; are walking away with the &quot;Benjamins&quot;!  And errybody else is left to remain in their miserable state!  And they don&#039;t care, as long as they get their &quot;Golden Parachute&quot;!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So here&#039;s how you make them [consider] caring:  Point out to them that their GREED has caused this crisis!  IFFF we didn&#039;t have to use our money to stabilize their greedy corporations, THEN there would be some money ta do what the feds are suppose to do &lt;b&gt;for the people&lt;/b&gt; [by the people and of the people.]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  Then to SHRUB:  IFFF your EGO didn&#039;t get us into this war,  THEN there would be money to take care of our people instead of &quot;democratizing&quot; a country  who didn&#039;t want us there in the first place.  Additionally, they are sitting on billions and they won&#039;t give us 1 penny for re-payment.&lt;br&gt;And U 2 will walk away with your Bemjamins!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll try to slow it down so that I&#039;m clearer.  Thanks for responding so that I can make my corrections.  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama-Biden &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  I went too fast.  <b>YES!  ALL THE VICTIMS NEED HELP!</b>  And we should have had the money to help them, IFFF we didn&#39;t have to do this &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; 1.  Bailout   2. War  </p>
<p>1.  My point was that we are ALL upset about this &#8220;bailout&#8221; &#39;cause the &#8220;fat cats&#8221; are walking away with the &#8220;Benjamins&#8221;!  And errybody else is left to remain in their miserable state!  And they don&#39;t care, as long as they get their &#8220;Golden Parachute&#8221;!</p>
<p>So here&#39;s how you make them [consider] caring:  Point out to them that their GREED has caused this crisis!  IFFF we didn&#39;t have to use our money to stabilize their greedy corporations, THEN there would be some money ta do what the feds are suppose to do <b>for the people</b> [by the people and of the people.]</p>
<p>2.  Then to SHRUB:  IFFF your EGO didn&#39;t get us into this war,  THEN there would be money to take care of our people instead of &#8220;democratizing&#8221; a country  who didn&#39;t want us there in the first place.  Additionally, they are sitting on billions and they won&#39;t give us 1 penny for re-payment.<br />And U 2 will walk away with your Bemjamins!</p>
<p>I&#39;ll try to slow it down so that I&#39;m clearer.  Thanks for responding so that I can make my corrections.  :&gt;)</p>
<p>Obama-Biden &#39;08!</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenLady,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe they need it. I am quite disturbed by the lack of news about the Ike victims. Something went down there that we weren&#039;t told about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenLady,</p>
<p>I believe they need it. I am quite disturbed by the lack of news about the Ike victims. Something went down there that we weren&#39;t told about.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  First:  &lt;b&gt;HEAD BOW&lt;/b&gt;    As somebody remarked yesterday, one option is to print more money!  :&gt;)   NOT!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-texas-needs-40b-from-feds-for-ike-cleanup.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Officials:  Texas Needs $40B From Feds For Ike Cleanup&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt; (Newser) – Texas officials told Congress today they might need up to $40 billion in aid to rebuild the state&#039;s hurricane-hit areas, the Houston Chronicle reports. The state&#039;s lieutenant governor sought at least $11.5 billion of aid and as many trailer homes as available to help the 770 communities damaged by Hurricane Ike. Houston&#039;s mayor requested an immediate $2.5 billion injection to help his metropolis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SKIP&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Texas Sen. John Cornyn said he will urge “parity” between help for Ike victims and the current Wall Street bailout.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can anyone miss how the &quot;hatin&#039;&quot; on the Wall Street debacle is really playing out!  Do you think that other states hit by Gustav &amp; Hannah might also have their hands out by tomorrow.  Then what about Louisiana, etc.  Katrina victims are still suffering.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then, there&#039;s the monthly bill for that &quot;successful&quot; war!  I&#039;ll stop here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whew!  Financial Deep Breaths!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Obama-Biden &#039;08!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  First:  <b>HEAD BOW</b>    As somebody remarked yesterday, one option is to print more money!  :&gt;)   NOT!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-texas-needs-40b-from-feds-for-ike-cleanup.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex.." rel="nofollow">http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex..</a>.<br /><b>Officials:  Texas Needs $40B From Feds For Ike Cleanup</b></p>
<p><i> (Newser) – Texas officials told Congress today they might need up to $40 billion in aid to rebuild the state&#39;s hurricane-hit areas, the Houston Chronicle reports. The state&#39;s lieutenant governor sought at least $11.5 billion of aid and as many trailer homes as available to help the 770 communities damaged by Hurricane Ike. Houston&#39;s mayor requested an immediate $2.5 billion injection to help his metropolis.</p>
<p>SKIP</p>
<p>Texas Sen. John Cornyn said he will urge “parity” between help for Ike victims and the current Wall Street bailout.</i></p>
<p>Can anyone miss how the &#8220;hatin&#39;&#8221; on the Wall Street debacle is really playing out!  Do you think that other states hit by Gustav &#038; Hannah might also have their hands out by tomorrow.  Then what about Louisiana, etc.  Katrina victims are still suffering.</p>
<p>Then, there&#39;s the monthly bill for that &#8220;successful&#8221; war!  I&#39;ll stop here.</p>
<p>Whew!  Financial Deep Breaths!!</p>
<p><b>Obama-Biden &#39;08!</b></p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>msmartin,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is getting really ugly.  They&#039;re saying Obama &amp; McCain need to leave the campaign and return to Washington...but O cannot afford to leave the campaign trail when the race is this close...and we know McCain won&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fineman said the outgoing administration is writing the script for the next president.   I know Barack is pissed off about this &#039;cause he was jabbing his finger into the podium during his press conference.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dems sound more and more like the want to cave just to make this go away...&lt;br&gt;Barney Frank was trying to reassure Schuster they&#039;ll know the values AFTER the transactions.   What&#039;s the benefit of knowing AFTER the transaction is completed???   Yeah, some talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, they cave.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve said before, Barack needs to cut out the boy scout nonsense and be a son of a bitch...that&#039;s what it will take to deal with these people...NOT &quot;consensus building&quot;...when their only consensus is their own survival.&lt;br&gt;I say no deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>msmartin,</p>
<p>This is getting really ugly.  They&#39;re saying Obama &#038; McCain need to leave the campaign and return to Washington&#8230;but O cannot afford to leave the campaign trail when the race is this close&#8230;and we know McCain won&#39;t.</p>
<p>Fineman said the outgoing administration is writing the script for the next president.   I know Barack is pissed off about this &#39;cause he was jabbing his finger into the podium during his press conference.</p>
<p>Dems sound more and more like the want to cave just to make this go away&#8230;<br />Barney Frank was trying to reassure Schuster they&#39;ll know the values AFTER the transactions.   What&#39;s the benefit of knowing AFTER the transaction is completed???   Yeah, some talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, they cave.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve said before, Barack needs to cut out the boy scout nonsense and be a son of a bitch&#8230;that&#39;s what it will take to deal with these people&#8230;NOT &#8220;consensus building&#8221;&#8230;when their only consensus is their own survival.<br />I say no deal.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigHickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CraigHickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody got to Bill Clinton.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or all the criticism cracked that ego.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His appearance on the Daily Show is &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; more pro-Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody got to Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>Or all the criticism cracked that ego.</p>
<p>His appearance on the Daily Show is <i>much</i> more pro-Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  IMHO this is an example of a &quot;chess move&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-markarian/humane-society-legislativ_b_128375.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-markarian...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Humane Society Legislative Fund Endorses Obama-Biden&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;One of the guiding principles of the Humane Society Legislative Fund is that we evaluate candidates based on a single criterion: where they stand on animal protection policies. We don&#039;t make decisions based on party affiliation, or any other social issue, or even how many pets they have. We care about their views and actions on the major policy debates relating to animal welfare.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While we&#039;ve endorsed hundreds of congressional candidates for election, both Democrats and Republicans, &lt;b&gt;we&#039;ve never before endorsed a presidential candidate.&lt;/b&gt; We have members on the left, in the center, and on the right, and we knew it could be controversial to choose either party&#039;s candidate for the top office in the nation. But in an era of sweeping presidential power, we must weigh in on this most important political race in the country. &lt;b&gt;Standing on the sidelines is no longer an option for us.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SKIP&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m proud to announce today that the HSLF board of directors--which is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans--&lt;b&gt;has voted unanimously to endorse Barack Obama for President. The Obama-Biden ticket is the better choice on animal protection, and we urge all voters who care about the humane treatment of animals, no matter what their party affiliation, to vote for them.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SKIP&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The McCain campaign did not fill out the HSLF presidential questionnaire, and has also not issued any public statements on animal welfare issues. He was silent during the downed animal scandal and beef recall, which played out during a high-point in the primary fight. Yet he did speak at the NRA convention earlier this year, and is the keynote speaker this weekend in Columbus, Ohio, at the U.S. Sportsmen&#039;s Alliance rally--an extremist organization that defends the trophy hunting of threatened polar bears and captive shooting of tame animals inside fenced pens.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BOO-YAH!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The choice for animals is especially clear now that Palin is in the mix. If Palin is put in a position to succeed McCain, it could mean rolling back decades of progress on animal issues.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just had ta throw in that BOO-YAH =CHECK!  This is why I like to use the &quot;chess game model&quot; for Mr. Obama.  These endorsements don&#039;t come easy.  And look how many animal/pet owners are in the population!  Soo, WHITE, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, etc. all y&#039;all - look whose concerned about animal humane issues!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;GOTV!!  VOTE  Obama-Biden  &#039;08!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  IMHO this is an example of a &#8220;chess move&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-markarian/humane-society-legislativ_b_128375.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-markarian.." rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-markarian..</a>.<br /><b>Humane Society Legislative Fund Endorses Obama-Biden</b></p>
<p><i>One of the guiding principles of the Humane Society Legislative Fund is that we evaluate candidates based on a single criterion: where they stand on animal protection policies. We don&#39;t make decisions based on party affiliation, or any other social issue, or even how many pets they have. We care about their views and actions on the major policy debates relating to animal welfare.</p>
<p>While we&#39;ve endorsed hundreds of congressional candidates for election, both Democrats and Republicans, <b>we&#39;ve never before endorsed a presidential candidate.</b> We have members on the left, in the center, and on the right, and we knew it could be controversial to choose either party&#39;s candidate for the top office in the nation. But in an era of sweeping presidential power, we must weigh in on this most important political race in the country. <b>Standing on the sidelines is no longer an option for us.</b></p>
<p>SKIP</p>
<p>I&#39;m proud to announce today that the HSLF board of directors&#8211;which is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans&#8211;<b>has voted unanimously to endorse Barack Obama for President. The Obama-Biden ticket is the better choice on animal protection, and we urge all voters who care about the humane treatment of animals, no matter what their party affiliation, to vote for them.</b></p>
<p>SKIP</p>
<p>The McCain campaign did not fill out the HSLF presidential questionnaire, and has also not issued any public statements on animal welfare issues. He was silent during the downed animal scandal and beef recall, which played out during a high-point in the primary fight. Yet he did speak at the NRA convention earlier this year, and is the keynote speaker this weekend in Columbus, Ohio, at the U.S. Sportsmen&#39;s Alliance rally&#8211;an extremist organization that defends the trophy hunting of threatened polar bears and captive shooting of tame animals inside fenced pens.</p>
<p>BOO-YAH!!</p>
<p>The choice for animals is especially clear now that Palin is in the mix. If Palin is put in a position to succeed McCain, it could mean rolling back decades of progress on animal issues.</i></p>
<p>I just had ta throw in that BOO-YAH =CHECK!  This is why I like to use the &#8220;chess game model&#8221; for Mr. Obama.  These endorsements don&#39;t come easy.  And look how many animal/pet owners are in the population!  Soo, WHITE, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, etc. all y&#39;all &#8211; look whose concerned about animal humane issues!</p>
<p>GOTV!!  VOTE  Obama-Biden  &#39;08!!</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Note to Bill Clinton&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-note-to-bill-clinton_b_128755.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-n...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;We see your rage, Bill, it&#039;s too huge to hide. We see that -- as Chris Rock so brilliantly pointed out -- it pains you to even speak Obama&#039;s name. We see you petulantly rooting against him even as you go through the motions of doing the barest minimum on his behalf to avoid being blamed if he loses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re not fooling anyone, Bill. You&#039;ve gotten so caught up in yesterday that you&#039;ve stopped thinking about tomorrow. You have the power to influence millions of voters and you&#039;re spitefully sitting on it. Surely you&#039;ve noticed what&#039;s going on in the country. Surely you&#039;re aware of what&#039;s at stake on November 4th. This is not a game that you can afford to take your ball and go home with if you don&#039;t get to play the position you want. An Obama loss will most certainly be part of your legacy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s still time to fix it. How about this for an October surprise? Bill Clinton gets on the road and spends every day until the election sincerely and wholeheartedly communicating the urgency of electing Obama. You&#039;re the greatest politician of your generation, Bill. Surely you can fake enthusiasm for a month.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, and stop talking about how much you like Senator McCain. Have you forgotten the vile joke he told a decade ago at your wife&#039;s and daughter&#039;s expense? Let me remind you: &quot;Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? She&#039;s the child of Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton.&quot; Are you saying, Bill, that you can forgive McCain for calling Chelsea &quot;ugly&quot; but you can&#039;t forgive Obama for defeating Hillary?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Obama loses a close election -- one in which even one state where you could have made a difference goes for McCain because you sat home and pouted -- it will be on you. We will remember that you couldn&#039;t be bothered to rise above your petty resentments for something as trivial as saving your country from the enemies of everything you profess to believe in. We forgave you for Monica, Bill, but we won&#039;t forgive you for this. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Note to Bill Clinton<br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-note-to-bill-clinton_b_128755.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-n.." rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-n..</a>.<br />
<blockquote><i>We see your rage, Bill, it&#39;s too huge to hide. We see that &#8212; as Chris Rock so brilliantly pointed out &#8212; it pains you to even speak Obama&#39;s name. We see you petulantly rooting against him even as you go through the motions of doing the barest minimum on his behalf to avoid being blamed if he loses.</p>
<p>You&#39;re not fooling anyone, Bill. You&#39;ve gotten so caught up in yesterday that you&#39;ve stopped thinking about tomorrow. You have the power to influence millions of voters and you&#39;re spitefully sitting on it. Surely you&#39;ve noticed what&#39;s going on in the country. Surely you&#39;re aware of what&#39;s at stake on November 4th. This is not a game that you can afford to take your ball and go home with if you don&#39;t get to play the position you want. An Obama loss will most certainly be part of your legacy.</p>
<p>There&#39;s still time to fix it. How about this for an October surprise? Bill Clinton gets on the road and spends every day until the election sincerely and wholeheartedly communicating the urgency of electing Obama. You&#39;re the greatest politician of your generation, Bill. Surely you can fake enthusiasm for a month.</p>
<p>Oh, and stop talking about how much you like Senator McCain. Have you forgotten the vile joke he told a decade ago at your wife&#39;s and daughter&#39;s expense? Let me remind you: &#8220;Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? She&#39;s the child of Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton.&#8221; Are you saying, Bill, that you can forgive McCain for calling Chelsea &#8220;ugly&#8221; but you can&#39;t forgive Obama for defeating Hillary?</p>
<p>If Obama loses a close election &#8212; one in which even one state where you could have made a difference goes for McCain because you sat home and pouted &#8212; it will be on you. We will remember that you couldn&#39;t be bothered to rise above your petty resentments for something as trivial as saving your country from the enemies of everything you profess to believe in. We forgave you for Monica, Bill, but we won&#39;t forgive you for this. </i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Monie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulson and Bernanke are really playing &quot;Chicken Little--the sky is falling&quot; with this bailout.  I want to know exactly who is next to fail----if they can ask taxpayers for a bailout, then we need full disclosure off how deep these so-called banks and firms are in the hole--who IS next in line.  We need this information printed up in every local paper, on the internet, all over TV.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even with the other previous bailouts, we as citizens still don&#039;t know what the bank&#039;s losses were---why did they need a bailout on the backs of average Americans.  This is ludricrous.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mean, regular citizens have to disclose all of their debts before a bankruptcy proceeding, and yet not one bank of firm has had to offer up their accounting books for the American people to see.  I haven&#039;t even heard the media discuss true dollar amounts---and yet we are supposed to pay back for shady business practices, while they lived lavishly and are laughing at us because they know they will get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulson and Bernanke are really playing &#8220;Chicken Little&#8211;the sky is falling&#8221; with this bailout.  I want to know exactly who is next to fail&#8212;-if they can ask taxpayers for a bailout, then we need full disclosure off how deep these so-called banks and firms are in the hole&#8211;who IS next in line.  We need this information printed up in every local paper, on the internet, all over TV.</p>
<p>Even with the other previous bailouts, we as citizens still don&#39;t know what the bank&#39;s losses were&#8212;why did they need a bailout on the backs of average Americans.  This is ludricrous.  </p>
<p>I mean, regular citizens have to disclose all of their debts before a bankruptcy proceeding, and yet not one bank of firm has had to offer up their accounting books for the American people to see.  I haven&#39;t even heard the media discuss true dollar amounts&#8212;and yet we are supposed to pay back for shady business practices, while they lived lavishly and are laughing at us because they know they will get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  Actually, &quot;McAncient&quot; needs to read this and Cindy betta help him watch his back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/palin/?source=newsletter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/pa...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mean Girl&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sarah Palin has a way of using &quot;old boys&quot; -- then dumping them when they become inconvenient.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sept. 23, 2008 &#124; WASILLA, Alaska -- Before Sarah Palin decided to run for the Wasilla mayor&#039;s office in 1996 against incumbent John Stein, the Palins and Steins were friends. John Stein had helped launch Palin&#039;s political career, mentoring the hockey mom during her 1994 run for City Council, along with veteran council member Nick Carney. Stein&#039;s wife, Karen Marie, went to aerobics classes with Palin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But when she announced her candidacy for Stein&#039;s seat, vowing to overturn the city&#039;s &quot;old boy&quot; establishment, a different Sarah Palin emerged. &quot;Things got very ugly,&quot; recalled Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins. &quot;Sarah became very mean-spirited.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Wasilla mayor&#039;s seat is nonpartisan, and Mayor Stein, a former city planner who had held the post for nine years, ran a businesslike campaign that stressed his experience and competency. But Palin ignited the traditionally low-key race with scorching social issues, injecting &quot;God, guns and abortion into the race -- things that had nothing to do with being mayor of a small town,&quot; according to Tigner. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SKIP&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Despite Palin&#039;s reform reputation, she has maintained a delicate relationship with Stevens over the years -- courting his endorsement for governor, then distancing herself after his 2007 federal indictment on corruption charges, and then cozying up again when it appeared he might survive politically. As for Allen -- the former oil roughneck whose North Slope wealth has greased many a palm in Alaska -- Palin found nothing wrong with his money when she ran for lieutenant governor in 2002.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, I noticed that Miss &quot;Whatever&quot; Cindy started hangin&#039; with &quot;McAncient&quot; as soon as their nominations were made!  She knew what the &quot;hap&quot; was!  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Black widow spiders do something similar!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama-Biden  &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  Actually, &#8220;McAncient&#8221; needs to read this and Cindy betta help him watch his back.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/palin/?source=newsletter" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/pa.." rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/pa..</a>.<br /><b>Mean Girl</b><br /><b>Sarah Palin has a way of using &#8220;old boys&#8221; &#8212; then dumping them when they become inconvenient.</b></p>
<p><i>Sept. 23, 2008 | WASILLA, Alaska &#8212; Before Sarah Palin decided to run for the Wasilla mayor&#39;s office in 1996 against incumbent John Stein, the Palins and Steins were friends. John Stein had helped launch Palin&#39;s political career, mentoring the hockey mom during her 1994 run for City Council, along with veteran council member Nick Carney. Stein&#39;s wife, Karen Marie, went to aerobics classes with Palin.</p>
<p>But when she announced her candidacy for Stein&#39;s seat, vowing to overturn the city&#39;s &#8220;old boy&#8221; establishment, a different Sarah Palin emerged. &#8220;Things got very ugly,&#8221; recalled Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins. &#8220;Sarah became very mean-spirited.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Wasilla mayor&#39;s seat is nonpartisan, and Mayor Stein, a former city planner who had held the post for nine years, ran a businesslike campaign that stressed his experience and competency. But Palin ignited the traditionally low-key race with scorching social issues, injecting &#8220;God, guns and abortion into the race &#8212; things that had nothing to do with being mayor of a small town,&#8221; according to Tigner. </p>
<p>SKIP</p>
<p>Despite Palin&#39;s reform reputation, she has maintained a delicate relationship with Stevens over the years &#8212; courting his endorsement for governor, then distancing herself after his 2007 federal indictment on corruption charges, and then cozying up again when it appeared he might survive politically. As for Allen &#8212; the former oil roughneck whose North Slope wealth has greased many a palm in Alaska &#8212; Palin found nothing wrong with his money when she ran for lieutenant governor in 2002.</i></p>
<p>Again, I noticed that Miss &#8220;Whatever&#8221; Cindy started hangin&#39; with &#8220;McAncient&#8221; as soon as their nominations were made!  She knew what the &#8220;hap&#8221; was!  :&gt;)</p>
<p>Black widow spiders do something similar!</p>
<p>Obama-Biden  &#39;08!</p>
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		<title>By: BlackButterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackButterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/fbi-investigating-compani_n_128759.html rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FBI INVESTIGATION OF WALL STREET&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  This comes under the heading - No They Di-Ent:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13789.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13789...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;House GOP Rises Up Against Cheney&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;There was a time when Dick Cheney could turn back a Republican revolt on Capitol Hill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;That time is gone.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The vice president traveled to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to silence a chorus of GOP complaints about Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s $700 billion plan. But House Republicans who walked into a closed-door meeting with Cheney steaming over the plan walked out just as angry, and they described what happened in between as both “a bloodbath” and “an unmitigated disaster.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SKIP&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conservatives present also grilled the assembled White House officials about what alternatives the administration considered before coming up with this plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hill Republicans have circulated their own alternatives. Most deal with long-term issues — tax reform, regulatory overhauls or comprehensive energy proposals — that lack the immediate impact Treasury seeks.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is this where we say that the wheels are falling off the wagon?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama-Biden  &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  This comes under the heading &#8211; No They Di-Ent:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13789.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13789.." rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13789..</a>.<br /><b>House GOP Rises Up Against Cheney</b></p>
<p><i>There was a time when Dick Cheney could turn back a Republican revolt on Capitol Hill.</p>
<p><b>That time is gone.</b></p>
<p>The vice president traveled to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to silence a chorus of GOP complaints about Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s $700 billion plan. But House Republicans who walked into a closed-door meeting with Cheney steaming over the plan walked out just as angry, and they described what happened in between as both “a bloodbath” and “an unmitigated disaster.”</p>
<p>SKIP</p>
<p>Conservatives present also grilled the assembled White House officials about what alternatives the administration considered before coming up with this plan.</p>
<p>Hill Republicans have circulated their own alternatives. Most deal with long-term issues — tax reform, regulatory overhauls or comprehensive energy proposals — that lack the immediate impact Treasury seeks.</i></p>
<p>Is this where we say that the wheels are falling off the wagon?</p>
<p>Obama-Biden  &#39;08!</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  Mudflats is making &quot;The Gov.&#039;s&quot; issues VERY CLEARLY DEFINED:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/palin-investigation-vs-palin-investigation-the-basics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/palin-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Palin Investigation vs Palin Investigation.  The Basics&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;You may be hearing about how Sarah Palin has decided to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation. Most people who haven’t been following the ins and outs of this whole sordid affair, may think that this is a good thing. They may think she’s had a change of heart. They may have heard something about another investigation, but believe it to be ‘partisan’ and a Democratic witch hunt. Well, it’s time to leave the witch hunting to the pastor who prayed her into the governor’s mansion, and &lt;b&gt;explain exactly what’ s going on with these two, very different, investigations.&lt;/b&gt; Here are the basics:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Investigation #1: The Alaska State Legislature/The Legislative Council&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Investigation #2: The Personnel Board&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The bottom line:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bipartisan, unanimously endorsed, Palin-sanctioned investigation by the Alaska State Legislature&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;vs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Republican, 3-member board, governor appointed, working directly for Palin, McCain sanctioned investigation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You make the call.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve left the rest of the explanations for you reading pleasure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mudflats promises more!  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama-Biden  &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  Mudflats is making &#8220;The Gov.&#39;s&#8221; issues VERY CLEARLY DEFINED:</p>
<p><a href="http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/palin-investigation-vs-palin-investigation-the-basics/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/palin-.." rel="nofollow">http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/palin-..</a>.<br /><b>Palin Investigation vs Palin Investigation.  The Basics</b></p>
<p><i>You may be hearing about how Sarah Palin has decided to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation. Most people who haven’t been following the ins and outs of this whole sordid affair, may think that this is a good thing. They may think she’s had a change of heart. They may have heard something about another investigation, but believe it to be ‘partisan’ and a Democratic witch hunt. Well, it’s time to leave the witch hunting to the pastor who prayed her into the governor’s mansion, and <b>explain exactly what’ s going on with these two, very different, investigations.</b> Here are the basics:</p>
<p>Investigation #1: The Alaska State Legislature/The Legislative Council</p>
<p>Investigation #2: The Personnel Board</p>
<p>The bottom line:</p>
<p>Bipartisan, unanimously endorsed, Palin-sanctioned investigation by the Alaska State Legislature</p>
<p>vs.</p>
<p>Republican, 3-member board, governor appointed, working directly for Palin, McCain sanctioned investigation.</p>
<p>You make the call.</i></p>
<p>I&#39;ve left the rest of the explanations for you reading pleasure.</p>
<p>Mudflats promises more!  :&gt;)</p>
<p>Obama-Biden  &#39;08!</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They used simple manipulation and have been doing it forever. They use the wal-mart moms and nascar dads to do the dirty work, the power of the GOP will never get their hands dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They used simple manipulation and have been doing it forever. They use the wal-mart moms and nascar dads to do the dirty work, the power of the GOP will never get their hands dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You better believe it was drawn up over the past few months; right around February when it was clear that Obama would beat Hillary and people really want change and were fed up with the killing, lying, stealing Republican party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These mofos would kill one of their own children to keep Obama from becoming their president - trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You better believe it was drawn up over the past few months; right around February when it was clear that Obama would beat Hillary and people really want change and were fed up with the killing, lying, stealing Republican party.</p>
<p>These mofos would kill one of their own children to keep Obama from becoming their president &#8211; trust.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good one...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;DON&#039;T TAKE THE BAIT: How to Lose an Election in 10 Easy Steps Hotlist&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/8591/39629/870/607298&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/8591/39...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good one&#8230;</p>
<p>DON&#39;T TAKE THE BAIT: How to Lose an Election in 10 Easy Steps Hotlist<br /><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/8591/39629/870/607298" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/8591/39.." rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/8591/39..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: msmartin</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think not!</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  I went too fast.  &lt;b&gt;YES!  ALL THE VICTIMS NEED HELP!&lt;/b&gt;  And we should have had the money to help them, IFFF we didn&#039;t have to do this - - - - - 1.  Bailout   2. War  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  My point was that we are ALL upset about this &quot;bailout&quot; &#039;cause the &quot;fat cats&quot; are walking away with the &quot;Benjamins&quot;!  And errybody else is left to remain in their miserable state!  And they don&#039;t care, as long as they get their &quot;Golden Parachute&quot;!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So here&#039;s how you make them [consider] caring:  Point out to them that their GREED has caused this crisis!  IFFF we didn&#039;t have to use our money to stabilize their greedy corporations, THEN there would be some money ta do what the feds are suppose to do &lt;b&gt;for the people&lt;/b&gt; [by the people and of the people.]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  Then to SHRUB:  IFFF your EGO didn&#039;t get us into this war,  THEN there would be money to take care of our people instead of &quot;democratizing&quot; a country  who didn&#039;t want us there in the first place.  Additionally, they are sitting on billions and they won&#039;t give us 1 penny for re-payment.&lt;br&gt;And U 2 will walk away with your Bemjamins!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll try to slow it down so that I&#039;m clearer.  Thanks for responding so that I can make my corrections.  :&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama-Biden &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  I went too fast.  <b>YES!  ALL THE VICTIMS NEED HELP!</b>  And we should have had the money to help them, IFFF we didn&#39;t have to do this &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; 1.  Bailout   2. War  </p>
<p>1.  My point was that we are ALL upset about this &#8220;bailout&#8221; &#39;cause the &#8220;fat cats&#8221; are walking away with the &#8220;Benjamins&#8221;!  And errybody else is left to remain in their miserable state!  And they don&#39;t care, as long as they get their &#8220;Golden Parachute&#8221;!</p>
<p>So here&#39;s how you make them [consider] caring:  Point out to them that their GREED has caused this crisis!  IFFF we didn&#39;t have to use our money to stabilize their greedy corporations, THEN there would be some money ta do what the feds are suppose to do <b>for the people</b> [by the people and of the people.]</p>
<p>2.  Then to SHRUB:  IFFF your EGO didn&#39;t get us into this war,  THEN there would be money to take care of our people instead of &#8220;democratizing&#8221; a country  who didn&#39;t want us there in the first place.  Additionally, they are sitting on billions and they won&#39;t give us 1 penny for re-payment.<br />And U 2 will walk away with your Bemjamins!</p>
<p>I&#39;ll try to slow it down so that I&#39;m clearer.  Thanks for responding so that I can make my corrections.  :&gt;)</p>
<p>Obama-Biden &#39;08!</p>
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		<title>By: rikyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>rikyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenLady,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe they need it. I am quite disturbed by the lack of news about the Ike victims. Something went down there that we weren&#039;t told about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenLady,</p>
<p>I believe they need it. I am quite disturbed by the lack of news about the Ike victims. Something went down there that we weren&#39;t told about.</p>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rikyrah:  First:  &lt;b&gt;HEAD BOW&lt;/b&gt;    As somebody remarked yesterday, one option is to print more money!  :&gt;)   NOT!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-texas-needs-40b-from-feds-for-ike-cleanup.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Officials:  Texas Needs $40B From Feds For Ike Cleanup&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt; (Newser) – Texas officials told Congress today they might need up to $40 billion in aid to rebuild the state&#039;s hurricane-hit areas, the Houston Chronicle reports. The state&#039;s lieutenant governor sought at least $11.5 billion of aid and as many trailer homes as available to help the 770 communities damaged by Hurricane Ike. Houston&#039;s mayor requested an immediate $2.5 billion injection to help his metropolis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SKIP&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Texas Sen. John Cornyn said he will urge “parity” between help for Ike victims and the current Wall Street bailout.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can anyone miss how the &quot;hatin&#039;&quot; on the Wall Street debacle is really playing out!  Do you think that other states hit by Gustav &amp; Hannah might also have their hands out by tomorrow.  Then what about Louisiana, etc.  Katrina victims are still suffering.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then, there&#039;s the monthly bill for that &quot;successful&quot; war!  I&#039;ll stop here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whew!  Financial Deep Breaths!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Obama-Biden &#039;08!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rikyrah:  First:  <b>HEAD BOW</b>    As somebody remarked yesterday, one option is to print more money!  :&gt;)   NOT!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-texas-needs-40b-from-feds-for-ike-cleanup.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex.." rel="nofollow">http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex..</a>.<br /><b>Officials:  Texas Needs $40B From Feds For Ike Cleanup</b></p>
<p><i> (Newser) – Texas officials told Congress today they might need up to $40 billion in aid to rebuild the state&#39;s hurricane-hit areas, the Houston Chronicle reports. The state&#39;s lieutenant governor sought at least $11.5 billion of aid and as many trailer homes as available to help the 770 communities damaged by Hurricane Ike. Houston&#39;s mayor requested an immediate $2.5 billion injection to help his metropolis.</p>
<p>SKIP</p>
<p>Texas Sen. John Cornyn said he will urge “parity” between help for Ike victims and the current Wall Street bailout.</i></p>
<p>Can anyone miss how the &#8220;hatin&#39;&#8221; on the Wall Street debacle is really playing out!  Do you think that other states hit by Gustav &#038; Hannah might also have their hands out by tomorrow.  Then what about Louisiana, etc.  Katrina victims are still suffering.</p>
<p>Then, there&#39;s the monthly bill for that &#8220;successful&#8221; war!  I&#39;ll stop here.</p>
<p>Whew!  Financial Deep Breaths!!</p>
<p><b>Obama-Biden &#39;08!</b></p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/09/tuesday-open-thread-13/comment-page-9/#comment-160183</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>msmartin,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is getting really ugly.  They&#039;re saying Obama &amp; McCain need to leave the campaign and return to Washington...but O cannot afford to leave the campaign trail when the race is this close...and we know McCain won&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fineman said the outgoing administration is writing the script for the next president.   I know Barack is pissed off about this &#039;cause he was jabbing his finger into the podium during his press conference.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dems sound more and more like the want to cave just to make this go away...&lt;br&gt;Barney Frank was trying to reassure Schuster they&#039;ll know the values AFTER the transactions.   What&#039;s the benefit of knowing AFTER the transaction is completed???   Yeah, some talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, they cave.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve said before, Barack needs to cut out the boy scout nonsense and be a son of a bitch...that&#039;s what it will take to deal with these people...NOT &quot;consensus building&quot;...when their only consensus is their own survival.&lt;br&gt;I say no deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>msmartin,</p>
<p>This is getting really ugly.  They&#39;re saying Obama &#038; McCain need to leave the campaign and return to Washington&#8230;but O cannot afford to leave the campaign trail when the race is this close&#8230;and we know McCain won&#39;t.</p>
<p>Fineman said the outgoing administration is writing the script for the next president.   I know Barack is pissed off about this &#39;cause he was jabbing his finger into the podium during his press conference.</p>
<p>Dems sound more and more like the want to cave just to make this go away&#8230;<br />Barney Frank was trying to reassure Schuster they&#39;ll know the values AFTER the transactions.   What&#39;s the benefit of knowing AFTER the transaction is completed???   Yeah, some talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, they cave.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve said before, Barack needs to cut out the boy scout nonsense and be a son of a bitch&#8230;that&#39;s what it will take to deal with these people&#8230;NOT &#8220;consensus building&#8221;&#8230;when their only consensus is their own survival.<br />I say no deal.</p>
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