Jack & Jill Politics

whiterosebuddy: CO-SIGNING ON ALL POINTS!!! WELL SAID!!!!! :>) :>)

The Greek-temple stage setting for Barack Obama's acceptance speech, tomorrow is the focus of some of the news anchors/pundits, today. They are say ing Obama is setting himself up as some sort of "Greek God." Of course, any reasonable person would see the absurdity of what they are saying. Clearly, ancient Greece was birthplace of Democracy (Democratic Party) and the stage setting is a representation of that, as well as replica of a forum where all (Gr.) people were able to give voice and be heard.

Or...if we were cynical we could say that Obama is going to talk about America being at the crossroads of demiss ...like the fall fo the Roman empire.

That speech Hillary gave last night was a rousing endorsement of Obama however Schweitzer's speech embraced Obama and that is what the Clintons have yet to do.

I am praying that Bill comes out tonight and denounces and unequivocally rejects the most damning indictment Hilary made during the primaries when she endorsed the opposing party nominee, McCain over Obama by saying ..she had experience, mcCain had experience and all Obama had was a speech he gave in 02.

The Clintons owe the Democrati party and it is time to pay up after we stood behind Bill when he disgraced the office of the Presidency. We have paid dearly for that, with the last 8 years of republican rule because Bush was going to 'bring honor back' to the White House.

I need Clinton to talk about how Obama has the judgment to lead and the vision to move American back on course.

I want him to do so, enthusiastically, effusively and unabashedly.

Only THAt will bring us the white house as it is the one thing that Hill supporters and GOP keep saying. It is complete hypocrisy coming from Hill supporters given she has no individual political accomplishments to her name as an elected official.
She was truly the affirmative action candidate.

I was much taken aback by her Harriet Tubman reference as well. I thought it was a very divisive subliminal remark to white woman. Anyone who knows history understood that the suffragettes split from the aboltionists when black men were given the right to vote. Seeing as how it was the anniversary of the womens right to vote I thought she was sending out the message that white women should not vote for Obama, because she failed to tell them he had the judgement to lead. I thought her 'keep on going' was for her supporters to wait until 2012 when they would be able to elect a white female FIRSt as opposed to a black man obtaining the Presidency before white woman.

I thought blackfolks who did not know history would see this as her effort to assuage the racial polarization she and Bill created. Her way of asserting that theyw ere not racists even though they stooped to using racemongering as a tactic to win without regard for the historical and subsequent longterm consequences of stirring up all that racial hatred and animosity. And some blackfolks might just forgive that. I do not.

As a black female I saw her remarks as coldly calculated and shrewedly manipulative. She retained her political status by endorsing Obama but she was also telling her whitesisterHOOD that they were entitled on the basis of race to be first this time and to wait until 2012 for her.

Bill Clinton does not even plan to be at Obama's acceptance speech.

To me..actions speak louder than words.

I am unlike the millions who are swayed by words vs. deeds.

The Clintons actions to date are NOT fully behind Obama as the candidate.
Bill Clinton has a lot of nerve trying to castigate Obama for 'diminishing' his Presdency when he himself disgrace his own legacy. What a bunch of white entitlement crap. Bill Clinton owes the Democratic party and it is time to PAY!!

There two points in the Media Matters article that I want to address:


-Fact: Many in the press have portrayed Clinton's planned convention address, as well as the fact that her name is being placed into nomination, as an unprecedented, heavy-handed power grab.

Fact: It's not. In years past, Democratic candidates who won lots of primaries and accumulated hundreds of delegates (sorry, Howard Dean and Bill Bradley) have always been allowed to address the convention and very often place their name into nomination. It's the norm. It's expected. It's a formality.

-Based on previous conventions, if a candidate had accumulated as many delegates and votes as Clinton did during the primaries and then did not have her name placed into nomination, that would represent a radical departure from the convention norm.


I thought that it had been 16 years since a Democratic candidate who lost in the primary put their name in for nomination at the convention? It happened in 1992 and -- ironically -- the Clintons were pissed off about it.

Can someone help me out here?

It has been 16 years...it did not happen under Gore and Kerry..but it did happen with Dukais, Carter, and Clinton.

JesseJackson gave a one hour long speech and Dukakis did not call and tell him his decision on the VP either, despite Jesse having the second highest number of votes.

Bill Clinton was inDEED pissed off at Jerry Brown putting his name up for roll call.

Kennedy would not embrace Carter at that convention and that is what is said to have led to Carter not being re-elected...Democratic dissension and a divided party could not get behind the nominee and we lost the election to Regan.

What is unprecedented is for a Democrat to smear the party nominee by endorsing the opposing party's candidacy. never in the history of democratic primaries has that occurred. It took Hillary clinton to committ that vile heinous act.

She should have been kicked out of the party when she did that. But then her and Bill and McCain see Obama as their foe and Hillary did call McCain 'my friend' last night even if she also said 'no way, no how, no McCain" what she failed to say was that she believed Obama was ready to lead.

That is the sticky point with her supporters, over 60 voters and all the republicans are saying...even with Hillary in their ads saying it.

What made Hillarys actions particularly egregious is that her character assaults on Obama all came AFTER she had lost the nomination. Which happened by the end of February. hillary never once lead in delegates and by the end of February after Obama's 12 consecutive victories there was no mathematically possible way for Hillary to accrue the delegates needed to win the nomination. Her camp knew that.

What did they do? HRC loaned her campaign money and they went on the rampage, throwing the kitchen sink at Obama in a fit of rage and spite and hate the likes of which have never been seen before on the national political stage. Her goal was 'if I can't have the nomination, Obama won't win the WH even if he does get the nomination' because she was hellbent on tearing him down. And that is what her and Bill preceeded to do. Going in to rural communities and stirring up 'her base' the whiteworkingclass.

So Hillary alone is unique in democratic presidential primaries for not only not conceding when she no longer could win, but in also taking 4 more months to bash and destroy what was inDEED the party nominee all for her own selfish ambitions.

She HAD to give a ringing endorsement..she had to say she supports Obama effusively but gosh darn it...her and Bill's actions continue to show they do not support the nominee.

Their henchmen are out there carrying 'leaks' to the press every chance they can it.

It is not coincidental that all those 'leaks' carry one consistent message...obama can't win and Hillary will run in 2012.

Puhleeeeze.

Like many others, I've also turned to C-SPAN. The rest of the media--even MSNBC--just won't let go of Hillary and the Hillaristas. It's pathetic.

The media coverage of the convention has been reprehensible. Its non stop "man bites dog" stories and pundits talking over speeches. Thank God for C-Span.

Jill: Steven Benen - formerly of The Carpet Bagger Report, says the same thing!!! :>)

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

His observation, made by talking to the delegates, is that the media are hyping the friction.

Thanks for sharing this link!

cheryl aka Jill tubman:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for "bringing it" to your JJP family!!!! :>)

Your coverage has been OUTSTANDING!!!! Whoo!!! Hoo!!!

LOVE YA!!!! :>) :>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEUKW99ohuw

ENJOY!!! :>) :>)

I use to think the Hillary fanatics and PUMA were disgruntle racist democrats. Now I thinking that this is Karl Rove's doing. Remember when Rush "Crackhead" Limbaugh was telling Republicans to vote HRC during the democratic primary. Me thinks that Karl Rove and company is trying to appeal to the "inadequate black man" crowd by stoking their racism residing in their white female priviledge id. The Rove faction are laying hard on the fault lines of race, gender, and class divisions in the Democratic Party. One of the PUMA founders Darraugh Murphy contribute $500 to the McCain during his presidential bid in 2000. She admitted this on a recent Hardball segment hosted by David Shuster.

If my thoery is correct this what I think is going on. Obama knows that these PUMA/Hillary fanatics are Republican operatives. Hillary knows it . All the major player knows this. Because Hillary divisive campaign created this mess it is up to her to clean it up.

You might asked, why should she clean it up? Because her political career and the Clinton legacy is on the line (which includes Chelsea). That is the way to thwart HRC's ambition (i.e. Democratic Leadership Council -the Republican wing of the Democratic party) and if enough "Hillary Lovers" "defect" from the Democratic Party and vote for McCain then Hillary will be eternally blamed and Bill's legacy will eternally be tarnished. This also means that the DLC ideology that held the democratic party hostage for the 20 odd years will once and for all loose it's grip.

I believe (or maybe wishful thinking) think that there is an internal fight between the tradition democrats of the Roosevelt New Deal (represented by the Ted Kennedy's) and the Reagan Democrats (represented by the Bill Clintons.) and the New Dealist want their party back. And one of the ways of getting it back is to hold the Clintons hostage.

Just my thoery

Thanks for sharing those articles and letting us know what's really going on. Does anyone else have the DNC 08 Channel? I discovered it yesterday on Dish Network here Los Angeles and it's so refreshing. It's all convention: no commentary, no commercials. You can actually watch what's happening for yourself and come to your own conclusions. I switched the channel to CNN immediately following Michelle Obama's speech yesterday and Hillary's speech tonight and wondered if these "experts" were watching the same convention.

This is great info! Thanks for sharing

CNN is some shit! It's time that Roland Martin call his colleagues on their obvious attempt to try to make news rather than covering it. There new narrative is 'buyer's remoarse.' They gave a corny ass, melo-dramatic black Hillary delegate 5 minutes to hate on Senator Obama. This is just unbelievable!

Forget the Clinton News Network, someone oughta fire Chris Matthews straight up. Even Keith Olbermann was embarrassed to hear him squawk about Hillary-Hillary-Hillary getting dissed and dismissed by the Obama campaign and how much stress and bitterness is between the two (or three if you count Bill). I am so over Tweety, seriously!

I can't lie; she did her thang! She was not only classy and gracious, but she gave Senator Obama and this Campaign a gift: a clear message and direction that has soarly been missing from this Convention and Campaign AND the best ready made resonse ad to McCain's lame ads that they could have ever wished for. No way, Now how, No McCain!

Clinton sold it last night -- agreed.

The media want a conflict story so every blink from Hillary is analyzed to measure the quality and intensity of her support for Obama.

Thank you. No joke. It's hideous the way they keep creating this conflict. I finally switched to C-Span because of the unrelenting negativity of the gasbags.

And the speech ~ magnificent. She did herself proud and did good for Obama. Happy.

After hearing Hillary speak, I feel much better. I feel momentum shifting back in the right direction...but we will have to see how Joe does tomorrow...following Bill.

I was feelin that speech. Thanks Hillary!

Thanks Jill for linking to that piece. The media is really doing a # on the Party.

Thanks for the 4-1-1 Jill. You're always on point.

Thank you so much for being there and telling us what's really going on. From the way the networks are reporting this, you'd think white female Hillary supporters are going at Barack supporters with weapons or something. Glad to know that's not how it's actually going down.

Los Angelista: Co-signing! :>) :>)

They need to have a story to keep people interested. Just like the myth that this race is neck and neck... I think Barack should win comfortably... Not a blowout, but comfortable.

I agree that the race is not as close as the media would have the American people believe. The media and Republicans are trying their darnedest to control the outcome.