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		<title>By: andrewwang</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewwang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Bill Clinton:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is opined that Bill Clinton committed racist hate crimes, and I am not free to say anything further about it.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Y. Wang, J.D. Candidate&lt;br&gt;B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996&lt;br&gt;Messiah College, Grantham, PA&lt;br&gt;Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are probably thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post. Moreover, there are innumerable copies in very many countries around the world.)&lt;br&gt;_________________&lt;br&gt;“If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Off the top of my head—it came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Bill Clinton:</p>
<p>It is opined that Bill Clinton committed racist hate crimes, and I am not free to say anything further about it.</p>
<p>Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Y. Wang, J.D. Candidate<br />B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />Messiah College, Grantham, PA<br />Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993</p>
<p>(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are probably thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post. Moreover, there are innumerable copies in very many countries around the world.)<br />_________________<br />“If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Off the top of my head—it came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Yu-Jen Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Yu-Jen Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang&lt;br&gt;B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996&lt;br&gt;Messiah College, Grantham, PA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.</p>
<p>Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang<br />B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />Messiah College, Grantham, PA</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Yu-Jen Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/why-impeachment-is-off-the-table/comment-page-2/#comment-70397</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Yu-Jen Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang&lt;br&gt;B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996&lt;br&gt;Messiah College, Grantham, PA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.</p>
<p>Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang<br />B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />Messiah College, Grantham, PA</p>
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		<title>By: jabizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>jabizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you gladly pull the wool over your own eyes and welcome your enslavement.  I guess I&#039;ll see you across the field during the coming revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you gladly pull the wool over your own eyes and welcome your enslavement.  I guess I&#39;ll see you across the field during the coming revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: DGiersch</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGiersch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with getting the impeachment train rolling now, as impeachment basically means removal from office and the inability for these folks to ever hold public office again - I&#039;d recommend impeacing Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, possibly Rumsfeld, and consider throwing Oliver North in for good measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with getting the impeachment train rolling now, as impeachment basically means removal from office and the inability for these folks to ever hold public office again &#8211; I&#39;d recommend impeacing Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, possibly Rumsfeld, and consider throwing Oliver North in for good measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this analysis is this:  &quot;torture&quot; is not a reason for impeachment&lt;br&gt;under the revised Articles of Impeachment&quot; presented by Rep. Kucinish.  Only that the&lt;br&gt;President lied to the American People and Congress to get approval for war.&lt;br&gt;Under that context, the subject of &#039;torture&#039; should not even come up.  The real reason&lt;br&gt;Nancy Pelosi does not want to press impreachment is that she knew Bush was lying.&lt;br&gt;She  and 167 other members of Congress are directly profiting from this war due to their being shareholders in various defense contractor corporations.  As commentator&lt;br&gt;Keith Obermann recently stated: &quot;the only reason for having a war in Iraq was to have a war in Iraq.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this analysis is this:  &#8220;torture&#8221; is not a reason for impeachment<br />under the revised Articles of Impeachment&#8221; presented by Rep. Kucinish.  Only that the<br />President lied to the American People and Congress to get approval for war.<br />Under that context, the subject of &#39;torture&#39; should not even come up.  The real reason<br />Nancy Pelosi does not want to press impreachment is that she knew Bush was lying.<br />She  and 167 other members of Congress are directly profiting from this war due to their being shareholders in various defense contractor corporations.  As commentator<br />Keith Obermann recently stated: &#8220;the only reason for having a war in Iraq was to have a war in Iraq.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thepuffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t think you would, cause I know you had neither the facts nor intellectual horsepower to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#39;t think you would, cause I know you had neither the facts nor intellectual horsepower to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Digg Pulse &#187; August 13th, 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digg Pulse &#187; August 13th, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: the puffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>the puffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lying to Congress is a felony.  If Susskind&#039;s book is correct, W. told either the CIA or Feith to forge the letter implicating Iraq in 911 and in the yellowcake purchase from Niger.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Forgery would be the lie.  The forgery is proven, therefore intent is proven.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem is not one of technicalities or lack of evidence.  It is in a hopelessly corrupt Congress and Prez who couldn&#039;t care less what the people want.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am constantly amazed at the mental contortions folks will go through to avoid confronting this single, glaring, fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lying to Congress is a felony.  If Susskind&#39;s book is correct, W. told either the CIA or Feith to forge the letter implicating Iraq in 911 and in the yellowcake purchase from Niger.</p>
<p>Forgery would be the lie.  The forgery is proven, therefore intent is proven.  </p>
<p>The problem is not one of technicalities or lack of evidence.  It is in a hopelessly corrupt Congress and Prez who couldn&#39;t care less what the people want.</p>
<p>I am constantly amazed at the mental contortions folks will go through to avoid confronting this single, glaring, fact.</p>
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		<title>By: thepuffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not hatred, dude.  More like slack-jawed disbelief at a truly awesome display of ignorance.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FWIW, I did cite specific evidence:  Bush&#039;s admission he violated FISA (known in legal circles [and I can tell you&#039;re not a lawyer] as conclusive evidence], and the order to Meiers et al  not to testify before Congress.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to war time powers, FISA was violated before 9-11, never mind the war.  And Bush&#039;s own appointee ruled, that is, specifically stated that W&#039;s claim of executive privilege re: Meiers et al has no basis and no precedent.  Which means, dude, that you&#039;re wrong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t support the Democrats, but if they&#039;ve displayed unusual perceptiveness and cited the same evidence as their talking points, so be it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From a legal standpoint, it is evidence of the best kind: the accused admitting he broke the law (example one) and a judge ruling he did so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m a lawyer, so I do have a bit of insight into these matters...but you don&#039;t have to be one to understand these simple matters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So tell me, how does your argument, if I may call it such, obviate this?  It doesn&#039;t matter if these are Mickey Mouse&#039;s talking points, or if the lunatic in the alley mumbles them while masturbating over pictures of you...it matters what the courts say on the matter, regardless of what anyone not the courts (mouse, masturbator, democrats) say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not hatred, dude.  More like slack-jawed disbelief at a truly awesome display of ignorance.  </p>
<p>FWIW, I did cite specific evidence:  Bush&#39;s admission he violated FISA (known in legal circles [and I can tell you&#39;re not a lawyer] as conclusive evidence], and the order to Meiers et al  not to testify before Congress.  </p>
<p>As to war time powers, FISA was violated before 9-11, never mind the war.  And Bush&#39;s own appointee ruled, that is, specifically stated that W&#39;s claim of executive privilege re: Meiers et al has no basis and no precedent.  Which means, dude, that you&#39;re wrong.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t support the Democrats, but if they&#39;ve displayed unusual perceptiveness and cited the same evidence as their talking points, so be it.  </p>
<p>From a legal standpoint, it is evidence of the best kind: the accused admitting he broke the law (example one) and a judge ruling he did so.</p>
<p>I&#39;m a lawyer, so I do have a bit of insight into these matters&#8230;but you don&#39;t have to be one to understand these simple matters.</p>
<p>So tell me, how does your argument, if I may call it such, obviate this?  It doesn&#39;t matter if these are Mickey Mouse&#39;s talking points, or if the lunatic in the alley mumbles them while masturbating over pictures of you&#8230;it matters what the courts say on the matter, regardless of what anyone not the courts (mouse, masturbator, democrats) say.</p>
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		<title>By: heartsandflowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>heartsandflowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly! And that&#039;s the real purpose for her run and why she should be supported.  Too many of these people in office are actively working against our interests. We get the government we deserve. By not knowing what&#039;s going on nor holding these people accountable WE ARE IN FACT APPROVING EVERYTHING THEY DO. Why are Haitians being forced to eat dirt? Why does our gov&#039;t scream deregulation for industries that have their hand out when they mess up and we let them get paid off with our tax money? Why did the CEO of Bear Sterns/Countrywide/etc get their $300M+ payouts instead of landing in jail? You know this is all a wake up call for me this year and for things to change, things have to get shaken up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! And that&#39;s the real purpose for her run and why she should be supported.  Too many of these people in office are actively working against our interests. We get the government we deserve. By not knowing what&#39;s going on nor holding these people accountable WE ARE IN FACT APPROVING EVERYTHING THEY DO. Why are Haitians being forced to eat dirt? Why does our gov&#39;t scream deregulation for industries that have their hand out when they mess up and we let them get paid off with our tax money? Why did the CEO of Bear Sterns/Countrywide/etc get their $300M+ payouts instead of landing in jail? You know this is all a wake up call for me this year and for things to change, things have to get shaken up.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thepuffin,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In case you didn&#039;t know or notice - your hatred is showing. Anyway, still no evidence...just repeated Democratic Party &#039;Talking Points.&#039; Have you ever heard of Executive Privilege? Or War Time Powers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thepuffin,</p>
<p>In case you didn&#39;t know or notice &#8211; your hatred is showing. Anyway, still no evidence&#8230;just repeated Democratic Party &#39;Talking Points.&#39; Have you ever heard of Executive Privilege? Or War Time Powers?</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I know Bush hands aren&#039;t completely clean. In my book, for everything up to 9/11, they both carry responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I know Bush hands aren&#39;t completely clean. In my book, for everything up to 9/11, they both carry responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s GeeShrubya Kool-Aid, which is ten times more powerful than anything the Obama supporters will even &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; of drinking, and I mean Jim Jones-powerful, for those of you who want to keep denying Bush has done his job in running the country for the last eight years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are all hereby nominated, along with &quot;your&quot; President, for &quot;Worst Person IN the World Honors.&quot;  Keep it up, showing us the degrees and levels of your illusion with Mr. &quot;25% approval ratings&quot;, and the only ones with worse ratings are the &quot;9% Approval-Rated Congress.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s GeeShrubya Kool-Aid, which is ten times more powerful than anything the Obama supporters will even <i>think</i> of drinking, and I mean Jim Jones-powerful, for those of you who want to keep denying Bush has done his job in running the country for the last eight years.</p>
<p>You are all hereby nominated, along with &#8220;your&#8221; President, for &#8220;Worst Person IN the World Honors.&#8221;  Keep it up, showing us the degrees and levels of your illusion with Mr. &#8220;25% approval ratings&#8221;, and the only ones with worse ratings are the &#8220;9% Approval-Rated Congress.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D, I haven&#039;t let Clinton off the hook, but to be fair, when he tried to address the issue of Osama, the ReThugs told him to piss off; and the chairs refused to give up the money for stepped-up surveillance.  Additionally, Clinton told Bush to keep his eye on Bin Laden, and Bush chose to ignore Clinton&#039;s warning for the opportunity if shyt got jacked up (which it did with 9/11), Bush could blame Clinton, which he did.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, he still continues to blame Clinton, even though after 2002, all the shyt that went down, went down on his watch - Clinton no where on the scene.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s being fair - don&#039;t just dig up Clinton; it sounds too much like Kobe Bryant when he got busted for cheating on his wife, and dragged Shaq into that mess by snitching &quot;Shaq did it, too!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one asked about Shaq - Kobe was the one on the hot seat, and he should have manned up.  He didn&#039;t and neither does Bush; not once in the seven years he&#039;s been in office, have I heard him say, &quot;I screwed up; the blame lies with me.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even though it was proven that the Bay of Pigs fiasco was the result of Jack Kennedy&#039;s own military and CIA going behind his back, he manned up and accepted full responsibility because he was the President.  Truman did likewise (&quot;The Buck Stops Here&quot;) and even LBJ stepped down from running for a second term in 1968 because of Vietnam, particularly the Gulf of Tonkin mess.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They took their licks and GeeShrubya always passes the buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D, I haven&#39;t let Clinton off the hook, but to be fair, when he tried to address the issue of Osama, the ReThugs told him to piss off; and the chairs refused to give up the money for stepped-up surveillance.  Additionally, Clinton told Bush to keep his eye on Bin Laden, and Bush chose to ignore Clinton&#39;s warning for the opportunity if shyt got jacked up (which it did with 9/11), Bush could blame Clinton, which he did.</p>
<p>In fact, he still continues to blame Clinton, even though after 2002, all the shyt that went down, went down on his watch &#8211; Clinton no where on the scene.</p>
<p>That&#39;s being fair &#8211; don&#39;t just dig up Clinton; it sounds too much like Kobe Bryant when he got busted for cheating on his wife, and dragged Shaq into that mess by snitching &#8220;Shaq did it, too!&#8221;</p>
<p>No one asked about Shaq &#8211; Kobe was the one on the hot seat, and he should have manned up.  He didn&#39;t and neither does Bush; not once in the seven years he&#39;s been in office, have I heard him say, &#8220;I screwed up; the blame lies with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even though it was proven that the Bay of Pigs fiasco was the result of Jack Kennedy&#39;s own military and CIA going behind his back, he manned up and accepted full responsibility because he was the President.  Truman did likewise (&#8221;The Buck Stops Here&#8221;) and even LBJ stepped down from running for a second term in 1968 because of Vietnam, particularly the Gulf of Tonkin mess.</p>
<p>They took their licks and GeeShrubya always passes the buck.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough; I&#039;ll put it in my queue (taking in some fiction for the summer). I just didn&#039;t want to spend money on another &quot;Bush lied, people died!&quot; rant; to use your word, I hear that shyt enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough; I&#39;ll put it in my queue (taking in some fiction for the summer). I just didn&#39;t want to spend money on another &#8220;Bush lied, people died!&#8221; rant; to use your word, I hear that shyt enough.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D:  The Shrub administration would go on if &quot;McAncient&quot; were to win.  People are well aware of this.  So he has to be kept in the forefront!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D:  The Shrub administration would go on if &#8220;McAncient&#8221; were to win.  People are well aware of this.  So he has to be kept in the forefront!</p>
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		<title>By: CPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D., it&#039;s written by Vince Bugliosi, the lawyer that wrote &quot;Helter Skelter&quot; and prosecuting Charles Manson and the Gang for the Tate-La Bianca Murders back in 1969.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He also wrote about &quot;The Theft of the Presidency&quot; (not sure about the title), but it was a legal, factual read about how five members of the Supreme Court ignored the Constitution back in 2000 to deliver the White House to your boy, George.  In particular, they exploited a loophole which was left open by Al Gore.  If Gore demands a recount of all Floridian counties, instead of picking only the counties with concentrated Black or Latino populations, Bush&#039;s motion gets tossed.  But because Gore cherry-picked the counties for recount, Bush was able to argue his 14th Amendment protections were being violated.  And even then, Bush v. Gore was &lt;i&gt;constitutionally required&lt;/i&gt; to be settled at the State Court level, which the Florida Supreme Court did (by denying Bush&#039;s motion and attempting to award the electoral votes to Gore).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because there were five justices that allowed their responsibility to interpret and enforce the Constitution get blinded by pure partisanship, they agreed to hear Bush v. Gore, which should, by legal precedent, never should have wound up before them, because the Constitution requires Congress to settle a disputed election like the Presidential election.  Because there were enough Republicans in both Houses of Congress that weren&#039;t sold on Bush, the Bush camp couldn&#039;t take the chance of allowing what was Constitutionally required, even then.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We got the warning he was going to shyt on the Constitution as far back as December 13, 2000.  We can&#039;t say we weren&#039;t warned.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All that to say, get the book and read it for yourself.  It looks like your eyes are wide open now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D., it&#39;s written by Vince Bugliosi, the lawyer that wrote &#8220;Helter Skelter&#8221; and prosecuting Charles Manson and the Gang for the Tate-La Bianca Murders back in 1969.  </p>
<p>He also wrote about &#8220;The Theft of the Presidency&#8221; (not sure about the title), but it was a legal, factual read about how five members of the Supreme Court ignored the Constitution back in 2000 to deliver the White House to your boy, George.  In particular, they exploited a loophole which was left open by Al Gore.  If Gore demands a recount of all Floridian counties, instead of picking only the counties with concentrated Black or Latino populations, Bush&#39;s motion gets tossed.  But because Gore cherry-picked the counties for recount, Bush was able to argue his 14th Amendment protections were being violated.  And even then, Bush v. Gore was <i>constitutionally required</i> to be settled at the State Court level, which the Florida Supreme Court did (by denying Bush&#39;s motion and attempting to award the electoral votes to Gore).  </p>
<p>Because there were five justices that allowed their responsibility to interpret and enforce the Constitution get blinded by pure partisanship, they agreed to hear Bush v. Gore, which should, by legal precedent, never should have wound up before them, because the Constitution requires Congress to settle a disputed election like the Presidential election.  Because there were enough Republicans in both Houses of Congress that weren&#39;t sold on Bush, the Bush camp couldn&#39;t take the chance of allowing what was Constitutionally required, even then.</p>
<p>We got the warning he was going to shyt on the Constitution as far back as December 13, 2000.  We can&#39;t say we weren&#39;t warned.</p>
<p>All that to say, get the book and read it for yourself.  It looks like your eyes are wide open now.</p>
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		<title>By: thepuffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karmi--&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I can tell you won&#039;t believe me, we already have two instances of flat-out impeachable offenses where ALL the evidence we need is either admitted by the Prez, or already ruled upon by a court, where evidence is the name of the game:&lt;br&gt;1) Bush admitted to violating FISA by warrantlessly wiretapping Americans.  Nixon resigned over this one, pal.  A federal court (and Bush appointee) ruled that the law was violated, as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) Bush&#039;s DOJ instructed Rove, Meiers and Bolten not to disobey Congressional subpoenas.  Another Bush appointee ruled that this violated the law.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You only need one.  And that&#039;s two.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And lying the country into war, approving of torture, well, you&#039;re OK with those.  People who think like you have lost their souls and the right to claim humanity.  If there is a Hell, its fires burn for you.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmi&#8211;</p>
<p>While I can tell you won&#39;t believe me, we already have two instances of flat-out impeachable offenses where ALL the evidence we need is either admitted by the Prez, or already ruled upon by a court, where evidence is the name of the game:<br />1) Bush admitted to violating FISA by warrantlessly wiretapping Americans.  Nixon resigned over this one, pal.  A federal court (and Bush appointee) ruled that the law was violated, as well.</p>
<p>2) Bush&#39;s DOJ instructed Rove, Meiers and Bolten not to disobey Congressional subpoenas.  Another Bush appointee ruled that this violated the law.</p>
<p>You only need one.  And that&#39;s two.  </p>
<p>And lying the country into war, approving of torture, well, you&#39;re OK with those.  People who think like you have lost their souls and the right to claim humanity.  If there is a Hell, its fires burn for you.  Good luck.</p>
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		<dc:creator>CPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, I wholeheartedly agree; when the powers that be started mumbling about impeachment, I thought they needed to impeach Cheney to tumble the house of cards that it the Bush Administration.  In fact, I think it was Kucinich who tried to introduce articles of impeachment against &lt;i&gt;Cheney&lt;/i&gt; and not Bush, but he got drowned out by &lt;i&gt;his own friggin&#039; peers&lt;/i&gt;, like Ms. Pelosi.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I stated above, her paw prints are all over this one, and in fact, Pelosi has a track record for behind the scenes pushing of really piss-poor legislation, then going on record dissing it and voting against it; after she has all but wrote the bill up and signed off on it.  She likes having deniability, especially if its a bad piece of legislation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I got that from three sources in Congress...direct quotes, too, from staff people in Marcy Kaptor&#039;s office (Ohio), former Rep. McKinney&#039;s office and current Rep. John Conyers office.  It&#039;s considered Nancy&#039;s M.O. (talk shyt about a bill while facilitating its passage).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe Cindy Sheehan can&#039;t unseat her (and I really don&#039;t expect her to), but if she sends Nancy back to Congress with a victory margin of less than 50%, that will drown out everything else, because the Speaker will be seen as a weakened Speaker.  It might even facilitate a challenge to the Speaker&#039;s position from someone in the body that wanted the Speaker&#039;s chair all along.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know about Cindy except she brought a lot of embarrassment to Bush, sitting outside his ranch like that; not to mention the injustice of the Iraq War.  She doesn&#039;t really have to win - she can send a message to Nancy that the constituents won&#039;t be ignored like she has done.  She might even go out like Al Wynn (barely get re-elected in 2006, Donna Edwards knocks him right on out in 2008).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I wholeheartedly agree; when the powers that be started mumbling about impeachment, I thought they needed to impeach Cheney to tumble the house of cards that it the Bush Administration.  In fact, I think it was Kucinich who tried to introduce articles of impeachment against <i>Cheney</i> and not Bush, but he got drowned out by <i>his own friggin&#39; peers</i>, like Ms. Pelosi.</p>
<p>As I stated above, her paw prints are all over this one, and in fact, Pelosi has a track record for behind the scenes pushing of really piss-poor legislation, then going on record dissing it and voting against it; after she has all but wrote the bill up and signed off on it.  She likes having deniability, especially if its a bad piece of legislation.</p>
<p>And I got that from three sources in Congress&#8230;direct quotes, too, from staff people in Marcy Kaptor&#39;s office (Ohio), former Rep. McKinney&#39;s office and current Rep. John Conyers office.  It&#39;s considered Nancy&#39;s M.O. (talk shyt about a bill while facilitating its passage).</p>
<p>Maybe Cindy Sheehan can&#39;t unseat her (and I really don&#39;t expect her to), but if she sends Nancy back to Congress with a victory margin of less than 50%, that will drown out everything else, because the Speaker will be seen as a weakened Speaker.  It might even facilitate a challenge to the Speaker&#39;s position from someone in the body that wanted the Speaker&#39;s chair all along.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know about Cindy except she brought a lot of embarrassment to Bush, sitting outside his ranch like that; not to mention the injustice of the Iraq War.  She doesn&#39;t really have to win &#8211; she can send a message to Nancy that the constituents won&#39;t be ignored like she has done.  She might even go out like Al Wynn (barely get re-elected in 2006, Donna Edwards knocks him right on out in 2008).</p>
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