Jack & Jill Politics

rikyrah: First: HEAD BOW As somebody remarked yesterday, one option is to print more money! :>) NOT!

http://www.newser.com/story/38200/officials-tex...
Officials: Texas Needs $40B From Feds For Ike Cleanup


(Newser) – Texas officials told Congress today they might need up to $40 billion in aid to rebuild the state's hurricane-hit areas, the Houston Chronicle reports. The state's lieutenant governor sought at least $11.5 billion of aid and as many trailer homes as available to help the 770 communities damaged by Hurricane Ike. Houston's mayor requested an immediate $2.5 billion injection to help his metropolis.

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Texas Sen. John Cornyn said he will urge “parity” between help for Ike victims and the current Wall Street bailout.

Can anyone miss how the "hatin'" on the Wall Street debacle is really playing out! Do you think that other states hit by Gustav & Hannah might also have their hands out by tomorrow. Then what about Louisiana, etc. Katrina victims are still suffering.

Then, there's the monthly bill for that "successful" war! I'll stop here.

Whew! Financial Deep Breaths!!


Obama-Biden '08!

GreenLady,

I believe they need it. I am quite disturbed by the lack of news about the Ike victims. Something went down there that we weren't told about.

rikyrah: I went too fast. YES! ALL THE VICTIMS NEED HELP! And we should have had the money to help them, IFFF we didn't have to do this - - - - - 1. Bailout 2. War

1. My point was that we are ALL upset about this "bailout" 'cause the "fat cats" are walking away with the "Benjamins"! And errybody else is left to remain in their miserable state! And they don't care, as long as they get their "Golden Parachute"!

So here's how you make them [consider] caring: Point out to them that their GREED has caused this crisis! IFFF we didn't have to use our money to stabilize their greedy corporations, THEN there would be some money ta do what the feds are suppose to do for the people [by the people and of the people.]

2. Then to SHRUB: IFFF your EGO didn't get us into this war, THEN there would be money to take care of our people instead of "democratizing" a country who didn't want us there in the first place. Additionally, they are sitting on billions and they won't give us 1 penny for re-payment.
And U 2 will walk away with your Bemjamins!

I'll try to slow it down so that I'm clearer. Thanks for responding so that I can make my corrections. :>)

Obama-Biden '08!

Somebody got to Bill Clinton.

Or all the criticism cracked that ego.

His appearance on the Daily Show is much more pro-Obama.

rikyrah: IMHO this is an example of a "chess move".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-markarian...
Humane Society Legislative Fund Endorses Obama-Biden

One of the guiding principles of the Humane Society Legislative Fund is that we evaluate candidates based on a single criterion: where they stand on animal protection policies. We don't make decisions based on party affiliation, or any other social issue, or even how many pets they have. We care about their views and actions on the major policy debates relating to animal welfare.

While we've endorsed hundreds of congressional candidates for election, both Democrats and Republicans, we've never before endorsed a presidential candidate. We have members on the left, in the center, and on the right, and we knew it could be controversial to choose either party's candidate for the top office in the nation. But in an era of sweeping presidential power, we must weigh in on this most important political race in the country. Standing on the sidelines is no longer an option for us.

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I'm proud to announce today that the HSLF board of directors--which is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans--has voted unanimously to endorse Barack Obama for President. The Obama-Biden ticket is the better choice on animal protection, and we urge all voters who care about the humane treatment of animals, no matter what their party affiliation, to vote for them.

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The McCain campaign did not fill out the HSLF presidential questionnaire, and has also not issued any public statements on animal welfare issues. He was silent during the downed animal scandal and beef recall, which played out during a high-point in the primary fight. Yet he did speak at the NRA convention earlier this year, and is the keynote speaker this weekend in Columbus, Ohio, at the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance rally--an extremist organization that defends the trophy hunting of threatened polar bears and captive shooting of tame animals inside fenced pens.

BOO-YAH!!

The choice for animals is especially clear now that Palin is in the mix. If Palin is put in a position to succeed McCain, it could mean rolling back decades of progress on animal issues.

I just had ta throw in that BOO-YAH =CHECK! This is why I like to use the "chess game model" for Mr. Obama. These endorsements don't come easy. And look how many animal/pet owners are in the population! Soo, WHITE, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, etc. all y'all - look whose concerned about animal humane issues!

GOTV!! VOTE Obama-Biden '08!!

A Note to Bill Clinton
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/a-n...

We see your rage, Bill, it's too huge to hide. We see that -- as Chris Rock so brilliantly pointed out -- it pains you to even speak Obama's name. We see you petulantly rooting against him even as you go through the motions of doing the barest minimum on his behalf to avoid being blamed if he loses.

You're not fooling anyone, Bill. You've gotten so caught up in yesterday that you've stopped thinking about tomorrow. You have the power to influence millions of voters and you're spitefully sitting on it. Surely you've noticed what's going on in the country. Surely you're aware of what's at stake on November 4th. This is not a game that you can afford to take your ball and go home with if you don't get to play the position you want. An Obama loss will most certainly be part of your legacy.

There's still time to fix it. How about this for an October surprise? Bill Clinton gets on the road and spends every day until the election sincerely and wholeheartedly communicating the urgency of electing Obama. You're the greatest politician of your generation, Bill. Surely you can fake enthusiasm for a month.

Oh, and stop talking about how much you like Senator McCain. Have you forgotten the vile joke he told a decade ago at your wife's and daughter's expense? Let me remind you: "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? She's the child of Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton." Are you saying, Bill, that you can forgive McCain for calling Chelsea "ugly" but you can't forgive Obama for defeating Hillary?

If Obama loses a close election -- one in which even one state where you could have made a difference goes for McCain because you sat home and pouted -- it will be on you. We will remember that you couldn't be bothered to rise above your petty resentments for something as trivial as saving your country from the enemies of everything you profess to believe in. We forgave you for Monica, Bill, but we won't forgive you for this.

rikyrah: Actually, "McAncient" needs to read this and Cindy betta help him watch his back.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/23/pa...
Mean Girl
Sarah Palin has a way of using "old boys" -- then dumping them when they become inconvenient.

Sept. 23, 2008 | WASILLA, Alaska -- Before Sarah Palin decided to run for the Wasilla mayor's office in 1996 against incumbent John Stein, the Palins and Steins were friends. John Stein had helped launch Palin's political career, mentoring the hockey mom during her 1994 run for City Council, along with veteran council member Nick Carney. Stein's wife, Karen Marie, went to aerobics classes with Palin.

But when she announced her candidacy for Stein's seat, vowing to overturn the city's "old boy" establishment, a different Sarah Palin emerged. "Things got very ugly," recalled Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins. "Sarah became very mean-spirited."

The Wasilla mayor's seat is nonpartisan, and Mayor Stein, a former city planner who had held the post for nine years, ran a businesslike campaign that stressed his experience and competency. But Palin ignited the traditionally low-key race with scorching social issues, injecting "God, guns and abortion into the race -- things that had nothing to do with being mayor of a small town," according to Tigner.

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Despite Palin's reform reputation, she has maintained a delicate relationship with Stevens over the years -- courting his endorsement for governor, then distancing herself after his 2007 federal indictment on corruption charges, and then cozying up again when it appeared he might survive politically. As for Allen -- the former oil roughneck whose North Slope wealth has greased many a palm in Alaska -- Palin found nothing wrong with his money when she ran for lieutenant governor in 2002.

Again, I noticed that Miss "Whatever" Cindy started hangin' with "McAncient" as soon as their nominations were made! She knew what the "hap" was! :>)

Black widow spiders do something similar!

Obama-Biden '08!

rikyrah: This comes under the heading - No They Di-Ent:


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13789...
House GOP Rises Up Against Cheney

There was a time when Dick Cheney could turn back a Republican revolt on Capitol Hill.

That time is gone.

The vice president traveled to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to silence a chorus of GOP complaints about Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s $700 billion plan. But House Republicans who walked into a closed-door meeting with Cheney steaming over the plan walked out just as angry, and they described what happened in between as both “a bloodbath” and “an unmitigated disaster.”

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Conservatives present also grilled the assembled White House officials about what alternatives the administration considered before coming up with this plan.

Hill Republicans have circulated their own alternatives. Most deal with long-term issues — tax reform, regulatory overhauls or comprehensive energy proposals — that lack the immediate impact Treasury seeks.

Is this where we say that the wheels are falling off the wagon?

Obama-Biden '08!

rikyrah: Mudflats is making "The Gov.'s" issues VERY CLEARLY DEFINED:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/palin-...
Palin Investigation vs Palin Investigation. The Basics

You may be hearing about how Sarah Palin has decided to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation. Most people who haven’t been following the ins and outs of this whole sordid affair, may think that this is a good thing. They may think she’s had a change of heart. They may have heard something about another investigation, but believe it to be ‘partisan’ and a Democratic witch hunt. Well, it’s time to leave the witch hunting to the pastor who prayed her into the governor’s mansion, and explain exactly what’ s going on with these two, very different, investigations. Here are the basics:

Investigation #1: The Alaska State Legislature/The Legislative Council

Investigation #2: The Personnel Board

The bottom line:

Bipartisan, unanimously endorsed, Palin-sanctioned investigation by the Alaska State Legislature

vs.

Republican, 3-member board, governor appointed, working directly for Palin, McCain sanctioned investigation.

You make the call.

I've left the rest of the explanations for you reading pleasure.

Mudflats promises more! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!

Another good one...

DON'T TAKE THE BAIT: How to Lose an Election in 10 Easy Steps Hotlist
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/8591/39...

I felt this...very very strongly
America, you are being conned. It's a shakedown.

Updated. Emergency? White House admits to planning bailout for MONTHS.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/124453/...

[White House Deputy Press Secretary Tony] Fratto said it would be "unthinkable" for Congress not to pass legislation this week, asserting the result would be a "very, very serious situation" for the U.S. economy.

......

Fratto insisted that the plan was not slapped together and had been drawn up as a contingency over previous months and weeks by administration officials. He acknowledged lawmakers were getting only days to peruse it, but he said this should be enough. </bockquote>

You better believe it was drawn up over the past few months; right around February when it was clear that Obama would beat Hillary and people really want change and were fed up with the killing, lying, stealing Republican party.

These mofos would kill one of their own children to keep Obama from becoming their president - trust.

msmartin,

This is getting really ugly. They're saying Obama & McCain need to leave the campaign and return to Washington...but O cannot afford to leave the campaign trail when the race is this close...and we know McCain won't.

Fineman said the outgoing administration is writing the script for the next president. I know Barack is pissed off about this 'cause he was jabbing his finger into the podium during his press conference.

Dems sound more and more like the want to cave just to make this go away...
Barney Frank was trying to reassure Schuster they'll know the values AFTER the transactions. What's the benefit of knowing AFTER the transaction is completed??? Yeah, some talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, they cave.

I've said before, Barack needs to cut out the boy scout nonsense and be a son of a bitch...that's what it will take to deal with these people...NOT "consensus building"...when their only consensus is their own survival.
I say no deal.

Good diary....

Ben Stein almost lets out the Big Secret
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/23/133...

Somebody, somewhere, is blackmailing the economy. Because somebody, somewhere, is owed these TRILLIONS of dollars. And it is THEY who are holding a gun to the economy and demanding payment, and all of Wall Street, and even the Fed, cannot pay this debt.

So WHO is this Tony Soprano-like world figure? Who are these people? Why are we not identifying them, and talking to them, and negotiating with THEM, whoever they are, to keep from bankrupting the American economy in their favor?

Somebody, somewhere, is blackmailing the entire United States economy. Somebody, somewhere, has a gun to our head. And to the head of the American government.

I want to know who they are. I want them identified.

Who are they? And why are we willing to bankrupt the entire country in order to pay them off?

Somebody, somewhere, has way more power than they should have. Who?

Israelis for Obama

This video is amazing.

Israelis standing up for Obama

rikyrah: "Whycome" Election Bureaucrats" gotta have "attitude" when answering a simple question? :>)

Here's a citation:
electioneering (uncountable)

1. Campaigning for elective office on behalf of oneself or another candidate.

Electioneering near a polling place is illegal in the United States.

I received a telephone call: "Electioneering is illegal. Period! [Complete with attitude! :>)] I asked: What if I don't take off my badge? She said -"Then they can bar you from voting." I'm going to raise this question again when I go for my POLL WORKER TRAINING in OCTOBER.

I've seen the other posts: Badges, T-shirts, hats, etc. - verboten!

So errybody get out your rulers and measure 100 feet! :>)


In the meantime . . . .

Obama-Biden '08!

I have said the bankruptcy laws must change to protect the homeowner. The Republicans are saying no. Read here:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aOe8kh4ZJmmE&refer=home

Call your Congressman and Senator now

The voting record of Republicans speaks volumes to what the party in general thinks of underprivileged people (whether it be race, gender, class, socioeconomic status, etc.). Which is why it baffles me how these Wal-mart Moms, Nascar dads, and every other word they want to come up with for po' white folk feel like McCain is on their side and has their best interest at heart

They used simple manipulation and have been doing it forever. They use the wal-mart moms and nascar dads to do the dirty work, the power of the GOP will never get their hands dirty.

Schumer's Bailout Proposal Divides Economists, Interests Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/schume...

Why not, the Senator asked, appropriate a portion of the money now -- say, $150 billion -- reassess where the markets are in a few months, and decide then whether more is needed?

"Could you live with less?" Schumer asked.

"I think that would be grave mistake," Paulson responded. "This is about market confidence and the tools to do the job."

Despite Paulson's dire words, Schumer's suggestion immediately became one of the main topics of conversation among the economic and political chatting classes. Indeed, later in the day, Sen. Barack Obama suggested that he supported the financial prudence behind Schumer's idea and thought it was worth exploring.

This whole "bailout" is becoming sloppier and sloppier. It sounds like a loose loose situation and I really feel for those who are at retirement age or are already retired and what they worked so hard for is getting depleted by the damn day.

ROCK IT TIME

Names for the bailout: Securitized Hybrid Investment Trust Bailout Plan

:courtesy The Big Picture:http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/09/securitized-hyb.html#comments
Feel free to add your own tht

non political
For the spiritual folk in here, I got this beautiful video in my email and was the best 20 minutes of my day. It is entitled "Grateful." Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=droKKpcth9s

Bernanke and Paulson: Here's Why We're Screwing You
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/henry-blodget/ber...

The main justification for the plan is that taxpayers are already screwed because banks have stopped lending money. The big difference between this bailout and the ones that have come before, meanwhile, is that the banks aren't yet on death's door. Thus, in Paulson and Bernanke's opinion, these banks must be persuaded to participate in the bailout--by making it a boon to them and a liability for taxpayers.

What Paulson and Bernanke are trying to do, in other words, is fast-forward the economic-crisis movie a couple of months: Instead of waiting until the banks realize that they are hosed and come begging for help, we'll just solve all their problems now. The trouble with this plan is twofold:

Paulson and Bernanke are really playing "Chicken Little--the sky is falling" with this bailout. I want to know exactly who is next to fail----if they can ask taxpayers for a bailout, then we need full disclosure off how deep these so-called banks and firms are in the hole--who IS next in line. We need this information printed up in every local paper, on the internet, all over TV.

Even with the other previous bailouts, we as citizens still don't know what the bank's losses were---why did they need a bailout on the backs of average Americans. This is ludricrous.

I mean, regular citizens have to disclose all of their debts before a bankruptcy proceeding, and yet not one bank of firm has had to offer up their accounting books for the American people to see. I haven't even heard the media discuss true dollar amounts---and yet we are supposed to pay back for shady business practices, while they lived lavishly and are laughing at us because they know they will get away with it.

This is EXACTLY what Jim Cramer and a journalist from WaPo was saying on Hardball!

rikyrah; Back from a "Field Trip" -Anchorage Daily News

http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/stevens/st...
Potential Stevens Jurors Screened For Biases

WASHINGTON - A federal judge began today to shape the jury that will decide whether Sen. Ted Stevens is guilty of lying about gifts on his annual Senate disclosure forms.
Jury selection is set to finish Wednesday morning, but by the end of the day Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan had identified about 30 potential jurors. He asked 46 people whether they felt they could be impartial in a case about a public official and whether they knew any of the people who could testify as witnesses in the corruption case. He also asked many people if they thought they could be fair in deciding their verdict even if the defendant - Stevens - does not testify.

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ust two potential jurors mentioned Stevens' home state when the judge asked them about their responses to one of the sole open-ended questions on the juror questionnaire: What comes to mind when you think of Alaska?

"Alaska is cold," said one potential juror, who was later released for unrelated reasons. None of the jury candidates was identified by name in court.

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By the end of Tuesday, the potential jurors in the pool of 30 or so included an estimated 13 black women, four lawyers, several lobbyists and numerous IT professionals and federal government employees.

O.K. Alaska is cold! :>) 13 Black women. This is fascinating given that the Black population = ~4.4%

I'm interested to see the "witnesses." Might "The Gov." be one?

Obama-Biden '08!

P.S. Biden is re-thinking his opinion of Mr. Obama's ad, according to MSNBC,

JJP...Suze Orman is on Oprah and she is breaking this financial situation down very well. If you get the chance watch it!

There's trouble brewing....

CEO murdered by mob of sacked Indian workers
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asi...

Corporate India is in shock after a mob of sacked workers bludgeoned to death the chief executive who had dismissed them from a factory in a suburb of Delhi.

Lalit Kishore Choudhary, 47, the head of the Indian operations of Graziano Transmissioni, an Italian-headquartered manufacturer of car parts, died of severe head wounds on Monday afternoon after being attacked by scores of laid-off employees, police said.

The incident, in Greater Noida, just outside the Indian capital, followed a long-running dispute between the factory's management and workers who had demanded better pay and permanent contracts.

It is understood that Mr Choudhary, who was married with one son, had called a meeting with more than 100 former employees - who had been dismissed following an earlier outbreak of violence at the plant - to discuss a possible reinstatement deal.

A police spokesman said: "Only a few people were called inside. About 150 people were waiting outside when they heard someone from inside shout for help. They rushed in and the two sides clashed. The company staff were heavily outnumbered."

Other executives said they were lucky to escape with their lives. "I just locked my room's door from inside and prayed they would not break in. See, my hands are trembling even three hours later," an Italian consultant, Forettii Gatii, told a local newspaper.

McCain's transition(ROTGLOL) team is headed by a man whom lobbied for Freddie Mac:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070...

rikyra/Y'ALL: I'm believin' that there is a "Stump The Voter Reg. Office - Game" goin' on. Oh, I'm so going to keep calling until I get an answer to "Can a VOTER [NOT poll worker] wear a BADGE of a CANDIDATE into the voting booth?" "What WILL HAPPEN TO THE voter IF HE/SHE DOES not remove the BADGE?"

Annnd: The ANSWER is to be IN WRITING, complete with BACKGROUND precedents. Annnd: I would like an example from CASE LAW!

LAWD HaMercy - Watching "Perry Mason", CSI, ALL the JUDGE shows [love Judge Joe Brown/Greg Matthis] has been helpful! Hey, maybe I'll contact Attorney Michael Baisden.

Hey....wait a minute.........back up......

Fratto (White House Deputy Press Sec) insisted that the plan was not slapped together and had been drawn up as a contingency over previous months and weeks by administration officials. He acknowledged lawmakers were getting only days to peruse it, but he said this should be enough.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/28599-1.html?type=...

I'm so paranoid I really need to be fitted for a tinfoil hat. That said, I hope they put us in the same camp.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrov...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/...

I don't think Cheney will ever voluntarily give up power but so far, no coups is good noups.

rikyrah: Iranian President Ahmadinejad is speaking at the UN and putting the US "ON BLAST!!" over the WAR IN IRAQ!! There were No WMDs and SOME COUNTRY is STILL occupying IRAQ! And the Security Council is DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT!

Gotta get the You Tube when available.

What does John McBush's books have to do with our economic situation? On Friday morning, I believe, McBush was in WI, ostensibly, giving a speech on the economy. Somewhere in this speech, he gratuitously, mentioned that his books, co-authored with Mark Salter was available on amazondotcom. I mean, our financial system was on the verge of collapse, and he's advertising his books? What's up with this prick? Should anyone take him seriously?

T.

Sign of the times?

CEO murdered by mob of sacked workers

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ADVISE EVERYONE YOU KNOW THAT THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT
GO TO THE POLLS WEARING ANY OBAMA SHIRTS, PINS OR HATS, IT IS AGAINST THE
LAW AND WILL BE GROUNDS TO HAVE THE POLLING OFFICIALS TO TURN YOU AWAY.

THAT IS CONSIDERED CAMPAIGNING AND NO ONE CAN CAMPAIGN WITHIN X AMOUNT OF
FEET TO THE POLLS. THEY ARE BANKING ON US BEING EXCITED AND NOT BEING AWARE
OF THIS LONG STANDING LAW THAT YOU CAN BET WILL BE ENFORCED THIS
YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY ARE BANKING THAT IF ARE TURNED AWAY YOU WILL NOT GO HOME AND CHANGE
YOUR CLOTHES.. PLEASE JUST DON'T WEAR OBAMA GEAR OF ANY SORTS TO THE POLLS!!
PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION, OH AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE ALREADY
AWARE THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENCE. JUST TRYING TO COVER
ALL GROUNDS.





GOD FIRST, PEOPLE ALWAYS

Please pass on

I know that the workers at the polls can't wear campaign gear but I don't think that applies to the voters. Everyone should check with the voter registration office in your area to get the correct nformation.

NO ONE shall dissuade me from voting because I will wear another top under my Obama shirt just in case there are Repug operatives in the voter registration office!

Obama/Biden '08

This is what I found on New Jersey (NJ Voters Rights Handbook, Page 6):

"There can be no Electioneering (consisting of signs, buttons, literature, etc.,) within the area 100 feet from the outside entrance to the polling place--up to and including the polling room".

evelyn: Just checked with the Registrar of Voters Office - CA.

They CONFIRMED! NO BADGES, T-SHIRTS, HATS, etc. NO WAY! NO HOW!!

Thank you for this REMINDER! :>)

But in the meantime - - -


OBAMA-BIDEN '08!

Thanks GreenLady...I'm in CA as well so I guess I will put my gear on after I vote! :-)

Is that a rule for poll workers? I find it really hard to believe that a voter will be turned away for a 2 inch button or t shirt.

I need some proof that this is relevant for me in Brooklyn, NY! :)

Jackie Reid confirmed on the TomJoyner show this morning that this is applicable to every state - no pins, buttons, shirts, caps - no nothing that supports a candidate, mentions a candidate, looks like a candidate. Every state election code has a statute regarding this. I've actually heard this before though, back when Gore ran in 92.

Why take a chance?
I called the election commission in my little hamlet; the information is correct.

Yeah people hanging around and not there for the purpose of voting can't wear t shirts etc, but the voter is a different issue. I'm just wondering if they believe they have the RIGHT to turn someone away.

For me the issue is there will be a lot of first time voters who are really excited to vote. They might get all dolled up for the event... This cannot be a basis for denying them their constitutional right. Now I understand the issue of electioneering, but this is a freedom of speech issue I feel.

I'd really like to know... cuz I remember Hillary voters during the primaries wearing t-shirts on line waiting to vote. They didn't get kicked out.

can you site some evidence? This sounds a bit much. All I found was this in PA, which doesn't exactly support what you said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/2008...

evita: Just forgot that I couldn't EDIT my comment AFTER I got a response.

1. I've now spoken to 2 different Registrar of Voter Reps. 1 was very firm about the No badges, T-shirts, etc. The other said the same; but when I read her the California Election Code Sections 18370-18371 - I didn't see badges, hats, etc.
So now she's re-checking and will call me back.

I was VERY specific about the distinction between POLL WORKERS and other VOTERS!!

2. I worked the POLLS in Feb. 2008, and the badge, hat, rule was NOT mentioned except for US, the POLL Workers. That's why I called to get a "ruling". I thought that something had changed since then.

http://law.justia.com/california/codes/elec/183...
California Elections Code Sections 18370-18371

Waiting for that call. Then I'll report back.

I want to know if someone is wearing a t-shirt with McCain on it and is on line to vote, will they be asked to leave?

evita: The fact that the poster mentioned "Obama" gear is what stimulated my fact-finding mission. When I asked questions of the Registrar of Voters' Office, I made NO MENTION of a specific candidate. I spoke in generalities - stating CANDIDATE.

So, I'm waiting for that call. 'cause NOW things are looking a little disconcerting.

I'm glad you are looking for the answer! But ask the question in the way that indicates a voter shows up- will they be turned away?

evita: Did that. Now I have a call in to the LEGAL DEPT of the CA Secretary of State. I spoke to an "underling" :>) and he said that they can ask you to remove a badge, BUT they can't stop you from voting. Then I asked, what would happen IF I don't remove my badge --"well I don't know". I'll connect you to the LEGAL DEPT. SOO, I'm waiting for that call!

I will keep DIGGING until I get an ANSWER IN WRITING!

The question comes down to - "What is the definition of ELECTIONEERING?

Waiting. :>)

Obama-Biden '08!

Some Repuke will call him uppity.

When is Clinton going to realize that pissing off Jim Clyburn is NOT THE WAY TO GO?

rikyrah: Continuing to WATCH Mr. Obama! I know that this will be You Tubed!

It's one thing to give his plan. It's even MORE IMPORTANT that he CAN answer QUESTIONS from the press on this economic situation!! LORD - HE"S JUST DOIN' IT!!!

STANDING "O"!! :>)

Some of his remarks:

"Just Not a welfare program for corporate America." Must be bi-partisan. Taxpayers are NOT writing a "BLANK CHECK." No Golden Parachutes!

Then he just said - "Thank you guys!" When HE WANTED TOO!! :>) And left. politely! :>)

You mean...Obama is ACTUALLY ANSWERING QUESTIONS?!

Like, wow.

That is SO un-Sarah Palin-like.

Admiral: Watched "McAncient" answer 4-5 questions and then "bounced"!

And he "gaffed" and "flubbed" on some of his statements. :>) :>)

It was worth the watch! :>) :>)

rikyrah: Mr. Obama's on MSNBC -now! He's telling THEM HIS PLAN!! Yaaaa! :>)

OH SO PRESIDENTIAL!! :>) Looks soooo much BETTER than SHRUB!! :>)

Basically, Y'all better take care of TAXPAYERS NOT JUST Wall Street Executives! OOO-EEE!!

Somebody on the Obama campaign must talk to Joe Biden NOW. I cringed when I saw Couric's interview with Joe Biden last evening. The campaign staffers who are in charge of him should have showed him what Obama said about the "out of touch" ad to Cuomo on GMA 2 Mondays ago. But, for what it's worth, I don't think Joe is deliberately trying to undermine Obama. I just think that our opponent may have seen an opportunity to question Obama's "judgement" by using Joe. There argument will be - see folks, our gal may be dumb as a doorknob, but see that Joe Biden, for all his knowledge, he's a crazy old fart.

So, basically, Joe appears to be getting more coverage now because the opponent wants to take the heat off of themselves and onto Obama's "judgement". And, it's paying off, because everyone knows that while he is a fantastic governing choice, Joe can be notorious indisciplined. I mean, McBush, hit Joe this morning in Ohio on some comment that was made yesterday. The Obama campaign MUST ask Joe Biden to adhere to the message, and not allow himself to wander off into la-la land, just because he has a microphone stuck in his face.

And the assault on Obama's "judgement" is not only coming from our opponent, it is also coming from our own party. Whenever any high profile Democrat or surrogate or supporter publicly states that while they like Joe Biden they still believe that his Democratic rival would have been a better pick, they, indirectly, questions Obama's "judgement". So, when said Dem. rival speaks on behalf of Obama and stays on message, then people look at that and say, "hmmmm, yep, XX is definitely doing a better job than that Joe Biden, so why didn't he choose XX". All of a sudden, it looks like Obama was wrong in choosing him. Joe Biden must be made aware of how his off-message behavior affects his boss.

It is one thing when Biden takes the hit on the AIG thing, because it may have been good for Obama, but it is quite another when he completely goes off message and gets this nice, fuzzy feeling of generosity so much so that he feels compelled to compliment Obama's primary rival by saying XX would have been a better pick than him. Then Obama has to go clean up that mess. Crazy. Isn't there another way to compliment someone without going to all sorts of extremes?

In almost all of our opponents' speeches last week, Obama's "judgement" was called into question. One could argue that Joe Biden's ability to connect with some voters in swing states far outweighs the negative effect his off-message shenanigans may produce, but why take chances especially when it appears that he is being used as a bludgeon on Obama's "judgement".

Somebody needs to talk to Joe Biden. NOW!

T.

But you just outlined the strategy.

Hillary Rodham Nixon is making the rounds sounding all "presidential" on the economy (with big assists from her husband) while Biden is questioning Barack's judgment.

Coincidence?

I think not!

No Biden has always been loose lips sink ship. Sen Clinton is from NY and the bailout will save alot of jobs in NYC.

That is being used as a cover Rob. M. Why isn't Schumer out there? Isn't he the senior senator from NY?

T.

Sen Schumer sits on the Sen Banking committee. He has been on TV all day. Trust me if Hilliary is between him and a mike she is toast. It is no cover.

I am no fan of the Clintons. They are permanent residents on the 8th level of hell(Dante's inferno; that level is reserved for traitors and is the lowest level.

Biden has loose lips. Think about what he said about Obama during the primaries. His upside is his foreign policy experience.

While I agree that someone needs to talk to him but I think the Dems in the blogs overreacting to this gaffe fan the flames.

Listen, Biden has been hamming it up since he's been out there on the road. Everyone knows it but we were not particularly concerned. Let Joe be Joe, we said. 'Cause when he's on, he connects. But when his off-message antics is now being used to go after Obama, then something needs to be said. All we are saying is that Joe should rein himself in a bit. Better now than later.

T.

Co-sign

T: Co-signing!

rikyrah: I'm ging to try to post a part of an e-mail that I just received. If it doesn't work, i.e. 2 big, I'll delete it. Ya know me -Ms Tech-Challenged! :>)

This is a real and true document.

[NOTE: The document DID NOT COPY! SORRY! It was a "slave sale advertisement from the 1800's."]


None of us has had to experience the pain of separation or live with the disgrace and humiliation that comes with not being free. When you cast your vote for who will run our country, never forget your history and keep this bill of sale in mind. When we allow ourselves to forget our not so distant past, then we are destined to repeat these actions in our future. Stand for those who came before us and those who could not stand up for themselves. VOTE!

I encourage you to share this with everyone you know.

SORRY that I couldn't copy the "bill of sale". :>(

Obama-Biden '08!

If you haven't formulated your own questions about this bailout try these fro the big Picture:http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/09/10-questions-fo.html#comments
1. You two gentlemen have been wrong about the Housing crisis, missed the leverage problem, and understated the derivative issue. Recall the overuse of the word "Contained." Indeed, you two have been wrong about nearly everything financially related since this crisis began years ago.


Question: Why should we trust your judgment on the largest bailout in American history?

2. How are you pricing the purchase of these damaged assets? Is the taxpayer paying 22 cents on the dollar? 5.5 cents? If there is no market price for this junk paper, how are you going to determine a purchase price?


3. Are you now, or have you ever been a short seller? Do you think short selling ban is a smart move? What does this mean to our concept of free trading markets?

4. In the nationalization of AIG, the US taxpayer received 80% of the company. What is the taxpayer getting for their money in this $700B bailout?

5. You have said that "The Housing correction is the root cause of market stability." What about leverage -- how significant was that as a root cause?

6. Your initial estimates for the cost of this were $700 billion dollars. Yet you also asked for a blank check, an unlimited ability to spend more "as needed." What is your worst case scenario for the total costs of this bailout?

7. The original version of this bailout package requested no judicial, administrative, or budgetary review of the spending of this bailout, What was the thought process behind that extraordinary, extra-constitutional request?


8. In 2004, your former firm, Goldman Sachs, along with 4 other brokers, received a waiver of the net capitalization rules, allowing these firms to dramatically exceed the 12-to-1 leverage rules. How much was this waiver responsible for the current situation?

9. Its just cost the taxpayer $50 billion to bail out money market funds, which are clearly non-insured, risk instruments. Why did we do that?

10. The Securities and Exchange Commission has been AWOL during much of the problems we now face. What do you think is the proper role for the SEC in terms of supervising or regulating securities markets? Doesn't your plan usurp SEC authority and move it to the Treasury?


11. How significant are derivatives and credit default swaps to the current crisis? Why weren't they regulated the way other insurance products are?

12. The current proposal has the US bailing out foreign banks. Has the USA become the insurer of the worlds financial assets?

13. What other financial firms and funds are likely to need a bailout in the near future? Are there other banks, brokers, insures that are at risk?

14. If we make this inordinate grant of unlimited cash, how can we rein in the budget in the future? How can we as a Congress say no to expensive budget items such as Nationalized Health Care, or Infrastructure repair programs or fill in the blank on the grounds they are "too expensive?"

Bonus comedy question: Are you now, or have you ever been, a Socialist? Do you know, or associate, with other Socialists?

Rob M: Good analysis!! Thanks. :>)

Obama-Biden '08!

#7 is a red herring. I suspect it was thrown in to anchor the negotiation so far to Hank's favor that we end up squabbling over details, not principles.

Rob, what SHOULD Congress/Treasury/Fed be doing right now?

No recourse to legal action is not a red herrring; think Patriot Act. This is an invitation to go to GITMO. One way ticket only.
Without recourse to the legal system whomever runs the instituition doing the bailout can price on a favorable unfavorable basis without any standards.

They are going to craft a bailout. The bailout should be done in a manner whereby we, the taxpayers, get equity for the money. Think of a stock offering. The only financial institutions whom can give up equity are US based institutions only. Only mortgage related paper can be used. No student loans, credit card debt, et al that has been securitized(turned into a bond).

There must be a change in the bankruptcy laws so mortgage holders can refinance their mortgages. Both sides will take a loss. But it will stabilize housing prices.

Whomever sits in oversite it can be none of the current poltical appointees except the FED Chairman. Bernake only stays because the political appointees currently involve will be leaving no matter whom becomes President. This will be the most contentious part as no one wants the blame if it doesn't work

A lesson for John McCain on Illinois politics
Another day another lie by McCain.John McCain has no honor and is unfit to be President.
By Mark Karlin, Editor and Publisher
September 23rd
Chicago, Illinois
Due to a personal phone call from Barack Obama, the Illinois Senate joined the Illinois House in overriding the current governor's veto of an ethics bill that goes a long way toward ending "pay to play" politics in the Land of Lincoln.

Without Obama's directive to outgoing Senate State President Emil Jones, the bill was likely to die. But as a result of Obama's intervention, on Monday, September 22, it was overriden by 55-0.

So, Obama is accomplishing, in deed, a lot more than the addle-brained McCain who is running on a platform of hypocrisy, with his key response to any criticism appearing to be that he was a prisoner of war nearly 50 years ago.

Since BuzzFlash is located in Illinois and has met most of the key players in the Democratic circles here, we have a pretty good perspective on things.

BuzzFlash even produced a video on why Obama wanted to leave Springfield: a combination of ambition, ability, and a desire to get away from a lot of the corruption that characterizes most state legislatures.

Contrary to yesterday's latest sleazy ad by the McCain campaign -- this one on Obama's alleged connections to the "corrupt" Chicago "machine" -- Obama is a Boy Scout compared to John "Keating Five and K Street Lobbyist Run" McCain.

You have to know the nuances of Illinois politics to understand that Obama has had very little to do with Governor Blagojevich, who McCain's sleaze ball campaign tries to link him to. In fact, the best way to characterize Blagojevich is that no one likes him very much, including the vast majority of Democrats in the legislature. Indeed, last week Blagojevich publicly criticized Obama for stepping in to get the state ethics bill passed, something Obama didn't need to do as a national candidate.

Moreover, Blagojevich -- who can best be described as engaging in bizarre and inscrutable politics --even dissed Obama's candidacy: With his comments, Blagojevich once again moved to buck Obama's favorite-son presidential campaign. This month, Blagojevich told WGN-AM radio that Democrats should not criticize the experience of McCain's running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, because "governors make decisions" while legislators like Obama "debate and they pass their bills back and forth."

Meanwhile, Bill Daley, the Mayor's brother and former co-chair of Al Gore's 2000 campaign, is livid that the McCain campaign implied that he is corrupt. He is quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times as indignantly noting: "A year and a half ago, he [McCain] called me the greatest U.S. commerce secretary ever, at a conference being held at Deer Valley," Daley said. "I certainly thought he was being extreme, but he even voted for my confirmation as U.S. commerce secretary when he was chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee."

Of course, there's Tony Rezko, but we've been down that path before and there's no there, there. He raised money for Obama, but there is no hint of any illegalities and no remote prospect of any investigation by the U.S. Attorney's office regarding Rezko and Obama.

As for Emil Jones, who is retiring this session, it is really the Assistant Democratic Majority Leader in the Senate and Senior Illinois Senator Dick Durbin who has mentored and promoted Obama as he decided to run for the presidency. As a state senator, Obama represented the independent Hyde Park area and voted accordingly. It's somewhat similar to representing Madison, Wisconsin, if you know about progressive politics. A "machine" candidate (and there's not much left of the machine in Chicago in terms of elections) couldn't win in Hyde Park!

Is Illinois Democratic politics currently divided into fiefdoms in Illinois? The answer to that is yes. But that makes for dysfunction for which Obama bears no responsibility.

We happen to have a Dem governor who acts like a second grader and is several levels above his Peter Principle; a majority leader of the state house who won't talk with the governor; a retiring state senate president who generally sided with the infantile Gov; and Mayor Daley who runs his own show in Chicago (and despite a rash of corruption in some of his departments a couple of years ago has turned Chicago into a world class city and has high ratings both in Chicago and the suburbs).

Obama has always set himself apart from the regular Democratic Party, but worked with them -- as he did with Republicans -- when necessary.

When he needed to, he leaned on leaders to do the right thing. That's why Illinois now has an ethics bill.

Some people talk trash like John McCain; and some people get things done like Barack Obama.

If you want a garbage man who throws trash against the wall to see if it will stick, elect McCain; if you want change that gets accomplished, Obama is your candidate.
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/120

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080923/pl_po...

Journalists threaten to boycott Princess Palin's appearance at the UN conference unless they're granted more access to her.

Town, I got a post up on the Princess' refusal to see the very people covering up her shyt.

Town: Oh if they would be so brave as to NOT TAKE 1 picture and NOT write one story! Wishful thinking! :>)


Obama-Biden '08!

Hope everyone is watching the Senate Banking Committee hearings. Sen Bunning R from Kentucky just called out Paulson on his running Goldman Sachs(he ran it from 99 to mid 2006). He then asked him about his relationship w/ regulators given he claims to have come to WASHINGTON and in his best Capt Renault(Claude Raines) imitation was shocked to find their was no regulation.

I'll bet dollars to donuts Paulson only wanted to hear from the regulatory guys is when Goldie got caught doing something wrong.

it is becoming clear no money if taxpayers do not get oversight, exec pay restrictions-distraction; watch you get this but no skin in the game, protection for mortgage owners and skin in the game, i.e. equity stakes.

Will there be a transcript available?

Barack Obama attacks McCain in Michigan with foreign car ad:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/obama-...

Hardball.

Well yeah we filed bankruptcy, but that doesn't mean we don't get our bonuses!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news...

Up to 10,000 staff at the New York office of the bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers will share a bonus pool set aside for them that is worth $2.5bn (£1.4bn), Barclays Bank, which is buying the business, confirmed last night.


The revelation sparked fury among the workers' former colleagues, Lehman's 5,000 staff based in London, who currently have no idea how long they will go on receiving even their basic salaries, let alone any bonus payments. It also prompted a renewed backlash over the compensation culture in global finance, with critics claiming that many bankers receive pay and rewards that bore no relation to the job they had done.

A spokesman for Barclays said the $2.5bn bonus pool in New York had been set aside before Lehman Brothers filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy in the United States a week ago. Barclays has agreed that the fund should continue to be ring-fenced now it has taken control of Lehman's US business, a deal agreed by American bankruptcy courts over the weekend.

Rikyrah,

Still think Biden has Obama's back? You know I was right there with you in supporting Biden as Obama's VP pick, but he's proving to be more trouble than he's worth. As the "I can't believe he said some stupid shit like that" gaffes build up, I can't get that image of him and Hillary leaving the Senate chamber together the day before a debate and then him acting as wing man for Hillary at the following night's debate out of my head.

Is he simple not capable of being more deliberate and thoughtful about the things that come out of his mouth or is there more? It's more than clear that Bill Clinton is trying to undermine Obama. Let me cock my tin foil hat to the side and ask, should we start casting the same suspicion on Joe Biden as well?

NMP,

Anymore slipups, and I'll have to cock the eyebrow. But, Biden's always had foot-in-mouth disease. It was one of the criticisms of him.

So, I've given all the slack I will.

You know me...once the slack is given, next time will mean the tinfoil hat.

The only person in this campaign season who has ever had Obama's back is Michelle. Everyone else is out for themselves.

I can't get that image of him and Hillary leaving the Senate chamber together the day before a debate and then him acting as wing man for Hillary at the following night's debate out of my head.

::

I never saw that image. Damn.

I've been hoping they would boycott any coverage of Palin....

Networks Revolt Against Reporter-Blocking Palin UN Meeting
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/networ...

PPP Poll of Colorado out this morning

Obama 51
McCain 44

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Rele...

Networks Revolt After McCain Blocks Reporters From Palin's UN Meetings
Good for them. Do not give this fraud anymore coverage till she starts answering some real questions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/networ...

rikyrah: CNN is JUST NOW reporting on the "RAPE KITS ISSUE IN WASILLA!"
JJP [and others] have BEEN THERE!!!

The reporter said that MSM is all a-buzz! They are going to give "their" take on it after all these ads!!

Conclusions from their "staff meeting": We RUN what we know and we let people draw their OWN conclusions. But it did report the fact that Alaska has the HIGHEST incidences of crimes against women. Oh. There was ,virtually, NO evidence that "The Gov." knew about the charges. But there was a lot of protesting in Alaska around this issue.

Obama-Biden '08!

Joe Klein:

September 22, 2008 4:53
Schmidt Jumps the Shark
Posted by Joe Klein | Comments (104) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This
Ben Smith fact-checks the McCain campaign's ridiculous conference call assault on the press. But it should be remembered that Steve Schmidt is doing this for two (nefarious) reasons:

1. he's hoping to work the refs: if he complains enough about press bias, we mainstream sorts will cower, cringe and try to seek false equivalences between the two campaigns.

2. the more time we spend covering this nonsense, the less we'll spend on the real issues in this campaign.

Sorry, Steve. Not buying.

So, now we're starting to see the picture Repubs are trying to paint...Obama can't institute the programs he's proposing. Dems, Obama and America is being squeezed by the Repubs and this "bailout" plan.

Obama: Bailout Likely To Delay Health Care, Education And Other Spending Programs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/obama-...

On Today show with Matt Lauer, Senator Obama didn't say 'can't'...He said they will have to be phased in, and not only that, he also said that it is unclear what the effect(on his planned expenditures) would be right now given that we do not yet know how much of the requested 700 billion will eventually be needed and then how much of that will find it's way back into the system...and I'm paraphrasing here.

T.

This week's Op-Ed piece by Dr. Ron Walters...

http://www.washingtoninformer.com/wi/index.php?...

If Bill Clinton wants to tall voters that they shouldn't have to say bad things about the people they don't want to vote for, then he's a hypocrite and a lying fool.

He needs to check himself, his wife, and call out the Republican nominee he calls a "great man."

The Clinton's are not working for Obama. They're campaigning for themselves.

Yes.

"The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765...

That's an opinion piece. Come with some reportage or shut up.

You can kinda tell where the McCain campaign is going next by the things trolls start posting.

They've been gone for a few days...then suddenly they reappear.

Exactly.

They tip their hand and then wonder why they keep getting outsmarted.

Fools.

TruthSeeker: I've noticed that 2. Do they have a "regular cycle" -period? :>)


Obama-Biden '08!

Here are some links for your viewing pleasure:

McCain the Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/...
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John McCain Still Living the Keating Five Lush Highlife

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/15/jo...
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PostModern McCain: the Presidential Candidate Some Arizonans Know and Loathe

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-08-07/news/...

Ya wanna talk about associations, let's talk about McCain's association with the LAST financial meltdown. Seems like every time there's a financial meltdown in this country McCain and his friends are somehow behind it.

Minor point of contention: four of the Keating Five were Dems. Not to mention that McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing.

I see you got your Repub talking points for the day.. I've seen very similar comments around the net this morning.

Ayers is the next story they push.

D,

So was Obama cleared with Rezko, but you don't wanna here that, do you D? It must be torture not to have anything on Obama, isn't it?

It really doesn't concern me, one way or the other. The question I posed below was from the standpoint of strategy.

But, for the record... I don't care about Obama/Rezko. That connection seems tenuous at best.

Obama/Ayers is a concern for me, just cause of my view of terrorism in general. Is it a make or break issue? No. I wasn't going to vote for Obama before I knew who Ayers was.

Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes.Do you support G Gordan Liddy who committed his crimes in service to Nixon what about Ollie North.Instead of concerning yourself with what Obama did with Ayers on School reform I would think a true blue American patriot such as yourself would be up in arms over Gov Palin and her lack of credentials to be V.P. I always thought it was country first with people like you but I guess since she can see Russia she is qualified.

Did you see when I said that Obama/Ayers wasn't make or break for me?

I meant "hear"! My bad!

I know, I know..... :)

Cleared of wrongdoing is kind of stretching it---he was more or less given a rebuke that was too generous for what occurred

From the LA times--
Among McCain's earliest benefactors in Arizona was Lincoln Savings and Loan chief Charles Keating Jr., who filled McCain's campaign coffers with more than $100,000 and hosted the McCains multiple times at his vacation home in the Bahamas.

Keating expected his largesse to be rewarded, and when federal regulators began looking into Lincoln's questionable lending practices and investments in the late 1980s, he turned to five senators whose coffers he had lined — Alan Cranston of California, Donald Riegle of Michigan, John Glenn of Ohio and both Arizona senators, Dennis DeConcini and McCain.

McCain attended two meetings with regulators at Keating's request. McCain's view was that he was seeking information on behalf of a constituent who was an important employer in his state. The regulators' view was that they were being pressured to act favorably for Keating.

Lincoln's collapse, the biggest of many savings and loan failures, cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Keating spent four years in jail, before his sentence was overturned on a technicality, and the Keating 5, as the senators came to be known, lived under an ethical cloud for years.

During the investigation, McCain revealed he and his wife, Cindy, had not reimbursed Keating for thousands of dollars in flights on his company jet to the Bahamas. The McCains blamed each other, reported McCain biographer Robert Timberg, causing the first rift in their marriage.

Then, The Arizona Republic published a report about an investment that Cindy McCain had made with her father in a shopping-mall project owned by a Keating company.

In 1991, McCain, along with his four Democratic colleagues, was found guilty by the Senate Ethics Committee of using "poor judgment" for attending the meetings with regulators on Keating's behalf.

Obama was cleared of wrongdoing with Rezko but that doesn't stop the GOP from bringing Rezko up, does it?

True.

But-as a matter of strategy-is it beneficial to keep throwing out "Keating Five" when most of the people who were implicated-and mostly all the ones who were sanctioned for wrongdoing-are from your own party?

None of the others want to be President of the United States.

It's not rocket science.

To my knowledge, none of the Democrats involved with Keating 5 are still in office. Only John McCain, and he is employing in his campaign many of the shady sideshow characters of Keating 5 like Phil Gramm.

I dunno, it seems to me that it's "ok" to expose Obama's associations but we BET NOT expose McCain's?

Nope, they're all gone except for McCain.

This one just seems like it has the potential to backfire. Which was the only reason I brought it up (though lesser people will accuse me of throwing around talking points).

Besides, who really cared about the Keating Five before McCain was the nominee? The people who really remember it know how it ended, and everyone else just gets either the liberal or conservative spin on it. Granted, it has its relevance due to the current economic crisis, but again, McCain was exonerated.

I guess I just don't see the benefit in bringing it up.

It seems George W. Bush cared enough during the 2000 Presidential campaign because he and his ilk brought it up.

I read that John McCain has always used his misgivings and wrongdoings and turned them around into "triumphs" by playing "victim--I didn't know any better--I was wrong, but now I seek redemption."

The same way they framed Cindy McCain's drug use and illegal activity as "I overcame my a painful addiction--People can relate to my struggle, etc.etc.:----And all the while they were trying to derail the investigation while accusing the whistleblower of exhortion.

If we can hear day in and day out about his P.O.W. experience, then it is only fair that we discuss his latter involvement in a banking scandal that cost taxpayers billions, which quite frankly, he and the others got off quite easily.

I guess you could ask "Who cares about Rezko?"

Seriously, when Ayers blew up the Capitol, that was over 35 years ago. I doubt seriously Hannity & Co. would have cared about Ayers had Obama not run for president. If Obama loses and goes back to Illinois never to be heard from again, you'll not hear another word ever again about Ayers.

Plus Ayers was a white guy, and white people don't take white terrorism as seriously as they do when the terrorists have brown or black faces. Real talk.

Keating 5 was 20 years ago but financial institutions melted down then as they are melting down now and the same dude and his buddies seem to be lurking around if not intimately involved with both situations.

You could, and you'd be justified in asking.

Of course no one would care. And I'm certain that some real digging had to be done to make that connection.

It is when a so-called straight talking maverick was caught in a scandal...and is now running for President as a so-called reformer.

Yawn

OT...walmart is at it ....again. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121755649066303...
s_news

That's from August 1

Sorry, Wingnuts: McCain's Campaign Manager Pushed For Boost In Minority Homeownership
By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld - September 22, 2008, 5:08PM

An emerging meme on the right, one that's being championed by the likes of Neil Cavuto and others, is that the mortgage crisis happened not because of deregulation, but because brokers were pressured into making loans to "minorities and risky folks," as Cavuto tastefully put it.

But guess who actively sought to boost minority homeownership? John McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...

Admiral: Ya know, when I read/heard that financial institutions were going to "relax lending practices in order to allow more minorities to purchase housing", I was elated! A few people in my church were able to do this! They looked/were so happy that they were able to provide a "bedroom" for each child!

Did I have any idea about what these "relaxed lending practices" looked like? NO!
Now, a few of them are in FORECLOSURE. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief; but I've learned[at least something] about WHAT HAPPENED. The effect on the children - hmmmmm!

Thanks RICK DAVIS, "McAncient", Shrub, et al!!

I've got some voter registration to work on today!


Obama-Biden '08!

I think I'm getting whiplash from all the conflicting comments coming from McCain and his flunkies. Then again, maybe their plan is to confuse the electorate into submission.

MsKitty: . . confuse the electorate into submission

LOL!! LOL! I still have the "Confused & Dazed" video in my bookmark! Lest I forget! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!

Chris schools the Clintons on letterman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsep_xcWOQ8
Another blogger has something called a mental health break. JJP needs their own version. Rock it anyone

Rob, Rob, Rob...

Thanks for this. I couldn't stop laughing. Chris was the second guest on Letterman last night. Hope whoever needs to get this message finally gets it - She lost. The End.

T.

Rob M: My favorites: Why is Vick in jail? But they let a white woman shoot a moose!

LOL! Thanks for the laugh! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!

Wow, Chris was a bit...excited. Why does he look like Tyler from Willie Lester & Tyler? LOL!

How do you edit posts?

Thanks.

T.

T.,

When you write a post, you should see "edit" under it.

Yes and once someone replies to your message, you cannot go back and edit.

Thanks guys.

T.

Friend of a friend has been shooting these -- they're really good, hope you can help spread the word:

http://mypresidentpalin.com/

..elite means the best..

lol

Yeah that one was my favorite. The girl's pretty cute

There is no such thing as freedom on speech for children's clothing in a school setting. They are there to learn not to spew their parent's offensive opinions or intimidate other students- which is what invoking this idea of Obama and terrorism communicates.

Ask yourself: would you be okay a kid wore a shirt that said, "Palin is the captain of the whore squad?" It is demeaning to women and not appropriate attire for school. We find that once challenged to explain the concept on the t-shirt, children are incapable of explaining their positions. Everyone has the right to be ignorant, but their clothing cannot impede the school's mission to end ignorance and promote learning.

Conservative wackos don't see how the correlation between the notion of Islam and terrorism is inaccurate, stereotypical, and Islamaphobic. They need to end the t-shirt propaganda and pick up a book...

Well, apparently the kid made the shirt himself (the Fox link that I was trying to post had a picture of it; he wrote the phrase on there). Course, we'll never know whether it's what he actually believes, what his parents told him, or if it's just shock value.

It's only not appropriate for the school IF it causes a distraction. That's the administrator's/teacher's call. We know that if this was a high school or a college campus, the kid would've gotten the hell beat out of him. At the fifth grade level.....I don't know how big a distraction it is, and if it warrants suspension.

Your last paragraph.....we'll agree to somewhat disagree there.

D: No video for support, BUT, you should have SEEN the DISTRACTION/DISRUPTION [to the educational mission] that occurred at an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL when a 3rd grade student wore a T-shirt that had the wording "RAVERS SUCK"!

His father - a First Amendment rights attorney - "argued" that the T-shirt was NOT a distraction. Guess he just ignored that crowd of, about 200 -300 hundred parents/guardians that were picketing outside of the school for weeks!!

Oh! And the student WAS suspended on the THIRD day [after 2 days of WARNING] for DEFIANCE OF AUTHORITY!

P.S. I was a Central Office administrator and District spokesperson to the press in this matter. Eventually, the father moved his son to a private school.

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Ravers? As in the party?

Okay, yeah....after the third day, kick him out.

I read the article, D. I still believe that an 11 year old hardly has the capacity to have his own fully developed opinion. At that developmental age he's trying to be accepted and perhaps be "just like dad."

The article didn't mention what the school precedence is for offensive t shirts. Whether we believe it is a distraction or not, a child in a school MUST follow the rules of the school. If not, the only recourse a school has is suspension (especially if there is a precedence.) Suspension would require the parents to come pick him up, detention not so much. If you are given the option to change your clothing to participate in the school day and you chose not to, you accept the consequences. Seems fair to me.

I guess if I was a teacher, I'd see it more a a teaching point than a cause for suspension. Course, if the kid then got the crap beat out of him after my teaching point, the parents would probably want to sue me.

So I'll revert to my common phrase: not smart on the kid's part. And the parenting here is-at a minimum-questionable.

I agree with you on capitalizing on the teachable moment. One is the limitations of the idea of freedom of speech. Another is how to build community in pluralistic society, and of course the importance of guidelines in a school setting. Many conversations and opportunity to learn hampered when one relies solely on this notion of free speech. The secondary question should also be, how can you express yourself without being offensive about differences in people and opinions in our community?

The kid in the article is being trained to be an internet troll. (lol)

evita/D: During the SUSPENSION PROCESS, a CONFERENCE is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT. Since the FATHER was in attendance, [so was I], HE was given some righteous "teaching", despite his attorney-filled PROTESTATION!

Sadly, He didn't get it [or want to get it], but his son WISELY said - DAD. I understand them!!

He tried to invoke the 5th for his son!! I had to keep from laughing!

D: I am CALM. :>)

Evita: Co-signing, again!! :>)

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Maybe he'll run into our descendants in some future JJP post.

evita: Please see my response to D. YOUR statements MATCH the situation that I experienced. . . and perhaps be "just like dad."

Actually, that was "dad's" wish! :>)

Co-signing with you! :>)

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Ya know....years from now when he's finally caught as the "Rocky Mountain Serial Killer".....his 5th grade teacher will be asked "did you see any signs?"

LOL, though it may not take years.

Just askin'. Is there a 3rd person in this presidential race? A Democrat? And, is this Democrat out there advocating for Senator Obama and the party, or is this Democrat taking advantage of the current economic crisis to advance their own self-interest and standing?

And, what of this Democrat's life partner - on the View yesterday, on Letterman last night? What about their supporter, the Governor of Pennsylvania on the Today show on Monday? Can you explain their tepid support for their party's nominee?

Do these people have the Senator's best interest at heart?

What say you?

T.

i say FUCK 'EM! he doesn't need them to win... he never has! and the thing about it is that they KNOW IT. this thing is waaay bigger than those three racist, petty spoiled sports.

Word.
If they come sniffing around after Obama is elected President, I hope he asks them, "And exactly WHAT have you done for me lately?

Admiral: I couldn't resist. :>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z0h_c9eH-8
Janet Jackson -What Have You Done For Me Lately

ENJOY! :>)


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Used to be a time when you would campaign hard

U used to brag about it all the time

Your peeps seem to think you're peachy keen

My peeps say revenge is on your mind

Who's right?

What have you done for me lately?

LOL!

Sorry. I'll post it again.

Surrogate?

It's all about Bill and if he can't have it, nobody else will either. IMO he didn't want Hillary to get the nomination and he definitely doesn't want Obama to win. It's not even about Hillary getting the nomination in 2012; I don't think Bill wants her to get it even then. Bill is salty that somebody beat HIM.

You're right about that. He did some bizarre things during the primary that really did Hillary no favors.

Then everybody says he's doing it because he's "defending" his wife. I don't think it's Hillary he's defending...it's himself - his own ego.

Hell yeah, Bill is pissed & he is not getting over it anytime soon.

F%%% him!

a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/>Here's more from Politico - Not acting like a surrogate.

I hope everybody is watching the Senate Banking committee hearings live on TV. Sen Shelby(REPUBLICAN) gave Sen Obama's speech in his opening remarks. I will post when transcript is available. Hopefully this will clear up why I am angry w/ Obama.

I am looking for analysis I can trust about the financial meltdown and what we should do about it. It could be that there are no good answers, only least-worst ones.

It's also pretty clear that the battle line here is not just between D & R, but Congress and President, and President always has an advantage at the negotiating table. Paulson came out with a ludicrous, hard position. He "anchored" the negotiation so far biased towards his position, by demanding completely indefensible things like no oversight, that instead of debating the merits of the plan, Congress is nibbling around the edges.

Is immediate and drastic action necessary to stop a global fiscal crisis? Probably.

No matter what happens, will a lot of ordinary people lose their homes? Probably.

Are many of the people on Wall Street going to walk away with millions, enriched by a combination of sharp dealing and malfeasance? Probably.

Can we craft a perfect solution that restores the innocent and punishes the wicked? Unfortunately, I don't think so.

I have one point of solace in this debacle: if we elect Obama, there will be *SOME* justice in the system when he revises the tax code so that even though we'll all be bailing out the financial industry, the fat cats will be doing their share of the bailing. Yes, some "innocent" rich people will be chipping in, too. But I don't think doing a witch hunt to find individuals responsible for this mess is going to succeed, nor move us forward. The best I'm hoping for is a start-over on the game in which the rich pay a fair share, bankruptcy for individuals is restored as an option, and predatory lending is clamped down on.

06:58 | 23/09/2008
Chuck Todd
NBC Today Show

The NBC/Mason-Dixon Battleground poll of Florida released this morning shows Obama with a slight lead:

Obama: 47
McCain 45

From The Chicago Tribune (the Republican Paper):

Originally posted: September 22, 2008

Guilty by association
Read the Chicago Tribune's editorial on a new John McCain campaign ad that focuses on Chicago corruption.

Guilty by association

The Chicago evoked in John McCain’s latest campaign ad is shrouded in ethical clouds and federal investigations and peopled by shady characters with labels like patron, lobbyist, felon, godfather and (shudder) mayor’s brother. In less than 30 seconds, the spot —titled "Chicago Machine" —paints the image of a city that runs on nepotism, cronyism and corruption.
Chicago is guilty as charged.

Fair enough. What isn’t fair is that McCain, the Republican nominee for president, is trying to apply all of the above to his Democratic rival, Barack Obama.

"Born of the corrupt Chicago political machine," the ad begins. In a lame attempt at guilt by association, it then ticks off a list of Chicago pols whose ties to Obama supposedly bring into question his qualifications for president.

There’s his "money man," Tony Rezko, convicted of federal corruption charges in June.

His political mentor, Illinois Senate President Emil Jones, who has stacked the state payroll with relatives and served as a one-man roadblock on ethics legislation for more than a year.

His economic adviser, William Daley, brother of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley.

And Gov. Rod Blagojevich ("a legacy of state and federal investigations").

"With friends like that, Obama is not ready to lead," the ad concludes.

Aside from an ill-advised relationship with Rezko, there’s little here that reflects negatively on Obama. As a former U.S. Commerce Secretary, William Daley is an excellent go-to guy on economic matters, though the McCain ad conveniently omits that qualification in favor of the label "lobbyist." And if Jones or Blagojevich were capable of pulling Obama’s strings, you wouldn’t have known it last week, when Obama publicly pressed Jones to stop standing in the way of an ethics reform bill that Blagojevich was trying to kill.

Jones obeyed Obama—and on Monday the Illinois Senate voted 55-0 to turn that ethics bill into law.

Obama deserved the heat for dealing with Rezko, a friend and fund-raiser who was convicted of money laundering, aiding and abetting bribery and mail and wire fraud. Obama has acknowledged that the relationship was fraught with potential conflicts of interest, and that lapse in judgment has dogged his campaign.

But the suggestion that Obama is a politician in the classic Chicago mold is way off base. He wasn’t a machine candidate in his bid for the Illinois Senate in 1996, and he won the 2004 nomination for the U.S. Senate seat in a heavily contested primary without Daley’s support. Though he now enjoys the support of establishment Democrats, Obama is a man governed by his conscience, not by his associations.

Obama wasn’t "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine," and that makes his rise all the more remarkable. But the McCain camp is betting voters know less about Obama than they think they know about Chicago, which can usually be summed up in three words: Dead people vote.

Chicago, regrettably, deserves that rap. Obama does not.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/vox_pop/200...

I interviewed the AKIP Chairman about Sarah Palin. The AKIP(Alaskan Independence Party) is radical secessionist political party with ties to the Palins. They had some interesting things to say about Sarah Palin, the USA and death threats.

Read it here

http://www.newsone.com/elections/article/akip-i...

Quinnipiac:

COLORADO: Obama 49 (44) – McCain 45 (46)
MICHIGAN: Obama 48 (46) - McCain 44 (42)
MINNESOTA: Obama 47 (46) - McCain 45 (44)
WISCONSIN: Obama 49 (50) - McCain 42 (39)

Polls taken 9/14-9/21 (without European-bias:)
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/...

The economy us top issue in all states and Obama "wins" this issue in all of these states expect MN where it is tied:
The economy:
CO: Obama 47 McCain 41
MI: Obama 50 McCain 38
MN: Obama 45 McCain 45
WI: Obama 47 McCain 40

NBC/Mason-Dixon

FLORIDA: Obama 47 - McCain 45

Trust to handle the economy: Obama 49, McCain 44
Trust to handle the economy (undecided voters): Obama 28, McCain 22
Among Cubans/Hispanics: McCain 49, Obama 43
Among seniors (65+): McCain 48, Obama 44


There's a PPP Colorado poll out today. Will post when I see it

Team Obama goes there

After McCain's campaign director Steve Schmidt accused the New York Times as a partisan rag, Team Obama responds in a clear strong manner. They mentioned John McCain and the Keating 5 scandal. Has anyone in the MSM mentioned McCain and the Keating scandal in any major story this campaign season?

Here was their response to Steve Schmidt::

# of probing stories the NY Times has written over the course of the campaign about Barack Obama, his life, his religion, his childhood, his politics, his time in the state senate, his time in the U.S. Senate, his family, his religion, his friends, his fundraising and all other manner of associations: more than 40

# of stories the NY Times has written over the course of the campaign about the last major financial regulatory crisis, resulting in a huge bailout, and which John McCain was centrally involved in with his political godfather Charles Keating: 0

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/john...

WTF is Biden's problem?!?! Biden says ad mocking McCain is 'terrible'

Sepia: When I saw and read this, I couldn't believe my eyes! So I decided to leave it alone. But, I thank you for putting it on the "table" for discussion.

Joe does "LACK FILTERS!" [Town: Co-sign!]

I'm sure he had ta sit in the "BAD CHAIR" for this one! :>) OTOH, Mr. Obama said that one criterion for his VP selection was that the VP would, essentially, NOT be a "yes man." [Course, he's not suppose to go to the "other side", either.]

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He went further and said that if he had known about it it wouldn't have been aired. Really - so does he think he's in charge of the Obama campaign?

That was sobering. Obama can't trust anybody.

Joe was wrong, but the ad was the weakest of the Obama bunch. We knew Joe had a tendency to run on the mouth.

I thought the ad was funny but it should have been left on the cutting room floor b/c it brought Obama down to McCain's level.

Biden was wrong to state this in public, but Obama knew from the get-go that Biden has foot in mouth disease and lacks the tact filter. And he said he did not want a yes-man groupie as VP, he wanted someone who would disagree with him and tell him when he's wrong. I don't think this is a case of Biden thinking he's running thangs like Ms. Sarah thinks SHE's running things over on the other side.

Town: Co-signing!

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Troy Davis, a black man convicted of killing a white cop in Georgia in 1991 with the flimsiest of evidence (no weapon found, no DNA connecting him to the crime, and 9 witnesses, 7 of whom have recanted their initial statements and one witness whom most of the others point to as the real murderer), is scheduled to be killed by lethal injection tonight at 7 p.m. unless the Supreme Court or the Governor intervenes, which is unlikely.
This case has garnered world attention. Protests have been held on Troy's behalf in Germany and France. Even the Pope has prayed for Troy's clemency. I have followed the recent protests and I have a statement from Troy himself at my blog daddyBstrong.blogspot.com. I also list Troy's website and people you can write to to urge clemency or a new hearing for Troy Davis.

rikyrah: This came from Mudflats! They've had in increase in "visitors" 2. :>)

Also, noticing quite a bit of trolling lately. Some borderline, and some outright horrible. Generally, the best way to deal with a troll is not to feed it (i.e., don’t get sucked into the conversation) Healthy discourse is one thing, but inflammatory or insulting speech, or controversial topics raised just to annoy and provoke a reaction is another. The political points of view on this blog are obvious, so if you disagree, play nice and you can stay. Otherwise, “Don’t make me stop this car! blog!”

Just like JJP! :>)

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But I must admit, after a tough day at work, sometimes its hard to ignore some more ignorance. Ya just gotta speak on it!

Nickwah22: True dat! :>)

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rikyrah: Interesting. She did go for his jugular!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/frank-...
Frank Rich: Joy Behar "The New Edward R. Morrow", Following McCain Interview

You know the press is impotent at unmasking this truthiness when the hardest-hitting interrogation McCain has yet faced on television came on "The View." Barbara Walters and Joy Behar called him on several falsehoods, including his endlessly repeated fantasy that Palin opposed earmarks for Alaska. Behar used the word "lies" to his face. The McCains are so used to deference from "the filter" that Cindy McCain later complained that "The View" picked "our bones clean." In our news culture, Behar, a stand-up comic by profession, looms as the new Edward R. Murrow.

Network news, with its dwindling handful of investigative reporters, has barely mentioned, let alone advanced, major new print revelations about Cindy McCain's drug-addiction history (in The Washington Post) and the rampant cronyism and secrecy in Palin's governance of Alaska (in last Sunday's New York Times).

She's becoming quite the vocal "surrogate!" :>)

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Joy Behar is easily my favorite from all of them. She is sharp, critical, and aware of issues related to prejudice and discrimination. To date she is the only one that has ever discussed the issue of white skin advantage/ privilege. Related to this stuff, she knows WAY more than Whoopi and Sherri's dumb ass.

evita: Co-sign!

sherri is an embarrassment to her race and gender. good lord---were the pickings THAT slim for barbara & co.??? damn!

caligirl: Seeee! :>) Co-sign!

rikyrah: From HuffPost: I started to ignore this, but there were many interesting points that have already been made on JJP. So, even though I don't understand all the symbolism, others will. :>)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/the-ba...
The Battle Plan II: Sarah "Evita" Palin, The Muse of the Coming Police State

Please understand what you are looking at when you look at Sarah "Evita" Palin. You are looking at the designated muse of the coming American police state.

You have to understand how things work in a closing society in order to understand "Palin Power." A gang or cabal seizes power, usually with an affable, weak figurehead at the fore. Then they will hold elections -- but they will make sure that the election will be corrupted and that the next affable, weak figurehead is entirely in their control. Remember, Russia has Presidents; Russia holds elections. Dictators and gangs of thugs all over the world hold elections. It means nothing. When a cabal has seized power you can have elections and even presidents, but you have freedom.

I realized early on with horror what I was seeing in Governor Palin: the continuation of the Rove-Cheney cabal, but this time without restraints. I heard her echo Bush 2000 soundbites ("the heart of America is on display") and realized Bush's speechwriters were writing her -- not McCain's -- speeches. I heard her tell George Bush's lies -- not McCain's -- to the American people, linking 9/11 to Iraq. I heard her make fun of Barack Obama for wanting to prevent the torture of prisoners -- this is Rove-Cheney's enthusiastic S and M, not McCain's, who, though he shamefully colluded in the 2006 Military Tribunals Act, is also a former prisoner of war and wrote an eloquent Newsweek piece in 2005 opposing torture. I saw that she was even styled by the same skillful stylist (neutral lipstick, matte makeup, dark colors) who turned Katharine Harris from a mall rat into a stateswoman and who styles all the women in the Bush orbit --but who does not bother to style Cindy McCain.

What's the plan? It is this. McCain doesn't matter.

[Lengthy article.]

The "PALIN as PUPPET" meme is clear!:>)

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Palin knows she's a puppet and she's willing to go along with it because being "vice president" or "president" would be the ultimate pageant prize.

Unless McCain agrees to be a puppet president for Bush & Co., this is the last year of his life. Palin's already on board with becoming the president. All they have to do is slip him something at Bethesda Naval Center and nobody would suspect anything because he's already old and has already had bouts of poor health.

McCain hasn't mattered in a long time. You know you have no respect when someone can come in and override who you want as VP and take control of your campaign while you stand there twiddling your thumbs and nervously playing with your wedding ring.

rikyrah: They jes watchin' "McAncient"! :>)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/mccain...
McCain Gaffes Have Undercut Campaign Message

In recent days, John McCain has made a series of verbal gaffes that have undercut his campaign claim that he is the candidate who is ready to safeguard the nation's struggling economy, some political analysts believe.

The verbal stumbles may have wider ramifications for the GOP presidential pick by reminding voters of earlier flubs and calling into question other aspects of his candidacy, including his foreign policy experience, analysts told ABCNews.com.

Seeee, IMHO, "those earlier flubs", have been going on since DAY 1.

It's just that some/many people had their racist blinders on!! Which is kind for saying that they had their "heads up their anal orifices"! [I'm a biologist! I can say this! :>)]

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But, see, this shouldn't be coming up NOW. They covered for his ass for MONTHS.

rikyrah: Yep. And still are!!

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Ive hear several people in the MSM describe McCain's actions in the last week or two as "flailing around."

I DON'T WANT NO DAMN PRESIDENT THAT FLAILS. If he is FLAILING why the HELL is he seriously being considered for this position?! If he can't even stick with the same position for ONE day (his FLIP FLOPPING yesterday, 9/22) then how the hell can he really be of sane and stable mind.

He needs to do a test to see if he is in the early stage of Alzheimer. They need to change the requirements to become President of this good ole USA. And a damn health assessment available to THE PEOPLE should be one of the new requirements. Seeing as though his daddy nor grandfather, God bless their souls, have lived as long as he, whats to say tomorrow is guaranteed? And I think that is a serious question that needs to be addressed by the McCain campaign.

Way off topic.

nickwah22: I've stated B4, that the "Health Reports" on candidates SHOULD contain BOTH physical and mental health assessments.

...privilege.

i feel you.

Don't dying fish flail around?

Town: LOL! LOL! :>)

rikyrah: From HuffPost:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/cnn-ca...
CNN Calls Out McCain LIE: Obama Does Have A Plan For Financial Crisis

John McCain keeps on outdoing himself with his lies. Now he's trying to make the totally false case that Barack Obama doesn't have a plan for the economic crisis. "Senator Obama," he says, "has still not offered any plan of any kind."

As CNN's Tom Foreman reports:

No plan from Obama? No way. To the contrary, Senator Obama has talked at length about reforming Wall Street, getting CEO pay packages under control, instituting new regulations to protect homeowners. In short, what everybody wants: stabilizing the economy.

Foreman also added that McCain has "been notably short on details on how he would handle this crisis."

I believe that many people have said that MSM has to join us in the "McAncient" "take down". Looks like there is some movement -FINALLY!

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Obama has been talking about this since LAST YEAR but the MSM was too busy focused on trivial bs to cover it.

I know. Craig Hickman posted Obama's speech from LAST YEAR. Like I said before, folks need to just use the frigging internet. He has plans and ideas for EVERYTHING nearly.

Yeah, well not really. That same guy also said McCain was "misleading" at the least after saying he was lying. Why is McCain always getting these routes for a bailout? McCain flat out said Obama has provided no solutions or clear plan for how to handle this crisis (I'm still waiting for John McCain's ECONOMIC PLAN because what I saw is in-ad-e-quate.)

There is no point in punching your opponent in the face during a boxing match, if you are going to throw off your gloves and toss him an ice pack right after.

And on that note, I am going to work (joy)

rikyrah: The blame non-game. This is for real!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/22...
CNN Poll: GOP Takes Brunt of Blame For Economy, Obama Gains

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll suggests that by a 2-to-1 margin, Americans blame Republicans over Democrats for the financial crisis that has swept across the country the past few weeks — one factor that may have contributed to an apparent increase in Barack Obama’s edge over John McCain in the race for the White House.

In the new survey, released Monday afternoon, 47 percent of registered voters questioned say Republicans are more responsible for the problems currently facing financial institutions and the stock market, with 24 percent saying Democrats are more responsible. One in five of those polled blame both parties equally, and 8 percent say neither party is to blame.

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that's because they and de-regulation ARE TO BLAME.

rikyrah: Just posting this 'cause it is a big headline "Dissing the Dude" - which I haven't done in 2 long!! :>) Hope it works! :>)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
McCain's Mangled Message

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rikyrah: This goes under the heading: Oh yes he Will go off!:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/george...
George Will Goes Off: McCain May Be Unfit For The Presidency

Conservative columnist George Will turned heads this weekend for savaging John McCain over his "un-presidential" reaction to the economic crisis. "McCain showed his personality this week," Will said, "and made some of us fearful."

Now Will has expanded on his comments in Tuesday's Washington Post with an op-ed titled, "McCain Loses His Head." The piece begins:

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

SKIP

But the most incendiary paragraph is the final one:

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

I wonder if he "rolled his head on his neck" and pointed his finger in a "No you di-ent" position?? :>)

Will better get his Deep Breaths goin' on, B4 he passes out! :>)

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When you lose George Will, what hope is there for a Republican?

rikyrah: Tru dat!

I will be watching Mr. Non-reviewable himself, Henry Paulson, author of "The Audacity Of Debt" proposal, like a hawk. Fixing a ridiculous situation with an even more ridiculous proposal is about as stupid as it gets. If all of these investment bank problems are surprises to the people who who run the banks, how do you even know if $700 billion is enough?

Because as bad as some of the loans were that I and my fellow loan officers made, every step of the mortgage process is, was, and always will be reviewable.

"Homeownership Philosophy Americans Believe In Deeply Flawed"

http://simplifythepositive.blogspot.com/2008/09...

Now I know why people throw stuff at their TV's

That Paulson wants complete and absolute control is FRIGHTENING!

Brown Man: I went "Field Trippin'" Very informative!! I'll use it to help my grown children! :>)

Thanks! U da Man! :>)

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rikyrah: Much homage to Ms. Harriet Tubman!

We'll never know who she "saved" for such a time as this!! God Bless!

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Amen GreenLady!

What a courageous woman! Many thanks to her strong determination!

Hey! :>) Justice58. :>)

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Hey right back!

We have to keep on marching! We're almost there!

And we're gonna get there too! Yay!