Comments on: Is Obama the End of Black Politics? – Asks NY Times http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:11:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Payday Loan Advocate http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-73090 Payday Loan Advocate Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:54:36 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-73090 The television network, the CW, premiered a new drama on October 5th, 2008, called Easy Money, from the producers of the Sopranos. The show is based around a family who owns and operates a payday loan store called Prestige Payday Loans. Shows based around groups of people or cultures that do not get represented equally are all fine and good, however if and only if they’re represented fairly and accurately, and are not vehicles of perpetuating stereotypes and ignorance. A glance at the trailers and episode summaries make it clear that the show is indeed only portraying stereotypes, bearing in mind, of course, that the media rarely ever deviates from the narrow minded stereotype of the payday loan industry. Most of the coverage is horror stories of people in an “endless cycle” of debt, and it always begins when someone needs to fix their car or be able to cover an emergency bill. It proves, really, that networks aren’t interested in REAL reporting, they only like to cover whatever is shocking enough to get people to watch. The CW must be hungry to get viewers back after the writer’s strike. Just look at the show’s tagline: “For this family of loan sharks, money is easy.” Perhaps the show’s writers will actually show the positive side of the payday loan industry. However, chances are good that they won’t.<br><br>Post Courtesy of Personal Money Store<br>Professional Blogging Team<br>Feed Back: 1-866-641-3406<br>Home: <a href="http://personalmoneystore.com/NoFaxPaydayLoans.html">http://personalmoneystore.com/NoFaxPaydayLoans....</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/">http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/</a> The television network, the CW, premiered a new drama on October 5th, 2008, called Easy Money, from the producers of the Sopranos. The show is based around a family who owns and operates a payday loan store called Prestige Payday Loans. Shows based around groups of people or cultures that do not get represented equally are all fine and good, however if and only if they’re represented fairly and accurately, and are not vehicles of perpetuating stereotypes and ignorance. A glance at the trailers and episode summaries make it clear that the show is indeed only portraying stereotypes, bearing in mind, of course, that the media rarely ever deviates from the narrow minded stereotype of the payday loan industry. Most of the coverage is horror stories of people in an “endless cycle” of debt, and it always begins when someone needs to fix their car or be able to cover an emergency bill. It proves, really, that networks aren’t interested in REAL reporting, they only like to cover whatever is shocking enough to get people to watch. The CW must be hungry to get viewers back after the writer’s strike. Just look at the show’s tagline: “For this family of loan sharks, money is easy.” Perhaps the show’s writers will actually show the positive side of the payday loan industry. However, chances are good that they won’t.

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]]> By: Zhana http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24496 Zhana Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:37:07 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24496 As several have said here, this is not the end, this is just the beginning. <br><br>I hope all who have commented here will join my Obama phone-in on 19th August. As several have said here, this is not the end, this is just the beginning.

I hope all who have commented here will join my Obama phone-in on 19th August.

]]> By: michon http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24497 michon Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:47:09 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24497 Interesting article; better than what the NY Times usually does on the topic of race (usually very badly IMO). But the ENDof black politics? I don't think so. That's like saying the founding of the NAACP marked the end of black politics a la Frederick Douglass; or the black power movement was the end of the politics of Bethune, Houston, Terrell. I think the 'perceived power struggle has more to do with personalities like the black political power brokers sited in the articles than generation politics. <br><br>Among grassroots organizers and cultural professionals I know, I see a lot of back and forth respect between the generations and for those who've come before any of us. But everyone likes to have something they can call "their stuff." However, the environment, jobs, energy, Iraq, and globalization are and have been black issues. They will be regardless of the outcome in November.<br><br>Jill Tubman suggested I share my take on "generation Obama." It's like a border group between Gen X and the Baby Boomers. [As of this election year we were kicked out of the Boomer group]. Our influences were the WW II generation (pragamatism) - grandparents, uncles, aunts, and perhaps parents. They were our rocks. They only had one TV and stereo (yep, that's what we called it) in the house. We watched what they watched. We listened to Nat King Cole, Sinatra, Sarah, maybe a little Johnny Cash. They were unselfishly sentimental. Second influence was the civil rights and black power generation (justice issues, multiculturalism, African diaspora). They may have been our older siblings or parents. If they were into the diaspora, they gave us the multi-cultural perspective. We were encouraged to demand, not ask; fight not flight and call it when we saw it. We were proud of who were were as we were - "Say It Loud..." Finally there's the coming of age years (Reagan). We were the test market for MTV and video games. Hip Hop was Rap and some of it stuck with us or we slipped our parents'/siblings'Nina Simone, Coltrane, Aretha and Sarah stash into the trunk of the car and headed back to campus where we fused with Ruben Blades, Willie Colon, Celia Cruz. Participated in panels hosted by the Asian Student Association, and pushed the board to divest from South Africa. AIDS came on the scene. Crack on the city streets. The divestment movement taught us something about investments, globalization, and commerce. It may have been the first serious encounter with the Wall Street Journal. We were intrigued. <br><br>All that said (and it's just a sprinkling), this group that includes Obama can't be neatly put into a box. "Border crossers" may be the closest label. The generations opened the doors. So many influences; and we probably have been receptive in some form or fashion to all of them. Interesting article; better than what the NY Times usually does on the topic of race (usually very badly IMO). But the ENDof black politics? I don't think so. That's like saying the founding of the NAACP marked the end of black politics a la Frederick Douglass; or the black power movement was the end of the politics of Bethune, Houston, Terrell. I think the 'perceived power struggle has more to do with personalities like the black political power brokers sited in the articles than generation politics.

Among grassroots organizers and cultural professionals I know, I see a lot of back and forth respect between the generations and for those who've come before any of us. But everyone likes to have something they can call “their stuff.” However, the environment, jobs, energy, Iraq, and globalization are and have been black issues. They will be regardless of the outcome in November.

Jill Tubman suggested I share my take on “generation Obama.” It's like a border group between Gen X and the Baby Boomers. [As of this election year we were kicked out of the Boomer group]. Our influences were the WW II generation (pragamatism) – grandparents, uncles, aunts, and perhaps parents. They were our rocks. They only had one TV and stereo (yep, that's what we called it) in the house. We watched what they watched. We listened to Nat King Cole, Sinatra, Sarah, maybe a little Johnny Cash. They were unselfishly sentimental. Second influence was the civil rights and black power generation (justice issues, multiculturalism, African diaspora). They may have been our older siblings or parents. If they were into the diaspora, they gave us the multi-cultural perspective. We were encouraged to demand, not ask; fight not flight and call it when we saw it. We were proud of who were were as we were – “Say It Loud…” Finally there's the coming of age years (Reagan). We were the test market for MTV and video games. Hip Hop was Rap and some of it stuck with us or we slipped our parents'/siblings'Nina Simone, Coltrane, Aretha and Sarah stash into the trunk of the car and headed back to campus where we fused with Ruben Blades, Willie Colon, Celia Cruz. Participated in panels hosted by the Asian Student Association, and pushed the board to divest from South Africa. AIDS came on the scene. Crack on the city streets. The divestment movement taught us something about investments, globalization, and commerce. It may have been the first serious encounter with the Wall Street Journal. We were intrigued.

All that said (and it's just a sprinkling), this group that includes Obama can't be neatly put into a box. “Border crossers” may be the closest label. The generations opened the doors. So many influences; and we probably have been receptive in some form or fashion to all of them.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24528 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:25:33 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24528 You are not alone, sister! I think the brothers who were interviewed should have insisted that some black women be interviewed, too. How could Donna Edwards, for example, have been overlooked? You are not alone, sister! I think the brothers who were interviewed should have insisted that some black women be interviewed, too. How could Donna Edwards, for example, have been overlooked?

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24519 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:10:28 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24519 When I was in college, which was some time ago, we used to say that the letters NAACP stood for the National Association for the Advancement of Certain People. Not much has changed in all these years. When I was in college, which was some time ago, we used to say that the letters NAACP stood for the National Association for the Advancement of Certain People. Not much has changed in all these years.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24507 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:56:07 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24507 My family and I live in West Chester (East Bradford Township). I can't disagree at all with your assessment of Philadelphia politics, although I was mistaken about the current demographics. Nutter is a vast improvement over Street and would be better than Fattah but I still would not describe the city's politics as being ghettoized. <br><br>Black folks inherited and adopted a political system and a political regime that had long been in place before they became its leaders. Nutter was a garden variety product of this system until he saw an opportunity to distinguish himself. No fault finding here.<br><br> All politicians are opportunists. The real issue is whether they have talent or not. Nutter has talent but he will never be elected governor of Pennsylvania. We lived eight years in Hershey and folks in central and western PA are not going to elect a black person to occupy the mansion on Front Street in Harrisburg. My family and I live in West Chester (East Bradford Township). I can't disagree at all with your assessment of Philadelphia politics, although I was mistaken about the current demographics. Nutter is a vast improvement over Street and would be better than Fattah but I still would not describe the city's politics as being ghettoized.

Black folks inherited and adopted a political system and a political regime that had long been in place before they became its leaders. Nutter was a garden variety product of this system until he saw an opportunity to distinguish himself. No fault finding here.

All politicians are opportunists. The real issue is whether they have talent or not. Nutter has talent but he will never be elected governor of Pennsylvania. We lived eight years in Hershey and folks in central and western PA are not going to elect a black person to occupy the mansion on Front Street in Harrisburg.

]]> By: monica http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24506 monica Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:31:46 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24506 I live in Philly so I have to point out a couple of things. Although the neighborhoods are segregated, the make-up of the city is 45% white and 43% black with Latinos and Asians making up the difference. That's why his election was such a watershed moment. He was the best candidate for the city black or white. The residents of the city voted on his record and his integrity. John Street was an incompetent a-hole. Anyone (of any color) would have been an improvement but we were blessed with two candidates who were capable (D Evans was the other).<br><br>The Philadelphia political situation is indeed unique and ghettonized was the best way to describe it prior to the election of Nutter. We had black elected officials and political power, but the economy was in shambles and violent crime was rampant. All Street did was throw his hands up and lined his pockets and those of his family and friends. <br><br>Maybe Nutter is bitter. I am too. I live in Philly so I have to point out a couple of things. Although the neighborhoods are segregated, the make-up of the city is 45% white and 43% black with Latinos and Asians making up the difference. That's why his election was such a watershed moment. He was the best candidate for the city black or white. The residents of the city voted on his record and his integrity. John Street was an incompetent a-hole. Anyone (of any color) would have been an improvement but we were blessed with two candidates who were capable (D Evans was the other).

The Philadelphia political situation is indeed unique and ghettonized was the best way to describe it prior to the election of Nutter. We had black elected officials and political power, but the economy was in shambles and violent crime was rampant. All Street did was throw his hands up and lined his pockets and those of his family and friends.

Maybe Nutter is bitter. I am too.

]]> By: GreenLadyHere http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24520 GreenLadyHere Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:54:08 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24520 Sepia: Co-sign. Is that like "thinking out side of the proverbial box?" I'm for that!!! New tools for old problems - YES!!! :>) :>)<br><br>This technology "tool" helped in the win against billary!! She wasn't ready for Mr. O's type of political strategy! :>) Evidence - her tired A88 web site! :>) :>) Sepia: Co-sign. Is that like “thinking out side of the proverbial box?” I'm for that!!! New tools for old problems – YES!!! :>) :>)

This technology “tool” helped in the win against billary!! She wasn't ready for Mr. O's type of political strategy! :>) Evidence – her tired A88 web site! :>) :>)

]]> By: GreenLadyHere http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24537 GreenLadyHere Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:48:36 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24537 RonnieB: :>) :>) :>) LOL :>) :>:) :>) RonnieB: :>) :>) :>) LOL :>) :>:) :>)

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24512 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:43:36 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24512 I wasn't offended at all. No need to apologize. I just don't grant that sort of space to politicians. I wasn't offended at all. No need to apologize. I just don't grant that sort of space to politicians.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24505 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:42:03 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24505 My opinion is that Nutter is still angry and is somewhat embittered, although he denies it, toward the city's old line black leadership. Nutter's lingering sense of resentment toward these folks maybe understandable but, in truth, there was no compelling reason for the black electorate in Philly to embrace him. Prior to his decision to run for mayor, Nutter did very little to distinguish himself as a member of the city council or as a politician. He and his supporters may deny it but he was basically a go-along to get-along pol. My opinion is that Nutter is still angry and is somewhat embittered, although he denies it, toward the city's old line black leadership. Nutter's lingering sense of resentment toward these folks maybe understandable but, in truth, there was no compelling reason for the black electorate in Philly to embrace him. Prior to his decision to run for mayor, Nutter did very little to distinguish himself as a member of the city council or as a politician. He and his supporters may deny it but he was basically a go-along to get-along pol.

]]> By: Anderkoo http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24500 Anderkoo Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:52:09 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24500 Sure they would, and obviously I wrote my thesis on the topic, and maybe it's different out in CA, but there just aren't enough Asian Americans in most communities to add up to a machine. Flushing, NY is one exception here on the east coast. (I should add "East Asian" as opposed to Indian or other parts of Asia). Sure they would, and obviously I wrote my thesis on the topic, and maybe it's different out in CA, but there just aren't enough Asian Americans in most communities to add up to a machine. Flushing, NY is one exception here on the east coast. (I should add “East Asian” as opposed to Indian or other parts of Asia).

]]> By: Anderkoo http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24504 Anderkoo Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:50:22 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24504 I don't know Philly politics so I can't say! But I suppose it's possible for a majority to be ghettoized, or a majority of the majority (= minority) to be captured is another way to look at it. Like evangelicals in the Republican party, or blacks in the Democratic. But I really don't know in Nutter's specific case, really. What's your opinion on this? I don't know Philly politics so I can't say! But I suppose it's possible for a majority to be ghettoized, or a majority of the majority (= minority) to be captured is another way to look at it. Like evangelicals in the Republican party, or blacks in the Democratic. But I really don't know in Nutter's specific case, really. What's your opinion on this?

]]> By: Plantsmantx http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24522 Plantsmantx Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:46:52 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24522 Pushing for class-based programs rather than race-based ones- ok, that's one, I guess. What are some of the other new tactics? Pushing for class-based programs rather than race-based ones- ok, that's one, I guess. What are some of the other new tactics?

]]> By: rmalveaux http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24511 rmalveaux Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:26:54 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24511 Yeah, you're ol' skool alright. I didn't mean to offend you or the Godfather, but you get what I'm sayin'? Yeah, you're ol' skool alright. I didn't mean to offend you or the Godfather, but you get what I'm sayin'?

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24510 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:20:24 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24510 We are the Soul of America and right now Obama is Soul Brotha #1.<br><br>I'm old school. James Brown is still Soul Brotha #1. Senator Obama is a brother who we would like to see elected as president. We are the Soul of America and right now Obama is Soul Brotha #1.

I'm old school. James Brown is still Soul Brotha #1. Senator Obama is a brother who we would like to see elected as president.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24503 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:17:08 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24503 The question I asked pertained to Nutter's claim that the black electorate in Philadelphia was ghettoized when blacks represent a majority of the city's residents. I wasn't opposed to Nutter's election and overall it has been a positive development for that city but my question had nothing to do with who Nutter sought support from during his race. The question I asked pertained to Nutter's claim that the black electorate in Philadelphia was ghettoized when blacks represent a majority of the city's residents. I wasn't opposed to Nutter's election and overall it has been a positive development for that city but my question had nothing to do with who Nutter sought support from during his race.

]]> By: rmalveaux http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24509 rmalveaux Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:14:52 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24509 We are witnessing a shift in who is considered African-American and thus we are seeing a change in Black Politics. Throughout American political history Black Politics was regarded as the monolithic, collective politics of the emancipated slaves and their descendants, usually characterized by the presence of a charismatic leader . In the 21st century, African-American is defined as an American citizen of African descent. This would include Americans of African descent who are not descended of emancipated slaves, like Sen. Obama. <br>The shift in definition of who is African American gave rise to the shift in Black politics. The dynamism of Black Politics reflects the regional, cultural, class and circumstantial differences among African Americans The New Black Politics is built upon earlier Black political accomplishments and developments, however as the political constituencies have become more diverse, the strategies and goals of Black Politics have changed as well. <br>The future of Black Politics is predicated on the ability of Black leaders and their constituencies to address the injustices and inequalities of Black life in America in real, tangible concrete ways. Obama's presidency offers the opportunity for Black Politics and its operatives to address and solve some of the most critical of our nation's ills. Sound, compassionate policies in health care, labor, criminal justice, green initiatives, civil and reproductive rights and other areas of public policy benefit all Americans, and historically Black Americans have been at the forefront of all progressive political and social changes in our country. <br>Black Politics have been the conscience of the nation since the country's founding. We have righted this nation's path at the expense of our lives and treasure, even when our countrymen showed us no love. Now is the time we should assert ourselves to lead in this new fight as we have in the past. <br>We are the Soul of America and right now Obama is Soul Brotha #1. We are witnessing a shift in who is considered African-American and thus we are seeing a change in Black Politics. Throughout American political history Black Politics was regarded as the monolithic, collective politics of the emancipated slaves and their descendants, usually characterized by the presence of a charismatic leader . In the 21st century, African-American is defined as an American citizen of African descent. This would include Americans of African descent who are not descended of emancipated slaves, like Sen. Obama.
The shift in definition of who is African American gave rise to the shift in Black politics. The dynamism of Black Politics reflects the regional, cultural, class and circumstantial differences among African Americans The New Black Politics is built upon earlier Black political accomplishments and developments, however as the political constituencies have become more diverse, the strategies and goals of Black Politics have changed as well.
The future of Black Politics is predicated on the ability of Black leaders and their constituencies to address the injustices and inequalities of Black life in America in real, tangible concrete ways. Obama's presidency offers the opportunity for Black Politics and its operatives to address and solve some of the most critical of our nation's ills. Sound, compassionate policies in health care, labor, criminal justice, green initiatives, civil and reproductive rights and other areas of public policy benefit all Americans, and historically Black Americans have been at the forefront of all progressive political and social changes in our country.
Black Politics have been the conscience of the nation since the country's founding. We have righted this nation's path at the expense of our lives and treasure, even when our countrymen showed us no love. Now is the time we should assert ourselves to lead in this new fight as we have in the past.
We are the Soul of America and right now Obama is Soul Brotha #1.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24499 PTCruiser Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:10:24 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24499 "...there isn't much to say about "Asian-American politics").<br><br>Many, many Asian Americans would take strong exception to this assertion. “…there isn't much to say about “Asian-American politics”).

Many, many Asian Americans would take strong exception to this assertion.

]]> By: Anderkoo http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/is-obama-the-end-of-black-politics-asks-ny-times/comment-page-2/#comment-24502 Anderkoo Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:09:42 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1760#comment-24502 I'd take him at his word: “Look, I never asked anybody to be for me because I was black... I asked people to be for me because I thought I was the best candidate when I ran for City Council and when I ran for mayor. I’m proud of the votes I received. I’m proud I received the votes of the majority of the African-American community and the majority of the vote from the white community. But I never asked anybody to give me anything because I was black. I asked people to give me a chance because I thought I was the best.” I'd take him at his word: “Look, I never asked anybody to be for me because I was black… I asked people to be for me because I thought I was the best candidate when I ran for City Council and when I ran for mayor. I’m proud of the votes I received. I’m proud I received the votes of the majority of the African-American community and the majority of the vote from the white community. But I never asked anybody to give me anything because I was black. I asked people to give me a chance because I thought I was the best.”

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