Comments on: Russia’s Invasion of Georgia ….The ‘August’ Surprise? http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: michonhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-343751 michon Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:30:21 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-343751 My kitchen table foreign policy head didn't think it was a smart move (one I don't think even Reagan would've made) to embrace Georgia as a potential NATO ally so soon after the collapse of the USSR. I'm no expert on Russia, but I have friends who know the country intimately, and let's just say the US got caught up in the heat of the moment (maybe for oil, maybe for canon fodder for Iraq). Most of the news is just skimming the surface banking on big bad fmr USSR's reputation to come down on people's heads with that mighty hammer and cycle. And yes, they will do that. But there's the Georgia side too. They went into South Ossetia first. South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be independent and connected to Moscow. So who do you think they're going to call when the Georgian rockets came pouring in? Georgia tried to take one piece; but Putin's going to take 5. Where Russia's going "postal" is going deeper into Georgia. But Saakashvili was gambling. in my experience there are certain people you just don't f*ck with.<br><br>But before taking sides --there's plenty blame to go around -- please get all the information. Put the east vs. west pro-democracy ideology to the side for a moment because MSM is not framing the story in its complexity and entirety.<br><br>Mikhail Gorbechav has released a statement: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081101372.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...</a> My kitchen table foreign policy head didn't think it was a smart move (one I don't think even Reagan would've made) to embrace Georgia as a potential NATO ally so soon after the collapse of the USSR. I'm no expert on Russia, but I have friends who know the country intimately, and let's just say the US got caught up in the heat of the moment (maybe for oil, maybe for canon fodder for Iraq). Most of the news is just skimming the surface banking on big bad fmr USSR's reputation to come down on people's heads with that mighty hammer and cycle. And yes, they will do that. But there's the Georgia side too. They went into South Ossetia first. South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be independent and connected to Moscow. So who do you think they're going to call when the Georgian rockets came pouring in? Georgia tried to take one piece; but Putin's going to take 5. Where Russia's going “postal” is going deeper into Georgia. But Saakashvili was gambling. in my experience there are certain people you just don't f*ck with.

But before taking sides –there's plenty blame to go around — please get all the information. Put the east vs. west pro-democracy ideology to the side for a moment because MSM is not framing the story in its complexity and entirety.

Mikhail Gorbechav has released a statement: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

]]> By: whatameyehttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-343752 whatameye Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:26:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-343752 The sad thing is the lack of reporting on joke of a "democracy" that Mikhail Saakashvili runs. think Dubya without the thin veil. Political dissidents labeled "terrorists", torture, corruption. this guy is a piece of work. MSM has no problem ignoring most of this, and the fact that it was Russia coming to the aid of South Ossetia because Georgia has put "their" military buildup to work (Our tax dollars at work). MSM is too busy tripping over themselves to demonize Russia. Look, Russia has plenty of issues to hammer, but coming to the aid of S.O. in the face of the Georgian bombing of S.O. The sad thing is the lack of reporting on joke of a “democracy” that Mikhail Saakashvili runs. think Dubya without the thin veil. Political dissidents labeled “terrorists”, torture, corruption. this guy is a piece of work. MSM has no problem ignoring most of this, and the fact that it was Russia coming to the aid of South Ossetia because Georgia has put “their” military buildup to work (Our tax dollars at work). MSM is too busy tripping over themselves to demonize Russia. Look, Russia has plenty of issues to hammer, but coming to the aid of S.O. in the face of the Georgian bombing of S.O.

]]> By: michonhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-163906 michon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:30:21 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-163906 My kitchen table foreign policy head didn't think it was a smart move (one I don't think even Reagan would've made) to embrace Georgia as a potential NATO ally so soon after the collapse of the USSR. I'm no expert on Russia, but I have friends who know the country intimately, and let's just say the US got caught up in the heat of the moment (maybe for oil, maybe for canon fodder for Iraq). Most of the news is just skimming the surface banking on big bad fmr USSR's reputation to come down on people's heads with that mighty hammer and cycle. And yes, they will do that. But there's the Georgia side too. They went into South Ossetia first. South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be independent and connected to Moscow. So who do you think they're going to call when the Georgian rockets came pouring in? Georgia tried to take one piece; but Putin's going to take 5. Where Russia's going "postal" is going deeper into Georgia. But Saakashvili was gambling. in my experience there are certain people you just don't f*ck with.<br><br>But before taking sides --there's plenty blame to go around -- please get all the information. Put the east vs. west pro-democracy ideology to the side for a moment because MSM is not framing the story in its complexity and entirety.<br><br>Mikhail Gorbechav has released a statement: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081101372.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...</a> My kitchen table foreign policy head didn't think it was a smart move (one I don't think even Reagan would've made) to embrace Georgia as a potential NATO ally so soon after the collapse of the USSR. I'm no expert on Russia, but I have friends who know the country intimately, and let's just say the US got caught up in the heat of the moment (maybe for oil, maybe for canon fodder for Iraq). Most of the news is just skimming the surface banking on big bad fmr USSR's reputation to come down on people's heads with that mighty hammer and cycle. And yes, they will do that. But there's the Georgia side too. They went into South Ossetia first. South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be independent and connected to Moscow. So who do you think they're going to call when the Georgian rockets came pouring in? Georgia tried to take one piece; but Putin's going to take 5. Where Russia's going “postal” is going deeper into Georgia. But Saakashvili was gambling. in my experience there are certain people you just don't f*ck with.

But before taking sides –there's plenty blame to go around — please get all the information. Put the east vs. west pro-democracy ideology to the side for a moment because MSM is not framing the story in its complexity and entirety.

Mikhail Gorbechav has released a statement: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

]]> By: whatameyehttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-163907 whatameye Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:26:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-163907 The sad thing is the lack of reporting on joke of a "democracy" that Mikhail Saakashvili runs. think Dubya without the thin veil. Political dissidents labeled "terrorists", torture, corruption. this guy is a piece of work. MSM has no problem ignoring most of this, and the fact that it was Russia coming to the aid of South Ossetia because Georgia has put "their" military buildup to work (Our tax dollars at work). MSM is too busy tripping over themselves to demonize Russia. Look, Russia has plenty of issues to hammer, but coming to the aid of S.O. in the face of the Georgian bombing of S.O. The sad thing is the lack of reporting on joke of a “democracy” that Mikhail Saakashvili runs. think Dubya without the thin veil. Political dissidents labeled “terrorists”, torture, corruption. this guy is a piece of work. MSM has no problem ignoring most of this, and the fact that it was Russia coming to the aid of South Ossetia because Georgia has put “their” military buildup to work (Our tax dollars at work). MSM is too busy tripping over themselves to demonize Russia. Look, Russia has plenty of issues to hammer, but coming to the aid of S.O. in the face of the Georgian bombing of S.O.

]]> By: michonhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42875 michon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:30:21 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42875 My kitchen table foreign policy head didn't think it was a smart move (one I don't think even Reagan would've made) to embrace Georgia as a potential NATO ally so soon after the collapse of the USSR. I'm no expert on Russia, but I have friends who know the country intimately, and let's just say the US got caught up in the heat of the moment (maybe for oil, maybe for canon fodder for Iraq). Most of the news is just skimming the surface banking on big bad fmr USSR's reputation to come down on people's heads with that mighty hammer and cycle. And yes, they will do that. But there's the Georgia side too. They went into South Ossetia first. South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be independent and connected to Moscow. So who do you think they're going to call when the Georgian rockets came pouring in? Georgia tried to take one piece; but Putin's going to take 5. Where Russia's going "postal" is going deeper into Georgia. But Saakashvili was gambling. in my experience there are certain people you just don't f*ck with.<br><br>But before taking sides --there's plenty blame to go around -- please get all the information. Put the east vs. west pro-democracy ideology to the side for a moment because MSM is not framing the story in its complexity and entirety.<br><br>Mikhail Gorbechav has released a statement: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081101372.html?hpid=topnews">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...</a> My kitchen table foreign policy head didn't think it was a smart move (one I don't think even Reagan would've made) to embrace Georgia as a potential NATO ally so soon after the collapse of the USSR. I'm no expert on Russia, but I have friends who know the country intimately, and let's just say the US got caught up in the heat of the moment (maybe for oil, maybe for canon fodder for Iraq). Most of the news is just skimming the surface banking on big bad fmr USSR's reputation to come down on people's heads with that mighty hammer and cycle. And yes, they will do that. But there's the Georgia side too. They went into South Ossetia first. South Ossetia does not want to be part of Georgia. They want to be independent and connected to Moscow. So who do you think they're going to call when the Georgian rockets came pouring in? Georgia tried to take one piece; but Putin's going to take 5. Where Russia's going “postal” is going deeper into Georgia. But Saakashvili was gambling. in my experience there are certain people you just don't f*ck with.

But before taking sides –there's plenty blame to go around — please get all the information. Put the east vs. west pro-democracy ideology to the side for a moment because MSM is not framing the story in its complexity and entirety.

Mikhail Gorbechav has released a statement: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

]]> By: whatameyehttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42876 whatameye Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:26:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42876 The sad thing is the lack of reporting on joke of a "democracy" that Mikhail Saakashvili runs. think Dubya without the thin veil. Political dissidents labeled "terrorists", torture, corruption. this guy is a piece of work. MSM has no problem ignoring most of this, and the fact that it was Russia coming to the aid of South Ossetia because Georgia has put "their" military buildup to work (Our tax dollars at work). MSM is too busy tripping over themselves to demonize Russia. Look, Russia has plenty of issues to hammer, but coming to the aid of S.O. in the face of the Georgian bombing of S.O. The sad thing is the lack of reporting on joke of a “democracy” that Mikhail Saakashvili runs. think Dubya without the thin veil. Political dissidents labeled “terrorists”, torture, corruption. this guy is a piece of work. MSM has no problem ignoring most of this, and the fact that it was Russia coming to the aid of South Ossetia because Georgia has put “their” military buildup to work (Our tax dollars at work). MSM is too busy tripping over themselves to demonize Russia. Look, Russia has plenty of issues to hammer, but coming to the aid of S.O. in the face of the Georgian bombing of S.O.

]]> By: Anderkoohttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42878 Anderkoo Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:18:09 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42878 Thanks. So much more useful to read a nuanced history rather than ideological spin. I'm not interested in whether this "proves" X or Y theory or worldview.<br><br>I do find how Americans tie oil prices to the Middle East naive and one-dimensional. Russia has turned out to be the far more problemmatic beneficiary of this spike / trend. Thanks. So much more useful to read a nuanced history rather than ideological spin. I'm not interested in whether this “proves” X or Y theory or worldview.

I do find how Americans tie oil prices to the Middle East naive and one-dimensional. Russia has turned out to be the far more problemmatic beneficiary of this spike / trend.

]]> By: djchefronhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42877 djchefron Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:50:37 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42877 To everyone who is interested here is an good run down on the hostilities<br>BATTLE CRY<br>Taunting the bear<br><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/10/europe/10traub.php">http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/10/europe/1...</a> To everyone who is interested here is an good run down on the hostilities
BATTLE CRY
Taunting the bear
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/10/europe/1…

]]> By: JibreelRileyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42879 JibreelRiley Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:37:41 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42879 This is why America has to do what it dose because of the lack of stones from NATO, The EU and The UN. Also the unwillingness to really look into this situation thanks to your worthless selfishness is shameful as Americans. Georgia are our brothers in Democracy however you are willing to find some moonbat conspiracy theory so the Government can pay your bills. You keep with this attatude, then we should all start to learn to speak Russian/Chinese and Spanish. This is why America has to do what it dose because of the lack of stones from NATO, The EU and The UN. Also the unwillingness to really look into this situation thanks to your worthless selfishness is shameful as Americans. Georgia are our brothers in Democracy however you are willing to find some moonbat conspiracy theory so the Government can pay your bills. You keep with this attatude, then we should all start to learn to speak Russian/Chinese and Spanish.

]]> By: chris chambershttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42880 chris chambers Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:56:07 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42880 Maybe this war proves the rightwing's point about the rule of law in international relations, UN. NATO and the UN can only yes, sit back and watch. Georgia got snookered into this, thinking the Europeans would help them. The Russians get a wink from US cause yeah, we need the, just as the Chinese are the loan sharks to which we owe. It's sad and I think Americans need to pay more goddamn attention to these events, if only as metaphors for so many other things. Maybe this war proves the rightwing's point about the rule of law in international relations, UN. NATO and the UN can only yes, sit back and watch. Georgia got snookered into this, thinking the Europeans would help them. The Russians get a wink from US cause yeah, we need the, just as the Chinese are the loan sharks to which we owe. It's sad and I think Americans need to pay more goddamn attention to these events, if only as metaphors for so many other things.

]]> By: marchttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42881 marc Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:28:32 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42881 thank you so very little. the first question you ask when a fucking war has started (reminder: wars tend to do lots of havoc, including the killing of people) the first question you ask is: "How will this effect the race between Obama and McCain?"<br><br>let me ask: were you among those who so loudly wondered, some years ago, "why do they hate us"? one possible answer in the above attitude.<br><br>my attitude: when the topic is the war against georgia, i do not first care who might win the elections in a country on the other side of the atlantic. thank you so very little. the first question you ask when a fucking war has started (reminder: wars tend to do lots of havoc, including the killing of people) the first question you ask is: “How will this effect the race between Obama and McCain?”

let me ask: were you among those who so loudly wondered, some years ago, “why do they hate us”? one possible answer in the above attitude.

my attitude: when the topic is the war against georgia, i do not first care who might win the elections in a country on the other side of the atlantic.

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42902 CraigHickman Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:52:25 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42902 LOL LOL

]]> By: JibreelRileyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42903 JibreelRiley Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:44:07 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42903 ha, I still got a vote and so dose the rest of middle America ha, I still got a vote and so dose the rest of middle America

]]> By: Rogerhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42901 Roger Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:42:50 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42901 Well, that much is clear. Well, that much is clear.

]]> By: JibreelRileyhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42900 JibreelRiley Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:32:59 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42900 That word is too big for me, I was public school educated. When they say Georgia was attacked, I was asking did someone save Lil Jon and Usher That word is too big for me, I was public school educated. When they say Georgia was attacked, I was asking did someone save Lil Jon and Usher

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42888 CraigHickman Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:32:09 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42888 Whatever happened to speak softly but carry a big stick?<br><br>I think it's insane that noisemakers like Tweety say that McCain is like Teddy Roosevelt. Whatever happened to speak softly but carry a big stick?

I think it's insane that noisemakers like Tweety say that McCain is like Teddy Roosevelt.

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42899 CraigHickman Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:30:24 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42899 You clairvoyant? You clairvoyant?

]]> By: D.http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42882 D. Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:14:18 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42882 Wow.<br><br>I'm either the Mighty Morphin' JJP Poster, or a raving schizophrenic....depending on who's doing the trash talking.<br><br>My take on this is:<br><br>1. Where the hell did the Russians come from? Weren't they supposed to be broke? <br>From a military standpoint, I'm impressed. Next thing, they're going to take over the North Pole....and all the oil that's (supposedly) under it. <br><br>2. There's not a damn thing either Obama or McCain can do about this. McCain's the better shit-talker, but at the end of the day, all the US can do is watch. And-in an admission that will surprise the hell out of most of you!-that's because of our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. We've got our two fires that we need to win decisevely; no way we're taking on the Russians. We've done all we can do, which is send the Georgians home from Iraq.<br><br>The only thing that has me somewhat concerned is that, having (just about) won-by most sensical standards-in Iraq, we're now about to put a heavier footprint in Afghanistan. Yeah, needs to be done, but I'm certain that somewhere, the Russians are wondering if some of our leaders were absent the day that the Russian invasion of Afghanistan was taught in foreign policy school.<br><br>This is not going to play out well....for everyone except the Russians.<br><br>Back to the Games. And, yeah, I'd rather kill terrorists in Baghdad than in Philly too. Wow.

I'm either the Mighty Morphin' JJP Poster, or a raving schizophrenic….depending on who's doing the trash talking.

My take on this is:

1. Where the hell did the Russians come from? Weren't they supposed to be broke?
From a military standpoint, I'm impressed. Next thing, they're going to take over the North Pole….and all the oil that's (supposedly) under it.

2. There's not a damn thing either Obama or McCain can do about this. McCain's the better shit-talker, but at the end of the day, all the US can do is watch. And-in an admission that will surprise the hell out of most of you!-that's because of our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. We've got our two fires that we need to win decisevely; no way we're taking on the Russians. We've done all we can do, which is send the Georgians home from Iraq.

The only thing that has me somewhat concerned is that, having (just about) won-by most sensical standards-in Iraq, we're now about to put a heavier footprint in Afghanistan. Yeah, needs to be done, but I'm certain that somewhere, the Russians are wondering if some of our leaders were absent the day that the Russian invasion of Afghanistan was taught in foreign policy school.

This is not going to play out well….for everyone except the Russians.

Back to the Games. And, yeah, I'd rather kill terrorists in Baghdad than in Philly too.

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42884 CraigHickman Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:03:10 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42884 That's a wrap. That's a wrap.

]]> By: CraigHickmanhttp://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/russias-invasion-of-georgia-the-august-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-42893 CraigHickman Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:02:10 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1795#comment-42893 Who saw this coming? Who saw this coming?

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