Comments on: Even in A “Christian” Debate, McCain Has To Cheat http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/ A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:31:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: questioning http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-162447 questioning Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:48:29 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-162447 Problem is one of his solutions has been done. Paying women to keep having babies isn't the answer either. That's what happened with welfare. I know unwed mothers get 1 year of free, all expenses, medical needs for the child. Years ago when unwed mothers were on welfare they found out the more children they had the more $$ they could get from welfare. Well that stopped and they had to go to work instead of having more babies to stay home and have rent paid by the gov't. I could see helping the pregnant women with expenses for the child but why should they get to stay home all day while everyone else has to work to keep a roof over their heads. I would put a limit to how many children they support and until the child goes into school or pre school at the very least. Why aren't they given free medical prenatal care? and like heartsandflowers said they aren't being provided for. Also why aren't the so called fathers participating in paying for the care of the child? Giving them money to stay home all day isn't the answer either. Problem is one of his solutions has been done. Paying women to keep having babies isn't the answer either. That's what happened with welfare. I know unwed mothers get 1 year of free, all expenses, medical needs for the child. Years ago when unwed mothers were on welfare they found out the more children they had the more $$ they could get from welfare. Well that stopped and they had to go to work instead of having more babies to stay home and have rent paid by the gov't. I could see helping the pregnant women with expenses for the child but why should they get to stay home all day while everyone else has to work to keep a roof over their heads. I would put a limit to how many children they support and until the child goes into school or pre school at the very least. Why aren't they given free medical prenatal care? and like heartsandflowers said they aren't being provided for. Also why aren't the so called fathers participating in paying for the care of the child? Giving them money to stay home all day isn't the answer either.

]]> By: questioning http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-49508 questioning Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:48:29 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-49508 Problem is one of his solutions has been done. Paying women to keep having babies isn't the answer either. That's what happened with welfare. I know unwed mothers get 1 year of free, all expenses, medical needs for the child. Years ago when unwed mothers were on welfare they found out the more children they had the more $$ they could get from welfare. Well that stopped and they had to go to work instead of having more babies to stay home and have rent paid by the gov't. I could see helping the pregnant women with expenses for the child but why should they get to stay home all day while everyone else has to work to keep a roof over their heads. I would put a limit to how many children they support and until the child goes into school or pre school at the very least. Why aren't they given free medical prenatal care? and like heartsandflowers said they aren't being provided for. Also why aren't the so called fathers participating in paying for the care of the child? Giving them money to stay home all day isn't the answer either. Problem is one of his solutions has been done. Paying women to keep having babies isn't the answer either. That's what happened with welfare. I know unwed mothers get 1 year of free, all expenses, medical needs for the child. Years ago when unwed mothers were on welfare they found out the more children they had the more $$ they could get from welfare. Well that stopped and they had to go to work instead of having more babies to stay home and have rent paid by the gov't. I could see helping the pregnant women with expenses for the child but why should they get to stay home all day while everyone else has to work to keep a roof over their heads. I would put a limit to how many children they support and until the child goes into school or pre school at the very least. Why aren't they given free medical prenatal care? and like heartsandflowers said they aren't being provided for. Also why aren't the so called fathers participating in paying for the care of the child? Giving them money to stay home all day isn't the answer either.

]]> By: Miranda http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27134 Miranda Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:22:23 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27134 I'm pretty sure they put McCain into a cone of silence every night right now. I'm pretty sure they put McCain into a cone of silence every night right now.

]]> By: Pat http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27133 Pat Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:13:13 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27133 Let me understand this. Obama did badly on Saturday night not because he is a phoney but because McCain was secretly listening. I guess if Obama is electd president we need to put McCain in a cone of silence for 4 or 8 years so Obama can have a successful presidency? Let me understand this. Obama did badly on Saturday night not because he is a phoney but because McCain was secretly listening. I guess if Obama is electd president we need to put McCain in a cone of silence for 4 or 8 years so Obama can have a successful presidency?

]]> By: Sharon http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27136 Sharon Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:31:40 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27136 But only McCain got to hear his opponents answers before he gave his own. But only McCain got to hear his opponents answers before he gave his own.

]]> By: B-Serious http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27137 B-Serious Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:31:45 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27137 Hey, D.<br><br>I read the article and I still have my doubts. Particularly with this part:<br><br><i>Warren provided McCain and Obama with the four subject areas, Ross said -- leadership, stewardship, worldview and international compassion -- and provided them a sense of the themes he would ask about, including topics such as energy and taxes.</i><br><br>That's not the same as knowing what questions are going to be asked. It's kinda like being told the SATs will test verbal, math and reading comprehension. That's totally different than knowing the specific questions and when/where/how those questions will be asked. So the WaPo title is a little misleading.<br><br>Sorry, but it still smells fishy to me. Hey, D.

I read the article and I still have my doubts. Particularly with this part:

Warren provided McCain and Obama with the four subject areas, Ross said — leadership, stewardship, worldview and international compassion — and provided them a sense of the themes he would ask about, including topics such as energy and taxes.

That's not the same as knowing what questions are going to be asked. It's kinda like being told the SATs will test verbal, math and reading comprehension. That's totally different than knowing the specific questions and when/where/how those questions will be asked. So the WaPo title is a little misleading.

Sorry, but it still smells fishy to me.

]]> By: D. http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27135 D. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:06:35 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27135 <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/18/AR2008081802434.html">Candidates Got Advance Look at Questions</a><br><br><i>Spokesman A. Larry Ross said the candidates had agreed that McCain would not listen to Obama's interview, which came first by a coin-flip agreement. But Ross said Warren gave them both a sense of what to expect. <br><br>Warren provided McCain and Obama with the four subject areas, Ross said -- leadership, stewardship, worldview and international compassion -- and provided them a sense of the themes he would ask about, including topics such as energy and taxes. <br><br>He also offered three examples of questions he planned to ask: What is your greatest moral failure? What is America's greatest moral failure? Who are the three people you rely on for wise advice? <br><br>"He wanted to give them an idea of where he wanted to go with this," Ross said in an interview.</i><br><br>Can this be put to rest now.....or is the next argument over who got more information out of Warren? Candidates Got Advance Look at Questions

Spokesman A. Larry Ross said the candidates had agreed that McCain would not listen to Obama's interview, which came first by a coin-flip agreement. But Ross said Warren gave them both a sense of what to expect.

Warren provided McCain and Obama with the four subject areas, Ross said — leadership, stewardship, worldview and international compassion — and provided them a sense of the themes he would ask about, including topics such as energy and taxes.

He also offered three examples of questions he planned to ask: What is your greatest moral failure? What is America's greatest moral failure? Who are the three people you rely on for wise advice?

“He wanted to give them an idea of where he wanted to go with this,” Ross said in an interview.

Can this be put to rest now…..or is the next argument over who got more information out of Warren?

]]> By: Sepia http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27179 Sepia Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:04:42 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27179 You make a good point about the coin toss, Truth. Why do it behind close doors? And who's to say that a coin toss really took place. This "faith forum" has all kinds of shady to it.<br><br><b>Then he said McCain teared up 3 times when he was answering.</b><br><br>And it was a bold face LIE! McCain didn't tear up at all! Him saying that exposed what this forum was really about. <br><br>I'm thoroughly disgusted. You make a good point about the coin toss, Truth. Why do it behind close doors? And who's to say that a coin toss really took place. This “faith forum” has all kinds of shady to it.

Then he said McCain teared up 3 times when he was answering.

And it was a bold face LIE! McCain didn't tear up at all! Him saying that exposed what this forum was really about.

I'm thoroughly disgusted.

]]> By: Sepia http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27138 Sepia Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:55:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27138 The coverage of the "cone of silence" yesterday only focused on McCain being late to the forum, but why didn't the media focuse on his answers to the questions as well? You have to put BOTH together -- like the blogosphere has -- to show that McCain got those questions beforehand. He even answered a question BEFORE it was ever asked, but the media chose to ignore that, instead trying to paint bloggers and Obama supporters as a bunch of whiners who were pissed because "McCain did better" at the forum. And what about McCain LYING about the cross in the dirt story? *SMH*<br><br>The Democratic Strategist that appeared on Hardball last night pissed me off, trying to poo-poo McCain's late arrival to the forum, as well as subtly making fun of the blogosphere for pointing it out. The coverage of the “cone of silence” yesterday only focused on McCain being late to the forum, but why didn't the media focuse on his answers to the questions as well? You have to put BOTH together — like the blogosphere has — to show that McCain got those questions beforehand. He even answered a question BEFORE it was ever asked, but the media chose to ignore that, instead trying to paint bloggers and Obama supporters as a bunch of whiners who were pissed because “McCain did better” at the forum. And what about McCain LYING about the cross in the dirt story? *SMH*

The Democratic Strategist that appeared on Hardball last night pissed me off, trying to poo-poo McCain's late arrival to the forum, as well as subtly making fun of the blogosphere for pointing it out.

]]> By: draftage. http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27139 draftage. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:34:10 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27139 Tell Me The Truth<br>When Does Obama reverse his opinion on the draft? PARKERSBURG, W.Va. (AP) — Vice presidential candidate John Edwards promised a West Virginia mother on Wednesday that if the Democratic ticket is elected in November the military draft would not be revived.<br>During a question-and-answer session, the mother of a 23-year-old who recently graduated from West Virginia University asked Edwards whether the draft would be reinstated. <br><br>“There will be no draft when John Kerry is president,” Edwards said, a statement that drew a standing ovat<br>on top of WSWS : News & Analysis : North America<br><br>Democratic Congressman reintroduces bill for military draft in US<br>By Joe Kay<br>12 January 2007<br><br>Charles Rangel, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, reintroduced a bill on Thursday that would institute a military draft for all legal residents of the United States between the ages of 18 and 42. Tell Me The Truth
When Does Obama reverse his opinion on the draft? PARKERSBURG, W.Va. (AP) — Vice presidential candidate John Edwards promised a West Virginia mother on Wednesday that if the Democratic ticket is elected in November the military draft would not be revived.
During a question-and-answer session, the mother of a 23-year-old who recently graduated from West Virginia University asked Edwards whether the draft would be reinstated.

“There will be no draft when John Kerry is president,” Edwards said, a statement that drew a standing ovat
on top of WSWS : News & Analysis : North America

Democratic Congressman reintroduces bill for military draft in US
By Joe Kay
12 January 2007

Charles Rangel, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, reintroduced a bill on Thursday that would institute a military draft for all legal residents of the United States between the ages of 18 and 42.

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27174 TruthSeeker Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:42:24 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27174 He's been singing that song since Sanchez interviewed him. He's been catching hell all day, no doubt. He actually said he'd been talking about it all day. I am sure that people in his faith understand basic fairness and were disappointed in how it was handled.<br><br>He can't run a mulit-million dollar organization and be that naive not to understand that it was dishonest. He's full of shit. He's been singing that song since Sanchez interviewed him. He's been catching hell all day, no doubt. He actually said he'd been talking about it all day. I am sure that people in his faith understand basic fairness and were disappointed in how it was handled.

He can't run a mulit-million dollar organization and be that naive not to understand that it was dishonest. He's full of shit.

]]> By: msmartin http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27288 msmartin Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:40:24 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27288 "McCain would have the same level of comfort with his own base?"<br><br>Believe it or not - yes. To prevent the usual heming and hawing and outbursts of facial anger. And are they really his base? An adulterer, liar and cheat married to a lying, cheating drug addict. “McCain would have the same level of comfort with his own base?”

Believe it or not – yes. To prevent the usual heming and hawing and outbursts of facial anger. And are they really his base? An adulterer, liar and cheat married to a lying, cheating drug addict.

]]> By: msmartin http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27283 msmartin Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:36:21 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27283 I agree. He didn't provide his spiritual (I don't think he has any), rather he provided the more "crowd pleasing" and in his opinion "better answer". Pure pandering. I agree. He didn't provide his spiritual (I don't think he has any), rather he provided the more “crowd pleasing” and in his opinion “better answer”. Pure pandering.

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27151 TruthSeeker Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:34:50 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27151 Evangelicals won't get it....<br><br>The whole hour he was accusing them of greed, lack of empathy, lack of humility, selfishness, hypocrisy....but their heads are too far up their asses to get it.<br><br>Rick Warren, the 25 million book sale man is wondering what "rich" is. He is worried about the dead fetuses while lamenting the number of live orphans who languish. Obama redirected him to the fact that the women who had those children needed support in order to keep their kids. PRick wasn't tryin' to hear about that. Evangelicals won't get it….

The whole hour he was accusing them of greed, lack of empathy, lack of humility, selfishness, hypocrisy….but their heads are too far up their asses to get it.

Rick Warren, the 25 million book sale man is wondering what “rich” is. He is worried about the dead fetuses while lamenting the number of live orphans who languish. Obama redirected him to the fact that the women who had those children needed support in order to keep their kids. PRick wasn't tryin' to hear about that.

]]> By: msmartin http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27173 msmartin Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:23:58 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27173 I thought the same thing when I heard him say that. He sured looked nervous in the beginning. I would bet money he's lying.<br><br>And about McCain's adopted daughter, hasn't Cindy said that she brought him home a daughter? Yet he said something different. I thought the same thing when I heard him say that. He sured looked nervous in the beginning. I would bet money he's lying.

And about McCain's adopted daughter, hasn't Cindy said that she brought him home a daughter? Yet he said something different.

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27176 TruthSeeker Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:21:05 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27176 hehe...<br><br>If you don't see me posting for a while, you'll know they threw my ass in jail for vandalism. ;-) hehe…

If you don't see me posting for a while, you'll know they threw my ass in jail for vandalism. ;-)

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27141 TruthSeeker Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:10:38 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27141 Compulsive liar. Compulsive liar.

]]> By: Miranda http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27175 Miranda Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:03:01 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27175 ________________________"I'm going to rip out the last pages of every one I can find"__________________*tears*__LMAO ________________________”I'm going to rip out the last pages of every one I can find”__________________*tears*__LMAO

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27172 TruthSeeker Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:54:12 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27172 Does Rick Warren think he's slick? He said the Secret Service would have reported if McCain had listened to the broadcast. Is he out of his mind?<br><br>I worked in the book Industry when that fucker's books came out; they were like an infestation. Next time I go to the library, I'm going to rip out the last pages of every one I can find.<br><br>Larry King needs to go. Does Rick Warren think he's slick? He said the Secret Service would have reported if McCain had listened to the broadcast. Is he out of his mind?

I worked in the book Industry when that fucker's books came out; they were like an infestation. Next time I go to the library, I'm going to rip out the last pages of every one I can find.

Larry King needs to go.

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/08/even-in-a-christian-debate-mccain-has-to-cheat/comment-page-4/#comment-27177 TruthSeeker Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:49:00 +0000 http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/?p=1856#comment-27177 He misled his audience. At the time he talked about a coin toss, I doubt anyone believed that it had occurred days before, without the participation of the candidates. Why perform a coin toss at all, why not choose arbitrarily? Things like coin tosses are done for the APPEARANCE of fairness. To do one in secret without participation of both parties defeats the purpose. He misled his audience. At the time he talked about a coin toss, I doubt anyone believed that it had occurred days before, without the participation of the candidates. Why perform a coin toss at all, why not choose arbitrarily? Things like coin tosses are done for the APPEARANCE of fairness. To do one in secret without participation of both parties defeats the purpose.

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