Jack & Jill Politics

Freedom to choose an abortion is freedom to choose in favor of one's self-interest.

Isn't that the creed of the right wing… freedom to choose? Guilt, shame and remorse comes from applied social pressure.

At the time these women make their choice, there is little doubt that they have no other option…until the anti-choice people start showing pictures of aborted fetuses.

Women do not need to be protected from socially applied shame and guilt. If you identify shame and guilt as a problem, then don't add to it by judging women. Instead, validate their choice.

It's not the abortion per se that harms women, it's the social, religious pressure applied at clinic protests and the near constant religious judgment.

Re the parents making sure their daughters had abortions…I can totally see that happening. The parent would be the most realistic about the coming hardships. They might not want the social stigma of being parent to a teenage mom or the community thinking they failed.

Religious groups need to understand the unintended consequences of their interference. Sometimes the more strongly you resist something, the more entrenched it becomes. The irony is that Barack's position is a softer, less resistant approach of providing support and options. Isn't it interesting that by voting Conservative, the so-called Pro-lifers have actually increased deaths.

Okay, let's walk. The point that I was making is that there are too many other real things to be discussing!

Bashing Bush?! He does that very well on his own. Come on…you have to admit that this has been one of the worst administrations ever!

Also, I didn't mean to offend you by responding to your comments on this public site. In the future I will make sure that on your comments I will respond only when specifically asked;-)

Oh, stop…..it's not that serious. I was more upset at how the discussion immediately swung to Bush; hence, the “typical” comment.

Worst administration ever? I think history is better left to judge that one.

And I agree that this won't help lower the price of gas one penny. But, in keeping with what I said to Monie, it's a distraction that should-and could, with a little bit of forward thinking-been avoided.

Ok, we're talking now…… ;)

Of course the right wing doesn't have a monopoly on use of the flag, and I didn't suggest they did.

As a veteran-albeit a partisan one-anyone who's gonna use the flag in any venue or medium should do so correctly. This usage (granting the benefit of the doubt) appears wrong).

It is one those ambiguous things. Again, I look at it as possibly being a cross-section of the flag, with a corner of the stars and adjoining stripes , and the flag flapping in the wind. The stripes are not in a “perfect “horizontal plane, so the angle of the stripes can be interpreted in many ways. They probably should have been careful ( the right wing is so rabid) , especially since the media and opponents have mandated that Sen. Obama MUST AT ALL TIMES WEAR A FLAG PIN to prove his patriotism.

“Even if it is unintentional-which I have my doubts about-someone should've known that the right wing would go ape shit if/when it got out.”

The fact that the right wing would go ape shit over this SHOULD be the problem!

“I guess my biggest issue (and what I wrote on in my blog) is that between the DNC and the Obama campaign, it should have occured to someone to tread very lightly using the flag”

Tread lightly? Really? Are the right wing the only one's “allowed” to use the flag?

Oops..I will really try next time to only comment when you are talking to me.

Ro
I wasn't there for the conversation. He will be registered.
Did you look at the website? What did you think?

Freedom to choose an abortion is freedom to choose in favor of one's self-interest.

Isn't that the creed of the right wing… freedom to choose? Guilt, shame and remorse comes from applied social pressure.

At the time these women make their choice, there is little doubt that they have no other option…until the anti-choice people start showing pictures of aborted fetuses.

Women do not need to be protected from socially applied shame and guilt. If you identify shame and guilt as a problem, then don't add to it by judging women. Instead, validate their choice.

It's not the abortion per se that harms women, it's the social, religious pressure applied at clinic protests and the near constant religious judgment.

Re the parents making sure their daughters had abortions…I can totally see that happening. The parent would be the most realistic about the coming hardships. They might not want the social stigma of being parent to a teenage mom or the community thinking they failed.

Religious groups need to understand the unintended consequences of their interference. Sometimes the more strongly you resist something, the more entrenched it becomes. The irony is that Barack's position is a softer, less resistant approach of providing support and options. Isn't it interesting that by voting Conservative, the so-called Pro-lifers have actually increased deaths.

Okay, let's walk. The point that I was making is that there are too many other real things to be discussing!

Bashing Bush?! He does that very well on his own. Come on…you have to admit that this has been one of the worst administrations ever!

Also, I didn't mean to offend you by responding to your comments on this public site. In the future I will make sure that on your comments I will respond only when specifically asked;-)

Oh, stop…..it's not that serious. I was more upset at how the discussion immediately swung to Bush; hence, the “typical” comment.

Worst administration ever? I think history is better left to judge that one.

And I agree that this won't help lower the price of gas one penny. But, in keeping with what I said to Monie, it's a distraction that should-and could, with a little bit of forward thinking-been avoided.

Ok, we're talking now…… ;)

Of course the right wing doesn't have a monopoly on use of the flag, and I didn't suggest they did.

As a veteran-albeit a partisan one-anyone who's gonna use the flag in any venue or medium should do so correctly. This usage (granting the benefit of the doubt) appears wrong).