Jack & Jill Politics

You guys are funny, all you see is media hype, drama, "change", lol. and now Mr. O is going to save you all or Mr. M for that matter. Pay attention to the money trail, review history, and u will notice what goes on in your life did not change because a new puppet was put in some doll, I mean white house. Get real people, divide a conquer seems to work on 98%of the population all of the time.

I want the pop quiz Bill suggested. Hand her an un-labled map of the region and ask her to fill in the names.

I know I couldn't do it, but then again I'm NOT RUNNING FOR ONE OF TH HIGHEST OFFICES IN THE LAND.

rikyrah: Bill is FIRED UP! READY TO GO!!

Obama-Biden '08!!

Two good ' day after' pieces on the debate

From James Fallows:

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/20...


From TPM:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/220315.php

James Fallows' piece is really, really, really fierce.

it truly is. he was the first blogger that brought up the not looking at Obama. I mean, the man was timing it, it bothered him so.

I thought this was one of Bill Maher's best segments ever. And I loved how he called Bush a bimbo!!!

In light of the "horseshit" comment at the debates...this stuff seems credible. McCain can't control himself for 90 minutes at a Presidential debate that's going down in history?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/10086

That piece was extremely clever.

This is an open question to Jack and all Black boggers? Who speaks for Senator Obama? Reading and hearing the responses to last night's debate from the left bloghesphere, it's easy to understand why Democrats have lost the past two elections. They spend more fuckin' time second guessing their candidate and worrying about the reaction from the righ than supporting their candidate. Unlike the Right who declared McCain the winner before the debate began, Democrats are hammering Obama for missing opportunity rather than congratulating him for a damn good debate! The overwhelming consensus before the debate was that McCain would man handle Obama on foreign policy. Instead, Senator Obama went toe-to-toe and more than held his own on McCain's expertise. Rather than stressing and promoting that, you have white, liberal bloggers pissing all over Senator Obama.

My question to Jack and Black bloggers who have a voice is why don't you use your platfrom to confront them on this bull shit?

Agree. Somewhat. With real respect, dude or ma'am, we traveled this ground a few days ago and you would have enjoyed the debate. But I think a response to a totally different question fits to answer your concern. It was by Jack T. I'm not speaking for him, just using his words; so jjp may not agree with me, but, again, I think it fits right here:

"this isn't some inaccessible, one-way, broadcast outlet. don't treat us like one."

The way they seem to run this thing is one that encourages debate and values the collective intelligence emerging from that debate. I know they must be itching sometimes to jump all through this piece sometimes, but mostly I see them seeding debate. ...that, or them cats take awful long bathroom breaks.

Refreshing to have this type of blog vs. the one-way type that most blogs are. We need those too, but there are too few places where debate flourishes. The exchange is the content here in large part, and as far as I've seen, jjp tends to just moderate even when they do jump in, even though we look fwd to their opinions.

To your point, we had that discussion about "liberal bloggers" and media heads "pissing all over Senator Obama," telling him to get tough. I agree with your sentiment that that was wrong. But there were a bunch of folks in here who thought the same way. For the record, I think it was a gross arrogance and ignorance for folks to cave so quickly in the face of a few poll points when we have watched Obama's masterful strategy stay true, enabling him to withstand some pretty withering blows. Hillary wasn't no joke. I'm glad O didn't listen to all the folks supposedly on his side wailing on him.

I think he showed himself even tougher as he went back to his corner in round after round and his own cut men started beating on him.

Let me stop rehashing the debate. My point is that there's a diversity of opinion in here. Print newspapers and one-way blogs are the types of platforms to "confront them on this bullshit." We need one-way blogs, too (shoot, I got one), but I like that this place is different. Much peace.

Why is it BS to be a critical thinker? Obama had opportunities to be a lot tougher on McCain and he didn't take them. Apparently that wasn't his strategy as he appealed to a group of Independent voters who found his calmness appealing. I personally was disappointed. This is not the Obama LoveFest Club. Yes he will make a great President but that doesn't make him perfect. He is not a king and we should absolutely have expectations of any candidate we vote for. I do at least and will not be pushed aside by all the other people who want their needs met. Trickle down theory does not work.

I agree, Hearts&flowers. And perhaps part of the republican pathology is that their candidates insist on being absolute rulers, beyond criticism. Conversely, I want to see paid democratic spinners spinning their tails off with the same unquestionable loyalty as the repugs. Many of those pundits were sucking, big time. It's one thing for me to criticize O on a blog anonymously and it's another thing for James Carville or anyone collecting a check from the democratic party to criticize him on national tv. If I criticize, it's because I want him to win. I don't want him to just roll with the swiftboating. We can only speculate about the motivation of those with a national forum.

Gotta remember that a good many Democrats are young, white and in many instances, spoiled brats. Obviously, not all fit that critique. But the ones who do, are too immature and entitled to understand and appreciate discipline, delayed gratification, nuance and strategy. Sure we all wanted to see Barack talk to McCain like damn fool that he is, but that isn't presidential. That's Jerry Springer.

These petulant little farts still who continue to gripe about Barack not getting "tough", don't understand that Barack isn't their favorite Black athlete, or their favorite Black entertainer who's going to dunk the basketball or otherwise entertain them on cue. The man's got serious work to do, and he continues to prove that knows how to do it better than any other American right now.

Now, of course the spoiled brats blogging from their moms' basements, always seem to know better. Yet the candidates who listen to them always seem to lose.

Damn, brother. That was good.

Agree. Dead on Ronnie B. wouldnt'a written anything had I read further down. (...says man breaking down soapbox.)

RonnieB: The man's got serious work to do, . . . continues to PROVE that he knows how. . .

This is so on point!! Thanks! :>)

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Obama-Biden '08!!

I agree. He won that debate and all I read is nitpicking over minor things. The polls, the voters all believe he won it. Stop aiming for perfection and give him his due.

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Obama-Biden '08!!

I agree. I think because I am emotionally invested, and detest McCain, I really wanted Obama to put it to him---but---he is not trying to please his supporters, he is trying to reach a significant number of independents and undecideds that need to see how he measures up with his opponent. So although I think Obama may be too nice, he also looked far more presidential than John McCain. And many believed that his temperment put him over the edge with the independents/undecideds.

When Obama was down in the polls a couple of weeks ago, and Democrats were telling anyone who could listen what they thought Obama was doing wrong, one of Obama's aides said that if hangwringing was an Olympic sport, Democrats would win hands down. This is just how it is for them, and I hate it. It is one of the main reasons that I view myself as an independent. I have never seen such cowardice as has been displayed in the supposed support of a candidate.

My thing is, put up or shut up. If you want Obama to win, then go out and stump for him, organize for him, and offer constructive criticism in private. But do not do interview after interview about how you think he is blowing it. It only provides more fodder to his opponent.

I personally think that we need to clean house for both parties.

I hear you and agree, but dems have also watched good candidates lose for 2 plus decades. Lets not act like the worrying is totally unwarranted.

I totally agree.

They spend more fuckin' time second guessing their candidate and worrying about the reaction from the right than supporting their candidate.

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Amen.

As a commenter, I've been guilty as charged but have tried, not always successfully, to focus more on the mechanics of getting Barack elected than expressing grievances at, well, whatever.

That said, this video is brilliant.

They have backtracked after seeing the instapolls

Here's the Chris Rock interview from that same episode of Real Time:

Chris Rock w/ Bill Maher : "Obama Thinks The Vote Count Matters"
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=frO6AC6wAc0

Maher: She's a Bimbo! ....Bush is a bimbo too!
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8fK5L_DP0a4

The intelligence behind the satire of racism reminds me of David Chappelle. Very clever, and very, very, funny.

Chappelle would be a great addition to the comedy of this election.