Jack & Jill Politics

rikyrah: This is a case where the HEADLINE is NOT SUPPORTED by I line in the article!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/post_1...
Palin 'Suspending' Her Campaign Too -But Going To Philly

NEW YORK — Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin defended her comment that the proximity of Russia to her home state of Alaska gives her foreign policy experience, explaining in a CBS interview aired Thursday that "we have trade missions back and forth."

Palin, the 44-year-old Alaska governor, has never visited Russia and had never traveled outside North America until last year. She also had never met a foreign leader until her trip this week to New York. In the interview, she did not offer any examples of being involved in any negotiations with Russia.

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Asked why she only obtained a passport last year, Palin said, "I'm not one of those who maybe came from a background of, you know, kids who perhaps graduate college and their parents give them a passport and give them a backpack and say go off and travel the world. No, I've worked all my life. In fact, I usually had two jobs all my life until I had kids. I was not a part of, I guess, that culture.

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"I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security for our nation. We can never again let them onto our soil," she said.

There was NOT ONE WORD about her suspension of her campaign!

Oh well! Moving right along!

1. trade missions back and forth. Well, surely this shows foreign policy skills! NOT!

2.Never traveled outside North America until last year. My parents never gave me a passport and a backpack and told me to go off and see the world.

From a Psychology 101 Course: It's the parents fault!


3. Letting people from Iraq and Afghanistan into our country.
EARTH to "The Gov." - Here's a fact - There are 90,000 Iraqs in the U.S. [on our soil]according to the 2000 Census. WHO let them in here!? :>) :>)

I'm telling you: RECEPTIVE PROCESSING - NOT HAPPENING!
[Among other things.]

Obama-Biden '08!!

Okay. I was just flipping channels and I saw a clip of Bill Clinton on the Larry King show the other night. The clip was on Fox, I think. But since I was flipping, I'm not sure if it was Fox or my local cable network station.

Anyway.

Clinton told Larry King that after the Jewish holidays he was going to campaign in Florida, PA, Ohio, and Nevada at a minimum. And then he said he was being sent to Florida to get the cracker vote.

I must have misheard that, right?

Did anyone watch Bill Clinton on Larry King the other night?

Did he actually say that shit?

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Damn. What did you delete?

I used your contact link to send an email.

I thought about the Jewish holiday comment as soon as I read Craig's post.

The Jewish holiday part didn't bother me, though I'm sure if Barack campaigns over the Jewish holidays...

But what's up with the "cracker vote."

He's making it seem as though Barack sent him to get the crackers, which would imply, of course, that that's what Barack said.

Don't forget, Lady de Asshole claimed that Obama was talking about the "rednecks" or whatever.

It didn't bother me either, the article just made me wonder if he might be Jewish and hiding that fact - why would he do that?

While I missed the "cracker vote" comment, I seriously believe he was attributing that to Obama. He probably tried to raise controversy over campaining during the Jewish holidays at the same time.

Here is the paulson/congressional deal:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/09/25/text-...

I do not know how the authority to purchase the mortgage paper is going to work. I staying pat at 65-35 it works. the primary reason is Paulson isn't getting all the cash up front. If financial firms want out they have to sell the paper to the fed at a price that looks likely to not be much better than the $.22 Merrill got when they unloaded. The warrants on the financial institutes forces them to be far more honest than they would care to be. The public is going to get more help w/ mortgages on Oct 1st from previous legislation. its only $300,000,000 but if you know anyone tell them to be first in line at their mortgage company.

rikyrah: WOW!! WaMu was SEIZED by the Feds. Some of their assets were SOLD to J P Chase-Morgan!

WOW!!

Obama-Biden '08!!

rikyrah: Sooo, I went "Field Trippin' " to Mudflats:

What is striking to me is the unanimous thinking that is going on in the comments. And there are a righteous number of comments posted!! So, I offer this one for the "comment read!" But the article is scathing enough 2!! :>)

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/palin-...
Palin And The Witch Hunter Chapter II

We have not seen the last of the witch hunter. We know Pastor Thomas Muthee was back in Wasilla this past weekend, and I posted a link previously of Sarah Palin recounting the time that Pastor Muthee had prayed over her, but now a video of the actual event has surfaced. Do not, I repeat do not watch this if you plan on sleeping any time soon. It’s a long clip, but here are the highlights:

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Oh boy. The suspension of Mcain’s campaign, the beyond devastating Couric interview, Return of the Witch Hunter and the takeover of every facet of society by God, and the (strangely credible these days) National Enquirer releasing a story about an affair with Todd’s business partner…all in 24 hours. Not a good day for the McCain-Palin campaign.

This Witch Hunter Pastor is really upsetting this group of bloggers, even though they are use to/aware of the Assembly Church. SADLY, "The Gov." is QUITE COMFORTABLE!!

Obama-Biden '08!!!

Barack campaign fighting libelous NRA ad in Pennsylvania
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Oba...

Does anybody have the vidoe of Obama's press conference that took place this afternoon?

We all know this McCain "suspension" is a political manuever in which he will proclaim to be in support of the bailout , but if and when to comes to vote, will flip-flop like he has consistently done.

On the same day (Tuesday) McCain McCain said he had not even read the bailout proposal, Newt Gingrich offered up his take that McCain should vote against this bailout. McCain is following a strategy Gingrich already laid out.


Gingrich urges vote against 'stupid' Paulson plan
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 09/23/08 01:47 PM [ET]
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said Tuesday that any lawmaker who votes for the Bush administration's $700 billion bailout package, which he called a “dead loser,” will face defeat in November.
Gingrich (R-Ga.) said he thinks Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is trying to scare lawmakers into passing the bailout plan quickly and without thorough study.


“I think what Paulson hopes to do is say, ‘If you don’t do exactly what I want you to do, the whole world’s going to collapse on Tuesday’,” Gingrich said.

The former Speaker, talking to reporters at a lunch, added that he expects Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) to back the plan. He predicted that, if Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) ends up opposing the administration proposal, there will be an overnight “emergence of a McCain/reform wing of the Republican Party.”

Gingrich said that occurrence would turn the election on its head, with Republicans running ads that feature Obama with President Bush on the same team in pushing for a “nightmare” bailout plan.

The former Speaker said that by November, the flaws in the plan will be apparent, and voters will “break against anyone who votes for it.”

Gingrich said he came out against Paulson's plan after looking at the absence of specifics and the focus the plan puts on giving such an enormous amount of money to the federal bureaucracy.

“I thought if [Russian Prime Minister Vladimir] Putin had written that, I’d understand it,” Gingrich said.

Gingrich predicted that, if the plan does not pass through Congress by Friday night, it will fail because the weekend will give Republican lawmakers and voters enough time to look at the plan that they will come to oppose it.

Michelle Bernard has fallen several rungs in my eyes.

She's been commentating from an alternative universe for weeks now.

And when is Bob Herbert going to stop talking about the Bradley Effect?

I too have been disappointed. I have no idea where her head is.

CraigHickman and Val:

Michelle Bernard is a republican, what can be expected. You have to take whatever she says with a grain of salt just like with Juan Williams.

She seems programmed right now.

As always Nate Silver has<a href= http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archiv... > insightful to say about what McCain is attempting to do about the debates. Here is the money quote:

Perhaps, however, rather than trying to postpone the debate, McCain is instead seeking to increase its importance. Surely the drama of the past 30 hours has made it an even more captivating event, probably leading to increased viewership. Moreover, with the subject matter likely to be expanded to include the economy, and the candidates having had less time to prepare, the entire exercise becomes less predictable, with gaffes more likely to occur, but also the potential for "clutch" performances.

Too much parsing.

McCain doesn't want to debate.

The House Republicans are trying to derail the "negotiated" Bailout...
The House Republicans are trying to throw the country into a depression.

My response...It's TIME TO THROW THOSE BASTARDS OUT!

There won't be a depression.

Have people here seen this yet?

Captain Deregulation strikes again, apparently.

McCain and some part (?) of the GOP says the solution is -- deregulation! Including 2-year suspension of the capital gains tax, according to Marc Ambinder.

McCain Sounding Out Support For Alternative Bills?

And here's the short Economic Principles pdf linked the Ambinder story links to.

Economic Principles pdf

The document includes this:

Instead of injecting taxpayer capital into the market to produce liquidity, private capital can be drawn into the market by removing regulatory and tax barriers that are currently blocking private capital formation. Too much private capital is sitting on the sidelines during this crisis.

Temporary tax relief provisions can help companies free up capital to maintain operations, create jobs, and lend to one another.

I hope you're not surprised.

McCain is a snake. He'll do anything to hold onto his base because he can't win if he pisses them off.

I am not at all surprised.

I'm glad to see this, actually.

This part of the fight is on, and it's visible.

This country needs to choose and I am in favor of the truths of the choice being as glaring and stark as possible.

McCain wants to hide from the people while backdoor-promoting breaks for the wealthy.

Senator Obama has real concern for those who are not wealthy, and he also wants to put himself in front of us for more scrutiny at this time.

I say, bring it on. Whatever it is, bring it on.

Make it visible, all of it.

Show the truths of the choice before us now, and let the people of this country make it, for real.

Yes.

They better not postpone the debate.

They better not postpone the election.

Here is CNN's Rick Sanchez on his "hard hitting" exposes on the Economic meltdown from 236.com. It's pretty funny!!

http://www.236.com/video/2008/cnns_rick_sanchez...

A little humor...

Colbert and Stewart recreate the New Yorker infamous cover of Barack and Michelle.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20228603,00.html

From the comments at Marc Ambinder:

This is all silly. Here's how it's gonna go down:

Obama will win all of Kerry's states and their 252 electoral votes. McCain can try for a Hail Mary in Michigan all he wants, it's not going to happen.

Obama will also win Iowa's 7 EVs, there's no question about it. Regionalism, pride in providing Obama his first victory and McCain's strong opposition to ethanol subsidies make this one a lock.

So he's got 259 electoral votes that are pretty safe, and 8 ways he could pass 270:

1. Winning Colorado and New Mexico
2. Winning Colorado and Nevada
3. Winning Indiana
4. Winning Ohio
5. Winning Florida
6. Winning Virginia
7. Winning Missouri
8. Winning North Carolina

He only has to do one of the above, and McCain has to successfully defend all of the above. He could lose Colorado OR New Mexico OR Nevada and still win, but not 2 of the 3.


Posted by TH | September 25, 2008 11:24 AM

rikyrah: Good get!! :>) Love the winning

Obama-Biden '08!!!

Pennsylvania: beware, the steal.

Florida: How's It Hangin' Chad?

I'm going back this weekend to talk with the people...

what's up w/ you and Pennsylvania? I know its called pennsyltucky. I watched as the Clinton's sold their racist BS across the state. I know Ed Rendell can't be trusted to do anybody right(ask Al Gore). But he leaves in another year and if Obama wins and not Pennsylvania he can't creep back to NYC where he came from or go to DC. He'll have to stay here and live off his state pension and his wife federal judge one where nobody African American likes him. Sen Casey will make sure no one in the middle state like him either.
So again what's w/ you and Pennsylvania.

The criminals have targeted it.

That's all I'll say until after the election.

rikyrah: Bring this from Black Pol. OTW:

http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/09/25/7-s...
7 Simple Fixes To The Financial Crisis

Obama-Biden '08!!

Hi GreenLady
Here is some good new for a change from the D!!!
Obama has a 13 point Michigan lead over McCain.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...

pinksun: Whooooo! Hoooo!! :>) Go Big D!!!

pinksun: Thanks for bringing this!!

FIRED UP! READY TO GO!!!

Obama-Biden '08!!!

So much for McCain suspending his campaign. I saw one of his ads today on TV!

I just saw the guilt by association ad as well as a few McCain comm. advisors on attack. The Bulls*t Express rides again.

Sepia: This observation was made on MSNBC! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

Mr. I Need to Suspend My Campaign and Rush Back to Washington has not introduced a banking or housing bill this entire Congress...The Next President has introduced five.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/mccain-has-...

John McCain did it again.

Within 24 hours of his scene-stealing melodrama, he has, well, stolen the show.

It's all about him, not about the bailout deal, not about the economy, not about the trickery of the criminals, not about his lobbyists.

And not about Barack Obama. Or Joe Biden.

Joe Biden is in the battlegrounds states doing some great work. HIs speech yesterday got lost in McCain's drama, but it was one of the best speeches of the genera election campaign. And he chewed up McCain and spit him out.

I hope we can re-focus on OUR campaign and what we need to do to WIN.

McCain has us just where he wants us:

Talking about him.

Obama gave him the opening with that weak reach-out-and-bridge-the-partisan-gap overture. Obama looks weak in my opinion and he needs to talk to other economists besides Lawrence Summers and Paul Volcker.

Politically speaking, I think that Obama will be a good president but on the personal side if I was facing a real knock-down, drag-out battle, I would not follow him across the street. I'm still convinced that he doesn't know how to fight. He has spent too much time trying to be a conciliator.

I agree with the first paragraph entirely.

But none of it is really positive so I don't know how effective this little stunt was.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

When you're old and privileged and white.

And the media falls for this trick every single time. McCain is playing them like a piano.

I've been watching Biden's clips on youtube and he's been on fire!!!

freespiritbty: I've been watching Biden's clips. . .

Good! Could you please post some here? I've been missing him!

Thank you! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

:-) well do! Ride or die Joe. Even if the media chooses to ignore him, some of us will not. Thank God for Youtube!!

Here is Biden on the Healhcare plan and attacks McCain/Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px5YXs788uM

Biden address the Jewish DNC and address the mailer smears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGdyEv_irmA&feat...

Biden on Foreign Policy!! This clip was recorded at a low volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH1z3UnXe78&feat...

freespiritbty: U R wonderful!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Grabbing my popcorn! Sitting down! Watching!! Enjoying!!! :>)

Again, THANKS!! :>) Obama-Biden '08!!!

My comp' froze :-) Wait, there's more! This one is awesome! This one is where Biden is blasting Bush on his fake promises.

Watching these keeps me pumped up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ImuE0IVamk&feat...

freespiritbty: U R kind! Thanks! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

If you don't like the idea of the bailout, one consolation for you: under the Obama tax regime, the rich who raided our national treasury will be paying the vast share of the bill. All that $2,000 per man, woman, and child is true, but that's not how our tax structure works.

We need an equivalent of this graphic:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/st...

... explaining how the cost of the bailout will be divided up, depending on whether McCain or Obama's plan is implemented. The justice of Obama's plan shines through.

Frank: Republicans "winced" when McCain was mentioned in meeting

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said that "nobody mentioned McCain" during the several-hour-long meeting on the $700 billion market rescue plan, other than Frank and that his Republican colleagues "winced" when he did.

"He’s been irrelevant to the process. He remains to be," said Frank. "I was afraid that his dropping in here, like Andy Kaufman’s Mighty Mouse—'here I am to save the day'—I thought that would slow things down. I didn’t see any sign of our Republican colleagues paying any attention to him whatsoever."

Franks went on. "Nobody mentioned him. The man’s irrelevant to the whole process. No Republican mentioned his name. I’m the only one who raised his name. They winced when I did," he said.

"I don’t think anyone takes that seriously," said Frank of McCain's suggestion that Friday's debate be delayed. "Sen. McCain trying to use the necessity for his presence to reach a deal that we’ve already reached as a reason to duck the debate is unworthy of him. There is absolutely no reason not to go to the debate."

Frank was equally cool about today's meeting with the White House. "The White House isn’t show and tell. We’re going to the White House because the president asked us to go. Nobody thinks at this point that anything useful’s going to happen. But we now have to get things drafted and worked on. The White House meeting is just an interruption in our schedule," he said.

Though he said McCain's presence would be unhelpful, he did say, getting a dig in at McCain's running mate, that there "were times when I was ready to suggest that, when we got to some of the more complicated issues about how do you price these sophisticated instruments, that we ask him to make Sarah Palin available to give us her expertise."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Fra...

It's easy to forget, the way the media talks and the way the players behave, that Congress MAKES law and the President ENFORCES it.

Why Congress is "negotiating" with the President is beyond me, other than the fact that they've become fractious and vision-less. In a better world, Congress should be going to the White House with a plan that Paulson reviews, not the other way around.

Beware the trap

John McCain's vow to return to Washington and get this mess settled out has lit a fire under the behinds of Democratic negotiators who worry that his presence will suspend their negotiations, give House Republicans a figure to rally around in opposition to a compromise, and generally weaken their negotiation position.

That's why they're scrambling to have a compromise in place before the 4:00 pm ET meeting with President Bush at the White House. If they do, then they only need worry about McCain's claiming credit for the sense of urgency, which would be inaccurate but hard to disprove. The fact is that, by 2pm yesterday, the House and Senate Democrats had settled their most important differences, the White House had caved on CEO pays, and the two sides were coming close to dealing with the bailout's oversight mechanism, its posture toward homeowners, and whether taxpayers would get ownership stakes in taken-over companies. Then McCain airdrops in --well, he's not actually in DC yet, so it was a virtual airdrop -- and it compresses the timeline even more.

My colleague Nora McAvalnah tells me that sources close to Senate Democratic leadership now fear that McCain's true motivation for calling off his campaign and coming back to DC is simply to cast a "no" vote against the bailout, despite his private statements to the contrary. And it's a smart maneuver: nothing says "maverick," like voting against Bush and standing with the American public, who remain very wary of the proposal.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/20...

I would buy that -- there has been a strong current of opposition to the bailout that's being reported in the media. McCain -- or Obama -- could tap into that populism by championing opposition to the bailout.

The Republicans, ironically, have the upper hand because they're the minority party. They can afford to sit back and snipe, and McCain can look like a leader and bear no responsibilities, because his mavericky ways won't actually result in outcomes (as a member of the minority party).

Pelosi has been smart to declare, publicly, that the bill MUST be bipartisan and MUST carry the votes of rank-and-file Republicans. That should forestall the above scenario.

I'm too confused to know what is the right thing to do about the bailout. I feel quite a bit like I did in the runup to the Iraq war... and while that's not a good feeling, I also think analogies are dangerous ways of thinking. Things are what they are, not like other things.

I do know that if the right thing to do is to oppose the bailout, that Obama should switch his ads and message and use his leadership / clout to rally the country AGAINST the bill. It may seem premature, but I want to see if this "new grassroots politics" works. I want to see whether, if he tells his supporters (us) to rise up against the powers that be, we'll respond and win the battle. After all, this is how we're supposed to win the health care battle, right?

The problem I'm having is not knowing what the right plan is. I'm pretty sure the bailout is not it. But I don't know.

This is not the right plan. Of that I'm certain.

And I believe the criminals orchestrated the whole thing for just this kind of political theater to play out just before the election.

Nancy Pelosi just called out McCain as trying to divert attention from his role in KEATING 5. lol

WOW!! Pelosi did that? Finally the word is getting out about Keating 5 and McCain's involvement. I want to hear about Keating 5 all day long like I heard about Rev. Wright and Rezko.

I may be hoping for the moon on that one.

Well at least we get the all day/all night witch hunter video of Palin and her priest. There goes the wicken vote.

LMAO!! I forgot about the wiccan vote!! I wonder if the msm will factor that in with the other identity voting groups! Hockey moms, walmart mom, and wiccan moms!

freespiritbty: wiccan moms

LOL! :>) :>) :>)

Talking about the presidential election with a white co-worker makes me understand why this election is so close. It's one thing to know why but to actually confront it face to face is another thing. She kept making excuses for McCain in spite of his erratic behavior and stupid and misleading statements. Whereas with Obama she cannot give him any credit. She made a remark that she was not impressed with Obama's press conference yesterday because he seemed confused as to what he wanted to say. I pointed out that as a lawyer by training Obama chooses his words very carefullyShe had an expression on her face that said " Gee I never thought of that". . She should know better because we work at a law firm. One thing that we do agree is that election is going to be closer than many think. And that each candidate will win states they were not expected to win. Another thing that we both know but it is not stated is that she will vote for McCain.

Micheline: "Whycome" U R so "on point"? She should know better. . .

"Their Whiteness Is Showing!"

Obama-Biden '08!!

Tell me about it. We need to brace ourselves for the next few weeks because that get more and more overt.

Micheline: True dat!!!

Obama-Biden '08!!

rikyrah: This comes under the heading - YA think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/here-i...
Here Is Why McCain WantsTo Move The Debate

Let's get real. John McCain didn't ask to move the debate on Friday because he genuinely thought that if he and Obama went into DC on Friday that they would magically be able to solve the financial bailout problem. I hope the journalists in this country are savvy enough to understand by now that what politicians say and what they mean are usually two totally different things.

Come on, who really believes that McCain thinks that if he and Obama don't go into DC together -- specifically on Friday, when the debate was scheduled -- that the business of the country cannot be resolved? Why don't they go in together on Thursday or Saturday?

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Then I realized why they didn't want to have this debate now. The first debate is on foreign policy. Conventional wisdom and the McCain camp believe this is their strong suit. But the news cycle is dominated right now by the economic problems, which plays to Obama's advantage. There was already news out that some of the questions would have to be about the economic situation at hand. And those are the questions that would naturally make the most news.

It's not that the McCain campaign doesn't want to have this debate; it's that they don't want to have it now. They think it is terrible timing for their side. They want people to focus on the foreign policy debate and this would be the worst possible time for that.

SKIP

UPDATE -- Now, they want to move the VP debate, too. This is embarrassing! I've never seen anything like this. There is not even an excuse as to why they should move the VP debate which is all the way at the end of next week. She's just not ready. This is a stunning admission.

LIES! DECEIT!! LACK OF MORALITY!! And these are their "good points!"

ENOUGH!!

And bofa dem are being protected by SHRUB! The press! The REPUGS!!

The MSM needs to "bring it"! [Oh! "The Gov." Met with Rupert Murdoch - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/sarah-...

I know. Why do I expect this? -sigh-


Obama-Biden '08!! FIRED UP!! READY TO GO!!

"Opinion Research polls for Time magazine and CNN released Wednesday showed:

— Colorado: Obama 51, McCain 45 among registered voters. In late August, McCain had been ahead, 49 to 44. Among likely voters, Obama led in the new poll by 51 to 47.

— Michigan: Obama 51, McCain 44 among registered voters. Among likely voters, Obama leads 51 to 46.

— Pennsylvania: Obama 52, McCain 43 among registered voters. Among likely voters, Obama leads 53 to 44.

In summary, the campaigns agree that since the conventions:

Obama has gained in Florida, Virginia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Indiana and New Mexico."

Methinks McBush is trying to head off a stampede...

Ha ha. I just watched Andrea Mitchell play the part of Sarah's interview with Katie and the soundbite of what can she list that John has done in twenty seven years.

After the bite was finished, I swear, Andrea rolled her eyes. Ha ha ha

I saw it too. It seemed Andrea was at a loss for words for a few seconds. She probably was thinking....is this %%%%% for real!

You know its that bad when you've lost gatekeepers like George Will, Fox Noise and Mrs. Greenspan all in the course of one week, and the week isn't over yet.

Obama says he will do a TownHall if McCain does not show up for tomorrow's debate.

Barack Obama is committed to hosting a public, televised event Friday night in Mississippi even if John McCain does not show up, a source close to the Obama campaign tells the Huffington Post.

The Senator, the source says, is willing to make the scheduled debate a townhall meeting, a one-on-one interview with NewsHour's Jim Lehrer, or the combination of the two in McCain's absence.

Such a course of action could make life incredibly difficult for McCain, who has called for the suspension of the debate in light of the current economic crisis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/obama-...

McCain will be there. McCain is lowering expectations while making them higher for Obama. People it's a set up.

That's likely McCain's scam. But it'll surely backfire, because this isn't the primaries. This is for all the marbles, and if McCain starts looking like he needs his expectations lowered, he'll lose this thing in a landslide--Bradley Affect included.

John McCain is OWNED. No way he pulls out of a debate and denies advertisers all that cold hard cash and live to tell about it.

I.LOVE.IT.

Our guy is no patsy.

Message: Don't fuck with Obama.

T.
ps. Man, it sure feels good to be Democrat today.

Remember to get the word out to your loved ones/friends that NO GEAR can be worn to the polls. I know many of us are showing out for the first time and are enthusiastic, but NO GEAR can be worn. We don't need folks turned away over a technicality. I hope black radio is getting that message out as well.

You know what -- I have received mulitiple posts on this subject. WTF???

What law is that? I can't believe it simply because it makes absolutely no sense. Show me that law.

Its called "electioneering"...and every state has a provision in their statutes for it.

This is from Virginia (emphasis mine):

During the times the polls are open and ballots are being counted, it shall be unlawful for any person (i) to loiter or congregate within 40 feet of any entrance of any polling place; (ii) within such distance to give, tender, or exhibit any ballot, ticket, or other campaign material to any person or to solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any person in casting his vote; or (iii) to hinder or delay a qualified voter in entering or leaving a polling place.

ok but is says nothing about not wearing a t-shirt. This will be my seventh time voting and I never heard of that and no one said anything about anyone's cloting. Never.

The key in that phrase talks about loitering and handing out materials not wearing regular clothing to vote and leave.

D: Thank you. :>)

No problem.

From what I've been able to find out-at least in VA of late-it's a blue law and only selectively enforced.

I don't have a problem with it.....long as it goes both ways. I'm really not trying to relive 2000 over again.

D: . . . only SELECTIVELY ENFORCED. . .

This is what I've been trying to get the "bureaucrats" at the State Office to admit! But, -uh -uh! Their lips are sealed and they have lost their voices on that point.

I worked the polls in Feb. 2008 in a predominantly white area.
There was NO mention of "electioneering!"

Obama-Biden '08!

LOL...

Best believe they will be enforced this time around.

This week's commentary by Dr. Ron Walters...

http://www.washingtoninformer.com/wi/index.php?...

Denise

long time, no see. miss you here and over at SB.

denise: Hey! :>) . . . vacuousness of McCain's policies and statements. . .

So on point!! EMPTY/HOLLOW HEADED!! :>) :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

Greenlady and Friends: On Passive Electioneering

The voting games people play

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/electione...

evita: Thank you. Yesterday I posted California's Election Code Section 18370-18371.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?s...
Division 18 Chapter 4 Article 7

When I call the State Elections' Officer and asked her to DEFINE "ELECTIONEERING", she got attitude and told me to look it up in the dictionary. At that point, I put the telephone down so that I could take off my hoop earrings, etc. :>). :>)

I looked it up with no success of seeing badges, T-shirts, etc. But I'm still working on this.

Your references are VERY HELPFUL since they list the laws of each state.

At any rate, I advise people of this information and tell them to take their tape measures if they want to get that IOO FEET correct! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

MSNBC is calling him out on ALL of it.

Letterman
the $5.5M that the University stands to lose
the fact that the negotiatins were underway for days and he did not respond until yesterday
that late Tuesday he hadnt read the document
All of it. They are bring it ALL out

One more - MSNBC they also played the Couric/Palin interview. And raised key areas of her responses where there were causes for concern about her readiness to lead. hah

LOLOL too funny

The official McCain/Palin campaign song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob6TTU1knUM

dj: Searching out the appropriate music seems to be infectious and so "right on!" :>)

This is good!! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

LOL. The egg laying is a good metaphor too.

I think BushCo has roped Barack into today's meeting in order to make sure he's there when the Senate votes on the bill later today or tomorrow.

This is pure politics.

My guess is this won't go up for a vote until Mon or later of next week.

ATTENTION AMERICA!!! You are been bamboozled and probed with a rusty shovel!

House approves $25 billion loan program for automakers

Yes, the same HOUSE that's playing coy with the 700B deal, just approved a 25B deal!
Wake Up America!!!!!!!

China banks told to halt lending to US banks-SCMP
Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:52pm EDT

BEIJING, Sept 25 (Reuters) - Chinese regulators have told domestic banks to stop interbank lending to U.S. financial institutions to prevent possible losses during the financial crisis, the South China Morning Post reported on Thursday.

The Hong Kong newspaper cited unidentified industry sources as saying the instruction from the China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) applied to interbank lending of all currencies to U.S. banks but not to banks from other countries.

"The decree appears to be Beijing's first attempt to erect defences against the deepening U.S. financial meltdown after the mainland's major lenders reported billions of U.S. dollars in exposure to the credit crisis," the SCMP said.

A spokesman for the CBRC had no immediate comment. (Reporting by Alan Wheatley and Langi Chiang; editing by Ken Wills)

They've already said that press release is false.

I think they got it right the first time.

That's why there's so much desperation.

Oh no they aren't trying to pretend its a "fake" story, are they?? Oh hell naw...that's bullshyt. You're right, there is a reason they are scrambling and pulling the fear card and hollering "by Friday!! by Friday!! Friday is doomsday!!"

They turned off the audio from the auditorium during Barack's satellite address, so all those pauses must be when the audience is applauding.

did you catch that Craig. I caught that which means we can't be the only two people who got that.

The networks didn't want Barack to appear to popular after Dead Man Walking gave a speech to a quiet house.

Hey guys, Hope u'r all well. I'm around. God bless the trolls. Be exxxxtra nice to them. They need love. And hope. And change.

T.

I have refrained from posting at JJP for sometime because I feel that it is no longer a forum for respectful debate. But with the current financial crisis looming large for me and my family, I wanted to weigh in.

First, this is no political stunt by McCain. And this issue should not become a political football. In a most direct and significant way, my family's future is on line.

McCain is doing the job he was hired to. A job that he takes seriously and does not run away from. He has never been afraid to put himself at the center of the big issues facing our nation and he has an undeniable record of bipartisanship.

John McCain needs to be in Washington, because his leadership is essential to this crisis.

Oddly enough, McCain and Obama agree that immediate action is necessary. They agree that more oversight is needed and that there need to be caps on executive compensation.

Obama himself, sees his participation in crafting the legislation of little importance (hence his statement that he will come to Washington IF it would be helpful). His party's leadership in Congress was moving full speed ahead without his active participation.

But McCain KNOWS his participation is KEY to bringing along Republicans who are now balking at the plan and to reign in Democrats from making this the biggest pork-laden bill of our lifetime.

If you pay taxes, if you own a home, have a 401K or money market fund, if you work for a large corporation or a small business, it is in your best interest to pay close attention to what happens with this bill because we will be paying for this bailout with our hard earned money for years to come.

It is in our nation's best interest for Congress to act swiftly but not extravagantly.

As he has proved in the past, John McCain is the only Republican who can negotiate with the Democrats and Republicans. He is a major player on Capitol Hill and he will be instrumental in delivering a bill that will save our economy.

It may pain Obama supporters to see McCain 'in action,' doing what he does best, but I for one, feel better knowing he is there working on our behalf.

Now feel free to spew your partisan, politics before country BS my way.

So you know he left the White House about five minutes out the back door taking no questions. Obama is taking questions at the Mayflower hotel.
PS there is no deal as of now according to both Republicans and Democrats.

Not a place for resoextavle debate= can't change any minds to my way of thinking

Argg...finger placement Lilytiger, finger placement.

Not a place for RESPECTABLE debate....

S- Your naivete is distressing. Thanks for explaining the gravity of the situation to us idiots of over here however, you have missed a crucial aspect of this issue. Candidate McCain is different than the "Maverick" of yore. More so than anything, his intentions that you describe WILL BE MET by cynicism and mistrust thus hampering the work of the Senators that have been there all week and have been at work since April (the last time McCain showed up for work.) You clearly have drunk the kool aid, believing that your Republican leader will save you etc, but truthfully it is not his presence they need it's his leadership. Those things are not necessarily the same.

Understand this, my conservative sister/ blind follower of talking points, this is a political move that will hurt the situation more than help. With all of the mud, fact checked lies, and political gambits he has perpetuated against the American people- do you really think the Democrats are going to have amnesia and not see that McCain is NOT TO BE TRUSTED.

Not to mention his aggression and temperament have been dully noted especially when summoned to cover up his ignorance of the issue, and like any drama queen- cover up his own errors in judgment. We don't need that type of "leadership." This is not a fox hole and there is no group of men with guns fast approaching. We need steady, calm, leadership with an eye to the future, not just the election.

The country needs OBAMA to be elected. Restore respect, sound judgment, and dignity to the American people. It took 8 years for our country to go to hell in a hand basket, it will hence take more than a week for unravel it. No blank checks for you. Unfortunately McCain's country doesn't include poor or working people, otherwise he's his voting record would have reflected that. Too little too late...

I love this country, fear for what is on the horizon for us as a nation, and I am now MORE STEADFAST in my support for getting the republicans out of the white house. Your party's leadership has done ENOUGH.

Country First! OBAMA/ BIDEN 08!

I like how you've coopted their motto.

I almost summoned my inner Sista Souljah... fuck it I will.


"WANTING TO SAY PEACE, BUT HAVING TO SAY WAR!"

Now let me get this straight...

The OTHER 49 Republican dudes and dudettes in the Senate...

The two Republican "morons" occupying the Oval Office and Vice Presidency...

And hundreds of (Republican) people appointed to positions of power by those "morons" in the White House, and approved at McBush's behest by those other 49 leaderless, incompetent Republicans in the Senate...

Aren't capable of "solving" the problem THEY created...

Without the true blue leadership of a man who admits...

"I don't know much about the economy"...

Damn... It's worse than I thought.

Just politics as usual.

Now how is it that D mentions your name and all of a sudden here you come?

LOL.

Full of shit.

CBS News reports that John McCain suspended his campaign as a response to a call from Henry Paulson to rescue the bailout plan, which would have headed for defeat without his leadership. Bob Schieffer reported this morning that McCain flew back to Washington to help reach a compromise that would allow Republicans to support a form of bailout, and that without his help, efforts to resolve the crisis would have collapsed.

And what has been Paulson's history with all of this? I mean history.

... would you care to document this "report" so that fair-minded readers can investigate it on their own?

I am willing to accept the truthy parts of what you say -- that McCain is an important Senator -- but it's hard for me to piece together the claim that McCain is going to show "leadership" among his colleagues while he is also seen as a disliked "maverick" among those colleagues. Which is it? Leader of his party or maverick-who-flirted-with-becoming-a-Democrat?

We of the lesser intellect have a hard time believing two contradictory things at once. Please simplify for us.

McCain did not fly back to Washington. He stayed in NY for an interview with Katie Couric, and to speak at Clinton's Global Initiative.

I'm sure David Letterman can vouch for that (hee).

Blah Blah Fuckety Blah!

Bullshit.

co-signing on bullshit

co-signing on bullshit.

"Gee, Dave I'm sorry I won't be on your show tonight.
"I have to fly straight back to Washington because of this financial mess."

Then McCain goes to talk to with Katie Couric.

Mr. Bullshit: that's the John McCain we can believe in!

Presto - change - o!

I still read the blog, but I have refrained from commenting. Clearly you are more concerned with some conspiracy or coordination, than my sincere comments on the crisis. So be it. Just one more reason why I refrain from posting.

Yaaaaaaaaaa!! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

Good.
Now an angel can get their wings!

dreams really do come true!

Ahhh. Big up on the Pushkin. Sure he would be blastin' em right now, too, not having much tolerance for the dumb stuff.

oh... while we were sleeping on the 700 billion dollar pillow, 25 billion crept out the back door to save the cars: http://wsjm.com/US-House-Approved-Big-Auto-Loan...

didn't quite get the headlines in the big outlets...

McTush is going to March to Washington...

And "Save the economy"?

Is this the same McTush who just a few months ago admitted "I don't know much about the economy"?

Well... The strategy to fix that would be to select somebody to sit second chair who does...

Ooooops.

Random thought:

S comments on my blog from time to time. Anyone seen Karmi lately?

The former conservative wing of JJP needs to be reestablished, cause some of these new cats......for lack of a better term, suck. Even I have to laugh at how y'all treat them sometimes.

D., you back up your claims with thoughtful analysis. Karmi coughs up talking points. You engage in discussion. Karmi flames.

Inviting dissent is one thing. Trollbaiting is another.

I agree with Anderkoo's assessment of D and Karmi, and I would add "s" to the Karmi side of things.

Okay, fair enough.

Rasmussen North Carolina


OBAMA IS UP 2!!

Obama 49
McCain 47

"Barack Obama is today the single most dispensable member of Congress.

That doesn't mean McCain will win in November. But it means that he should."

"When you quote something on a blog, trollchild 'nancyelyn,' it is customary to link to or otherwise source the quote"

"Not doing this makes you look even more like an idiot than you already do (even though at first glance this appears impossible)"

"Can you handle the task of linking/citing, or is even this too much for your wee intellect to process?"

You obviously don't know how Congress works. McSame isn't a Banking Committee member so what the fuck is he going to do? ONE BIG DISTRACTION

They are begging him to stay away

OBAMA/BIDEN 08

Full of shit.

nancyleyn - please.

McCain is a LUNATIC and his sidekick is incompetent. We cannot afford to have those two win in November. Not an option.

All others, if our commentary serves to detract from Obama's message and moves us away from what we have to do in November, maybe it would be best to keep those thoughts to ourselves. Bill Clinton is not relevant. Not anymore. I would argue that Hillary is doing the right things and she should not be held accountable for Bill's actions. He does his own thing. Period. That too is besides the point.

Let us continue to do what we have been doing which is to register voters, focus on the message, let folks know why it is imperative that we have Democrats in the White House. All the extra stuff (inner democratic gripes) let us keep it to ourselves and not provide this stuff as tools to be used by the Repubs to slow down our momentum.

Just my thoughts. Dropping off for a few hours to make some phone calls for Obama.

Go Obama/Biden/We the People 08

Truthseeker,

I don't have time to get into this now, but you are on the right track about the Clintons. I've watched Bill do several interviews and the meme is the same - he's pushing McCain and you're right it's not about Barack. Granted, he doesn't like the fact that he couldn't beat him, but it's more about what's going on on Wall Street. I knew it when I heard him say that the presidential candidates need to go to Washington to help solve the financial crisis. He is becoming very transparent. He's still talking about what Obama needs to do to win Hillary voters when he already has most of them.

rikyrah was right months ago when she said the Clintons owed somebody something and that's why the Clintons wouldn't quit.

The Clinton's are in debt to Goldman sachs. The Clinton's Sec of Treassury was Robert Rubin Chr of goldie, Bush current Sec of Treasury Paulson goldie's Chr. Keep going through the cabinet on the financial side and goldies fingerprints are all over the place PS Wall Street gives more money to Democrats than Republicans

msmartin,

Bubba wrote checks his ass couldn't cash. And, for the BOTTOM LINE, they need McAncient in there.

told y'all he couldn't be trusted.


that's why they would never reveal the donor lists to the library and foundation

We've been saying this all year.

I want to tell folks...

This stunt by McAncient was all about burying that Katie Couric Interview with James.Dobson.In.A.Dress

She actually IS as bad as we believed her to be. They wanted that VP debate cancelled.

McCain thought Obama would panic like him, when he pulled his bullshit.

Not so with our Zen Obama.

Obama didn't take the bait. Obama is like, I will be in Oxford.

McCain also pissed on the tv networks. I thought it was telling that the folks at Ole Miss, in putting out their statement about why the debate should go on, mentioned MONEY. The five and a half million they've put into this.

I would say that the networks have put equal amounts into the coverage.
1. They've already agreed to and worked out giving up those timeslots for this debate
2. They've already put out the money in preparation for their debate coverage.

They are not gonna tolerate McCain's bullshit and fucking with their money. Not even Fox, who, after trying to back this bull, was told by their corporate folks, uh huh, he's not messing with our money, so the tune was changed for Fox, who began telling McCain - you can do both, go to the debate.

So, come hell or high water, bill or no bill, something is going to happen on Friday with Barack Obama. it will be a debate or a town hall, but McAncient overplayed himself and his importance in all of this.

rikyrah: It's CHESS! Mr. Obama KNOWS his game plays! :>) :>)

And it's the BENJAMINS - as you have so rightly pointed out!!

Obama-Biden '08!!

Imagine the economic loss for Oxford Mississippi if this debate doesn't happen.

McCain doesn't care about any of that, just his own vainglory.

Are you kidding me? Some situations are more important than politics. This is one of them.

Now is a time of crisis. I don't think it's remotely as great a crisis — not yet, anyway. But it's the biggest one we've faced since we were confronted with the immediate prospect of a humiliating defeat and surrender in the post-war occupation of Iraq.

When immediate action is essential, John McCain will act, and they will follow. And thus, in the present financial crisis in September of 2008, now that everyone agrees that immediate action is essential, John McCain is simply the one indispensable man in Washington.

Barack Obama has failed to lead.

Indeed, when the crisis engulfed them, those who've had the best first-hand opportunity since January 2005 to watch him try to do his job — his fellow senators, even the leaders of his own party who mouth the words about him being "the next President of the United States" and the hope of a new generation — didn't call a halt to everything and send out a plea for his personal presence in Washington. Their actions and in particular, this inaction, shows that they know in their hearts that Obama is no real leader. They know he's simply a well-cut, slick, but empty suit onto which the trappings of leadership have been projected. And when it comes to putting their own careers, their own modest places in history, on the line, they certainly didn't look to him for guidance.

Gee, where is the leadership of George W. Bush?
"Now watch this drive."

Nancylyn, in case it escaped your notice, we like links to sources to back up claims like the ones you make about failure to demonstrate leadership.

Your boy McCain does that and all we have to do is a "Google" search to provide links galore. If you plan to engage in discussion, provide links to verify your claims before we label you a TROLL.

There's two types of trolls; CONCERN and FLAMING - GET IN WHERE YOU FIT IN if you're not going to link to sources to provide or substantiate your statements.

NOW, watch this DRIVE.....

I guess that this is the first time we had a crisis during a campaign?You people take pride in your ignorance!!!!!

– September 24, 1864: The nation is literally at risk of collapse, managed in a large-scale civil war: "Yet the campaign for the presidency was "now being prosecuted with the utmost vigor," as one could read in the New York Times."

– September 24, 1932: The nation is mired in Depression, coping with it a full time job, "Yet Herbert Hoover prepared to give a large speech in Iowa and Franklin Roosevelt had just given what became a famous address to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco."

– September 24, 1944: World War II well under way, with the United States engaged in fierce fighting, "Yet President Roosevelt had just officially launched his campaign for a fourth term, while Thomas Dewey took his turn speaking in San Francisco, challenging Roosevelt's supremacy."

- September 24, 1968: The Vietnam War raging, two major American political leaders had already been assassinated that year, student revolts around the world, and a sizable portion of the country in full backlash against the civil rights movement, Humphrey drew some of the biggest crowds of his campaign during appearances in Ohio.

Even Reagan debated during a crisis .
This dude hasn't even read the bail out plan yet. He is full of shit. No republican will defend this move. He is done


OBAMA/BIDEN 08

For Real, Karl.

So McCain is essentially saying he can't govern during a crisis.

Which makes him unqualified to be POTUS.

THE END.

Did you notice how five people rebutted everything you wrote in less than 150 words total and it took you over 200 words to explain how McCain was a leader and Obama was not.

It is hard to be concise when you are spreading Bullsh**. The Prince of Wales says chug a lug.

Still full of shit.

Hillary lost. Runteldat.

1. Up until 2 days ago McCain hadn't even the read the proposal

2. McCain hasn't voted/been in the senate since APRIL!!!!!!!!!

3. A man who's admitted he knows nothing about the economy, how can he possible contribute anything of value?

4. Multi-task!

5. McCain will act alright...Last week the fundamentals of the economy are strong, Monday he's against the bailout, Tuesday he says he's not sure, Wednesday we're in a crisis and just HAS to suspend his campagian b/c his prescence is sooo important he just has to be there, meanwhile his talking to Katic Couric last night and hanging out with Bill Clinton today.

Chris Dodd say several times that McCain hadn't even bothered to talk to anyone on the hill during negotations.

4. Multi-task!

I like my presidents to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm just weird that way.

Via Hotair:

Yesterday’s strange pas de deux between Barack Obama and John McCain ended with a form of Deus ex machina, as George Bush summoned Obama to Washington after he first refused to go. McCain suspended his campaign and declared that he would, in effect, get back to work at his current job in order to help forge a solution to a national crisis. Obama, in effect, said he wasn’t needed:

McCain called for his Democratic rival to agree to a postponement until Congress agrees on a $700 billion government plan to rescue banks from enormous debt, saying, “We are running out of time.”

Obama rebuffed his GOP rival, saying the next president needs to “deal with more than one thing at once.”

Both were heading back to Washington on Thursday, summoned by President Bush to attend a White House meeting with congressional leaders in hopes of securing the legislation to rescue the fragile economy.

So who prevailed? McCain wound up with both of them in Washington, and managed to embarrass Obama in the process. Obama held a press conference to explain why he thought it was a waste of time for him to return to the Senate — and he didn’t describe himself in terribly glowing terms:

As I said before, I think that one of the things we have to determine is how we can be most helpful. It’s my sense that the most helpful thing we can do right now is, uh, to let everyone know this is a sufficiently important problem. I can be helpful, and I am prepared to be anywhere, anytime. So, uh, I think the message is, if I can be helpful, I am prepared to be there at any point.

Bear in mind that Senator Obama wants to run the executive branch starting in January. At a moment when his country needs leadership and Congress is meeting to determine policy that will affect the executive branch for the next several months and years, he doesn’t consider his role as a Senator important enough to take part in those negotiations. “If I can be helpful,” Obama says, indicating that he doesn’t consider fulfilling his current responsibilities helpful or even desirable.

Instead he wants to let everyone know that this is a “sufficiently important problem”. Sufficiently important how? Apparently, “sufficiently important” to issue press statements, but not “sufficiently important” to get back to work for a few days. What would constitute a problem “sufficiently important” enough for him to do that? Congress needs to address a $700 billion bailout that Obama has already stated will severely restrict his policy options if he wins the elections. Doesn’t he have a “sufficiently important” interest in that, either?

Obama has another problem with returning to Washington, one that received little attention in the analysis of McCain’s challenge yesterday. Obama has to raise $3 million each day in order to hit his target of $100 million a month. He needs to conduct fundraisers constantly in order to make that goal. Taking three or four days off the campaign trail means a potential loss of revenue for Obama, one he can ill afford at the moment. That’s a “sufficiently important problem” that would keep Obama out of Washington.

McCain won this round. He understood that the next leader of the nation had to put himself in a position of leadership in this crisis in order to have credibility. McCain took the initiative, while Obama had to return after being summoned like a recalcitrant student.

Obama and McCain are not needed to write the bill. Bills in the legislative body of the United States are written by the committees responsible for the activity. Tha Banking committees of the house and senate write banking legislation. Neither Obama or McCain are on the banking committee. They have no responsibility to write the bill. Dodd and Sen Shelby R (ranking member) will write the bill on the Senate side with input from interested Senators through the majority and minority leaders.

Obama has been dsicussing it with Dodd and Paulson. McCain should be talking to Shelby and Paulson also. He has not, that is why you see no GOP Senators on TV supporting the McCain move. They will not, because they know it is a sham.

Tell me how you supposed to breathe with no air

Can't live, can't breathe with no air

McCain ran from debate cuz he scared

Not prepared, not prepared

Tell me how he supposed to lead a country so free

When he can't multitask like me

And he knows nothing bout the economy

Hot air, hot air

barack obama: Hot air - balloon? :>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Bxb3oYzHY&feat...
Up Up and Away! 5th Dimensions

Obama-Biden '08!!

can I copy and paste to other sites? This is sooooo great.

RAOTFLMAO I love that.

Uh, Town is that you?

LMAO!!!

LOL

That's a lot of hotair.

Save your time ad do us all a favor count to 700,000,000,000. We got the talking points from the McCain yesterday. Jack Welch, on CNBC now, won't even support McCain's hot head move.

Obama is an empty suit who can contribute nothing to the debate in this financial crisis. He will go along with whatever McCain and the Democrats come up with.

Um is that why McCain copies everything Obama does and says?

Oh is that why McCain took Obama's suggestion for a nonpartisan statement and turned it a ridiciouls ploy to "put campagin, I mean country first"?

You're full of shit.

Mr Paulson's appearances on Capitol Hill, marked by the characteristic Bush-era combination of arrogance and incompetence, are turning my once-outlandish view into conventional wisdom: Henry Paulson is to finance what Donald Rumsfeld was to military strategy, Dick Cheney to geopolitics and Michael Chertoff to flood defence.

Look at the level of competence. Do you still think that Obama should not have spoke earlier? Everyone here is working as hard as possible to elect Obama. When he takes over on Jan 20 2009 HIS TREASURY SCRETARY will be responsible for implementing the policy assuming Paulson hasn't spent all the money. His guy is going to have to explain how it is working , if it is( I personally am 65 35 until I see the whole bill). Do you really want Obama to walk into another s@#$ storm?

Forgot the article courtesy of the London Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/column...

A full-out culture wars play. Interesting -- is the macro trend for or against this move?

Earlier this year, I recall some conservative-leaning pastors calling for a "political sabbatical" after realizing they've been used by fiscal conservatives as cover, without gaining anything for their social conservative agenda.

There has always been an important nexus between religion and politics, but is it a legitimate one? Should it be erased just like the line between journalism and politics is right now?

let's see if the IRS will be sicced on them

Further research shows that the group that's fronting this-the Alliance Defense Fund-is conservative.

What I'm now wondering is that if a couple of Black Baptists went in on this and preached in favor of Obama, would they be defended as well?

The IRS would be on the doorstep of those Black Baptist Pastors by 6:00am Monday Morning, D. Book it.

I'm with Rikyrah, let's see if they get visits from the IRS on the Monday after they deliver those sermons.

Apparently, that's the point: to get the IRS to go after them so they can turn around and then sue (calling it a 1st Amendment violation).

I guess it all depends on what candidate you're applying the "scriputral truth" to, which is what I wrote in my post on it.

No, they'd be lectured that churches aren't to use their pulpits to endorse candidates and Hannity would have a special called "Sleeper Cells in Black Churches...a Special Investigation"

And they'd probably get a visit from the TAX MAN.

You need help. You really do.

Now you know Hannity would call for an investigation as to what goes on in black churches and he would throw in special remixes of Farrakhan and Rev. Wright at that.

Umm didnt Hannity already say that the black church needed to be investigated? I believe if you review the transcripts of Hannity & Colmes in April or May, his blubbery butt did say this.

Unfortunately, you're probably right.

uh no.

LOL. Have some optimism.

rikyrah: Wonder if he's going ta sit in a corner for his "time out?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain...
McCain Wants A Time Out -- But Why?

Why does John McCain suddenly want to suspend his presidential campaign and postpone Friday's debate? His campaign surrogates are saying it's a typical "maverick" move, that McCain is simply "putting country first." Let's look at the evidence:

1) As Ben Smith notes, McCain's move "is a mark, most of all, that he doesn't like the way this campaign is going. ... The only thing that's changed in the last 48 hours is the public polling."

SKIP

t's impossible to know why McCain chose this course, but it sure seems like more of a political stunt than a maverick moment.

The other reasons - NICE!!! [and smarmy! :>)]

Obama-Biden '08!

"Negro, Don't You Know Who I Am?"
http://simplifythepositive.blogspot.com/2008/09...

There is a heightened level of agitation I am seeing these days, not just in John McCain, but in a large section of the American population, a visible anxiety about Barack Obama’s ever growing support that is now threatening to ratchet itself up to the next level – an outright racially based fear that these particular white Americans who say they support John McCain and Sarah Palin can’t seem to escape.

The okie doke he is trying to put over is the soft shoe shuffle - "well, since we postponed the presidential debates, we HAVE to push back the VP ones - you know, so the people don't get confused."

There is nothing as strong as that childhood fear of being afraid of the dark, it seems.

but, Obama didn't fall for it. HE will be in Mississippi

Brown Man: . . afraid of the dark, Good one!! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!
P.S. I made a comment! :>)

Rikyrah: O.K. I have some questions on this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain...

McCain's Debate Suspension Mocked On Twitter

John McCain's decision to suspend his campaign in order to focus on the ongoing debate and negotiations over the Paulson bailout package is -- like all things -- getting roundly mocked on Twitter, maybe because just a few days ago, the fundamentals of our economy had tweeted McCain, saying they were strong. Here are some highlights:

"I'm #suspending my wife's pregnancy. The crib isn't ready."

You gotta see the rest of them. Then it was suggested that you could add some.

That's when the problem arose for me. I was all ready to add my comment: "McAncient" is suspending his thinking because his neurons aren't connecting Not bad - I said to myself! :>)

Unlike posting here, I didn't know where/how to make a comment. That's when I asked myself - What the heck is a TWITTER?

Here I'm thinking that I had moved into the 21st Century and all! Heck, I've been bloggin' for 6 whole months!! I'm there!! :>)

So who invented this "TWITTER" thing? And when did they do it? And WHYYYYYY?

I was doin' jes fine up 'til now even if I am "Tech-challenged." :>)

I don't know what ta do with this "TWITTER" thing. Y'all ain't gon change up on me - are you? :>) :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

when you find the answer about Twitter, please post and tell me. I'm not hip.

rikyrah: O.K. I'm going ta do some "Field Trippin'" :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!

Hah! This is the best day evah! Meknows McFalin got played today and their camp has omelets on their faces (cheese, anyone?) and have only 2 non-choices: pres. debates at Ole Miss. & vp debates w/ Joey. I have never laughed so hard when I saw the whole coverage and realized that they just got it good! Hah! What happened today to them is so far better than a good old novel. THINK ABOUT IT! Think Palace politics, as in King Henry VIII. Sorry, couldn't resist the Henry part (Time cover of Paulson). And he was on his way to Bill's Global Initiative? Couric's show? Skip Letterman? Not in DC? But somehow solve the trillion $ problem. Cover up w/ what's rising from the cesspool w/ Sarah, etc. Then, what's up w/ the old guy's left eye (check out his press conf. and photos thereafter). Bugger if Keating Five didn't just rise up again. What else? Guilotine anyone? Nah, we'll just suspend this !@##%^ campaing. Done.

McCain thought Obama would panic like he did. Obama said, no, the President should be able to multi-task. See you in Oxford, bitches.

See you in Oxford, bitches.

hahahahaha!

Obama said, no, the President should be able to multi-task.

That's right!

I said it before but I'll say it again:

I can't help but wonder, is John McCain deliberately trying to sink himself? [/carrie bradshaw]

These are just my observations but IMO John McCain is more interested in the "title" of POTUS/Commander in Chief than actually being POTUS/Commander in Chief.

I mean, being "Commander in Chief" would definitely outrank his dad and granddad's Admiral titles. And at last, people would be bowing down to him like they bowed down to his dad and granddad.

I don't think he has any interest in actually governing, just the perks. But he's realizing that he's got to work for those perks and I don't think he's so interested in that. Plus he's not in control of his own campaign so he does rash things to prove he's in control (Miss Alaska '08, "suspending the campaign")

Miss Alaska is only interested in the title as well but she's content not to be in control and to let everyone else do her job as long as she has the title. If McCain kicks it and she becomes the President, she'd be more than happy to be a figurehead as long as she and 1st Dude and her kids* and her friends got all the perks.

*Bristol will be banned from coming to DC. Her ass will be banished to Alaska, never to be seen or heard from again except for appearing on the annual Christmas card.

IMO McCain is spinning out of control because he really really wants that title of Commander in Chief so he can invade more countries and start more wars and "win them" so he can go down in history as having "won the war" and bands and soldiers can salute him but at the same time he really really doesn't want to deal with all the other ish that comes with being the President, like um governing and stuff like that.

So I think his behavior will grow more and more bizarre the closer we get to Nov. 4th.

Just my opinions and observations.

First time I saw McCain this election cycle was when he won New Hampshire.

I thought, "Look at the old guy. Good for him for making a comeback in his favorite state and getting some recompense for his image before he goes to his grave."

That's all I could see.

That's all I still see.

And I think his father issues are so big that your observations strike me as accurate.

Ha. Maybe Paris Hilton could fill in, after all she was quite impressive in her campaign commercial.

Chris: Hey! :>) Well you got the lay of the land! :>) Nice summary! :>)

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Hey GreenLadyHere, lets keep the whole string of muck going and help the old guy out (eh, plus the moose killer). What did we miss this minute?

Chris: How about Mr. Obama put a chess castle move on his castle after jumping over his moat; as in -the debate will go on! :>)

I'm done! :>)

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Hah! All 8 castles, I hear! :>) and then some! Who's your sugar Momma? Amd the Debate goes on! .

I respect Senator Obama for many things, including his sense of humor when faced with absurdity:

At a press conference ... Barack Obama rejected John McCain's demand for a suspension of the debate.

"I believe we should continue to have the debate," he just said. "I believe it makes sense for us to present ourselves to the American people."

"Obviously if it turns out that we need to be in Washington, we've both got big planes, we've painted our slogan on the side of them," Obama also said. "They can get us from Washington to Mississippi pretty quickly." The debate is set to take place in Mississippi.

Big planes! Painted slogans on the side!

Wow he's good.

Obama Rejects McCain's Call For Suspension Of Debate; Says He Was Blindsided

I like the last part of that article too:

Obama also said that he was blindsided by McCain's public call for a debates suspension. After describing their conversation about a possible suspension, Obama said: "I thought that this was something that he was mulling over. Apparently this was something that he was more decisive about in his own mind."

Obama described their conversation as follows: "I proposed putting out the joint statement. He concurred with that. he then also said, 'I would like us to look at suspending the campaign and pushing the debates off.' I said, 'let's put out the joint statement first, and then get our campaigns to discuss this.'" Obama said he later saw McCain announcing his plans on television.

One more time: If this version of events is true, McCain's public call for a suspension was anything but apolitical. If McCain had truly intended to keep this apolitical, he would have asked Obama to jointly suspend the debates, made his own full intentions clear, and waited for Obama's private and definitive answer before going public.

that was hilarious. McAncient is lucky Obama didn't say

' you can take Cindy's plane to Oxford, John. I'm sure she'll let you ride it.'

Michelle: Yep!! :>)

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Why is footage from the Bush-speech last night freaking me out?

I've learned to avoid watching Bush...I learned to literally turn away from the TV set: Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil.

Yet when I look at the Bush Clips from last night, it's as if he were a robot...More robotic than I've ever seen him...and that freaks me out.

It's like the Dark Sith (Dick Cheney) had him plugged to a USB cable; his eye's were beadier than ever...not beady like the monkey we are use to seeing...beady like a robot's eyes.

I don't recall Bush making a single verbal gaffe in his address--it was a sober, robotic delivery--and it freaks me out.

To my fellow sci-fi fans, I feel like we may be in the midst of a "Star Wars Episode III" scenario.
Is the Bush Administration going to "concoct a rationale" for declaring a State-of-Emergency over this "economic crisis?"
Will elections be canceled?
Will America NOT have a peaceful transition of Presidential Power for the first time in our history?
Will folks like me have to go underground?

Bush was probably medicated, Webb; hence the robotic look.

Imagine if they allowed him to deliver that muck liquored up.

But, it was still the same ol' "9/11" scare he uses in any speech to manipulate Congress and the country into doing what he wants.

He really needs his blankey...and a six pack of STHU.

If they do that, America is over. America will NEVER get over that. The world would never let America get over that. They will see that we had elections during the Civil War and WWI and WWII but only when the black guy has a good chance of winning must elections be canceled.

So America will have nullified and voided everything they preach to other countries about democracy and equality because when America is about to have its' own "regime chance" with non-white citizen about to assume the controls they want to shut itself down.

Bush can do that. And Bush will forever be known as the president who destroyed America.

America: July 4, 1776 - Nov. 4, 2008.

LOL...

The aliens are here.

TruthSeeker: Nice avatar - again! :>)

Webb: Annnnnd, will you have the appropriate ambient MUSIC ?? YES!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSrBftHfmUI&feat...
Star Wars Theme Song

ENJOY!! :>)

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rikyrah: this headline is brutal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-bohrer/suppo...
Supposed Campaign "Suspension" Reveals Depths of McCain's Deceit and Desperation

John McCain's call to suspend the presidential campaigns and debates is downright deceitful and frankly desperate.

Why? Yesterday McCain "approved this message" in a video press release billed as an ad titled "Mum." It attacks Barack Obama for doing nothing on the economic crisis.

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Hopefully the media will see this for what it is: a bold-face campaign tactic. A desperately deceitful move to try and regain their footing.

We deserve better. There is no reason that Barack Obama should pull himself off the stump and away from the debates in order for John McCain to seek shelter from a crisis that his Republican Party's calls for rampant deregulation helped create.

Love it!! Tell it like it is!! :>)

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rikyrah: Heeeeeeere's Cafferty!:

http://vodpod.com/watch/1031931-cafferty-they-s...
Cafferty: They Should Have The Debate

VIDEO


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Jack is hilarious most days.

rikyrah: And now a word from Laura Bush:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24...
Laura Bush Says Palin Lacks Foreign Policy

First Lady Laura Bush told CNN Wednesday Sarah Palin lacks experience in foreign policy, but quickly added the Alaska governor is "a very quick study."

Asked by CNN's Zain Verjee if she thought Palin's resume included sufficient foreign policy experience, Bush said, "Of course she doesn't have that."

Hey Laura: Why don't you tell us how you really feel! :>)

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Laura is like ' enough of the lies'.

LOL

Laura is like "damn, I've got more foreign policy experience than her, maybe I should run for VP."

well if HRC can claim first lady experience then so can Laura!

rikyrah: From the Anchorage Daily News:

http://www.adn.com/front/story/535188.html
Palin's Preferred Inquiry Requires Utmost Secrecy

TROOPERGATE: Alaska law says those involved can't acknowledge its existence.

Of the two Alaska investigations into abuse-of-power allegations against Sarah Palin, the governor has chosen to cooperate with just one: the one that guarantees secrecy

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But that investigation, unlike the more public legislative one, would require the investigation to be conducted in complete confidentiality. Under Alaska law, those who are part of such an investigation are unable to acknowledge even its existence until the Personnel Board decides there's enough evidence to hold a hearing.

If the complaint is dismissed, the probe and all the information related to it remains confidential.

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Palin can waive confidentiality. The McCain campaign -- which is fielding all questions about Troopergate on the Palins' behalf -- on Tuesday said the governor originally did so but that the investigator, Anchorage attorney Timothy Petumenos, requested she not speak publicly.

McCain spokesman Ed O'Callaghan later acknowledged that the state's confidentiality laws still apply.

Alaska law also allows a Personnel Board investigation to last for up to two years. It's unknown how long Petumenos will need.

Also, Palin might be able to have the complaint dismissed simply by refusing to cooperate. State law says that if the person who filed a complaint is unwilling to assist in the investigation, that can justify the probe's termination.

O.K. 1. NOTE that the "McAncient"CAMPAIGN has the TIME to speak for "The Gov."
Could this be one reason why he can't deal with his own campaign?

2. Note the Alaskan Laws which allow the "secrecy" of this legal action!

3. Note how LONG this issue may last - up to 4+ years!

Can we say "The Gov." is in a "Protective Bubble" provided by his CAMPAIGN FUNDS!? Y'ALL Repugs - NOTE that!! :>)

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rikyrah: Brought this back from Mudflats. I really liked the sarcasm and the comments! :>)

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/mccain...
McCain Has Fled the Interview

Hmmm. What’s a candidate to do when poll numbers are dropping, and the thing on everyone’s mind is a subject (the economy) you’ve recently admitted you don’t know much about, and you’re about to be asked questions about it in front of an audience of tens of millions of potential voters? Tricky situation.

If you answered “flee the scene”, you’re thinking like John McCain. He has now announced that because of the country’s economic meltdown, he will suspend his campaign, to fly to Washington to work on banking legislation. He wants the first of three presidential debates with Barack Obama, scheduled for this Friday, to be postponed. The decision was spun perfectly by Republican Senator Orrin Hatch:

“This is the John McCain I know,” Hatch said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Hardball.” “He is willing to risk election to do what’s right for the country.”

SKIP

Obama has called their bluff. What’s the next move in the chess match? We’ll see before Friday.

They like the "CHESS MODEL" 2! :>)

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It's called "Chicken" w/ a dash of POW. Does the "Gambler" play Poker?

rikyrah: Maybe some students thought that the concept of errybody "Hangin' on a Tree' [as in the Old Rugged Cross] was a good thing!

http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/09/24/oba...
Obama Effigy Found Hanging From Ore. Campus Tree

Officials of a small Christian university say a life-size cardboard reproduction of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was hung from a tree on the campus, an act with racial undertones that outraged students and school leaders alike.

George Fox University President Robin Baker said a custodian discovered the effigy early Tuesday and removed it. University spokesman Rob Felton said Wednesday that the commercially produced reproduction had been suspended from the branch of a tree with fishing line around the neck.

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Newberg police Sgt. Tim Weaver said officials are working with the university to find out who was responsible. He also said the police department has notified the U.S. Secret Service, although it’s not clear yet whether the act was a crime.

“It doesn’t fit as a hate crime and it doesn’t fit in as intimidation, necessarily,” he said. “If it’s not a crime, we’re not going to be involved.”

The message read, “Act Six reject.”

The school has 17 students in the Act Six program, whose name derives from the New Testament book of Acts. All but one are members of minority groups, Felton said.

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Felton said that about 2 percent of the students are black and about a quarter of the freshman class belongs to minority groups. That number includes international students, largely from Asia and Africa.

O.K. Since Oregon DOES belong to the USA, the POLICE need to upgrade themselves in the legal statutes that the rest of us follow:

This is a hate crime, based on the make-up of the Acts Six Group [all but 1 student is a minority]!!

Point 2. Guess this college is one of those "righteous and very pious Evangelical-types". The Lawd needs ta he'p them!! :>)

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I guess the perps skipped Bible class the day that love thy neighbor was discussed.

MsKitty: Seeeeee! :>) :>)

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very sad

nickwah22: Yes. But, There is something about "Vengeance is Mine. . . " in 1 of those 66 Books. :>)

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Jim Crow returns....

Students and campus leaders at George Fox University denounced the hanging of a life-size cardboard cutout of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama on campus, vowing to work together to fight racism and intolerance.

A custodial crew at the 3,355-student Christian university found the Obama likeness hanging by fishing wire from a tree at 7 a.m. Tuesday and tore it down before students arrived for classes. A sign taped to the cutout said, "Act Six reject," referring to a scholarship program for Portland students, many of whom are minorities.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/0...
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_09240...

we knew it was coming. the ugliness will be laid bare before us all in its foulness before this campaign is over.

the ugliness will be laid bare before us all in its foulness before this campaign is over.

That rang true really loud for me when I read these words -- clear speaking true. Not just the words, which are very true, but also wherever you were speaking/writing from, rikyrah.

Nquest: BIG OOPS!! I didn't see your post. Very sorry!

No problem.

There is no words for this --it makes me mad and very sad.

Me too. I know we are going to start seeing more of this, but I'm also encouraged by the courage and outspokenness of Obama supporters (of all races).

Lilytiger: The more things CHANGE, the more they stay the same.

Sad But True!

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rikyrah: CBC in the process of choosing a new leader.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rep.-lee-on...
Rep. (Barbara) Lee On Path to Get Role As Next CBC Chairwoman

Rep. Barbara Lee, an ardent war opponent and early supporter of Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, appears to have locked up the chairmanship of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) for the 111th Congress.

The official vote won’t take place until after the elections in November, but several members say Lee (D-Calif.) is the only lawmaker running for the post.

THERE IS MORE.

Now here's where I need some assistance. What is the 411 on her? I'm reading that she opposes the war and supports Mr. Obama. Thanks.

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check with CPL about her CBC Report Card Grade

rikyrah: O.K. Thank you. :>)

Ed Rendell dogs McCain's Choice:

From Booman Tribune

Big Ed Rendell is unimpressed with Sarah Palin's political skills:

Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell dismissed Sarah Palin’s assessment that the country could be facing another Great Depression Wednesday, saying that the Alaska governor simply “didn’t have a clue” how to answer a question on the economy.
“She doesn’t give answers any more than Senator McCain does,” Rendell said on MSNBC. “The answer to that question is, we can avoid a Great Depression by doing things to stimulate the economy. And that’s one area where McCain and Palin have no ideas.”

“Governor Palin, in her response, didn't have a clue. She should have pivoted and said, ‘Well, the best way to avoid this becoming a depression is to jumpstart the economy, and here's how we're going to do it.’ They don't have an idea to jumpstart the economy.”

Rikyrah: They promised an investigation; so they're INVESTIGATIN'

http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/09/24/hou...
House Ethics Launches Investigation of Rangel

The House ethics committee said Wednesday it was establishing an investigative panel to determine whether Rep. Charles Rangel, the influential chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, had broken House rules as a result of several reported lapses in his personal affairs.

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House Republican leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, welcomed the investigation and renewed his call for Rangel to vacate his chairmanship. “During this time of economic crisis, it is not in our nation’s best interest to have the chairman of the House’s powerful tax-writing committee under investigation for unethical conduct related to his failure to comply with tax laws.”

Rangel, 78, last week wrote six checks for back taxes totaling $10,800 while stressing in a letter to New Yorkers that he had done nothing dishonorable and was the target of a GOP “guerrilla war.”

THERE'S MORE!

So what "they're" saying is that Rangel's $10,000+ has contributed to this economic crisis?? RIDICULOUS!! "THEY'RE" going after him ta show him that he CAIN'T ACT LIKE THE WHITE BOYS!! ENOUGH!!!

And, "they're" obviously warming up someone [white] for his seat!!

Lawd he'p!!

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So with the McCains not paying taxes on all their properties, wouldn't they be in the same boat as old Charlie?

nickwah22: Thank you. Same boat, EXCEPT - "McAncient" was given a paddle --privilege!

This has been my point! Mr. Rangel didn't quite figure out that - - - - - He CAIN'T. . . .

I tell my children this in order to prevent their complacency when they're on their jobs!! "I think they've got it!" :>)

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You are right GreenLady! I got complacent on my job last year and was burned. I am now more protective from here on out and it's all about c.m.o.a. Cover my own ass.

I wanna feel bad for Charlie. I really do. And maybe I do - a smidgen.

rikyrah: Because I feel for him and what's really going on, is why I keep following this case. Maybe some other brotha/sista will learn from what's happening to him.

You CAIN'T act like the white boys!

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GreenLady,

he forgot

' never give the White man the rope with which to hang you'.

You gotta at least force him to go and buy it himself.

rikyrah: LOL!! :>)