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		<title>By: Elevated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elevated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this.  I will only watch TVONE!</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got this from Black Politics on the Web:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/clyburn-says-obama-election-would-change-americans-view-of-race/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/cly...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Clyburn Says Obama Election Would Change America&#039;s View of Race.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One statement:  &quot;The Clintons have HISTORICALLY enjoyed tremendous support from within the African American community, but SOME OF THOSE TIES BECAME STRAINED over the course of a long primary season.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why do I see this statement as WEAK?? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their history has been DESTROYED    -     BECAUSE OFTHEIR DOING!!!&lt;br&gt;Some of those ties became strained    -     BECAUSE OF THEIR DOING!!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He still caint&#039; give it up!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whew!   Shaking my head Deep Breaths!!!   :&gt;)    :&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got this from Black Politics on the Web:</p>
<p><a href="http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/clyburn-says-obama-election-would-change-americans-view-of-race/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/cly.." rel="nofollow">http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/cly..</a>.<br />Clyburn Says Obama Election Would Change America&#39;s View of Race.</p>
<p>One statement:  &#8220;The Clintons have HISTORICALLY enjoyed tremendous support from within the African American community, but SOME OF THOSE TIES BECAME STRAINED over the course of a long primary season.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do I see this statement as WEAK?? </p>
<p>Their history has been DESTROYED    &#8211;     BECAUSE OFTHEIR DOING!!!<br />Some of those ties became strained    &#8211;     BECAUSE OF THEIR DOING!!!!!</p>
<p>He still caint&#39; give it up!!!</p>
<p>Whew!   Shaking my head Deep Breaths!!!   :&gt;)    :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: skymutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>skymutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He gets a more positive tone for the convention, which translates to a bigger bounce.  Keep in mind that all this ass-kissing need amount to, according to Wolfson, is for Obama to &quot;praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday.&quot;  What we&#039;d get out of that hopefully would be an end to all this distracting media chatter about rifts and grudges.  And then you&#039;d like to think that we&#039;d gain a more constructive version of Bill Clinton going forward, whether that be as an active campaigner or not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the Clinton&#039;s not controlling their surrogates, it begs the question: is Howard Wolfson really qualified to speak to Bill Clinton&#039;s need to have his ass kissed in the first place?  Or is the old Bill setting us up for a rousing and dramatic announcement of support for Obama at the convention, keeping silent and allowing all this talk about grudges and hurt feelings to build up to the moment of reconciliation?  Wouldn&#039;t put it past the old mongoose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He gets a more positive tone for the convention, which translates to a bigger bounce.  Keep in mind that all this ass-kissing need amount to, according to Wolfson, is for Obama to &#8220;praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday.&#8221;  What we&#39;d get out of that hopefully would be an end to all this distracting media chatter about rifts and grudges.  And then you&#39;d like to think that we&#39;d gain a more constructive version of Bill Clinton going forward, whether that be as an active campaigner or not.</p>
<p>As far as the Clinton&#39;s not controlling their surrogates, it begs the question: is Howard Wolfson really qualified to speak to Bill Clinton&#39;s need to have his ass kissed in the first place?  Or is the old Bill setting us up for a rousing and dramatic announcement of support for Obama at the convention, keeping silent and allowing all this talk about grudges and hurt feelings to build up to the moment of reconciliation?  Wouldn&#39;t put it past the old mongoose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MsKitty</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so shocked (not).  The MSM likes to stir shyte up, so I&#039;m not even going to risk my BP going up watching those clowns.  I take my hat off to those of you who can sit thru it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m so shocked (not).  The MSM likes to stir shyte up, so I&#39;m not even going to risk my BP going up watching those clowns.  I take my hat off to those of you who can sit thru it.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, on CNN all they&#039;re talking about are the Clintons.   They&#039;re interviewing delegates who are voting for Clinton.  Thus far, no interviews of Obama delegates that I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, on CNN all they&#39;re talking about are the Clintons.   They&#39;re interviewing delegates who are voting for Clinton.  Thus far, no interviews of Obama delegates that I&#39;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Baba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the Clinton-Obama feud is primarily about accusations of racism. I don&#039;t even think it&#039;s primarily about Hillary&#039;s primary loss Obama. The roots conflict started long before the primary began, back when a presidential run was still just a twinkle in a young IL senator&#039;s eye.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The year was 1992, and the Democratic party was on the ropes. We were already 12 years into the Reagan revolution, and even with a weakening economy, George the First&#039;s promise to continue Reagan&#039;s policies for another 4 years looked like a clear path to victory. We needed a game-changer, and we got one. A young outsider burst onto the scene, with a radical new vision for the Democratic party. They called it neoliberalism, a marriage of traditional liberal social policies, with traditionally conservative, pro-business policies. The bet paid off. Clinton and his DLC not only won the presidency, but effectively took control of the Democratic party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fast forward to 2003. The DLC-dominated party had already suffered one painful presidential defeat, the Republicans had controlled congress for nearly a decade. The DLC needed an infusion of new blood, and one of the people they turned to was freshman senator, Barack Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s how Ari Berman described it in his March 2005 article for The Nation, entitled, &quot;Going Nowhere: The DLC Sputters to a Halt&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm%29:&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm):&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of &quot;100 New Democrats to Watch.&quot; ... The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation--a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC..... After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC&#039;s database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC.&quot;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t doubt that the Clinton&#039;s are genuinely outraged over the loss of black support, or genuinely resentful about Hillary&#039;s defeat, but I think they&#039;d still campaign their hearts out for Obama if only he&#039;d do what he refused to do in 2003: embrace the DLC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think the Clinton-Obama feud is primarily about accusations of racism. I don&#39;t even think it&#39;s primarily about Hillary&#39;s primary loss Obama. The roots conflict started long before the primary began, back when a presidential run was still just a twinkle in a young IL senator&#39;s eye.</p>
<p>The year was 1992, and the Democratic party was on the ropes. We were already 12 years into the Reagan revolution, and even with a weakening economy, George the First&#39;s promise to continue Reagan&#39;s policies for another 4 years looked like a clear path to victory. We needed a game-changer, and we got one. A young outsider burst onto the scene, with a radical new vision for the Democratic party. They called it neoliberalism, a marriage of traditional liberal social policies, with traditionally conservative, pro-business policies. The bet paid off. Clinton and his DLC not only won the presidency, but effectively took control of the Democratic party.</p>
<p>Fast forward to 2003. The DLC-dominated party had already suffered one painful presidential defeat, the Republicans had controlled congress for nearly a decade. The DLC needed an infusion of new blood, and one of the people they turned to was freshman senator, Barack Obama. </p>
<p>Here&#39;s how Ari Berman described it in his March 2005 article for The Nation, entitled, &#8220;Going Nowhere: The DLC Sputters to a Halt&#8221; (<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm%29:" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm)</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of &#8220;100 New Democrats to Watch.&#8221; &#8230; The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation&#8211;a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC&#8230;.. After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC&#39;s database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t doubt that the Clinton&#39;s are genuinely outraged over the loss of black support, or genuinely resentful about Hillary&#39;s defeat, but I think they&#39;d still campaign their hearts out for Obama if only he&#39;d do what he refused to do in 2003: embrace the DLC.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, I don&#039;t see what Obama is getting in return.   So far, Bill hasn&#039;t campaigned.  And If I was Barack, I&#039;d be terrified to let him loose out there, not knowing what he could say.  Bill said some pretty nasty things about his own wife!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not like the Clinton&#039;s are controlling their surrogates anyway.  So what exactly is Barack getting from them in return for puckering up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, I don&#39;t see what Obama is getting in return.   So far, Bill hasn&#39;t campaigned.  And If I was Barack, I&#39;d be terrified to let him loose out there, not knowing what he could say.  Bill said some pretty nasty things about his own wife!</p>
<p>It&#39;s not like the Clinton&#39;s are controlling their surrogates anyway.  So what exactly is Barack getting from them in return for puckering up?</p>
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		<title>By: skymutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>skymutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeaz, are we going to listen to folks like Sirota and have a sour convention and risk the election because we can&#039;t do what it takes to smooth things over with a key party elder?  And yes, Bill Clinton is narcissistic; you know it and I know it.  But he was a two term President for goodness sakes, so if he needs his ass kissed, please Barack, pucker, polish the pudgy pale Presidential posterior, and get the deed done, and then let&#039;s get about the business of winning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeaz, are we going to listen to folks like Sirota and have a sour convention and risk the election because we can&#39;t do what it takes to smooth things over with a key party elder?  And yes, Bill Clinton is narcissistic; you know it and I know it.  But he was a two term President for goodness sakes, so if he needs his ass kissed, please Barack, pucker, polish the pudgy pale Presidential posterior, and get the deed done, and then let&#39;s get about the business of winning!</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t STAND white ENTITLEMENT.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BubbaBill you are DONE. Take your southerntiredracemongeringmaceatingwhiteass HOME and call Lewinsky if you want to be appeased.  Obama ain&#039;t gettin on his knees and he ain&#039;t coming with his hat in his head either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t STAND white ENTITLEMENT.</p>
<p>BubbaBill you are DONE. Take your southerntiredracemongeringmaceatingwhiteass HOME and call Lewinsky if you want to be appeased.  Obama ain&#39;t gettin on his knees and he ain&#39;t coming with his hat in his head either.</p>
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		<title>By: Elevated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elevated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jelana</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this.  I will only watch TVONE!</description>
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		<title>By: GreenLadyHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenLadyHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got this from Black Politics on the Web:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/clyburn-says-obama-election-would-change-americans-view-of-race/&quot;&gt;http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/cly...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Clyburn Says Obama Election Would Change America&#039;s View of Race.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One statement:  &quot;The Clintons have HISTORICALLY enjoyed tremendous support from within the African American community, but SOME OF THOSE TIES BECAME STRAINED over the course of a long primary season.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why do I see this statement as WEAK?? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their history has been DESTROYED    -     BECAUSE OFTHEIR DOING!!!&lt;br&gt;Some of those ties became strained    -     BECAUSE OF THEIR DOING!!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He still caint&#039; give it up!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whew!   Shaking my head Deep Breaths!!!   :&gt;)    :&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got this from Black Politics on the Web:</p>
<p><a href="http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/clyburn-says-obama-election-would-change-americans-view-of-race/"></a><a href="http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/cly.." rel="nofollow">http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2008/08/24/cly..</a>.<br />Clyburn Says Obama Election Would Change America&#39;s View of Race.</p>
<p>One statement:  &#8220;The Clintons have HISTORICALLY enjoyed tremendous support from within the African American community, but SOME OF THOSE TIES BECAME STRAINED over the course of a long primary season.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do I see this statement as WEAK?? </p>
<p>Their history has been DESTROYED    &#8211;     BECAUSE OFTHEIR DOING!!!<br />Some of those ties became strained    &#8211;     BECAUSE OF THEIR DOING!!!!!</p>
<p>He still caint&#39; give it up!!!</p>
<p>Whew!   Shaking my head Deep Breaths!!!   :&gt;)    :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: skymutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>skymutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He gets a more positive tone for the convention, which translates to a bigger bounce.  Keep in mind that all this ass-kissing need amount to, according to Wolfson, is for Obama to &quot;praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday.&quot;  What we&#039;d get out of that hopefully would be an end to all this distracting media chatter about rifts and grudges.  And then you&#039;d like to think that we&#039;d gain a more constructive version of Bill Clinton going forward, whether that be as an active campaigner or not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the Clinton&#039;s not controlling their surrogates, it begs the question: is Howard Wolfson really qualified to speak to Bill Clinton&#039;s need to have his ass kissed in the first place?  Or is the old Bill setting us up for a rousing and dramatic announcement of support for Obama at the convention, keeping silent and allowing all this talk about grudges and hurt feelings to build up to the moment of reconciliation?  Wouldn&#039;t put it past the old mongoose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He gets a more positive tone for the convention, which translates to a bigger bounce.  Keep in mind that all this ass-kissing need amount to, according to Wolfson, is for Obama to &#8220;praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday.&#8221;  What we&#39;d get out of that hopefully would be an end to all this distracting media chatter about rifts and grudges.  And then you&#39;d like to think that we&#39;d gain a more constructive version of Bill Clinton going forward, whether that be as an active campaigner or not.</p>
<p>As far as the Clinton&#39;s not controlling their surrogates, it begs the question: is Howard Wolfson really qualified to speak to Bill Clinton&#39;s need to have his ass kissed in the first place?  Or is the old Bill setting us up for a rousing and dramatic announcement of support for Obama at the convention, keeping silent and allowing all this talk about grudges and hurt feelings to build up to the moment of reconciliation?  Wouldn&#39;t put it past the old mongoose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MsKitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so shocked (not).  The MSM likes to stir shyte up, so I&#039;m not even going to risk my BP going up watching those clowns.  I take my hat off to those of you who can sit thru it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m so shocked (not).  The MSM likes to stir shyte up, so I&#39;m not even going to risk my BP going up watching those clowns.  I take my hat off to those of you who can sit thru it.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, on CNN all they&#039;re talking about are the Clintons.   They&#039;re interviewing delegates who are voting for Clinton.  Thus far, no interviews of Obama delegates that I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, on CNN all they&#39;re talking about are the Clintons.   They&#39;re interviewing delegates who are voting for Clinton.  Thus far, no interviews of Obama delegates that I&#39;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Baba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the Clinton-Obama feud is primarily about accusations of racism. I don&#039;t even think it&#039;s primarily about Hillary&#039;s primary loss Obama. The roots conflict started long before the primary began, back when a presidential run was still just a twinkle in a young IL senator&#039;s eye.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The year was 1992, and the Democratic party was on the ropes. We were already 12 years into the Reagan revolution, and even with a weakening economy, George the First&#039;s promise to continue Reagan&#039;s policies for another 4 years looked like a clear path to victory. We needed a game-changer, and we got one. A young outsider burst onto the scene, with a radical new vision for the Democratic party. They called it neoliberalism, a marriage of traditional liberal social policies, with traditionally conservative, pro-business policies. The bet paid off. Clinton and his DLC not only won the presidency, but effectively took control of the Democratic party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fast forward to 2003. The DLC-dominated party had already suffered one painful presidential defeat, the Republicans had controlled congress for nearly a decade. The DLC needed an infusion of new blood, and one of the people they turned to was freshman senator, Barack Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s how Ari Berman described it in his March 2005 article for The Nation, entitled, &quot;Going Nowhere: The DLC Sputters to a Halt&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm%29:&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm):&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of &quot;100 New Democrats to Watch.&quot; ... The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation--a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC..... After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC&#039;s database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC.&quot;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t doubt that the Clinton&#039;s are genuinely outraged over the loss of black support, or genuinely resentful about Hillary&#039;s defeat, but I think they&#039;d still campaign their hearts out for Obama if only he&#039;d do what he refused to do in 2003: embrace the DLC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think the Clinton-Obama feud is primarily about accusations of racism. I don&#39;t even think it&#39;s primarily about Hillary&#39;s primary loss Obama. The roots conflict started long before the primary began, back when a presidential run was still just a twinkle in a young IL senator&#39;s eye.</p>
<p>The year was 1992, and the Democratic party was on the ropes. We were already 12 years into the Reagan revolution, and even with a weakening economy, George the First&#39;s promise to continue Reagan&#39;s policies for another 4 years looked like a clear path to victory. We needed a game-changer, and we got one. A young outsider burst onto the scene, with a radical new vision for the Democratic party. They called it neoliberalism, a marriage of traditional liberal social policies, with traditionally conservative, pro-business policies. The bet paid off. Clinton and his DLC not only won the presidency, but effectively took control of the Democratic party.</p>
<p>Fast forward to 2003. The DLC-dominated party had already suffered one painful presidential defeat, the Republicans had controlled congress for nearly a decade. The DLC needed an infusion of new blood, and one of the people they turned to was freshman senator, Barack Obama. </p>
<p>Here&#39;s how Ari Berman described it in his March 2005 article for The Nation, entitled, &#8220;Going Nowhere: The DLC Sputters to a Halt&#8221; (<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm%29:"></a><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm)</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of &#8220;100 New Democrats to Watch.&#8221; &#8230; The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation&#8211;a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC&#8230;.. After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC&#39;s database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t doubt that the Clinton&#39;s are genuinely outraged over the loss of black support, or genuinely resentful about Hillary&#39;s defeat, but I think they&#39;d still campaign their hearts out for Obama if only he&#39;d do what he refused to do in 2003: embrace the DLC.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, I don&#039;t see what Obama is getting in return.   So far, Bill hasn&#039;t campaigned.  And If I was Barack, I&#039;d be terrified to let him loose out there, not knowing what he could say.  Bill said some pretty nasty things about his own wife!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not like the Clinton&#039;s are controlling their surrogates anyway.  So what exactly is Barack getting from them in return for puckering up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, I don&#39;t see what Obama is getting in return.   So far, Bill hasn&#39;t campaigned.  And If I was Barack, I&#39;d be terrified to let him loose out there, not knowing what he could say.  Bill said some pretty nasty things about his own wife!</p>
<p>It&#39;s not like the Clinton&#39;s are controlling their surrogates anyway.  So what exactly is Barack getting from them in return for puckering up?</p>
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		<title>By: skymutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>skymutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeaz, are we going to listen to folks like Sirota and have a sour convention and risk the election because we can&#039;t do what it takes to smooth things over with a key party elder?  And yes, Bill Clinton is narcissistic; you know it and I know it.  But he was a two term President for goodness sakes, so if he needs his ass kissed, please Barack, pucker, polish the pudgy pale Presidential posterior, and get the deed done, and then let&#039;s get about the business of winning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeaz, are we going to listen to folks like Sirota and have a sour convention and risk the election because we can&#39;t do what it takes to smooth things over with a key party elder?  And yes, Bill Clinton is narcissistic; you know it and I know it.  But he was a two term President for goodness sakes, so if he needs his ass kissed, please Barack, pucker, polish the pudgy pale Presidential posterior, and get the deed done, and then let&#39;s get about the business of winning!</p>
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		<title>By: whiterosebuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiterosebuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t STAND white ENTITLEMENT.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BubbaBill you are DONE. Take your southerntiredracemongeringmaceatingwhiteass HOME and call Lewinsky if you want to be appeased.  Obama ain&#039;t gettin on his knees and he ain&#039;t coming with his hat in his head either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t STAND white ENTITLEMENT.</p>
<p>BubbaBill you are DONE. Take your southerntiredracemongeringmaceatingwhiteass HOME and call Lewinsky if you want to be appeased.  Obama ain&#39;t gettin on his knees and he ain&#39;t coming with his hat in his head either.</p>
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