Jack & Jill Politics

Hey Rikyrah - can you embed the YouTube link that shows Morning Joe's response on Friday morning when Sarah Palin name was tossed up as the potential VP pick?

All the Repubs now have their new talking points and he is now equating Palin as having more experience than Obama when he clearly said the opposite. Hoping more blogs will post this YouTube momemt on their sites. I think this is the BEST ad for Democrats to use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbsbeY5k5k

rikyrah: Ending the day with a God Bless You - to all affected by the storms!! :>)

USAToday/Gallup poll
By UrbanAsh - September 1, 2008, 10:16PM



In the head-to-head race between the candidates, Obama now leads McCain by 50% to 43%. Last week, the Gallup poll had them tied at 44% to 43%.

On personal characteristics, Obama eliminated McCain’s advantage as “strong and decisive leader”, with a slight majority who now say this characteristic applies more to Obama: 46% to 44%. Before the convention, McCain held an 8-point advantage.

Obama now has a 13-point advantage with voters who see him as “someone who shares your values” over McCain. Before the convention, only a 6-point advantage.


Obama is also viewed as the more trustworthy of the two, with an 8-point advantage over McCain. Before the convention, the two were tied.


He has also eliminated McCain’s advantage on “handling Iraq”, with 47% now preferring Obama, and 46% McCain. Before the convention, McCain had a 9-point advantage.

Biden: Difference Between Me And Palin -- "She's Good-Looking"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/31...

“There’s a gigantic difference between John McCain and Barack Obama and between me and I suspect my vice presidential opponent,” Biden said at an outdoor rally Sunday, getting ready to hit the GOP ticket for their economic policies.

“She’s good-looking,” he quipped.

“You are gorgeous!” a female supporter in the audience shouted out. Biden asked her to repeat it into the microphone so his wife at home would hear.

James Carville is on Larry King using Props!!!!

OMG, he's showing a picture of the building in Wasilla that Sara worked out of(not sure, didn't catch that part) He said it looked like a bakery or something like that. Then the Repub spokeswoman said she thought that was offensive to women. Carville says he doesn't know how to tell her this, but he supported a woman for President.

Sigh, now they're taking up Hillary's stance.

Sara implicated in another firing?

The Reform Candidate?
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-r...

I feel you guys have reached a turning point in your elections. Even Republican bloggers are finally admitting that Obama is not an "empty suit". I've seen a couple people admit that he's earned his place through hard work. So, I guess the Palin pick has it's upside.

Barack is out of the news, it gives his team some breathing room, 'cause even though he sometimes gets more coverage, it's typically negative.

***************VIDEO********************
Amy Goodman Arrested at RNC
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ&featu...

JJP, its time for yet another new thread! LOLOL!!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09...

Confirmed by ABC News that Palin was a member of secessionist group.

Dobson Commends Palins For 'Living Out Pro-Life Values'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/dobson...

James, James, James...We in the pro-choice world, tell our children to wait, but if they ever have sex, they must use a condom. You see James, we prefer the quiet, boring life of avoided pregnancy and std. We don't want the excitement and roller coaster ride of the "Abstinence Only" lifestyle.

In the words of Bill Clinton, notorious sex fiend....."Thanks, but no thanks"

Obama's gonna kick his chubby behind...

Rove At RNC: Biden A "Big, Blowhard Doofus"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/rove-a...

*****Video******

Good questions, Arianna

Arianna On Cindy McCain's RNC Comments (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/ariann...

OMG.....Campbell is killing it!!!!

She asked Tucker Bounds to give ONE decision that Palin has made for the National Guard!!!!

He kept going back to Obama!!!!

Hahaha!!

I heard!! I was dying laughing it was so embarassing for the party!!

I came to see if anyone saw what she was saying.

I just logged on to post about that. Whe was taking him to task and made him look like a fool. H e really couldn't not answer the question about her foreign policy experience. He offered that she was the commander and chief of the National Guard. When told by Campbell that the governor does not deploy the guard in situations like Iraq, he warned that Campbell shouldn't belittle her.

saw it! It was great.

P.D.S. – “Palin Derangement Syndrome”. That is a new disease, and it has spread quicker than B.D.S. did.

Just saw Arianna Huffington on C-SPAN, giving a MAJOR "SMACK DOWN" to Tucker Carlson! :>) :>) It was FIERCE!!! :>)

She said that Palin was NOT qlified for VP on the following SUBSTANTIVE matter:

SHE IS ARCHAIC: on 3 points: 1. global warming [Palin doesn't believe that it is man-made] 2. Creationism [NOT evolution in any form] 3. NO ABORTION, even in the cases of incest or rape!

A.H. supports the "rants" of Keith Olbermann as a journalist! :>) :>) :>)

A.H. said that - "Bill O'Reilly has NO COMMITTMENT to FACTS." !!! YES SHE DID!!! :>)

Carlson had no come back!! :>) :>) :>)

Stop with the spamming.

Bill "Abort Black Babies To Lower Crime" Burton just had a hissy fit because a CNN reporter said that pro-sex ed./contraception groups would say that Palin's pro-abstinence, no sex ed., anti-contraception stance doesn't work considering her teen daughter is pregnant.

Oops! I meant Bill BENNETT!

We knew who you spoke of. AKA The Gambler. . . .

Fanstastic, what a great time you had and you met so many people. Next time, Barak, Joey, Al and John.

Enjoyed the "electric slide(s)" - CH style!! :>) :>)

Craig,

Too cool!

Dude, how tall are you? You are taller than everybody in your photos.

Crackhead McCain and Laura Bush are speaking on hurricane relief efforts and a levee in Plaquemines (sp) Parish is breaking as they speak.

The RNC (which is playing on C SPAN) is DRYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
Too many empty seats to scan the crowd.

nickwah22: ANNNNNNDD!!!!! Where da People Of Color!???? :>) :>) :>)

Waaaay Just Kidding!!! :>) :>) But I was looking for some well -respected [by the RNC] N(o)BRA members!:>) :>) Guess they are still NOT getting any SUPPORT!!! :>) :>) :>)

McCain couldn't raise enough money to Rent-A-Negro as per Field Negro's blog post. ;-)

The GOP must be poor as Job's turkey because I know plenty of black college students they could have rented out for cheap.

http://starmediapublication.blogspot.com/

Published 8/29/08
By: SMP

THE DARKSIDE OF INTERACIAL RELATIONSHIPS

Interracial relationships has been on the rise for years and years now, which most logically minded people would agree that it’s a good thing, it shows that as a society we’ve manage to grow and see beyond skin pigmentation like the other lower species on the animal kingdom hierarchy. Unfortunately, it is not the case.

Great deals of people who are involved in interracial relationships are themselves racist, who suffers from internalized racism, similar to a hate mongering separatist. Often, A lot of people in interracial relationship have an infatuation for the other races and perceive the other races as being some how better or even superior to their own, they don’t like the person that their with for the individual that he/she is but rather for the race to which the partner belongs to. For example a white woman who’s involved in such a relationship with a black men, she’s not with “Jerome” for who he is but likes him for his race and vice versa, which is no different from a Neo Nazi who hates a person not for the individual he is but simply for his race. In both circumstances, no one sees the person for who they are but rather their race. As we’ve all learned, there’s a thin line between love and hate.

A recent interracial phenomenon is black women with white men, who is really nothing new, such pairing dates back since the cotton picking plantation days, but more recently it’s received a lot of attention curtsey of Oprah and Tyra Banks shows that did a segment on that topic. More and more black women are with white men, especially the “professional” black women who cries that there’s no good eligible black men, spitting out the same rhetoric that a Grand Dragon of the KKK would that “they’re in jail, most are homosexuals and most prefers white women” which is all a pile of horse manure, there’s good men and bad men in every race, such claims is used to justified their own racist sentiment and negative perception that they have toward black men and due to that they’re with other men, not because they love that individual but because they despise his black counterpart, these women are white supremacist in dark skin, they hold the same negative stereotype toward black men as that of a imperial wizard of the Klan and utters the same vile comments.

Often these flaccid relationships are base purely on a sick fetish, although some will claim its a perference but the reality it is a fetish, what determines a fetish and perference, same thing with a nicer term. For example like lust like the Spike Lee film states it’s “Jungle Fever”, evidence of that is the racist comment that we all are familiar with that both blacks and whites say “I’ll go out with a person of another race, but I’ll never marry a person of another race”, such comments can simply be stated as being fucked up. Basically, that familiar comment means that “I can satisfy my animalistic urges with a person of another race, but I can never have a person of another race be the mother/father of my children.” One has to be a racist to hold such feelings or say such thing and too often we’ve all heard that comment being uttered and that notion has been the starting point for a lot of relationships, which is purely sick.

The worst thing is that people that are involved in interracial relationships for race sakes gives a bad name to all the good people that are with someone that they truly love and it comes out that person is of another race. The problem is not interracial relationships, it’s intra-racial racism”, because anyone who dates any race exclusively needs a shrink

John McCain's wandering eyes...............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU&feat...

I did notice him playing with his wedding ring when I watched that speech Friday..
His wife was right behind him - no shame this man.

VERY TRASHY

TRAILER PARK-ISH

BEVERLY GOES HILLIBILLIES

COULDN'T OF SAID IT BETTER

LMAO @ the previous comment...

"WHO'S THE BABY MOMMA NOW?"

Hilarious......keep it going!!

I'm sorry but this is a disgustingly poor image for the Palin's. What? Sarah was too busy induldging herself in her family scandal to tell her daughter have him strap on a condom?! No it's NOT OKAY to be 17 and pregnant. Teenage pregnancy is not a positive statement, so the family should stop sugar coating it like it is!

Very trashy Bristol!

********VIDEO**********

This is so damned funny!!!

P.U.M.A. Hunting
http://www.236.com/blog/w/katie_halper/puma_hun...

Damn they were stupid! LOL!

So Palin's daughter is pregnant? COME ON! This little blurb from an AP article about this tells the TRUE tale:

John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's.

A statement released by the campaign said that Bristol Palin will keep her baby and marry the child's father. Bristol Palin's baby is due in late December.

So much for the Abstinence Only illogic that the VP pick claims to espouse.

Sepia: I'm "doing the math!" "Waiting To Exhale" in DECEMBER!!

"Here Comes Santa Claus" with his bundle!! :>) :>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5-OC_5rksk

No wait. . . It's a Palin with HER BUNDLE! :>)

Whew!! Really shaking her head Deep Breaths!! :>) :>)

Yea...Palin is a great member of the NRA since her daughter will now be having a shotgun wedding....haha....sorry, Obama does not have to touch it and he should not but I will. The hypocrisy stinks !!

I love all the excuses that people are making for them.

Lol....

They made it seem like the black community is somehow aberrant with sexual matters and teenage pregnancy.

Am I the only one who finds the McCain-Palin ticket to be the most trailer park, backwoods type ticket ever?? Seriously, it doesn't matter how much money they have, the McCain's reek of an episode of Mama's Family. Now throw in the Palin clan, and geez.....its like the Beverly Hillibillies go to Washington.

Yeah...they're ....ghetto.

I thought so, but didn't want to say it, having used up my "bitch" points.

But really, does Cindy look like the cool, classy blond heiress? Naw, she looks like new money in very poor taste....the big, overblond hair and harsh makeup. And John with the nasty jokes about Chelsea and the "C" word... UGH.

Isn't it ironic, though?

ghetto?


lol

Ha!...In Canada, black is white, and up is down.

Um, no you're not.

Get this....

SARAH PALIN'S DAUGHTER, 17 YEARS OF AGE IS UNWED AND PREGNANT...

Can you imagine if this was one of the Obama girls at 17?

::shakes ones head::

And they're gonna force that child to get married to save face...po thang....and I'm still convinced this is baby #2.....its textbook, that cry for attention wasn't met with baby #1. I've seen this entire episode play out before with a close friend and her family.

yeah, I posted the same thing over on DKos and some white chick ran in and said that it actually does make it untrue. So I left it alone because, liberal or not, white folks always have to be right and they always defend their own.

Obama: 'Back Off'

At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor and/or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."

He also vows to fire any campaign staffer that stokes this story, and obviously isn't happy with the implication his campaign had anything to do with the story:

"I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."

So Ruth's post yesterday was accurate in the sense that any blowback re a Katie Holmes type faked pregnancy and the VP pick would be on the Obama/Biden campaign.

Lets just hope that baby #1 wasn't a product of incest.. I will be watching the interaction the family has with Mr. Palin closely.

WOW. That is more than below the belt. Incest? Really? There is no evidence to base this statement on whatsoever. This is a teenage girl we are talking about here. I just can't even believe this.

Have things taken an interesting and somewhat bizarre turn? Yes. But if people start falling into a pattern of putting innocent people down and making absurd accusations and innuendo, then are they really any better then the extreme right wing?

I feel like the majority of people take what they get from the "leaders" of our country. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck; regardless of what they want to call it. It doesn't smell right to me.

This race has been extremely skeptical of everything Obama because he was such an "unknown." This woman comes out of nowhere with a very questionable family life and no one is supposed to comment on it because it's "off limits?" Why wasn't Michelle off limits but Cindy was?

Calling it like I see it, but I can understand your p.o.v.

nickwah22: This statement FITS with CPL's new thread - DOUBLE STANDARDS!! Good one!! :>) :>)

Obama's leads hold in POLLS

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/13442/82...

This is really good news!

rikyrah: Yaaaaaa!! :>) :>) Whooo!!! Hoooo!!! :>) :>) :>)

So Sarah just announced her 17 year old daughter is pregnant and will be getting married soon. So is this the second child from the product of an abstinence upbringing or the first? This is getting interesting, at least for me now that I am more Independent the Republican. However my Republican mom (yes black like me) is grasping for every talking point possible to explain Sarah.

so i was curious to see how this was playing out on the conservative circuit (because conveniently for mccain the news media is preoccupied with roadblocked coverage of gustav) and i visited a few of their more mainstream blogs...the overt racialization of the commentary is almost mindblowing. granted, i see things on the left sites (kos and here included) sometimes that i find a little extreme to my personal views but it's generally ideological and not racially offensive. one thing i did find interesting is the constant references to obama's "punished with a baby" statement as rebuttal. honestly, i dont expect obama to touch this with a 10foot pole...his surrogates are another story.

it just goes to show that had one of the obama daughters come out as pregnant, there would be no "oh what a blessing" talk going around as it is for palin.

Obama's comments on the pregnancy are below:

At a press availability in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama said: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor and/or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."

On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:

"I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."

JJai: and there you are!!! :>) :>)

Good post!! :>) Thanks JJai! :>) :>)

You know I think we are up and arms but as long as Trig is not confirmed as Bristol's mom then conservatives will still be pleased. They will say that family has ultimately made the best decisions, parenthood, and etc. in face of indiscretions. Twice the family chose life. The base will eat that up.

The scope of the campaign for a while anyway is firmly focused on abortion, abstinence, and etc. Not necessarily a good place for dems...

So far, I think it is still a win for McCain.

IF McSame knew Grandma Alaska's daughter was pregnant before he offered her the VP slot, it's real cute for him to announce this in the middle of a hurricane. The story is not being covered on television at all!

I still say Grandma Alaska will be off the ticket before the convention ends.

that makes is worse Parker404 that means he deliberately participated in the effort to deceive the American people.

It wouldn't be the first time. He continues to go along with Bush's deceptive war.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soledad mentioned it earlier.

Thomas Eagleton anyone?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,917...

Yes, my Gen X and Gen Y family and friends are fascinated when I tell them the story of Thomas Eagleton. Now you know he should have told them that he had been in what was then widely known as the insane asylum. He wasn't deeply vetted either and McGovern wanted someone who wasn't a 'name' senator, unlike McCaint who allowed the neo-con moral majority leader(s) and that fat a** drug addict (Limbo) to choose his running mate.

I was in the 11th grade that year.

From the Jed Report:

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/mccain-turning...
McCain Turning Gustav Into a Campaign Event

Really?? Ya think????

Wait a minute. . . . . Is HE the POTUS????

If so, he'd better JOIN that FAKE one hiding out in Texas!! :>) :>)

Arianna Huffington weighs in:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffingto...
Saving The GOP and the UNBEARABLE Lightness of Being Sarah Palin

Favorite line [among many]: "Palin is notable for what she DOESN"T BRING: A TRACK RECORD!!! :>) :>) :>)

Brrrrrrrrrrr! Please hand me my FUR JACKET!!! :>) :>)

Oh wait. . .. . That was my "fake" one wasn't it?? :>) :>) :>) My "real" one was given BACK to the animal! :>) :>) :>)

Sarah Palin's teenage daughter 5 month pregnant. Talk about NOT VETTING.
Here

Sorry, I keep going back if it was one of Obama's daughters, better yet, this reeks of Britney Spears lil sis having a baby this young on a tween/teen show on Nickolodean.

We look up to the first and second families of this country as GOLD. This pregnancy is like putting lipstick on a pig. Reeks.

lipstick on a pig.

You and me both, iceberg, about what if this were Malia or Sasha.

Yeah, we know what the reaction would be.

With the REPUGS, you can never separate truth from fiction. This could be fiction. Months from now we may hear that Bristol has lost the baby. At this point, I am suspect of anything which comes from them. Who knows?

jelana: ". . lost the baby." Then will she loose the "FAUX Husband"???? :>) :>)

Joining you in the drink of "cynicism" - aide! :>) :>) :>)

What will all of those parents who complained about the example 17 year old Nickelodeon "Zoey 101" star Jamie Lynn Spears set? How about the parents upset over non-pregnant 15 year old Miley Cyrus's sexy Leibovitz shots in Vanity Fair?

Obama's vetting team was vetted!

Lynn Sweet, Chicago Sun Times: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/carolin...

Obama's Veep Vetter Jim Johnson Steps Down After Controversy

After this morning's flurry of controversy over Jim Johnson, one of the committee members selected by Barack Obama to help him choose a running mate, Johnson has stepped down from the position. The former Fannie Mae CEO (and Washington power broker) was under attack from conservative critics from the moment The Wall Street Journal revealed that he had accepted below-market-rate mortgages from Countrywide Financial. At first, Obama defended him, saying it would take too much energy to "vet the vetters," but this afternoon he let Johnson resign.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/obamas_vp_...

McCain camp's response: Jim Johnson Resigns From Obama Camp

From the McCain campaign:

"Jim Johnson's resignation raises serious questions about Barack Obama's judgment. Selecting the vice presidential nominee is the most important decision a presidential candidate can make and one even Barack Obama has said will 'signal how I want to operate my presidency.' By entrusting this process to a man who has now been forced to step down because of questionable loans, the American people have reason to question the judgment of a candidate who has shown he will only make the right call when under pressure from the news media. America can't afford a president who flip-flops on key questions in the course of 24 hours. That's not change we can believe in." —McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTVhND...

Obama would have NEVER gotten away with selecting a VP with a 17-yr-old unmarried pregnant daughter. And there is no way in hell he would be where he is today if he had an unmarried teen daughter.

NYT: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/p...

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy...

Anovelista: Good analysis!! U R good!! :>) :>)

MSM criticized the Obamas for allowing their girls to be interviewed (with them) by Access Hollywood. Talk about bad parenting, Grandma Alaska is flying all over the country campaigning for an office for which she is not qualified while her children are obviously left to fend for themselves.

parker404: Interesting - ". . . her children are obviously LEFT to fend for themselves." 'cause this raises the question -

WHERE IS "GRANDPA ALASKA"?????????

And a follow-up question: "Whycome" he has made NO statements regarding his wife????

And a final question: Will "Grandpa Alaska" speak at the RNC Convention??? :>)


Editorial Response: "Hell to the naw!: He's been muzzled all this time. His role in the family - Make that oil money and the babies and STFU!!! :>) :>
[My spell checker just cain't keep up! :>)] More therapy! :>) :>)

He doesn't need to speak. He needs to worry about the rest of his babies having babies.

Biden needs to rush to a store that sells chastity belts ASAP! We can't take any chances.

nickwah22: LOL! :>) :>) :>) :>)

I get the impression that Grandpa Alaska is not that smart. He doesn't really look like he'd be a public speaker.

When Grandma Alaska was running for Mayor (I believe) she told voters and the press that her husband was going to stay home to take care of the kids. Apparently, that only lasted for a year or so.

parker404: My impression also from seeing just 1 picture! That's why I was looking for a confirmation! Oh well! All in due time!! :>) :>)

OTOH: How is a "house-husband" making money??? Family Leave Act Subsidy???? :>) :>) :>)

Which RAISES another VETTING QUESTION??

Aren't ALL American candidates REQUIRED to SHARE their financial records with somebody??? [I'm losing the concept!! Sorry.]
Both billary & Mr. Obama PUBLICLY shared their TAX RETURNS!!

Come ta think about it - I never heard any thing from "McAncient"!!

And Palin - wellllllll!

So what's the deal???? Looking for input - really!! Thanks! :>) :>)

icebergslim: ". . . lipstick on a pig." The imagery - - PRICELESS!!! :>) :>) :>)

It's courtesy of the late Ann Richards, God rest her soul:

"You can put lipstick and earrings on a hog and call it Monique, but it's still a pig.''

"I've always said that in politics, your enemies can't hurt you, but your friends will kill you."

Eh hee.

99% Sure: Thank you!! :>) :>) Appreciate this information!! :>) :>)

Who's a baby momma now?

Well folks it turns out Palin's daughter is pregant: now and will be marrying the baby's daddy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN294...

lololol

They say her daughter is 5 months pregnant. I don't believe it. I think the initial reaction was true. This is just too funny. I want to see how the conservative base reacts to this tidbit. RAOTFLMAO

You would think, after the first child, they would invest in some birth control!

No can do; they are "Abstinence Only" peeps. :)

Nickwah22: On another post, it was reported that SHE doesn't "believe" in birth control i.e., condoms. etc.] EVEN within marriage!! :>) :>)

Whew! Shaking her head Deep Breaths!! :>) :>)

5 months.....I'm skeptical.

'Tis rather convenient at least, particularly if we are to believe that just 6 months ago, the VP pick birthed a baby. Now, personally, I don't know nothing about birthin' no babies, but doing the math, this would mean that the teen daughter was fornicating and got pregnant a month after - argh!!!

Never mind, this is too much work and I ain't that deep into really.

Whatever.

Oh, and she's apparently announced that she hired a lawyer for troopergate 2 weeks ago.

Palin's lawyer Tom Van Flein has told NBC news he was actually hired two weeks ago before Palin was selected to be John McCain's running mate. And this is a point that he thinks is significant, he represents both Governor Palin and the Office of the Governor because there is no council in house that represents the governor there. In essence, the lawyer's saying that the Associated Press may have been overstating this story a bit by pronouncing that she hired a private practice attorney.

The quote is a report by Dan Abrams on MSNBC.

Ahh....Why deal with all the drama, America? Isn't the NORMAL Barack Obama and Michelle Obama and their two normal kids looking mighty fine to you? Isn't the predictably decent, widowed and remarried Joe Biden looking just fine? Why go through the 3 ringed circus, America?

SKIP THE DRAMA, VOTE OBAMA!!!!!

Surely America doesn't want the Clampetts and the Ewings running the country...can they?

Hey, hey, hey - leave the Clampetts out of it; they were authentic, honest backwoods people who got rich from bubbling crude and moved to Bever-lee Hills, but their basic character never changed. :)

This is more like the Ewings v. the Barnes, or the family in-fighting between JR, Bobby, and Gary.

Fuckin' A!

Val: "RAOTFLMAO" Move over!! I need ta share a piece of that floor!! :>) :>) :>)

Barack Obam on Stephanie Tubbs Jones.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/

Check this out. Looks like trouble might be brewing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-...

Here's a comment by MOSPDC that sums it up:

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Let me make sure I got this straight. SHE is trying to enforce a policy that she can't enforce in her own household? Lady you need to govern your house before trying to manage mine.

this is what must be gotten out to the American woman.

I agree with you on this issue. It really beginning to heat on this issue concerning the Rep. VP

Good morning all! Welcome back, CraigH.

I'm a little riled so excuse my abruptness but when white people talk about how Biden should be gentle with McCaint's VP pick at the debate, it gets me riled. This entitled white women because she's a beautiful delicate flower program is way out of hand. I posted the following comment over on DKos.

Bullfeathers. If she were a black woman - or Latino - man or woman - this sensitivity to her gender ("don't go after the bunny?") wouldn't even be a consideration, not even on this site. This is what gets me riled about white people in relation to white women.

She's playing in the major, MAJOR leagues. What was it HRC said during the primaries about Obama - if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, as she threw the kitchen sink at him?

This coddling of white chicks even when they're out of their league or rude or nasty or just plain being the typical entitled white chick always infuriates me because I know - my personal and professional experience has taught me - that not one white person would be carefully strategizing as to how to handle a black man or woman with as few credentials as she possesses, even if, by some modern American miracle they found themselves in her place.

White chicks - especially those perceived to be attractive - are allowed to get away with saying and doing most anything no matter how ignorant and offensive and degrading, while other whites apologize for them, treating them as delicate flowers even in the rough and tumble of politics.

If, say, the repug version of a Michelle Obama had been the choice, there would be one of this strategizing on how Biden must best approach her during the debate so as not to hurt her itty-bitty feelings or appear to be crushing her, because she's a gentle flower whose womanhood must be respected. This is all utter crap and always has been.

Joe should kick the feces out of her in the debates. She's unqualified to be VP under any circumstances, and that needs to be pointed out. She's competing in the big boys' arena, she's a longstanding member of the NRA, she hunts moose and probably caribou, so she at least ought to understand blood sports - and politics is definitely a blood sport. If she doesn't get it or if it is too rough for her, then that's just too bad. After all, she didn't have to accept the offer to be McCaint's running mate.

I agree with Biden's Momma - Bloody her nose (figuratively speaking of course)!

PREACH

I agree. I don't think however, Joe should do it condescendingly. He shouldn't belittle her....as she may try to do with him. (See video's of her debating posted in open thread). Joe strikes me as a gentleman, now that I've seen his family. He's not going to bluster and put her down. I think he will forcefully stick to the issues. Let her be the one to be sexist and insulting.

That's another angle - if (and I do mean if) she makes it to the veep debate with Biden, she could cause problems for herself if he is seen as a gentleman and she is seen as snarky or condescending.

SPOT ON!! You nailed it! Which article/diary was this comment on?

Good morning, Miranda, and thanks. It's on The Lazio Fallacy diary.

D I read your blog. As of right now, I am exhausted on Palin, but I feel compelled to respond to your post. I have nothing against this woman, but by picking her as VP this gives me a better understanding of who McCain is.

1) His "Country First" theme is a crock. By picking Palin, he did not put country first, he put politics first. And it makes him seem that much more hypocritical by accusing Obama of willing to "lose a war to win an election."

2) He doesn't value the role of the vice presidency. I cannot reconcile your candidate's previous statements about the seriousness of the issues we face as a country with choosing a candidate that really has no stances on said issues--and in the words of his former surrogate, "will learn at his knee."

3) He doesn't respect women. By pushing the theme that Palin is picking up where Hillary left off is insulting to my intelligence. I get that she is the darling of the Republican party; but she is a poor man's Hillary and you and I both know it. What McCain has basically said to women voters is any uterus will do.

4) He makes decisions in a reckless fashion. How do you reconcile the fact that as one commenter put it, some people have spent more time getting to know their new digital camera then McCain spent getting to know Palin. He literally met her maybe once or twice before. And now he calls them "soulmates"?!?

As this race has unfolded, I have rejected the constant theme that it is Obama that is the risky choice, since apparently we "know" what a McCain presidency will look like. As of this weekend, I now have a better understanding of both candidates. Obama chose a running mate that will help him govern the country and hit the ground running, even if it cut against his campaign slogan of "change". McCain chose a running mate to appeal to his base and pick up votes by playing gender politics. He is no more a "maverick" than I am.

I no longer have faith in his ability to govern this country.

TRW: This post is Soooo good!! Cogent analysis!!! :>)

I tried to pick my "favorite" point that you posed! :>)

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I haven't lost faith in McCain to govern and lead the nation, though there is a "shoot first; ask later" aspect to this pick.

That's McCain's style, though. Concerning on a few levels, but not unexpected.

I don't think her selection is disrespectful to women. If anything, it says to me that a woman without name recognition or riches (on the level of the Clintons) can be no less successful. You can respect what Palin represents without liking her...but many women will get wrapped up in her politics and vilify her because they don't agree (we're seeing that already). Unfortunate, but that's our world.

I'm not as enthusiastic as I was on, say, Friday. But the top half of the ticket still works.

How is the pick not disrespectful to women though? I'm not knocking the fact that she is relatively unknown, or that her story is atypical in politics (with regards to having name recognition, money, and power to get elected), I think that is great because it shows that those barriers may finally be coming down; what I am knocking is the fact that she and McCain are trying to brand her as Hillary 2.0.

I can reconcile the two. Female governor of Alaska--I say more power to her--gives young women hope that they to can become elected to office. But leaving that aside, as I must because I do not subscribe to identity politics, her views on abortion, sex-ed education, and lack of views on foreign policy leave much to be desired. I guess its the other side of the coin with you and Obama. You have discussed your admiration for the way he has built his political organization and the fact that he is making history, but it doesn't change the differences that you have with his policy positions.

Why should it be any different for this woman? I guess I just find it interesting that some of the same people that weren't willing to give Obama an inch on anything just a couple of days ago, want me to close my eyes and ears to the reality of what Palin stands for.

I don't get the Hillary 2.0 brand. She doesn't compare to her at all. Hillary is a....um, fighter. Palin I can't really see getting too heated.

Your problem seems to be more with her beliefs than her selection. Nothing wrong with that.

I think some people are upset with Palin's selection because it shows that liberals may or may not have the lock on feminism that they once had. The optimistic side of me wants to believe that this is the GOP's real attempt to move away from their old guard, and that women are gonna have their seat at the table.

Well, sort of. Leaving her politics aside, I just find it troubling that she is being used as a political tool. This whole thing makes me uncomfortable. I don't think the Dems have the lock on "feminism" (whatever that means) per se, it just seems like this whole thing is a gimmick. I truly question whether she would have been picked if she weren't a woman. I honestly don't think so, which means a Republican candidate doesn't have a problem using a woman to gain votes to get into political office.

I understand that you view it differently.

I don't know....would a person with Palin's resume been picked were they not a woman? Probably not; that would've led you to Pawlenty or Jindal.

I guess the reason I'm not seeing the offensiveness of it all is because other women's names for floated as McCain's VP. My wife sees it for what it is, and she's not offended (and she's about as apolitical as they come).

Would you be as upset if some other woman-one of the Whitmans, Fiorina-had been chosen?

I have heard both names floated around as better picks then Palin, but honestly I don't know much about either so while I may still feel like there is some pandering going on, if their resume stacked up, at least I would think that McCain was serious about the choice.

But honestly, I guess I am still smarting from the primary. I respect Hillary as a competent public servant. But, I was really ticked off by a lot of the sexism accusations and the "feminism" mantle that was being displayed. It just seemed like in the name of both, some people were willing to overlook some pretty ridiculous behavior and ultimately it undermines the whole argument about empowering women.

I just don't want to be used in that way. Pick me for the job because you think that I am the best and most competent, not because I have a uterus and you believe I can generically relate to all women. The same should go for political candidates.

I just think that identity politics can be a dangerous thing. Look at that whole Nikki Tinker situation--Black and a woman, but clearly not the person to do the job.

I think he's serious....I'm just not sure he made the best pick.

I think some people are upset with Palin's selection because it shows that liberals may or may not have the lock on feminism that they once had.

There is nothing "feminist" about Palin. Are you suggesting that because she's a woman, she's feminist??!! There is absolutely nothing about her positions or beliefs that are feminist.

What her selection does, is confirm that Republicans DO have a lock on cynicism and political expediency. The idea that Female=Feminist...shows a stunning lack of understanding of what Feminism means.

Sarah cannot represent women, she already represents the most extreme misogynistic, religious extremist, anti woman viewpoint.

Didn't you get the memo? The only thing you need to be feminist is a womb.

and lily white skin . . . .

I was thinking the same thing - what in the world is feminist about her. With her views on abortion, the feminist will quickly turn from Barack to handle her.

I guess he thinks we are stupid enough to equate palin = woman = feminist = someone who cares about women. NOT! Palin = conservative religious zeal = above her own higher power's decision to grant free will = disaster.

Ha! good one.

I was thinking about your earlier comment about Bristol looking heavy around the waist.. when the news broke about her pregnancy. They say she's 5 months pregnant.

I have always been able to tell when a woman is pregnant. I've seen pictures of Sarah Palin from an april event, and she wasn't pregnant; sure she had a belly bump but her face showed no indication at all that she was with child. Earlier pictures of her where someone noted that the hairstyle was from the eighties definitely show pregnancy througout her face and the rest of her body. A woman 44 years of age would no doubt show pregnancy with an increased weight gain and fatigue that a younger woman would not.

Also, she would have been advised to take it easy for six weeks after that delivery that she didn't have and she would still show that weight at her age. I don't know who Palin and McCain think they're bullshitting. Women accross the country know better than this story.

She is the grandmother of that child. A woman is more likely to become pregnant in the six weeks following a delivery and without some form of birth control or abstinence usually does because they are in a europhic, hormonal loving state and usually engage in with relations with the husband or father of the child. It is more likely that a teenager not thinking of the outcome would do this and this is the reason for so many repeat teen pregnancies.

Damn, remember I said she was holding the baby like a shield? Damn, now I see that footage again, and she was using the baby and blanket to hide her stomach!

Lesson: always trust your intuition.

I remember you said she was holding the baby like a shield. I guess they guessed we figured it out so they went ahead and admitted it.

I agree about the likelyhood of a teen becoming pregnant again right away.

Breastfeeding would provide some contraceptive protection, but a teen is less likely to choose to breastfeed.

This is about Sarah, not Bristol. This is about voters being mad about politicians lying to portray themselves as something they're not!

Candy Crowly is saying they're talking about this in the hallways at the GOP convention.

Matalin is saying "this is what families go through"....well great, that they should be the party that wants to make women's lives unbearable. Then she says to Donna "you go, girl".....UGH!

I didn't proof my work, but you get the point.

"It is more likely that a teenager not thinking of the outcome would do this and this is the reason for so many repeat teen pregnancies."

This is so that second child of Bristol's. You can't make me believe otherwise.

TRW: Co-signing! :>)

You cannot separate the man from his actions. The things you term "style" imply recklessness, adolescence, immaturity, frivolity... Those things are not style, they're substance.

Women are deeply offended by this. Women are not only angry at the Old Boy network, they are angry at how Old Boys in positions of power, pit women against each other, by elevating the unqualified, younger woman over the hard working older woman. It is the narrative that plays out in divorce where a loyal wife is replaced with the blond bimbo. Women are not happy with this.

Sarah Palin's world view is villainous to women, and anyone who believes in human rights.

But if she believed as you do-or most liberals do-she'd be just great, wouldn't she?!

No, she wouldn't. Maybe you're intentionally being obtuse about this, but the simple fact is that she is unqualified to even be governor let alone run on the presidential ticket. She does not have the bonafides. I guarantee you that if any other neo-con woman with the experience of say a Whitman (even with her baggage) or a Hutchison or Bay Buchanan had been chosen, not only would the discussion be totally different, but his choice would demonstrate to 'liberals' and neo-cons alike that, perhaps, McCaint does indeed have the gravitas, the temperament and the judgment to be president.

Not vetting her, being bullied into choosing her by his moral majority/fundie religious right enemy, Dobson, shows that he is weak that, 30 years later, he is now a POW of a different sort - he's a Prisoner of the Wingnuts.

You can't always break everything down into an us v. them dynamic - politics isn't always that clear cut. Sometimes it's just about quality and qualifications, no matter the differences in ideology.

She ain't qualified and she got the wonk eye of crazy too, with bucked saucer sized eyes just like the runaway bride of a few years ago, the one who claimed to have been ravished by a Mexican man. I'll bet she was a repug too.

Tell that to the people who elected her; obviously they thought she was qualified.

Some people-as I said earlier-would've hated any conservative woman being put on the ticket, as their belief system (whatever it may be) wouldn't have made them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The discussion would still be the same as the one we're having now: liberals would be all up in arms about who had whose baby and who's pregnant now.

Now, I'll admit that I'm not following the McCain campaign as closely as I once was (for multiple reasons), but I haven't seen/heard/read anything to suggest that he was bullied into picking Palin by anyone. It seems like he made the decision on his own; that he feels that she's qualified. People will agree or disagree based on the issues as presented to them. And if they don't feel she is, then they won't vote for McCain.

If all the case against Sarah Palin consists of is her lack of experience, so be it (though I'm not sure that's the best argument to make, all things considered). But from where I sit, the hatred (call it what it is) seems to be more often than not based in ideology that on quality/qualifications.

That narrative of the abandoned woman has been playing out between Obama and Hillary....to the Republican benefit.

The genius McCain campaign has clumsily reinvigorated that ugly fight...now, between the McCain campaign and Democratic women! Not a smart move.

Yes, if she believed as I do, I would think she's great. Democrats and sane people do not ascribe to beliefs they find personally repugnant.

Course you would. So, in reality, you'd be upset with ANY conservative woman that was picked, since they don't subscribe to your viewpoint.

That kind of thinking doesn't merit further response from me.

There you go trying to read my mind again...

Respond...or not. And, I'll try not to cry myself to sleep over that one.

TruthSeeker: SPOT ON, as usual!!! :>) :>) :>)

D: "SHOOT first; ask later. . " How would that play out in Alaska????
There are all kinds and levels of ANIMAL PRESERVATION laws! :>) :>)

Secondly: What is the building behind you? Thanks! :>)

It'd go over quite well, I think.

That's at the main gate to the base in Guantanamo Bay. The building marks the entrance into Cuban territory (the sign says "territory free of America).

Does Ms. Palin know that Hillary is a Scorpio? My birthday is the day before Sen. Clinton - We don't play...

Tee hee hee...

Howard Wolfson is on board. HOWARD WOLFSON!!!

This article, I must admit is great. He's a good writer.

Excerpts...

Most of us never heard him speak in person. At work 14 hours a day in the war room, we focused on his perceived faults and deficiencies. Our time was spent sharpening and advancing arguments. Skepticism was critical to our efforts. Insulated from Obamamania, I met few Obama supporters and distanced myself from the ones I knew. I lived this way for 18 months.

From the outside, our loss may have seemed inevitable for months, but inside the campaign we simply kept going. Each late victory brought false hope. We were finally doing too well to stop, but never well enough to win. We fought so long because we believed so strongly in our candidate; sustained by the passions of our supporters, we hoped that, as long as we kept moving, we could keep failure at bay.

I think this is an honest assessment. Despite their nasty tactics.

Then came Thursday night at Invesco Field. During the campaign, we scoffed at events like this, mostly because we were not capable of producing them. A cross section of voters waited for hours to enter the stadium and take their seats. As one friend put it, it looked more like an American convention than the convention of any particular political party.

Clinton delegates greeted one another with tears and hugs and were greeted in turn by Obama delegates. Several Obama supporters took my hand to thank me for what the Clintons had said that week, urging that they stay involved in the campaign. Every so often, I would simply look around me, amazed at the significance not just of the day but of the entire campaign.

Another honest admission: scoff at what you can't do yourself.

No one in recent history had attempted this kind of a political conversation with 75,000 people. Barack Obama pulled it off.

For 18 months, I listened to Obama on television, sometimes intently, often just barely -- background noise to a running series of conference calls and meetings and e-mails.

In person, my attention undivided, I saw something of what so many others had seen for so long.

Progress in America is never cheap, and even today history exacts a price for Obama's victory -- the dreams of electing the first female president, the dreams of so many who rushed toward Hillary Clinton on rope lines across America and refused to give up her hand and their hopes. Today these dreams are giving way to another kind of progress.

For me, the presidential campaign began in a crowded Iowa hall, where I saw a man my age lift up a daughter around my daughter's age and tell her that one day she could be president. Last week things came nearly full circle, when I saw another man my age lift up another child and say the very same thing.

Wow. If Barack won over this man, he may yet win over the unwinnable.

Howard Wolfson also has his own blog - Gotham Acne http://gothamacme.com/

This is a great find, Craig! I moseyed on over to his blog, and discovered he isn't an ogre and has a love of music.

OMG, Howard drank the cool aid!

apparently cornel west and dr. juliane malveux hated barack's speech (appearance on tavis smiley's show). do they have a point?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtNi_kVQd0&eurl...

Most succinct comment on that video:

Ichibanjohnjon (1 hour ago)

I don't get these muthafuckas at all

LOL!

I saw maybe two minutes of it before I stopped watching so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt. This is the problem that I have with some Obama supporters. They don't listen to the things he says, and then criticize him for failing to live up to his expectations.

Since Barack has been running, he has NEVER made this election about him being the first Black nominee of a major political party, so why would he now? He has tried his best to move past the identity politics framework. He has also said that his run is not about him, it is about the American people.

I rarely agree with Al Sharpton, but he made a salient point a couple of weeks ago. He basically said that some people are expecting Obama to be a civil rights activist when he is not. Far from it; so they will be continually disappointed when Barack doesn't frame issues in ways that they think is appropriate.

And when I think about it, isn't Barack the embodiment of MLK's speech. If MLK's whole message is that he wanted Americans to be able to judge each other, not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character--isn't that what Barack is trying to do. I'm just really frustrated that people always seem to invoke MLK, but forget the essence of his message.

But that's just me.

Excellent points... very well put.

Yes, they have a point.

A point that completely misses the point of what Barack did.

The tribute to Martin Luther King, Jr came from two of his children earlier in the event. His set design was a send-up to "I Have a Dream" by referencing the Lincoln Memorial. And calling him the "preacher from Georgia" didn't reduce MLK to anything.

I saw Barack's eyes roll and his shoulder's tremble when he called forth MLK's spirit at the end of his speech. That's what being there in person can allow you to see.

Barack brought it, make no mistake, despite these two's cynical overanalysis.

And for them to suggest that folks didn't cry during and after this speech is simply a lie.

We were weeping.

When Barack's every move is analyzed by Black folks as "appealing to white folks" I tend to not take it all that seriously.

Ta-Nehisi Coates's take on Malveaux and West http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives...

Thank you Craig. I was literally captivated by the speech, and the history of the moment. I couldn't take my eyes away because I was just so overwhelmed with what was going on. I am really starting to believe that we are our own worst enemy. No joke.

This whole, "appealing to White folks" argument is one of the main reasons why some people can't get things done in the Black community. Some Black people have become so lazy with setting up White people and racism in general as the cause for all that ills the Black community, that they are failing to see what is right in front of their eyes.

To my mind, Dr. Cornel West and Dr. Juliane Malveaux are the Uppity Negro characters in this tale.

They need to get a grip. If they want to continue to exalt the Clintons over Barack Obama, that's their right.

But I see them.

They are what author Norman Kelley calls 'the niggerati.'

99% Sure: Love it! :>) :>)

In a word, yes.

In a word, no.

I saw Obama & Biden on 60 minutes last night and they looked great together. They look like a natural team.

Yes, it was very good. Very real. And they work well as a team. Just makes me want to work even harder to get them elected.

Texas: Me 2! :>) :>)

Prayers to all in the areas affected by Hurricane Gustav. It's unfortunate that this has been made into another moment for political posturing, but we know that God is on our nation's side, and not that of any political party.

It's unfortunate that this has been made into another moment for political posturing, but we know that God is on our nation's side, and not that of any political party.

So, god takes sides with Nations, but not with political parties?

Is god on Iran's side?

Are you so viscerally partisan that you believe that God would send a storm to benefit a political party or candidate?

Really?

I guess I could play this stupid game and say that maybe the dhimmicratic governor during Katrina-oh, let's forgive her and just blame Bush-had to be voted out and replaced by a Republican in order to get a decent response plan in place.

See how stupid that sounds?

But, fear not-most of my countrymen will thank God that the storm does not seem to be as bad as feared and have the intelligence to leave the politics out of it.

Are you so viscerally partisan that you believe that God would send a storm to benefit a political party or candidate?

I am Atheist, D...I don't believe in god as you understand it. So, your question doesn't make sense.

I do have an interest in symbolism, mythology, consciousness and some aspects of quantum physics. And, it is through those lenses that I sometimes observe events.

Being partisan is not a bad thing when you're on the side of justice and fairness. The hurricanes have much to do with energy policy and global warming. The flooding has to do with lack of funding for adequate levees.

I won't thank god...but I was thankful to see the headline that Gustav had delivered only a passing glance to New Orleans. However, it was just reported that a levee is breaking as we speak. They are rushing to evacuate everyone.

As for your nationalism...You do know that Canadians took Americans into their homes when planes were grounded after 9/11, don't you?

I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse.

The levee that's in danger of breaking is a private one-meaning not owned by the city or the federal government. Most people in the area-some 2 million-have already been evacuated in what's being suggested is the largest evacuation operation in the country's history.

And, yeah, I know that. Just as I know that several hundred of your country's servicemen have given their lives in the War on Terror. I can only hope that you afford them the measure of respect that you refuse to afford to my brothers and sisters in uniform.

But somehow, I doubt that you do.

I'm not trying to soothe you.

There you have me, because "levee" and "private" don't mix, in my philosophy. Levees and flood control are public affairs. And, no one should expect private entities to protect the public good. It's creating some cognitive dissonance.

"War on Terror" is not part of Canadian consciousness. I think of our soldiers more as peacekeepers rather than waging active war per se.

You are relegating warriors to the ranks of the emotionally needy. They care not what I think. I suspect it is your own neediness; therefore, speak only for yourself.

My sister has a full house now with 6 of my family members here in Dallas, and I have 2 friends from NOLA with me, and 2 of my aunts are supposedly headed to Dallas.

So it's gonna be a hectic week

Be safe, and hope everyone is well.

http://starmediapublication.blogspot.com/

Published 8/29/08
By: SMP

THE DARKSIDE OF INTERACIAL RELATIONSHIPS

Interracial relationships has been on the rise for years and years now, which most logically minded people would agree that it’s a good thing, it shows that as a society we’ve manage to grow and see beyond skin pigmentation like the other lower species on the animal kingdom hierarchy. Unfortunately, it is not the case.

Great deals of people who are involved in interracial relationships are themselves racist, who suffers from internalized racism, similar to a hate mongering separatist. Often, A lot of people in interracial relationship have an infatuation for the other races and perceive the other races as being some how better or even superior to their own, they don’t like the person that their with for the individual that he/she is but rather for the race to which the partner belongs to. For example a white woman who’s involved in such a relationship with a black men, she’s not with “Jerome” for who he is but likes him for his race and vice versa, which is no different from a Neo Nazi who hates a person not for the individual he is but simply for his race. In both circumstances, no one sees the person for who they are but rather their race. As we’ve all learned, there’s a thin line between love and hate.

A recent interracial phenomenon is black women with white men, who is really nothing new, such pairing dates back since the cotton picking plantation days, but more recently it’s received a lot of attention curtsey of Oprah and Tyra Banks shows that did a segment on that topic. More and more black women are with white men, especially the “professional” black women who cries that there’s no good eligible black men, spitting out the same rhetoric that a Grand Dragon of the KKK would that “they’re in jail, most are homosexuals and most prefers white women” which is all a pile of horse manure, there’s good men and bad men in every race, such claims is used to justified their own racist sentiment and negative perception that they have toward black men and due to that they’re with other men, not because they love that individual but because they despise his black counterpart, these women are white supremacist in dark skin, they hold the same negative stereotype toward black men as that of a imperial wizard of the Klan and utters the same vile comments.

Often these flaccid relationships are base purely on a sick fetish and lust like the Spike Lee film states it’s “Jungle Fever”, evidence of that is the racist comment that we all are familiar with that both blacks and whites say “I’ll go out with a person of another race, but I’ll never marry a person of another race”, such comments can simply be stated as being fucked up. Basically, that familiar comment means that “I can satisfy my animalistic urges with a person of another race, but I can never have a person of another race be the mother/father of my children.” One has to be a racist to hold such feelings or say such thing and too often we’ve all heard that comment being uttered and that notion has been the starting point for a lot of relationships, which is purely sick.

The worst thing is that people that are involved in interracial relationships for race sakes gives a bad name to all the good people that are with someone that they truly love and it comes out that person is of another race. The problem is not interracial relationships, it’s intra-racial racism”, because anyone who dates any race exclusively needs a shrink

This type of 19th Century thinking is what makes us look ridiculous and distracts the real issues.

???

Lord, deliver me.

That is all.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...
dy.html

Oban and Biden: A Different Dynamic

This article shows that they are a good match! Very humanistic!! :>) :>)

Iraq-US Troops on Alert Ahead of Anbar Handover:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080831/wl_mideast...

This comes under the heading: "They're GRRRRRRREAT!!!":

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...

Posted August 31, 2008 8:34 PM

by James Oliphant

BATTLE CREEK, Mich--We are, of course, in the home of Kellogg's.

Thus:

Obama spokesperson Jen Psaki models the Obama-Biden cereal box

Oh Well! I didn't get the pic! One day!! I'm going to get this! :>) :>) :>)

Comparing Careers: Obama Leads McCain in Total Votes Won
Again, this is a comparison of LIFE TIME CAREERS:

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/obama-leads-mc...

These stats are interesting considering that "McAncient" has had more years in his career! :>) :>)

This comes under the heading: They are dirt bags to each other [RNC & Limpballs]:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...


RNC Mulls Limbaugh Abortion Jab

Cliff Notes version[thanks to ?]

Flush Limpballs email was intercepted by the RNC and considered for a You tube clip.
Limpball was doing a "MAKE BELIEVE RIFT" = LIE=NOT FUNNY using Mr. Obama in a MAKE BELIEVE interview of Palin.

SICK! TWISTED! DESPICABLE!!!

Conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh boosted Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's pro-life position and mocked Barack Obama on his radio show yesterday with a make-believe riff in which Obama asked Palin "When you found out your baby would be born with Down syndrome, did you consider killing it before or after the due date?"

Limbaugh's "humor" caught the fancy of the Republican National Committee, which, in an internal e-mail, proposed using the bit in a YouTube clip.

The e-mail, which was sent to RNC Communications Director Danny Diaz, and mistakenly to a Tribune reporter, was titled "wow...good YouTube potential..."

The rest of it reads:

"Rush, just now imagining a series of questions that Obama can ask Palin, if they ever meet:

One about how to shoot a gun...
One about do you bait your hooks when you go fishing?

And then, this (paraphrase):
"when you learned that you were going to have a Down Syndrome baby, did you consider aborting it, before or after the due date?""


Here's a PDF of the e-mail: RNC email

Palin, named to yesterday by McCain to fill out the GOP ticket as his running mate, has been on Limbaugh's radar screen in the veepstakes since February, when he noted that she was on the right side of the issues and "a babe" besides.

In a statement, an RNC spokesman said, "A staffer with separate responsibilities made a poor recommendation that was not heeded. The individual has been spoken to and this will not occur again."

The staffer who wrote the message said the obvious -- that it was sent to the wrong person -- but otherwise declined to discuss it.

Diaz asked The Swamp not to post the message and said the RNC had not and would not act on the suggestion, but otherwise declined to talk about it on the record.

There's a time to honor requests to disregard misdirected email, but this isn't one of them.

The note is a good illustration of how campaigns really work and helps to explain why many people think the national political discourse is noxious.

The official McCain campaign, and the official Obama campaign for that matter, generally take the high road, rarely getting down and dirty.

Limbaugh and his ilk in talk radio and the blogosphere, on the right and left, are, officially, independent actors. So when they veer into coarse or offensive commentary, campaigns shrug, 'What can we do? We don't control them.'

They could repudiate ugly comment. But that rarely happens.

What does happen, as yesterday's errant RNC notes illustrates, is campaigns look for a benefit, furtively.

This guy, Drew Westen hits so many notes in this article..it makes my fingers and toes all tingly. It is chock full of wonderful insights and good advice for the Democratic establishment and O campaign. Please read the whole thing at the link below if you get a chance to:

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Brand First, Equivocate Later: The Message of Denver and the Importance of Defining McCain-Palin Before They Define Themselves
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/brand...

In my book, The Political Brain, I argued that if you do exactly what the Democrats did last week--both inspire voters with your vision of what could be and raise legitimate anger or concern about what your opponent and his party have done or likely will do--you win elections. The latest polling data from Gallup bear that out: Obama went from 2 points behind just before the convention to 8 points ahead, reaching a high for two straight days of 49 to 41 against McCain. The convention reversed the momentum of a dreadful July and August campaign that made every standard Democratic error outlined in the book, starting with the campaign's stubborn refusal to brand McCain before he could brand himself or to respond to his successful efforts to brand Obama--as other, different, empty celebrity, uppity, narcissistic, and elitist.

I saw Obama with fire and blood in his eyes at that Convention. He was the avenging angel, wearing a breastplate of truth and justice, fighting for the American people....cheesy, I know. But it tapped into something primitive and yearning. I want him to continue:

Obama is now poised to break 50 percent in the polls. Whether he does so, and whether he wins or loses in November, will likely depend on whether he, his campaign team, and the Democrats learn the lessons of this convention, or whether they backslide in debates and public statements into the politics of meandering, dispassionate prose; failure to demonstrate toughness, resolve, and, yes, aggression where appropriate; and failure to understand that the best time to shape the public discourse is before the other side has had a chance to "sell" its version of truth to the American people. Decades of research in social psychology have demonstrated that two of most important principles of persuasion when people have a choice between options are to get there first--to tell your side of the story--and to inoculate against what the other side is likely to say. Democratic consultants need to read that research--tonight--and stop relying on the same intuitions that have proven wrong in election after election. We are supposed to be the party of science, yet we constantly practice political creationism.

See how he brilliantly frames the opposition to abortion in the case of rape...he says it's the rapist's bill of rights, where the rapist has the right to choose the mother of his child....

Palin may be a woman, but she does not share the agenda of any woman who voted for Hillary Clinton (and Democrats should speak out against the implication that she is picking up where Hillary Clinton, a woman of tremendous stature who could have assumed the role of commander-in-chief in a heartbeat, left off). Rather, the position she and others on the right have articulated gives every rapist the right to pick the mother of his child. That position is tantamount to a Rapist's Bill of Rights, which privileges the rights of rapists and child molesters over the rights of their victims. Those are McCain-Palin's "family values," and they are not mainstream American values. Stan Greenberg and I recently identified seven different messages on abortion that beat a well-crafted, well-branded Republican message about life beginning at conception by 15-20 points, and McCain has just given Democratic and progressive candidates every reason to play offense on abortion this year instead of assuming their usual defensive crouch. In fact, McCain has just forced them to play offense, and they should do so immediately, because the extremist position he and his new running mate would impose by force is offensive to the vast majority of Americans, and it will become the law of the land if the Republicans succeed this week in pulling the heartstrings of the American people with Palin's personal choice in a way that makes them forget that others should have the same choice and may decide differently than she did, and that this should not be a governmental decision.

the position she and others on the right have articulated gives every rapist the right to pick the mother of his child. That position is tantamount to a Rapist's Bill of Rights, which privileges the rights of rapists and child molesters over the rights of their victims. Those are McCain-Palin's "family values," and they are not mainstream American values.

That is brilliant - and true. Just say, "You oppose abortion even in the case of rape or incest? That means you are giving every rapist and child molester the right to pick the mother of his child." Very useful in a campaign commercial with a woman doing the voice over.

Also, from here on in, it is important to never mention Palin without mentioning McCain's judgment and cynicism. McCain's choice speaks volumes about his character and judgment. So much for "Country First" - more like "Country Last!" Also, don't evangelicals put God First not country? That is one of the worst slogans ever - another cheap shot at Michelle Obama's alleged "gaffe".

Another helpful source for defining McCain and his VP choice - this Alaska-based blog someone linked yesterday called Mudflats. http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

The blogs are valuable since the official Alaska Governor site has been scrubbed along with her original wiki entries.

Rikyrah: Subset of the "Big Picture": Palin Could Prompt McCain To Flip Flop On Drilling

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/...

Let's hope so! :>) :>)

This will EXTEND the F/f Lists being developed!! Yaaaa!! :>) :>)

FOCUS ON "McANCIENT"!! :>) :>)

Wow, did you read what one person said what they could be doing? Oh my....

Lets hope "The Enquirer" beat them to it.

rikyrah: Well EXCUSE ME!! Why doesn't he send a contingency on a "FIELD TRIP" to-

JJP!!!?????

ENOUGH VETTING has been done HERE!!! :>) :>) Save our tax payer dollars!!! :>) :>)

Whew! Shaking her head Deep Breaths!! :>) :>)

rikyrah: Several people in my church asked for "special prayer" for relatives and friends!

God Bless them ALL!!

Big Picture

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211842.php